Winning? Duh!

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/evidence-bill-gatess-vaccine-campaign-has-sparked-polio-outbreak-from-wsj/

“Bill Gates walked into the World Health Organization’s headquarters in Geneva-for a meeting in an underground chamber where global pandemics are managed-and was greeted by bad news. Polio was spreading across Africa, even after he gave $700 million to try to wipe out the disease.”

“Mr. Gates asked: “So, what do we do next?”

“On the plane, Mr. Gates strategized about what else would help win the fight, balking at one religious leader’s suggestion: forced vaccinations. “Strap ‘em, down, I say! Let’s make it illegal” to not take the vaccine, Mr. Gates joked. Then he got serious again, citing failed attempts in the U.S. to enforce compulsory vaccinations.”

Hi, Vanessa,

You raise some interesting issues. Just to throw my own thoughts out there:

(1) Lots of physicians just say something like, "It's time for the XYZ shot" when a mom brings her kid in for a well-baby visit. I recall my sister-in-law telling me this when her doctor tried to give my nephew the Hep A shot, which is not required for school in her state. She thought to ask, "Is this required for school?" and when the doctor told her that it wasn't (but that the doctor still recommended it), she declined. Good for my sister-in-law! but how many parents realize that doctors are only *recommending* some shots, rather than fulfilling school requirements? Perhaps some form of mandatory disclosure is in order--but it would be nice if the AAP or the AMA would get out in front of this one, and tell their doctors to be open and honest, instead of trying to slip in an extra shot.

(2) Just looking at the public school requirements (and I know there are medical and religious exemptions, but I'll call them requirements for now) for my state and the two states closest to mine (PA, NY, NJ), it's evident that there are vaccines required for daycare that are not required for kindergarten. In other words, if you stay home with your child (or have a nanny or a family member caring for him) until he is ready for kindergarten, you are not required to "make up" several vaccines, like PCV (pneumococcal conjugate) and HiB (haemophilus B influenza). Many doctors (in the seven minutes--no kidding, that's the figure--that they spend with a family during a well-baby visit) don't bother to have discussions like that. They don't ask the mom whether she's planning to put the baby in daycare; they just say, "Today's the day for the first dose of HiB." There's another area where the AMA and the AAP could exercise some real leadership, treating children as individuals and not applying a blanket policy to all of them.

(3) The non-mandatory-for-school vaccine that you highlight, HPV (Gardasil or Cervarix), is one of particular concern because it was "fast-tracked"--in other words, it was approved on an accelerated schedule. That implies that there was less time for discussion and disclosure of side effects among clinical trial participants. Merck also did something rather shady with the Gardasil trials: the company used aluminum in the so-called "placebo." It has recently come out (http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/57933/) that the ingredients in up to 90% of placebos in clinical trials are not disclosed as part of the trial results discussion, and it appears that an increasing number of placebos are not actually inert substances. Even if a parent did the research on Gardasil, unless the parent is pretty sharp and knows how a placebo is supposed to work, some of the effects of aluminum on the human body, etc., that parent still might not properly judge the safety of this particular HPV vaccine. In this case, Merck is not playing by the rules, while still being protected by them--because it didn't hide the placebo information from the government, the company would likely not be considered liable for a "failure to warn" defect. (It seems to me that the government is stamping its approval on a product that has not been proven to be sufficiently safe, and then using that approval to deny parents of Gardasil-injured children a remedy in court. Something is not right when the FDA OK's a product tested the way Gardasil was, and then puts the entire brunt of decision-making on parents who may not know the first thing about how a clinical trial is *supposed* to be run.)

So those are my first thoughts on your second paragraph. Yes, parents are responsible for their children, but when it comes to vaccines, they are routinely misled by doctors, the pharmaceutical industry, and the US government.

Oh, and one more thing: mandated vaccines don't actually have "a great deal of research and data supporting them." For example, in NJ, the flu shot is required for daycare and public school, every year. The flu shot's safety and efficacy have always been in doubt, and recent analyses by the several investigators, including those at the Cochrane Group (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1) indicate that the flu shot may not do any good at all, at least as far as reducing influenza-related mortality. I'm afraid we'd find that the story is not that different when it comes to many of the other vaccines currently mandated. (Chickenpox, anyone?)

