I just reread Louder Than Words, which I had first read five years ago, and find that there is little information about the MMR he got. I had mistakenly remembered it as having more. He apparently got mercury-containing vaccines when he was small, since mercury chelation was suggested by a DAN doctor. I'm going to read Mother Warriors and hope to glean more information on Evan's symptoms, the time of their appearance, and their relationship to the vaccines he got. His symptoms of autism, not recognized for what they were until after his horrific ongoing seizures started Jenny on the search for answers, were almost identical to those of my daughter, starting when he was very small. Against the L-K hypothesis is his never having developed much language at the time the seizures started at 2 and a half, since L-K seems to depend on a loss of acquired language. One of the first doctors to examine him diagnosed epilepsy, and Jenny's mom sent her information about epilepsy, but Jenny never believed it and it seems to have been discarded as a diagnosis.

Twyla,

It is, indeed, speculation that is being presented as fact.

One Daniel Rubin made this claim. He never examined Evan, and he never saw Evan's medical records. And yet, his armchair diagnosis somehow trumps the diagnosis of the doctors who did examine Evan.

And then, a certain clueless and infinitely moronic bint keeps perpetuating this falsehood, repeating that Jenny said that Evan does not have Autism, but LKS.

This is an outright lie. Jenny has NEVER said that he has LKS. They use a cherry-picked and out of context quote from Jenny as proof. But, in the quote, she says that some of his symptoms are *similar* to LKS.

So are most symptoms of Autism.

The same clueless and moronic bint keeps saying that Jenny cured Evan. Jenny has NEVER said that Evan is cured. She says that Evan is *recovered*. But, the clueless bint (who claims she is a "nurse") is utterly incapable of understanding the difference between cure and recover. She has been soundly schooled on this, yet keeps repeating this lie.

Once again, perpetuating lies and misinformation. Doesn't Orac say that only Anti-vaxxers do that?

Captain -
Please try harder not to be idiotic.

To Cia Parker, I much appreciate the work that you are doing, andwould like to be in touch with you to share ideas/research , etc. Would you take my email through AOA ? Dont be discouraged if some people dont heed your message. there are a variety of reasons. Some have been so brain washed into thinking that doctors know everything, the public health people care about each and every human being, and the pharma industry would never market a bad product because they are terrified of being sued....that they will not listen until their own child has been injured. Though I would like to make a good list of research papers, such as you are collecting- I dont think it has much impact on most people. And yet, I cant explain it entirely- but the movement is growing steadily. I also suggest that you take a look at the work done on dental mercury causing a variety of medical problems- which has been beautifully compiled by interested people. You could Google on mercury+ Alzheimers , for example. I find it useful to campaign against both vaccines with mercury and mercury in adults. Hey- There are a lot of older adults out there, looking forward and wondering if they are going to develop Alzheimers - and they also have kids and grandkids. However- This is interesting- In India I do not talk about Alzheimers to the Indians who dont eat fish. There are millions and millions of people in India who never eat a bite of fish in their life, Never take flu vaccines and Never (or rarely) have dental work with mercury. And you just cannot find Alzheimers among these people (or to be accurate, probably I should say "rarely" . For sure, in 45 years of living in India , and meeting lots of people through running a school- I have never heard of anyone in this category with Alzheimers.But AD is found among Indians who eat fish. Sorry all, if Im getting off topic here.

Please provide the source that Jenny's son Evan had/has Landau Kleffner and not an autism diagnosis?

I have seen articles refer to this but not provide a citation. This is definitely different than her books on her experiences.

"What do Dr. Bernadine Healy, Don Imus, Donald Trump, Doug Flutie, Gary Cole, Ed Asner, Charlie Sheen, Holly Robinson Peet, Deirdre Imus, Bob Wright, Aidan Quinn, Andrew Wakefield, and Jenny McCarthy all have in common?"

You left out Rob Schneider. Surely the fact that he believes that vaccines cause autism means that it must be true?

I mean when he signed on to the anti-vaccine movement, I thought to myself "golly, he is such an intellect, and I'm sure he has studied the issue in great depth. And, after all, he has the background to sift through and understand the vast scientific literature on vaccines" and that was the moment I became convinced that vaccines are in fact EVIL INCARNATE.

I could be convinced otherwise, perhaps if Pee Wee Hermon came out Pro-Vaccine. That would probably do it.

Captain.

