Kathy,

You are right on.

I'm anti-vaccine as well because I have seen first hand the effects of vaccines especially the MMR and in your case the DPT. Vijendra Singh noted that in his studies but of course the pro-vaccine lobby ignored his studies and focused their attacks on Andy Wakefield. The moderates in the community are basically kissing up to the pro-vaccine lobby. The moderates are timid and don't support families and kids, unfortunately by their timid behavior.

None of us can change this behavior because these people are afraid of their own shadows. So families and kids will continue to suffer because of this cowardly behavior....on the part of parents/organizations.

Shameful. We can expect it from vaccine companies....but can we expect it from parents and autism/vaccine organizations????

Apparently so!!!

When I ran The Autism Autoimmunity Project from 1998 to 2005, parents knew where I stood, that I was anti-vaccine.....I didn't play around about my stand, I didn't duck and weave.....never.

A lesson that could be learned, if there are parents/organizations with guts that really want to help their kids and others. If not, give it up. You are going nowhere with caving in to those that screwed families and kids. They are laughing at you!!!!!!!!!!!!

While I do love to see all of the differing opinions here, I also respect each difference in opinion. I think it is important to remember that we each bring our own personal experiences into this arena. We are each at a different time and place in life and in those experiences. Therefore, it is imperative to not exclude nor drive away anyone new to wading through vaccine safety and personal choice. We must keep their opinions and personal views in mind as well so far as to not exclude them nor drive them away, running in fear the OTHER direction. Many are not yet where many of us are and we absolutely must reach out to them, help them along, guide them, respect them and hopefully help to inform them. Just my .02 for what it's worth.

Kathy,

GREAT post!!! You've said what needs to be said; you've spoken the TRUTH.

Here we go again, the spineless approach to this worldwide epidemic, yeah, let's be politically correct now? Not. Although I appreciate the EFFORT, to appear non aluminum foiled hatted, I know without a shadow of doubt, that it is and can trigger autism in our children. I believe NO vaccine has value or efficacy and so do top experts who have any job left. Perhaps when they read the site they may as in BIG may come to that conclusion. However, I have come to the further conclusion, that as not only a recipient of a damaging vaccine in my children (which sways opinion/vested interest, no lying), but, that the science does not support they are safe in any way, shape or fashion. That means the crowd that ashews no mercury, etc, are in fact, half right and half wrong. And I am afraid the mixed message of compliance, we can work with you attitude, is like saying, a murderer can get off or out of jail after good behavior. These people KNEW it was causing damage, and there is the bigger item for interests, and to be frank...the average parent gets the narly vision of a double breasted suit wearing liar in a vaccine regulatory chair/aka dollar signs, rather than explaining by statistic how this or that would cause or MAY cause something in their child. I think people sense the lying on pharma adds, and see the double standard business as usual stance on vaccines. Since we have started this "workable" parent routine, more vaccines have been added to the schedule. Do you know what they really don't want to happen? Take a guess, it's called the pocketbook. It's called a general boycott, furthering exemptions or keeping them. That's what they listen to. Not our sad puppy eyes, signs of damaged children at a march. Not even lawyers get them going. They know they are protected from damage claims even by the highest levels of our government, and they will continue their carnage until we finally get it, or they have completed their mission of the "soft kill". The reality is...we are the consumers, and not consuming their garbage will stop their lying son of a gun asses. Sorry, thats this mommies humble wordly view of it. I tried to many years ago, to illuminate what child would become autistic if given a vaccine, just like this website, however, I had the balls to say it, no vaccine is safe, and don't experiment on YOUR child. I know this won't go pass the moderator, but it makes me feel better just typing it. What I was doing however, was suggesting to an unknowledgable average citizen, is that vaccines represent an immune challenge for which our children, in general can not handle, even on it's premise, is the fact it is never tested in immune damaged children. And how can one "determine" such...it is more than autoimmunity in the mother, a a whole HOST of factors, generally felt by all in our community at large (toxic poisoning of our bodies by industry), that is WIDELY felt. No one goes unscathed. So therefore, no vaccine is safe. None. Deleyed reactions, of course, it's called oncogenicicity (cancer forming), or to put it more mildly, chronic immune activation, and more mildly, WITCHES BREW.