Mr. Olmsted,

It is very compelling how you address the recent controversial interview with Bill Gates in regards to vaccine safety. As a pre-med student at the University of Southern California, I am very interested in vaccines and understanding the truth behind all of their effects. It is a sad fact that today, as we live in a world of instant gratification; many people are willing to accept vaccines as a ‘cure’ before they fully understand the research and ideas behind it. This results in far too many cases similar to the recent one discussed in Bruesewitz v. Wyeth that you referred to above. However, I cannot help to wonder who really is to blame when it comes to the negative effects of vaccinations? While some vaccinations, such as DTP and polio, are mandatory to be given to children, others, such as HPV, are not. I concur with the belief that if a state should mandate a vaccination, then the state should be willing to take responsibility for any negative outcomes. If the Bruesewitz family had no intention of vaccinating their daughter with DTP and only did so due to a requirement from the state, then the state has every right to be sued. I also completely agree with the comment you quoted from Mary Holland in which she explained that “the Supreme Court [has] removed any remaining incentive vaccine manufacturers had to make vaccines safer by shielding them from legal liability when their vaccines damage those who are required to receive them.” If there are no repercussions for bad vaccines, then what is to stop companies from distributing vaccines for any disease without proper research or sufficient time to acknowledge all possible outcomes?

Yet, in regards to non-mandated vaccines such as HPV that have also resulted in paralysis, strokes and in some cases death, who is to blame for these outcomes? I do support the Supreme Courts’ indirect message that you also quoted in your entry which sent a clear message to parents implying that “[they] are on our own when it comes to vaccine injury”. While vaccines are made in good faith, mandated vaccines have a great deal of research and data supporting them such as the Polio vaccine, which has resulted in it being required for all children. But when new vaccines come into the market, is it not the parent’s responsibility to also have a thorough knowledge of the medications and vaccination they wish to give to their children? Yes, a family doctor may recommend vaccines that have proven to be promising in a few clinical trials, but parents should not blindly follow a physicians’ advice when it comes to something that has the possibility to be deadly. How do you think parents can better inform themselves about vaccines before considering giving it to their children? I believe that a great deal of harm caused by failed vaccinations can be minimized if the vaccine companies stop competing with each other to release the first vaccine for a disease, and started working to better the public. Vaccines take a great deal of time to research and it should be legally required that companies have to publish all recorded side effects and outcomes of old and new vaccines to the public. Do you believe that any form of law along these lines will ever be established? If so would this result in a larger responsibility on the parents end for the negative effects of vaccines? Or would this further justify the legal action taken against companies such as Wyeth? Overall I feel this topic will take some time before any solutions are made. Thank you for bringing this event to the attention of the blogging world.

Lara is entitled to her opinion and we were happy to have her share it here. But we don't usually go for additional comments that just repeat the same point over and over and inch into the condescending tone - Good night, friends. KS

You are absolutely right, John.

The reason vaccine manufacturers were able to get immunity from vaccine damage was because our fear of disease was/is so great that when they threatened to pull out of vaccine production, because of all the lawsuits, we begged them to continue and succeeded by providing them immunity.

The only way to change this situation is to address our fears and not allow ourselves to be manipulated.

Diseases can kill and otherwise harm. Vaccines can kill and otherwise harm. What are the long-term risks of each?

And we can't continue to let them get away with comparing mere incidence of disease that may or may not have any serious consequences with vastly under-reported, unexamined, unstudied, dismissed, and ignored vaccine reaction incidence. We also can't continue to let them get away with using developing world mortality and morbidity statistics when mongering fear in order to get vaccine compliance in the US and the rest of the developed world.

The bottom line, however, is that we parents deserve the right to choose what we feel is best for the children we love, and for whom we are responsible. No one else will be expected to care for our children if the vaccines or diseases maim them. No one else’s heart will be broken like ours if they are killed or otherwise harmed.

