Poul Thorsen Called Industry “Scumbag” Scientist and Mercury Shill
Last week Dr. Coleen Boyle, director of the U.S. CDC National Center on Birth Defects and Development Disabilities, testified before Congress in regard to a probe into the CDC’s dismal response to the Autism epidemic in this country. In stark contrast to this epidemic, Dr. Boyle defended the CDC’s actions of both recommending as well as funding the injection of flu vaccines with the preservative Thimerosal for injection into the bodies of children and pregnant women (Federal Vaccine For Children Program) and (CDC List of Vaccines for Children Program with Thimerosal). This hopeless fact that the CDC still recommends this as safe was defended by elusive references to studies by industry scientists.
Upon questioning by US Representative Bill Posey in regard to an industry scientist Poul Thorsen, who is still on the FBI wanted list for defrauding the CDC for over a million dollars, Mr. Posey declared, “This guy is a humongous scum bag and one of the most wanted men on earth.” Then Mr. Posey asked why the CDC relied on the studies by him. Dr. Boyle responded that there were only two studies on autism with this indicted scientist listed as contributing author. When asked why multi-dose vials of flu vaccine still contain Thimerosal, Dr. Boyle responded, “I can provide you with that information [later].” When asked how many multi-dose vials of the flu vaccine still contain Thimerosal, Dr. Boyle replied in the same way.
So how many studies were published by this humongous scum bag and how many multi-dose shots of flu vaccine are there?
According to this CDC web site, during 2012-2013 approximately 135 million doses of flu vaccine will be distributed in the United States (CDC). From this website one can determine that approximately 72 million doses contain Thimerosal--each with mercury equal to one half cup of D009 mercury hazardous waste (half cup of D009) .
Since 2002 there were twenty one autism studies published by P.Thorsen--four of which were published since the April 13, 2011 federal indictment of this humongous scum bag. Apparently some journals could care less about the indictment and continue to publish papers by this corrupt industry scientist. Another one came out just last month.
So like the corrupt industry scientists of the past who all concluded that tobacco was safe, there seem to be industry scientists today who conclude that mercury, which is proven to kill brain cells, is safe to inject into children and pregnant women in the form of Thimerosal vaccine preservative.
Please contact your US Senators and Representatives and
demand a ban on mercury in all vaccines.
Also demand that our federal agencies avoid industry scientists and
actually protect our children from vaccine injury. Our children deserve better.
Jim Thompson is a registered professional engineer. He and his wife
Susan live and work in rural South Dakota. Their first granddaughter,
Taylor Haug, was diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, epilepsy,
verbal apraxia, motor disorder, and sensory integration disorder. Her
loving memory has influenced his family’s decision to help protect
children from vaccine injuries.
Christina Waldman, thank you.
Here is another link showing four publications with Poul Thorsen as co-author in 2013. See http://www.torna.do/s/Thorsen-P/ . The address listed in a manuscript received on May 14, 2012 for Poul Thorsen is Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Lillebaelt Hospital, Kolding, Denmark.
Here again is the link, on the U.S. Department of Office of Inspector General web site, to report information on the whereabouts of Poul Thorsen:
https://forms.oig.hhs.gov/hotline/fugitive-form.aspx
Posted by: Jim Thompson | May 16, 2013 at 08:12 AM
I found two lists of Poul Thorsen's publications. http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/1417404/Poul_Thorsen (1998-2013) and http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/1417405/Poul_Thorsen (2006-2009)
These articles with him as co-author were published in 2012 and 2013 (unless it's another Poul Thorsen):
2013: Girija Natarajan; Diana Schendel; Seetha Shankaran; Kristin Skogstrand; Barbara J Stoll; Poul Thorsen; Jon E Tyson; Abhik Das; Richard A Ehrenkranz; Ronald N Goldberg; Rosemary D Higgins; David M Hougaard; Scott A McDonald; Waldemar A Carlo
Association between blood spot transforming growth factor-β and patent ductus arteriosus in extremely low-birth weight infants.
Pediatric cardiology 2013;34(1):149-54.
2012: M Underbjerg; T Wimberley; C Sværke; Poul Thorsen; L Bakketeig; Jakob Grove; U S Kesmodel; T R Kilburn; Nils Inge Landrø; E L Mortensen
The effects of low to moderate alcohol consumption and binge drinking in early pregnancy on selective and sustained attention in 5-year-old children.
