this one's for Paul Offit and the likes of him...There is no one more entrenched, no one more difficult to convince to see reason, than someone who has committed an act that is contrary to their conscience. The resulting rationalizations, and each decision taken afterward that doesn't correct the original error further erodes their ability to see reality. If people in pharma have a conscience...mostly they run their mouths by their pocketbooks, shareholders, and keeping theiry sorry behinds in a job that pays the fine handsome house mortgages, cars, fabulous vacations we only dream of, and their children's harvard college funds. Now, that's some motivation to shut up and give up the conscience alright.

I was channel surfing the other day an came upon an re-run of a cop show. They were angry that a mother didn't get son vaccinated for measles. Another child at a park where the two children played contracted measles and died. The other parents and most of the cops on the show were angry with the mother who did not get her child vaccinated and were blaming her for the other child contracting measles and causing his death. This had to be the dumbest and most biased shows I had ever watched. The stupidity in the media and the celebutards in Hollywood is amazing.

I didn't take this as Southern-bashing at all. (and I'm glad you didn't either, Benedetta!)
We lived for awhile in a remote part of Washington State, up near the Canadian border. It jis don't git much further north'n that! And that top photo? Those people lived just down the gravel road from us.
It was an eye-opening experience for me, to say the least. ;)

Pamela;
They can smell a rat - exactly! Thumb their nose - that is what they do! Pride in having of common sense.

Except in the case of vaccines, they have been bamboozled just like all the rest of the country.

They all are wondering around here why are we having such a drug problem.

Their children are being found dead, or damaged from overdoses, killed stripping electric lines for copper, in prison for dealing dope. I am talking about people that are educators, pastors, politicians, respected people of the community as well.-- people that we went to lamaze classes together.

I know the reason, I know the cause - I feel like a lone voice crying out into the wilderness!

KIM:
I am old enough to remember the "I Love Lucy" episode and we all laughed about it.
The old sterotypes is not so much about region as it is time.

Katie:
None was taken!
Really!
I was talking about a doctor in a different part of the state, only 75 miles away, acting like where I was from was foreign, and far away.
If I had not been sobbing so hard -- and was my typical self at that time; I would have put my accent on even heavier, and told him that I knew all about snake worshipping - that Paul had said to take up the serprent. Doctor I assure you that you have never had a spiritual experience like the one you have when you are holding a hissing, rattleing - snake!

Katie,

I actually thought you sounded like what doctors would think of a lot of people from right here in Wisconsin, when it comes to the attitude toward uninformed parents.

Anne Dachel, Media

Dis much is true. I was done called "Most Likely to Succeed" by my grajeeatin high school klas and all, butcha know what, when dat dare doctuh told me my story bout my baby screaming for 6 ours after a bunch dem baby shots, bout my baby done stopped lookin me in my eye, my baby done stop coo'in back to me and all, well dat lady doctor brush me off, said dat was nuttin but "anecdotal". I said, shit, I'ont know what "anecdotal" mean but shit, guess I musta been wrong or sumthin.

MF's, I mean MD's they all smaht and stuff, gwoin to collech fo evah. I musta been wrong. Still, I spect dem baby shots to blame. personally. but Iain't goin tell dat doctah dat no mo. She already think I's stupid.

The arrogance of doctors never ceases to amaze me!

Re; Vaccine storage ABC report

What does a typical multidose vial of vaccine cost ?? $300 to $1,500 ??? Do they get a refund from pharma for unused vaccines ? I would doubt it.

What would the Dr. say to a nurse who threw out a few thousand dollars worth of vaccines without permission ?

Seems like most doctors investigated had expired vaccines on the shelf, who do you suppose would get those ??? I would suppose you could transfer an outdated vial to a unexpired vial and have no problems. golllie... shizzammm !

In response to the point Carolyn M brought up, i the text of the story at ABC we learn that "Nationwide, about 44,000 offices and clinics participate in the program." That is referring to the VFC (Vaccines For Children) program. Dr. Besser went on to state that the VFC program covers about 90% of the children in this country, so that leaves a very small number of vaccinators out of this loop. He suggests doctors check up on their nursing staff to make sure they are following proper storage protocol. So this leaves the door open for the doctors to lay blame on their nursing staff for the negligence.

