Sylvia - The published literature of the last 25 years cites findings (via ever more sophisticated technology) of scores of thousands of "retroviruses" endogenous (natural) to the human makeup. They are entirely different from viruses such as measles, or chicken pox, etc. - though even these measles and chicken pox exogenous viruses I happen to believe are also part of the healthy human experience as intended by nature as we mature from infants nourished properly by mothers' breasts and further nutrition such as Vitamin C, D, B's, etc. nutrition that only became reality in the last 100 years in 'modern' society.

Retroviruses are only dubbed with the term 'virus' because they cannot exist outside the human cell - thus they are passed on forever as 'parasitic entity/RNA' and part of normal healthy cellular makeup.

My basic point being it is folly to pursue the infinite paths if "retroviruses" are hypothesized to be harmful. Even as a harmless "markers" they also present infinite ways to waste time and energy and intellectual capital - and be diverted from real culprits such as 40 vaccine doses, with all their horrific constituents, injected into infants by 18 months.

please pardon any typos ---

Apparently this witch hunt is, in part, being fanned by some woman whose blog name is ERV. ERV, a graduate student and amateur science sleuth, has been busy making accusations that Mikovits somehow falsified data. ERV comes across as very nasty and unprofessional and makes herself look bad. She is making all sorts of assumptions on how this alleged data falsfication occurred. She has no real proof of course, if I were Mikovits I would cite her for slander.

A sample of ERVs poison pen:

"Its funny to see the WPI, like Frankenstein, getting attacked by their own monster. The 'mobilized patient community' they happily encouraged to attack scientists who didnt support their XMRV-->CFS narrative, is now attacking them. Its funny, and I love it.

"However, I need to make it clear that I dont give a rats ass about the WPI and their books of useless notes (Im assuming everything connected to the XMRV-->CFS paper was curiously convenient contamination or active withholding of information, nothing is to believed) or their $5 flash drives or $1000 computer. I mean, yes, Mikovits and the WPI are white trash, so yes its funny to see them fighting over a laptop and a stack of paper on 'Judge Judy'.

But I really dont give a shit about the WPIs crap.

And I dont want Judy Mikovits in a county jail.

I want that piece of shit Science paper retracted."

"But to all you frauds out there-- remember this: Dont. Fuck. With. Scientists. Individually, scientists are smart folks. And even smart folks get screwed over now and then. But together, we are always smarter than you."

Source:

http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2011/09/xmrv_and_chronic_fatigue_syndr_29.php

ahhh, such class

I'm not sure I've followed the history correctly, but didn't WPI researchers state that an immunization could be a factor that might cause the XMRV virus to replicate out of control? Is that the cause of this suppression or is it also the possibility/probability that this virus entered human systems through iatrogenic means, very likely vaccination?

From what I saw, it was "OK" to research the possible role of a pathogen in chronic illness (who knows, such research might even lead to another vaccine pipeline)--didn't Insel state that XMRV was a promising route of research some time ago-- but implicating a possible manmade source...is this the reason Dr. Mikovits is in jail?

yet, Paul Thorsen who is suspected of embezzling millions from the federal government remains a free man.. go figure

I have to say, when I read that Mikovits had been jailed, it seemed like overkill to me. Even if we assume (for the sake of argument) that she committed fraud or misconduct, holding her without bail does not seem justified. The police could seize any possessions of hers that are required to make the case against her, without holding her in jail.

Indeed, Marc Hauser, the Harvard professor who was found guilty of eight counts of misconduct, was not jailed at the time of his arrest (so far as I have read), and was even permitted to continue to teach at the Harvard Extension School during his "leave of absence" from teaching full-time undergraduates. He eventually resigned.

More details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Hauser

and here: http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=marc+hauser+site%3athe-scientist.com&d=4810140389016430&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=2fa00b35,c032e772

I don't know whether XMRV is a factor in CFS (or other diseases, such as autism or prostate cancer) in humans. I don't think more research into the effects of this virus is a bad thing, particularly given that XMRV likely contaminates a vast amount of biological product. (I do understand David Burd's concerns, and although I haven't made my own mind up about HIV and AIDS, the existence of AIDS patients who are HIV-negative casts doubt on the one-to-one cause-and-effect relationship that mainstream scientists believe exists between HIV and AIDS.)

Maybe the fact that Dr. Mikovits is being charged in a real court (rather than an academic tribunal, for example) is a good thing. Real rules of evidence will apply, and she'll have a chance to make her case on the record. In the interim, it is disturbing that she is being treated more severely than (as Katie points out) Jerry Sandusky or other individuals charged with academic misconduct.

Holy Mother of GOD, this is insane! I am shocked beyond words! Dr. Mikovits is in jail for the weekend because she has been accused of not returning a notebook? For that she is JAILED????? OH MY GOD, we ARE living in a police state!

david,

it may not be that far off from pointing to a source of iatrogenic causations. By mixing attenuated viral RNA, residual "junk" RNA and homologous human DNA with known mutagens there may be new viral forms being created by an over ambitious vaccine schedule.

John (Stone), your work is fantastic and I meant no disrepect; but with errant paths that steer away from such as vaccine damage I have lost patience. And, a slight correction: The rest of the industrial world AIDS deaths range from 1 to 4 percent the RATE of the U.S., as a few other nations such as Spain also use extremely toxic antiretroviral treatments, but nowhere near that of the U.S.

How long was Thorsen at large for? For embezzling $2m? And they say she kept a notebook?

This is horrific.