BJOG : an international journal of obstetrics and gynaecology 2012;119(10):1211-21.
2012: Beena Sood; Barbara J Stoll; Poul Thorsen; Jon E Tyson; Ira Adams-Chapman; Danny K Benjamin; Waldemar A Carlo; Abhik Das; Richard A Ehrenkranz; Ronald N Goldberg; Rosemary D Higgins; David M Hougaard; Shampa Saha; P Sanchez; Robert L Schelonka; Seetha Shankaran; Kristin Skogstrand
Cytokine profiles of preterm neonates with fungal and bacterial sepsis.
Pediatric research 2012;72(2):212-20.
Also, I remember Coleen Boyle, when questioned in the recent Congressional hearings saying, "I don't know anything about vaccines." Later, I saw her name as author on a vaccine research article from 13 years ago. Don't remember which one, but I'm guessing it wasn't the only vaccine research article her name is on.
Posted by: Christina Waldman | May 13, 2013 at 11:39 PM
Here is a link, on the U.S. Department of Office of Inspector General web site, describing the fugitive Poul Thorsen:
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp
Here is a link, on the U.S. Department of Office of Inspector General web site, to report information on the whereabouts of Poul Thorsen:
https://forms.oig.hhs.gov/hotline/fugitive-form.aspx
Posted by: Jim Thompson | May 10, 2013 at 06:50 AM
Update, another publication with Poul Thorsen as co-author, December 7, 2012:
“C-Reactive Protein and Preterm Delivery Clues From Placental Findings and Maternal Weight,” Bertha L. Bullen, PhD (1)
Nicole M. Jones, PhD (2)
Claudia B. Holzman, DVM, MPH, PhD (1)
Yan Tian, MS (1)
Patricia K. Senagore, MD (3)
Poul Thorsen, MD, PhD (4)
Kristin Skogstrand, MSc, PhD (5)
David M. Hougaard, MD, DSc (5)
Alla Sikorskii, PhD (6)
(1) Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI, USA
(2) Biomedical Research and Informatics Core, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI, USA
(3) Department of Physiology, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI, USA
(4) Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics, Lillebaelt Hospital, Kolding, Denmark
(5) Department of Clinical Biochemistry and Immunology, Statens Serum Institut, Copenhagen, Denmark
(6) Department of Statistics and Probability, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI, USA
Claudia B. Holzman, Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Michigan State University, West Fee Hall, 909 Fee Road, Room B601, East Lansing, MI 48824, USA Email: [email protected]
http://rsx.sagepub.com/content/20/6/715.abstract?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=poul+thorsen&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=1/1/2013&resourcetype=HWCIT
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Also see Beth Clay, “SafeMinds Background Report, Poul Thorsen, MD, PhD, CDC Fugitive From Justice,” November 2012, http://www.safeminds.org/government-affairs/documents/Thorsen%20Background%20Report%20-%20Nov%202012.pdf
“An inquiry to Lillebaelt Hospital, Kolding Denmark on March 20, 2012 confirmed that Thorsen is indeed employed there and provided his email address as..."
[email protected]
Posted by: Jim Thompson | May 09, 2013 at 11:19 PM
Jen, glad the Tom Jefferson remarks made your day. The British Columbia government has backed off mandatory flu
shots, for now.
Posted by: Victoria Ward | December 09, 2012 at 04:09 PM
Victoria, your links to Tom Jefferson's reasoned responses to mandatory flu shots in British Columbia just made my day. Spread those far and wide, people!
Posted by: Jen | December 09, 2012 at 01:35 PM
I was happy to read this interesting and informative article.
On worthlessness of flu shots, here is Cochrane flu study
reviewer Dr. Tom Jefferson standing up to the provincial
health officer for British Columbia,concerning a mask or vaccine ultimatum for health care workers. Dr. Jefferson calls a spade a spade, stopping not very short of using the word "scumbag".
http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Cochrane+review+vaccine+definitive+health+officer+suggests/7543272/story.html
http://www.vancouversun.com/health/story.html?id=7574493
Posted by: Victoria Ward | December 08, 2012 at 11:20 PM
When we see a pregnant mother,we need to see the other person inside of her: her unborn fetus,her unborn baby,her
hope for a healthy child.I see a fetus with developing liver
that can NOT detoxify,I see a pair of developing kidneys that can NOT eliminate toxins, I see a blood brain barrier that can easily be DAMAGED.Who protects or speaks for the unborn? "Animal studies have not been conducted",is it"able to cause fetal harm",can "affect reproduction capacity"???!!! Studies are not done,there are no answers to these important questions.