This is a good idea. They know they are guilty, but won't even admit it to themselves. But, if we stop blaming them, they may come around quicker to improve our current affairs. I am seeing some inching on their part. It's like the whole world has now heard of vaccine problems, so it's not like they can win this vaccine war. But, all in all, we just want change as soon as we can get it, and frankly, there are no clear-cut answers. Vaccines could be very helpful. Frankly though, until vaccine makers are able to be sued I don's see how or why they will have an incentive to spend the money to do the research needed. But, I am seeing more and more speaking out about vaccines coming even from universities and all. There are just too many ill people now, with autism, CFS, etc. that the scientists, professors, and doctors with such family members are looking for what's really going on. When it's your own family member, some people take the time to learn.

This looks like a terrific website- the kind of site I will very likely refer parents to. It's also nicely designed and user friendly. My only question is the word "safe." There are no safety guarantees, whether you choose to vaccinate or not - both decisions carry risks. I think it would be more accurate to replace "safe" with "safer."

Congratulations Scott, I know how hard you have been working on this. Well done!

I still have more to read, but this looks like an extremely helpful site.

Some numbers on the "Weigh The Risks" page seem counter-intuitive, the risk of injury that is lower than the risk of death from disease in highly vaccinated populations?

The missing data of vaccine risks is what stands out for me though, particularly with the observable amount of increased immune injury in our children. I don't understand how those with a "MaxVax" viewpoint can expect us to accept they can't study this retrospectively. It's not like the general bias of the industry is likely to lead to an over-representation of vaccine risks. I begin to think that they don't care so much what people like me think, but they do fear losing that bias.

Sorry, I made a mistake in my previous post, Smartvax said that the risk of ASTHMA, not autism, was one in thirteen in a vaccinated child, and the risk for autism could not be quantified because of the lack of a vax/unvax study.

I agree with Elizabeth. All the vaccines on the recommended schedule are either for diseases that are usually not very severe (measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, chicken pox, hepatitis A) or very rare (meningitis, hepatitis, and polio). Both my arms were paralyzed for two days from a tetanus booster (DPT) when I was nineteen, my daughter got encephalitis from the hepatitis-B vaccine at birth and later lost her only two words after a DTaP booster at eighteen months. Injecting pathogens and chemicals into the body in a way that the immune system has never seen before in its millions of years of evolution causes COUNTLESS malfunctions in the nervous and immune systems. My daughter struggles with autism, I struggle with multiple sclerosis. Both these diseases are auto-immune and were never seen before the advent of the smallpox vaccine over two hundred years ago. A Swiss nobleman at a friend's funeral was the first person on record to suffer a dramatic attack of multiple sclerosis, from which he gradually recovered. He had undoubtedly been vaccinated for smallpox, and undoubtedly if anyone had ever suffered attacks this severe from which they recovered it would have been recorded. I am fatigued all the time, could it be that vaccines cause a mitochondrial disorder in which the mitochondria cannot generate energy efficiently, and that this is what causes the heretofore unexplained fatigue of M.S.? There are many areas which genuine scientists could explore, if only they were not held captive by their fear of discovering something Big Pharma would not approve of (see story of Andrew Wakefield).

There are no safe vaccines. Now that people have been warned that SIDS, asthma, learning disabilities, ADHD, seizure disorders, bowel disease, and childhood diabetes are auto-immune diseases caused by vaccines, even though it may be some time before they manifest, I think people are going to pay more attention to the chain of cause and effect. We will take responsibility for our children's health (and our own) back into our own hands, regardless of the bullying of the medical industry.