The Power of Fear http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/2008/Feb_11_08/Scandal85.htm
The Perfect Business Plan http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/2005/Dec_23/Scandal75.htm
And They Wonder Why We Don't Trust Them http://www.vaccinationnews.com/20110118AndTheyWonderWhyGottsteinS

All the best,
Sandy
http://www.vaccinationnews.com

To Jeff Keogh, Please think about this and explain it through your own scientific method: I run a nursery school in New Delhi India and up to about 1995 we had never seen an autistic child (That is for about 20 years). Then the Indian Academy of Pediatricians added many more doses of mercury containing vaccines to the schedule.That was in 2000. A few years later they compressed the schedule making it 8 mercury laden vaccines by three and a half months of age. So from 2003 we have seen kids with full syndrome autism and symptoms of autism nearly every year. One year we had three fully autistic kids and there were only about 70 kids in my school that year. In other words, it is now a never ending stream of autism. Now how do we explain this coincidence- That autism in the US began after adding more mercury laden vaccines to the schedule, and autism began in India 15 years later, when the same thing was done . And we know that "Pink Disease" which killed children in the late 1900's was caused by mercury and we know that the symptoms of Pink Disease and Autism are quite similar. I find this far more meaningful than vague sentences about "Science"

Great interview Mary. Thanks so much for your stellar efforts on behalf of all of us in this stew.
Maurine

Honest, Jeff, I cannot believe that you are putting forward "scientific consensus" and pretending you are talking about science. Silly. Irrelevant. People here are raising specific concerns about various aspects of vaccination and the schedule, concerns which have not been addressed by the scientific consensus. Not addressed equals no scientific consensus on the concerns. Got it?

@ John Davidson

"In effect, you are just making stuff up and then saying that everyone who asks for evidence or doesn't believe you is part of some "great conspiracy" that you can provide no evidence for."

My friend, this issue .. at its core .. is about SCIENCE .. and .. SCIENCE is now joined by a majority of the US Supreme Court .. that ruled vaccines are .. "UNAVOIDABLY UNSAFE".

Indeed, the very existence of a Vaccine Court is clear evidence the vaccine industry itself openly admits it cannot survive by producing an "unavoidably unsafe" vaccine without guaranteed "product liability protections".

So .. my friend .. do you agree with SCIENCE and the US Supreme Court .. that vaccines are "unaviodably unsafe"?

Once you admit to the SCIENCE .. your own common sense should dictate those heavily invested in the manufacture, approval, recommendation and administration of vaccines .. will .. on many occasions .. act in their own self vested interests .. rather than in the best interests of our children.

In my humble opinion .. acting in their own self-interests is not a conspiracy .. it is human nature.

This is simple. We have legislation and legal rulings which are inequitable and unsafe and bound to lead to mischief. And this site comes under ad hominem attack for pointing it out.

Jeff

Who needs conspiracy theories, when you have governments legislating to protect manufacturers however bad their products, and manufacturers lobbying to have more and of the products made mandatory. That isn't a conspiracy, it is a recipe for disaster.

John Davidson

This site is built on endless commentaries on the science, its flaws, not to mention the legislative and executive bias and the way they have betrayed our children. You can take whatever view you like, but if you think the case is simple you are an ignoramus.

Jeff Keough: You stated "The scientific method has served humanity remarkably well in the last 150 years." HOWEVER, the "scientific" method you admire so much has been abandoned the last 30-40 years when it comes to evaluating the safety of vaccines.

"Scientific" study after "scientific" study is on a single vaccine given by itself with only the pathogen antigens removed, leaving in all the other very toxic components such as aluminum hydroxide, on and on.

And on top of these worthless "scientific" studies contaminants are completely ignored (and there will inevitably some in most vaccines, but are not tested for),

On top of these worthless "scientific" studies you so admire is the fact that NONE of them evaluate the cumulative effect of so many clearly dangerous substances INJECTED into a baby's intramuscular system, bypassing completely Nature's gastrointestinal protective system.

Let's see you take the 39+ doses within 18 months, as indicated on the U.S. Immunization Chart below, and, quintuple their dose strength as you are so many times heavier than 7-pound infants. Here's the Chart: Go ahead, take them, and don't forget to take TWO flu shots that are given to a baby at 6 -7 months.