"Safety and effectiveness in pediatric
subjects below age four had NOT been established." So,the fetus is well below age four,so there is the answer.Pregnant moms,protect your unborn and say no.
Posted by: oneVoice | December 08, 2012 at 04:09 PM
John: And look at Exhibit 3 at http://www.vaclib.org/sites/vap/cdc-spinach-autism-20070301.htm .
This is an email from Diana Schendel of the CDC telling Poul Thorsen and the other coauthors of the flawed Denmark study:
“We are having persistent questions from one the congressional offices about data on the prevalence of autism in Denmark-in response to the NEJM article. I keep telling them that the information has been submitted for publication, I am not a co-author, and I cannot give out any information that is under peer review…Coleen has been saying the same thing when they go to her…Don’t feel that you have to say yes to this request-no pressure at all… again absolutely no pressure to comply. And we wanted to get your permission before we say anything. Have a good weekend. Diana”
The industry scumbag scientist replied:
“…they could recommend the very persistent person [congress] to contact the Editor of ‘Pediatrics.’ Enjoy your weekend!”
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 07, 2012 at 08:27 AM
John:
So again, during the recent Congressional hearing Dr. Boyle tried to downplay the role of Poul Thorsen.
But back in May 30, 2000, Poul Thorsen (Exhibit 4 at
http://www.poac-nova.org/news_uploads/332/DanishStudy2005.pdf )
had perked the CDC’s interest in an “exciting opportunity to study the role of MMR vaccine and autism…”
And Poul Thorsen was asking for CDC approval for funds since he was returning to Denmark shortly. And Coleen Boyle was copied.
Coleen Boyle later sent an email (November 26, 2002 Exhibit 4 at http://www.vaclib.org/sites/vap/cdc-spinach-autism-20070301.htm ), agreeing to compose a letter to the publisher for the co-authored by Poul Thorsen. The composed letter was “for Jose’s signature.”
The December 10, 2002 letter (Exhibit 5 at
http://www.poac-nova.org/news_uploads/332/DanishStudy2005.pdf ) to the Editor in Chief of the journal “Pediatrics” starts with:
“I am writing in support of an expedited.review and consideration of the enclosed manuscript that examines the association between thimerosal, ethyl mercury containing preservative, and autism.”
The letter ends with:
“I feel this is a very important study that deserves thoughtful consideration by the Journal. Its findings provide one strong piece of evidence that thimerosal is not causally linked to autism.” [It is important to note that this study was seriously flawed as eloquently stated by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., on June 4, 2008, in Washington, DC as shown below] Thank you for your timely consideration.”
Coleen Boyle didn’t seem too excited about Poul Thorsen last week.
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Excerpt from JFK Jr. on flawed Danish Thimerosal Study:
“I’ll just tell you what one of them, the big one that they all rely on, the Danish study, where they said, ‘okay, in 1992 Denmark banned thimerosal. And after that, autism rates continued to climb. Therefore, there is no association between autism and thimerosal.’ That’s the study.
What they didn’t tell you is that in 1992, Denmark was concerned about the connection between thimerosal and autism and about this huge rise in autism, and it began, for the first time, requiring registering autism as a reported illness in Denmark. So all the people who had autistic children suddenly had to register them for the first time. Plus, in Copenhagen, they founded a new clinic to treat autistic kids, which gave people a huge financial incentive and a health incentive to register their children.
So, it was the registry that went up, not the incidence of autism that went up. But they didn’t’ say that in the study. They never mentioned the Copenhagen clinic. They never mentioned the change in rules in Denmark. They just show you the graphs of thimerosal is banned here and autism continues to go up. Well, the reason the autism rates rose was an artifact of their data collected processes. It had nothing to do with the reality on the ground of the occurrence of autism.”
See Robert F. Kennedy Jr., “Green Our Vaccines Rally Speech,” Washington, DC, June 4, 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_TLlwq-gqQ
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 07, 2012 at 07:57 AM
Hi Jim,
Just to add that the live link for Ed Yazbak's 'The CDC finances, writes and helps publish Danish research' is:
http://www.poac-nova.org/news_uploads/332/DanishStudy2005.pdf
John
Posted by: John Stone | December 07, 2012 at 04:03 AM
John:
Thank you for your comment.