Thanks, Twyla, I really have been anxious about not knowing if Jenny no longer thought Evan had autism, but "just" Landau-Kleffner triggered by the MMR which looked just like autism. All the pharma sharks are saying that she has admitted Evan never had autism, and that since he is now recovered, that "proves" he didn't have autism, since we all "know" that recovery is impossible.

Great story, JB! Good job at pointing out the hypocrisy.

Meanwhile, vaccine research fraudster Poul Thorsen still sits atop the Office of the Inspector General's Most Wanted List....

Watching the new documentary "TWA Flight 800" yesterday, I was struck by NTSB official David Mayer explaining why none of the hundreds of independent eyewitnesses to the crash would be called to testify. It's because they can't be believed, don'cha know. Just like the parents of vaccine-injured children can't be believed. Same arguments.

It's a fascinating look at media manipulation and propaganda. You can watch it at epixhd.com, if you're interested.

I've never known Angus short of words either.

Will try again...

Hope things are well with you and yours JB.

Perhaps Jenny McCarthy could set up a "Jenny's List" in each and every state in the USA for locating a pediatrician.

Obviously, being on the list would provide ...much lower Autism rates...soon become the "standard of excellence" required.

You are right JB just having the autism debate in the news causes problems for Pharma & Co. which is why they have to stop Jenny because they will never know with what guest or what day she will mention the vaccines = autism facts and unleash nightmarish problems for them.

- Welcome the battles, my friends - With each new battle more Americans become educated and curious about vaccines and autism. So, no matter what transpires, we always win.

The NYT have a column 'Just the Facts — No ‘False Balance’ Wanted Here' but could not accept the baldest facts and would not post this:

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/just-the-facts-no-false-balance-wanted-here/

'But the trouble is that vaccines do cause autism. After the Hannah Poling case Julie Gerberding, at the time head of the CDC but now of Merck's vaccine division was forced to admit:

'“….. if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it [vaccination] can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.”.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/29/hcsg.01.html

'While Vaccine Injury Compensation Program officials told Sharyl Attkisson:

'"The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20016356-10391695.html

'Vaccines cause autism and all the pompous rhetoric in the world will not change it. Jenny is not wrong.'

Thank you, J.B.! I was feeling very depressed and discouraged. I have put up dozens of posts in the last few days about my daughter reacting to the hep-B vax at birth with encephalitis and to the DTaP booster at 18 months with having her only two words erased, and being diagnosed with autism two months later. Did you see how they all ganged up on Kelly on The Atlantic's piece? Probably twenty of them, all insulting her for daring to ask for a civil conversation respecting diverse points of view. They have called out dozens of their shills to do battle, and it is very disheartening to see strings of dozens of their comments, one after another, proclaiming that the science has proven that vaccines never, ever do anyone any harm. I finally resigned myself to just putting in one of my comments in the middle of each string. I have made reference to the hundreds of scientific, peer-reviewed studies published in journals like the Lancet and the JAMA, the hundreds of studies in the lists of works cited in Neil Miller's books, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, The Age of Autism, Evidence of Harm, Callous Disregard, Raising a Vaccine-Free Child, Just a Little Prick, and From One Prick to Another. The tens of thousands of parental reports filed with the NAERVS. I said this blog and The Refusers post links to new studies proving the ways in which vaccines do their damage, several every month. I hope to give people the phrases they need to google to access the truth. The reasons for vaccine damage: the inflammation expected and necessary to produce antibodies often affects the brain (encephalitic brain damage), vaccins skew immune response from appropriate development toward a Th-1 response to an inappropriate preference for an autoimmune Th-2 response, the vaccine ingredients like mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, antifreeze, neomycin, and animal and human proteins in the culture media, all highly antigenic and allergy-provoking, the peanut oil used as an adjuvant sensitizing to peanut protein and causing sometimes fatal peanut allergies. Just a disaster, and all in the name of possibly sometimes preventing for an unknown length of time usually mild or very rare diseases.

Sorry, I'm really upset, and have been posting all week now on this. I need to know: is it true that Jenny is now saying that Evan didn't ever have autism? I found one article that included an interview with her which said it was really a genetic syndrome (Landau-Kleffner), not autism. I read Louder than Words, and know that the reaction was severe and immediate. It was clearly triggered by the vaccine even if it started out as the potential for a genetic disease. But the article didn't actually say that Jenny had disavowed the autism. Has she?

Please, everybody, please join the fray. I'm afraid that many people will see this as, as J.B. said, the consensus of the intelligent and educated, that vaccines are necessary to combat deadly threats like measles and pertussis (not!), and that they do not do the harm that many stupid, malicious people charge them with.