At the very least, Anne Schuchat, CDC, is establishing a mental preconception that the whooping cough outbreaks are the result of DTaP vaccines made ineffective through improper vaccine storage/handling (when in practice the DTaP just doesn't provide immunity). Risk/benefit argument goes right out the window here.

Do you recall when Dr. David Tayloe, of the AAP, said on Larry King he had NEVER made a VAERS report in decades of practice? I sure do. It spoke volumes to the fact that peds are taught to deny reactions, turn a blind eye and obfuscate with parents = otherwise how the hell could they sleep at night?

Katie,
You have no credibicelebicy because you lick a degree in
medilsome. And further more, you're unsofisorchestrated because your brain is lacking the medusa. Listen to the folks with hubrew and follow them and follow them like a lost puppyrotsee.
Maurine

Besides Destoto is the discoverer of Paul Misfit.

I should add that I also doubt that the Department of Defense will ever admit to being involved in any way in causing vaccine injury.

Donna K .. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments:

"ABC's Dr. Richard Bessler chastised doctors for not properly storing their vaccines .. "they need to be taken out to the woodshed,". It's just my opinion but it looks to me like the CDC is now throwing the peds under the bus on vaccine safety"

I suspect they have no choice but to "throw pediatricians under the bus" because they have no explanation for the numbers of fully vaccinated children they KNOW succumb to whooping cough, chickenpox, mumps, etc.

What better way to explain the "failure" of the VACCINE .. THAN TO BLAME THE PEDIATRICIANS?

I also suspect improperly storing vaccines and administering expired vaccines are just the "tip of the iceberg" regarding the failure of pediatricians to exercise due diligence when adminstering the TEN MILLION vaccines that VAERS proudly boasts is given to children under ONE YEAR OF AGE IN THE U.S. .. EVERY YEAR.

How about pediatricians .. or .. their ever changing staff .. "mistakenly" giving children the "wrong vaccine" .. or .. giving children a "double dose" of a vaccine they ALREADY received?

The sad reality is .. NO ONE CARES .. especially the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) who incredibly believes that pediatricians will VOLUNTARILY report these types of routine mistakes every time a child shows signs of an "adverse reaction".

I hope Dr. Bessler .. who ended his commentary by emphatically stating that this is not the last we'll hear about this .. IS RIGHT.

Pediatrics seems to have been tossed in front of the onward march of marginalism.

Wake up, Peds.
First they said you should specialize in babies. Then they took away the time you needed to figure out babies. Then they told you how you should take care of babies in the 10 minutes they blessed you with. Then they told congress how to take care of babies. Then they told the drug stores how to take care of babies. Then they told the grocery stores how to take care of babies. They then told the schools how to take care of babies. Then they set up their idea of baby care in airports and malls. And now you are being blamed for not taking care of babies correctly by the same people who convinced you that you should specialize in babies, after which point you will no longer be trusted with babies. Tomorrow, your redefined, minimal-effort big pay job will be outsourced to the $8/hour lab techs with associate degrees working along side the $12/hour receptionists at the front desks at the big pharma offices. People being paid $8 an hour don't need to be "educated" at fancy resorts with all-inclusive perks.

Wake up, Peds. Your own organization has booked you on a sinking cruise - guaranteed posh and fun up until the sudden end. How long is it going to take before you realize they've prioritized your best interests just below that of the babies? The babies, at least, need to be kept alive to keep up a cash flow. And who, exactly, do you think is at the top of the list?

It appears that not everyone at the CDC believes pediatricians know what they are doing either. In fact, if anyone watched GMA yesterday they saw Dr. Richard Bessler chastise doctors for not properly storing their vaccines and let's see, how did he put it, oh yea, "they need to be taken out to the woodshed," over this is what he suggested. He ended his commentary by emphatically stating that this is not the last we'll hear about this. It's just my opinion but it looks to me like the CDC is now throwing the peds under the bus on vaccine safety - by using the media to create the scenario that explains how their safe vaccines leave the manufacturers' oversight only to be mishandled by the doctors and thereby introduce quality and efficacy defects, that may result in adverse reactions. My guess is this is how they figured out how to protect their reputations, as well as the vaccine manufacturers, on the issue of vaccine safety and place the blame elsewhere now that they've lost control of the message of vaccine risk/damage.