You personally can be a valid data point for a valid scientific study, and I will add your results to the other thousand pediatricians who are drafted to also take these shots at the same rate they advocate for babies. Let's get scientific.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5851a6.htm?s_cid=mm5851a6_e

That sounds like a conspiracy theory, John. Truly, it does. A massive conspiracy to keep the truth suppressed, etc.

I just can't come at conspiracies. I don't hold humanity in high enough regard! Always there is a weak point, and the more people involved the greater the risk of the conspiracy being exposed.

Genuine conspiracies exist, of course. It's just that they always seem to have a very short use-by date.

This conspiracy, if it is genuine, is truly a record breaker, lasting generations. No historical conspiracy has come close to that.

Hi John,

I think I have clearly stated that I am using my own time and my own equipment to contribute here. When asked for an email address to enable me to comment, I gave one of mine. That is all. Your implication that I am acting improperly is inaccurate.

The way I look at things is this:

When researchers working in the field overwhelmingly agree that the universe is expanding, I see no good reason to disagree.

When researchers working in the field overwhelmingly agree that life on earth has descended from a common ancestor, I see no good reason to disagree.

When researchers working in the field overwhelmingly agree that particles at a quantum level behave differently from objects at a macro level, I see no good reason to disagree.

When researchers working in the field overwhelmingly agree that epigenetic effects can be felt through two or more generations, I see no good reason to disagree.

So: when researchers working in the field overwhelmingly agree that vaccinations are one of the safest medical interventions available to us, and that any adverse effects are orders of magnitude smaller than the diseases that they prevent, I see no good reason to disagree.

Is that unreasonable?

Jeff

But you are eliding science with propaganda. There are plenty of opportunities here to discuss science, but if you come on here insisting that there is an unequivocal body of science showing vaccines to be safe, quite apart the US government's quiet payment of over $2b in compensation, then you plainly haven't a clue what you are talking about. $2b is the tip of the iceberg: they don't just hand the stuff out as the nauseating Bruesewitz saga demonstrates - along the line there were executive decisions which prevented the Bruesewitz's being compensated, and it is an egregious injustice. Beyond that it is a disaster and an anomaly that there is now absolutely no sanction on vaccine manufacturers to make safe products. If these are good products why do they need this protection and how can any sane person defend it? But this is what you are supporting and on Australian government headed notepaper.

Hi again John,

I haven't said anything in my posts here that is untruthful or contradictory; perhaps I've been unclear. What is it that you need me to elucidate upon?

I have been censored in the past for presenting a dissenting opinion. I had been expecting the same. I'm delighted to note that every single post of mine this time has appeared on this page. Perhaps there has been a change in moderation policy, which I would applaud. In any case, I would like to thank whoever is moderating here.

How do you arrive at the conclusion that my view is worthless? I rather think that my opinion is well grounded. The scientific method has served humanity remarkably well in the last 150 years (notwithstanding the political misuse of some of its fruits). I don't see why it makes sense to accept most of it, but to reject one area of it.

As far as views go, it seems to me that I have quite a solid foundation for mine.

The numbers thing is, as you rightly say, a different issue altogether. The autism-vaccination link movement appears to be losing traction. Why? If the evidence for a link is irrefutable, why (as you see it) is public opinion increasingly rejecting it?

You also ask why I'm sticking my bib in if I think the numbers are falling.

That's easy. I have three kids whom I love dearly. I want to protect them as best I may.

Lara Lohne - You need to do some "actual thinking" rather than parrot press releases.

Mercury is still in vaccines. Read their package inserts. Pregnant women are getting flu shots with 50,000 parts per billion of mercury, which binds preferentially to brain and nerve cells. Studies show Thimerosal damages neurons and immune function at 20 to 40 ppb.

Correct your verbiage. One word is "causal." Not "casual," like your cavalier attitude toward infants, toddlers, soldiers and myriad others injured by vaccines. Google images for "Ian Gromowski." You'll never forget that little boy's photo.

Read the book "Vaccine Epidemic." It was written by a large group of PhD's, medical professionals and attorneys, not one former heroin addict relying on spin and omission.