Yes, during the recent Congressional hearing Dr. Boyle tried to downplay the role of Poul Thorsen.
But looking at the emails, given as Exhibits 1,2,3 and 4 in Ed Yazbak’s “The CDC, Spinach and Autism,” March, 2007 at http://www.vaclib.org/sites/vap/cdc-spinach-autism-20070301.htm , one can easily see a very different situation.
Age of Autism also published Ed Yazbak’s CDC connection to this crook on April 14, 2011 at http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/poul-thorsen-the-cdc-finances-writes-and-helps-publish-danish-research.html .
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 07, 2012 at 01:29 AM
Bev;
To be a nurse is a dangerous occupation
Posted by: Benedetta | December 06, 2012 at 09:14 PM
Speaking of the flu vaccine...the hospital I work for here in Michigan sent out a letter stating that this is the last year hospital employees can opt out of the flu shot. Next year there will be disciplinary action taken if we don't get the shot. Guess I will be looking for another job in 2013 because I will NEVER!! get a flu vaccine!!
Posted by: Bev | December 06, 2012 at 06:07 PM
Thanks Jim Thompson,
Made my day your posting
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/index.asp
Lovely how Pharma repays its PATSY`S...Brian Deer and his coupon should be along with them all for the great work done on Pharma`s behlaf..larf larf lraf..
Angus
Posted by: Angus Files | December 06, 2012 at 05:00 PM
It is fascinating that the publications keep coming. It is like the CDC don't dare dissociate themselves from Thorsen.
Posted by: John Stone | December 06, 2012 at 04:10 PM
I'd like to send Chuck Norris or someone like the fictional Jack Bauer looking for Mr. Thorsen.
Posted by: ASDFatherInPA | December 06, 2012 at 12:54 PM
I want to add that Monsanto's GMOs are hazardous to health & can cause autism. He refused to label his food but it actually should banned like in other countries. His former atty, Michael was given an appointment at FDA. A judge just dismissed all charges against Monsanto. The judge is his friend & use to be one of his attorneys too. (I believe.) The judge (Clarence Thomas) should have recused himself. No judge tries the case of someone he knows. They all have swinging doors.
Posted by: Gretchen Wilson | December 06, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Laura, thanks for calling Rep. Bill Posey’s office. Your list sounds great. Now is a good time for us all to call our Representative’s and Senators’ offices and ask them to introduce legislation to ban mercury in all vaccines. And ask them to take action in helping bring Poul Thorsen back into the United States to face charges and change his subtitle here to “captured!” https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/index.asp
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 06, 2012 at 05:30 AM
Kathleen:
Thank you for the link. Poul Thorsen is first in the “Most Wanted Fugitive” list on the US Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General.”
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/index.asp
“Thorsen worked as a visiting scientist at CDC, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, before the grant was awarded.”
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp#thorsen
This guy worked in the department where Dr. Boyle is director. Why isn’t the press reporting on this?
Here is one reason, referring again to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s speech:
“So I did something that not a single member… You see the press here?
And over there?
Not a single member of this press corps, I can guarantee you, has ever read any of those studies. It has not happened.
What they read was the CDC’s description of those studies, which has nothing to do with what’s in the study. And you need to read these studies and I’m talking to you guys, and you need to read them critically.”
http://radyananda.wordpress.com/2009/10/18/2008-rfk-jr-speech-on-cdc-cover-up-of-vaccine-autism-link-video-and-transcript/
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 06, 2012 at 05:03 AM
Sara: Excellent question in regard to the Danish studies. Go to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s speech at the June 4, 2008 Green our Vaccines Rally in Washington, DC.
He said “And I called the editor of the Washington Post when they said, ‘oh, this is the newest mythology. They’ve removed the thimerosal from the vaccines and autism rates have not gone down.’
How many times have you read that repeated by these people from the press? That is an industry talking point that the industry knows is a lie. Everybody knows that’s a lie. The amount of thimerosal today in the flu vaccines is about 60% of what they claimed to have removed from all the other pediatric vaccines.
So, I looked at these. I read these studies and I saw studies that weren’t even good fraud– It wasn’t even high-quality fraud. It is low quality– these are low quality, the worse kind. I mean, anybody, you don’t even need a scientist to advise you and tell you where the fraud is.
And I’ll tell you what they– I’ll just tell you what one of them, the big one that they all rely on, the Danish study, where they said, ‘okay, in 1992 Denmark banned thimerosal. And after that, autism rates continued to climb. Therefore, there is no association between autism and thimerosal.’ That’s the study.