First of all Ann;
CDC is gettin scared -- and being the squirming lying political maggots they are they are blaming storage and putting it back into the ball park of the doctors. Hey doctors - get it - when it all hits the fan who are they going to blame?? You doctors the faithful minions who stood up and quoted stats to us parents as you bravely continued to vaccinate even a child that had Kawasakis and a swelled up left venticulaheart -- running temp of 105 and passing out - vaccinate it anyway. Because you docs really thought to do other wise would ruin your career. Meanwhile -- 30 years or so of not being stored properly who knew!!!!

Guys I have been put down for the last 30 years - and the hillbilly theme has never been far away.

I am from the south eastern part of Kentucky. Like that area I have a very soft I - I pronouce bike, Mike, like, tight, fight, bright, ice - with a soft sounding I.

That is the only difference in my dialect and that of the Louisville area --- they say everything else just like me -- dog -- dawgh.
Okay.

My son at 13 years old has a full blown, falling down jerking tonic clonic grand mal seizure. I have moved heaven and earth to get him to a neurologist aand fought my peds and every one says it is fine. It is well over five minutes. I finally get him in the car and go to the emergency room. Just me and him at home at the time; his father is way up in Michigan and my daughter was a college.

I am so upset about all this going on and on and on and not being able to get on with our lives or know what we are dealing with - I can't even get the car parked at the ER. I will admit now that I was hesterical and told the whole sorry mess to the ER doc.

TI told him I wanted to go to Lexingtion to the University of Kentucky - that I was finished with all the Louisville docs, and I ask him how I could get in there with out a reference by my dumb ass peds.

The ER doc is kind and he is nice and he is not all that mean to me as I have had docs be. But he did comment on my accent and said he knew from that alone I was from Eastern Kentucky.

I said that was true.

He says they have church services a lot up there with rattlesnakes don't they. He starts entertaining the nurse with stories of what he has heard about snake worshippers.

Okay - I have been there. The nurse was very kind though and the next day when my son had to have an MIR and became very ill and dizzy afterwards she was there - on her own - not her duty or her area and gave him a cool wet cloth for his forehead.

the ER doc - also - I am pretty sure by my son's ped's reaction - called them up and told them that more should be done and looked into for these seizrues. So they made us an appointment - I thought with Univerisity of Kentucky - but being the hill billy I was and really ignorant - when I got out in their hall to the receptionist and out of their sight - I found we were being sent back to the same dumb ass pediatic neurologist as before.

I suspected he was some close friend of theirs trying to keep the lid on their big mess up of me begging them to pay attention to my son's past vaccine reactions.

And Dr. Block - I will name you hear. You well knew why my daughter had Kawasakis - that was what that conversation we had and you asked me if I knew why she had had Kawasakis. You could have told me - you could have done the right thing and told me that she should never have any more vaccines.

"Parents are not sophisticated" enough to recognize a vaccine reaction?

So doctor, what would you call it when a healthy 10 year old girl goes into non-stop seizures, like my daughter did, after the Hep B series? She was still seizing when the ambulance got her to the hospital. Everyone stood around clueless, of course. They did brain scans and tests. Nothing conclusive. She had periodic seizures for the next four years. It happens--we don't know why.

Remember this FOX News story from Sept, 2010? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp5YWZVnpeI

Marc Siegel was discussing the link between vaccines and autism with Becky Estepp:

FOX News medical expert, Dr. Marc Siegel: "We don't really know what the cause is, but multiple studies ...did not show a link between vaccines and autism. We continue to study that. A lot of attention has been put on that. The question of thimerosal as derivative--that's actually been removed from the MMR vaccine. ...There's a question about this, but there's been no proof shown. No cause and effect. ..."

Becky Estepp: "First of all, Dr. Siegel, the MMR vaccine never had thimerosal in it. That's a live virus and thimerosal would have killed the MMR. So that was wrong. ..."

Siegel: "More study needs to be done. Even if an association ever is found, that's not proof. We do need more study, but we need studies on a lot of environmental toxins that could be linked to autism."