What they didn’t tell you is that in 1992, Denmark was concerned about the connection between thimerosal and autism and about this huge rise in autism, and it began, for the first time, requiring registering autism as a reported illness in Denmark. So all the people who had autistic children suddenly had to register them for the first time. Plus, in Copenhagen, they founded a new clinic to treat autistic kids, which gave people a huge financial incentive and a health incentive to register their children.
So, it was the registry that went up, not the incidence of autism that went up. But they didn’t’ say that in the study. They never mentioned the Copenhagen clinic. They never mentioned the change in rules in Denmark. They just show you the graphs of thimerosal is banned here and autism continues to go up. Well, the reason the autism rates rose was an artifact of their data collected processes. It had nothing to do with the reality on the ground of the occurrence of autism.”
See Robert F. Kennedy Jr., “Green Our Vaccines Rally Speech,” Washington, DC, June 4, 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_TLlwq-gqQ
and
http://radyananda.wordpress.com/2009/10/18/2008-rfk-jr-speech-on-cdc-cover-up-of-vaccine-autism-link-video-and-transcript/
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 06, 2012 at 04:37 AM
Very disturbing.
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What's disturbing is Congress gave $875 million dollars to a scumbag infinitely scumbaggier than Thorsen.
In fact, so scumbaggy he hired Thorsen to produce research designed specifically to make Thimerosal look so good that when it was absent negative neurological outcomes went up?!>?!?!
So scumbaggy, one can't even post a link to the GE Health Care Thimerosal MSDS without one of his clowns disabling the link.
Now why oh why would Congress load a guy with a Thimerosal MSDS on his corporate web site, especially when he's been put in charge of investigating the connection between Thimerosal and Autism?
Posted by: Media Scholar | December 06, 2012 at 03:56 AM
"According to this CDC web site, during 2012-2013 approximately 135 million doses of flu vaccine will be distributed in the United States (CDC). From this website one can determine that approximately 72 million doses contain Thimerosal"
We can assume ALL multi-dose vials contain about 25 mcg of thimerosal per dose. UNLESS the vial is not shaken and you get the LAST dose in the vial in which case you may be getting many hundreds of mcgs. So can you TRUST that your dose will not contain, dare I say it, milligrams of mercury? Cannot a nation who spends millions of lives and trillions of dollars on lawless "wars" not afford to outlaw multi-dose "vaccine" dispensation?
Unless you ask for the low mercury dose flu vaccine you will be given one which contains 25 mcg of the deadly mercury. If you ask for the "low dose" vaccine you will be given one that contains one mcg of the deadly mercury. If you request the children's dose you will be injecting 1/2 mcg of the deadly mercury into your trusting unsuspecting child (sarcasm). Now one mcg of mercury is better than 25 mcg but considering that the flu vaccine is totally worthless this deadly load of mercury you are putting in your body is a crime you are committing on yourself or worse your kids. The WHO has stated that there is no safe level of mercury and just one mcg of mercury contains approximately 4,300,000,000 atoms of it.
Our whole problem with the CDC et al is one of TRUST. How many times do you need to be kicked in the teeth by the CDC et al to STOP TRUSTING? My point was passed decades ago.
Just let us go back to 2009/2010 and see how we trusted the CDC et al and what happened next.
"Safety and effectiveness of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine have not been established in pregnant women, nursing mothers or children less than 4 years of age. (8.1, 8.3, 8.4)" http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182242.pdf , Note these are the populations the CDC has TARGETED to receive this untested garbage
4,250% Increase in Fetal Deaths Reported to VAERS After Flu Shot Given to Pregnant Women, Note since one objective of "vaccination" is infertility you sure have to wonder about a 43 fold increase in fetal deaths, is the H1N1 "vaccine" contained in all "flu shots", also an infertility "vaccine" or was the combined doses of mercury and other garbage in BOTH "vaccines" just too much for the poor fetus?
http://vactruth.com/2012/11/23/flu-shot-spikes-fetal-death/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=e89506d904-11_22_2012_vaers&utm_medium=email
Can you TRUST these "people"? I cannot.
http://healthyprotocols.com/2_flu_shot_intro.htm
Posted by: Lou | December 06, 2012 at 12:21 AM
Benedetto: I wonder why Hooker was excluded by Marin specifically? I still think it was one hell of a start with representation from MANY angry constituents who have been affected by this issue- too many people to ignore now. And Boyle and Guttmacher were beyond pathetic, unwilling to answer anything - though who could blame them? They represent lies and a fixed agenda. I still am waiting to hear about their resignations.
Posted by: Jen | December 05, 2012 at 08:19 PM
Media Scholar brought this to my attention.
Very disturbing.
http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Geier/autism%20infighting.htm
Posted by: Benedetta | December 05, 2012 at 07:26 PM
Laura, I agree we need a time line for Congress and a list of what we need to have done, from the investigation of the CDC, to vaccine court reform, and something set in-place for this never to happen again.
Posted by: victor pavlovic | December 05, 2012 at 07:11 PM
Tim, good point re. how they try and downplay that that scumbag Thorsen was involved in many studies (of crappy quality, too) but anything Dr Wakefield has been a part of must all be completely tainted. Don't you just love the irony.
Posted by: Jen | December 05, 2012 at 05:52 PM
It is amazing not ONE WORD on this issue has come from Dr. Nancy, who is always looking out for America's children.
Of course in many media & medical circles, a person is "still considered honest" if they admit to taking the money...
Posted by: cmo | December 05, 2012 at 01:57 PM
PER SARAH:
"The Pro-vax side keeps insisting that Thorsen had a marginal role as a researcher in the CDC studies. Is that true? What was his role in thse studies? Was he involved in any data anylysis?"
Sarah, throw back at anyone using this argument that Wakefield was also one of 13 authors of a study; he was not involved with the clinical treatment of the kids or collection of research data. He simply ACCURATELY reported the findings. Yet he and all the others involved with the study were attacked (to the point that 10 of them retracted something that was not even IN the study) for being part of it. Their study has since been held up as the shining example of fraud.
There is no way anyone can put their hand on a Bible and allow any study Thorsen has ever been involved in to be cited with any credibility - oh - except for Dr. Colleen Boyle and the CDC of course.
Posted by: Tim Kasemodel | December 05, 2012 at 01:22 PM
Per Kim Spencer's advice, I just called Posey's office. They are indeed appreciative of thank you calls, and will ask for your name, address, and phone #, as they are keeping a log of those who call in for this purpose. Having said that, the young man answering the phone also had a script he reiterated 3X during our brief conversation about how they were proud of their work, etc. I agreed with him that what Posey did last Thursday was indeed a good job, but that it can't stop with just that one meeting. Does not sound like they have any sort of game plan in place regarding how to proceed from here. I offered to speak to Posey to share what I have learned over the course of our 17-year "autism" journey, and he returned to his pat script. With more discussion, he then suggested I email his scheduler, which I will do, to try to set-up a time to speak with Posey.
Seems like we need some type of coordinated effort to direct these members of Congress on how to proceed from here. Don't know how that is possible with all of us strewn across the country, with numerous autism-related groups thinking about this, and with people/groups having different priorities/agendas. Seems like one top priority that is constantly reiterated is to FINALLY ban every speck of mercury from both vaccines and the manufacture of vaccines. Another first step is to BAN the use of the Hep B vaccine on infants, toddlers, and young children unless the mom has Hep B, is fully informed of the risks and benefits (?) of the vaccine, and makes the choice w/o any coercion whatsoever.
My personal #1 priority is for a member of Congress to initiate an Act of Congress which would BAN all vaccine mandates...a Federal ban which would override any state's decision in this matter. No other medical procedure is mandated, and vaccines most certainly should not be mandated for too many reasons to list here (plus, I'm preaching to the choir here!).
And, of course, there needs to be an investigation into who knew what when, and then the severest of penalties for those found guilty of covering up evidence, of continuing to recommend dangerous products, of rubber-stamping faulty industry and government studies, etc...duh. I believe that we as the autism community need to develop a clear agenda to send to the members of Congress in order to give them the direction they clearly need on how to proceed...and to express to them that the items on the agenda are URGENT, and must be acted upon immediately.
Thanks for the great article, Jim :)
Posted by: Laura Hayes | December 05, 2012 at 12:39 PM
If this story was a novel and I was reading it, I would predict that the CDC knows where he is. I wouldn't be able to put down the book wondering whether they were hiding him out in a cozy villa somewhere or he was six feet under.
Posted by: Diane W Farr | December 05, 2012 at 11:19 AM
If the Danish studies are shown to be fraudulent, CDC will look to point the finger a bad guy like Thorsen. They'll want Thorsen to take the fall to save their own asses but the fact is they are ALL bad guys no better than Thorsen. All should be indicted for covering up the autism crisis.