I seriously doubt most doctors would recognize a vaccine reaction if a child dropped over in their office five minutes after receiving a round of shots.

Anne Dachel, Media
http://annedachel.com/

I took my baby in for a hole mess of those baby shots and afterwords, he was just a screamin' and a whoopin' and a hollerin' all hours of the nite an day. He got reel reel hot too. I used one a those feever measurin' sticks and them numbers shot up way way hi...higher'n I could even count. His little head done swolled up like a watermellin too. I ask the Doc if this weren't maybe on accounta them there shots but he said no, that my baby was probly just spoil't. He said to keep givin' a bunch of them pink medicin drops, that aseeto...aseeto...aw heck, I cain't spell it but it's somethin' like aspern. And by gawd, he was rite. My baby did finally qwiet down. He got reel reel qwiet. Heck, he's a teenager now an' he cain't even hardly talk a'tall. But Doc says that's on accounta boys talk alot later'n girls do. I never even new that! Boy, them docs shure are smart. Must be on accounta all them years a collige.

And when the old doctors are giving advice to new doctors --Their biggest advice is and always has been for years is "listen to the parents"

Kaddyee:

I'ma clacking away on ma letter-thingy-whatsit an am plum worn' out. Any guud saw bone an potion man cin tell you there inn't no bad reashuntion to all dem thar jabs. It just mus be what yer namin tham sweet babes, or yer ol man is an ol' man, or you done ate too muchin fuud, or... wait, uh, i recollect it about were the road is in relashuion to yer homestead, or you an yer fellah got too durn eduicated and diseased yer wee ones,

jus' drink the tylenol fer all yer feverous reactuion to them childrens vacactionations. oh, dang it... don't takin that hurt the little ones to? It jus' too hard fer me to figure anymore.

jus' don woory yerself none. what's done has been already did. Like all them real imoprtant fellars with them lambskin degrees say, they done know and ain't got no way ta know all the thangs they do and doesnt know about.

An' it wus right kinda a ya to post my family picture. At least I thank that's ma family... we all look kinda alike.

Bio
Michael A. Stoto, PhD, is a Professor of Health Systems Administration and Population Health. A statistician, epidemiologist, and health policy analyst, Dr. Stoto’s research includes methodological topics in epidemiology, statistics, and demography, research synthesis/meta-analysis and other analytical methods related to comparative effectiveness research (CER), community health assessment, risk analysis and communication, and performance measurement.

What this means is..... that Dr. Stoto has no idea of the cause of Autism which is now 100 times more common than polio in 1954.

"Sophisticated bankrupt HMO statistics" show little difference in Autism rates between those who had 27 vaccines and those who had 25 vaccines, therefore whatever the hell they inject into your infant is far beyond safe.

You simply have to believe the "science" and study after study....

This doktor is obviously smerter than the rest of us craazy parents. I wish that I could have seen him when my youngun' was covered in large raised red inflammed patches the day after his mmr/chicken pox vaccines. I'm sure since he's a doktor, he would have been able to answer my questin as to what this was? I'm sure he wood have explaind it to me better than my doktor who said it was a "viral rash" having nothing to do with the previous dayz vaccines.

My daughter was hospitalized for seizures over a weekend, she had a vaccine that week. They wanted to do a lumbar puncture to try to figure out what was going on. I told them about the vaccines. The doctors told me that the reaction for that shot occurred between 7 to 10 days after, so it couldn't be that. Dumb me. I called the CDC when we got home. They stated that the reaction period was from the time of the shot, up to 7 to 10 days. So, the doctors are either so BRAINWASHED that they read it wrong, or they flat out lied.

Stoopid us parents.

Yesterday, ABC Good Morning America reported:

"An "investigation" found that 76 percent of the providers stored the vaccines at temperatures that were either too hot or too cold. They also found that 13 providers stored expired vaccines along with nonexpired vaccines. In addition, they said they found that none of the providers properly managed the vaccines according to VFC program requirements."

Us unsophisticated nitwits should just keep our mouths shut .. and leave those very sophisticated doctors who are doing a hell of a job improperly storing and administering vaccines alone.