Posted by: Sarah | December 05, 2012 at 11:03 AM
The Pro-vax side keeps insisting that Thorsen had a marginal role as a researcher in the CDC studies. Is that true? What was his role in thse studies? Was he involved in any data anylysis?
I hope the next autism hearing probes this more. They should call Yeargin-Allsopp and all those connected to the Danish study before Congress. I also want ACIP members to be called.
Posted by: Sarah | December 05, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Anne:
D.M. Hougaard is listed as a Thorsen co-author here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Thorsen%20P%5Bau%5D
That address is here:
http://www.ssi.dk/English/Service/Contact/Employees/Person.aspx?id=bfedabad-ca8d-42ea-9626-9d8800af7cf6
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 05, 2012 at 10:59 AM
From HHS:
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp
OIG Fugitive: Poul Thorsen….
"In April 2011, Thorsen was indicted on 22 counts of Wire Fraud and Money Laundering.
"According to bank account records, Thorsen purchased a home in Atlanta, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, an Audi automobile, and a Honda SUV with funds that he received from the CDC grants.
"Thorsen is currently in Denmark and is awaiting extradition to the United States."
Posted by: Anne McElroy Dachel | December 05, 2012 at 10:29 AM
When you're out to cover up the horrific damage from an out-of-control vaccine schedule, you end up turning to the likes of Poul Thorsen to do your dirty work.
"Since 2002 there were twenty one autism studies published by P.Thorsen--four of which were published since the April 13, 2011 federal indictment of this humongous scum bag."
Four since his indictment? Obviously someone's in contact with this guy. So where is he?
Anne Dachel, Media
Posted by: Anne McElroy Dachel | December 05, 2012 at 09:57 AM
Poul Thorsen may be somewhere on the FBI most wanted list, but he is the number one most wanted on the list of the Office of Inspector General (OIG).
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/index.asp
Posted by: kathleen | December 05, 2012 at 09:38 AM
Katie:
His website currently features a clip of his “get to the point" approach during the hearing.
http://posey.house.gov/
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 05, 2012 at 08:14 AM
Call Posey's office and ask him to use the Zimmerman Report to BUST THIS OUT OF THE WATER! His office has been extremely receptive and appreciative of the calls! (202) 225-3671
Posted by: Kim Spencer | December 05, 2012 at 08:03 AM
Bob: Good point! Look at http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml and call your US Senators and US Representative and ask them if they can find out.
Posted by: Jim Thompson | December 05, 2012 at 07:58 AM
Thank you so much Poul Thorsen . You have done more for the children than you'll ever know .
If it were up to me .....I'd let you keep the money , and give you a medal for all the services you have done to discredit toxic vaccines and the toxic CDC .
You have left the CDC defenceless against claims of vaccines cause autism , bloomin marvellous .
Colleen Boyle , can we have your letter of resignation by Friday please ?
Posted by: Farmer Geddon | December 05, 2012 at 07:45 AM
I love Congressman Posey!!!!
Watch how he goes after this issue at the hearings. Posey is concerned with the health of American children, the integrity of CDC research as well as the waste of taxpayer $. Who lives in his district? We need to thank him.
Posted by: Katie Wright | December 05, 2012 at 07:29 AM
Jim, it may help to remind everyone what this "humongous scum-bag" may only represent the tip of the iceberg .. read here the indictment:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/read-the-indictment-of-cdc-autism-researcher-poul-thorsen-at-age-of-autism.html
According to the indictment as published in this AoA article .. among the numerous allegations of Thorsen's crimes is this:
"On or about the dates set forth below1 in the Northern
District of Georgia and elsewhere the defendant POUL THORSEN .......AIDED AND ABETTED BY OTHERS KNOWN AND UNKNOWN TO THE GRAND JURY ...... knowingly engaged in and atttempted to engage in monetary transactions below in criminally derived property of a greater value than $10,000, consisting of deposits and withdrawals....."
It is too bad the congressman did not ask the head of the CDC who are the "KNOWN AND UNKNOWN PERSONS THAT WERE ALSO INDICTED BY THAT GRAND JURY" are? Surely as head of the CDC .. she would KNOW if someone in her bureaucracy has been indicted by a federal grand jury?
Posted by: Bob Moffitt | December 05, 2012 at 07:09 AM