Every day well-intentioned people like you try to save the world by challenging vaccine safety advocates who've spent years reading peer-reviewed medical studies, FOIA documents, lab test results, and investigative reports detailing how government and industry are working to conceal the vaccine/autism link. All you succeed in doing is exemplifying the ignorance and denial that allow children to keep getting injured by vaccines day after day, year after year.

Hi again John,

The adequacy of my proponency(?) is not relevant. Whether I'm a brilliant or abysmal communicator has no bearing on the facts.

As for those, I'm quite content to go with the scientific consensus. It's not infallible, but it's the closest thing we have to it. I'm no expert, so what else am I to do but accept the judgment of the majority opinion of experts?

Hi John,

I don't remember sneering. I apologise if I came across that way. What I did want to do was demonstrate the evident lack of support in the community for the vaccine-autism hypothesis, and to do it in a way that wouldn't have my comment summarily censored as has happened in the past.

You are correct - it was not an open comment. Experience shows that open comments are difficult to get published here.

BTW, I am not an Australian Government official, and nor have I said anything in my capacity as an employee of the AAD. I am at home on my privately owned computer, and expressing my personal opinions.

Jeff

I am glad we agree you were trolling. Your only point now is that one of the people who attacked you did not publish their name (which is permitted within site rules) but you have nothing else to say in your defence, and you are not a very good proponent of the case that vaccines are adequately safe.

To the person who will not use their name:

You are correct in that my behaviour could be construed as trollish. There seems to be, among some commenters, an aversion to facing up to reality, and I hope that by highlighting certain facts I am able to address that.

A direct approach has been fruitless on this site in the past - my posts have not seen the light of day - so an alternative method was called for.

It seems clear to me that there is no longer (if there ever was) broad support for the vaccine-autism link among the general population. What must the numbers be in the NY area for people who have children on the autism spectrum? Tens of thousands?

Have a look at the photo heading this article. Where are the people? There is a reflection in the window of the space behind the photographer - and it shows people just walking past.

That is what needs to be addressed by the vaccine safety (as you call it) community.

Lara Lohne--
If I proved you wrong, would you apologize to parents with injured children? Would you accept that you've been lied to? Would you rethink your stance?

If I had a nickle for every time I've heard the false statement that thimerasol was removed from vaccines long ago, I might be able to buy all the therapy my son needs to heal from his mercury poisoning. I know if I say to you that Thimerasol is still in 90% of the flu shots in the U.S., you'd never believe me. But do you have the guts to go to ANY pharmacy where they are giving flu shots and ask to see the package insert with the ingredients? Odds are great that you will read the word Thimerasol for yourself. And lets just pretend that Thimerasol is harmless (which is really like pretending that a pedophile is harmless to your child - absurd). You still think vaccines are always safe? I'm quite sure you've bought into the myth that all pregnant women should get the flu shot. Did you think THAT had ever been studied? Keep reading that insert. You'll find it says in black and white that there has never been safety studies for the flu shot on pregnant women. Some of them even plainly say the manufacturer has no earthly idea what effects the flu shot has on a fetus. How do you square that with the CDC's recommendations? All that info from a little package insert. The intelligent people here have read REAMS of primary documents!!!! You really should read more yourself and stop mindlessly listening to those with an agenda who are telling you what to think. I'd suggest you start with those studies that you keep talking about, but obviously have NEVER READ! You'll find them at fourteenstudies.org. I'll be waiting for your reply.
Allison Byrd - Mom to Noah - DEVASTATED BY VACCINES!

Barbara,
you are absolutely right. Thanks for bringing up the important study of polio in i.m. vaccinated children. Here is another study from Africa, which shows how by manipulating vaccine order one can selectively kill more girls. (Generally the VAERS data show that vaccines kill more boys than girls, except for HPV vaccines, which were designed precisely to kill and injure girls). How convenient for Bilderberg’s depopulation agenda. By the way in the US, DPT-IPV vaccines are often given after soon after the MMR or simultaneously.

Lancet. 2003 Jun 28;361(9376):2183-8.
Differences in female-male mortality after high-titre measles vaccine and association with subsequent vaccination with diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis and inactivated poliovirus: reanalysis of West African studies.
Aaby P, Jensen H, Samb B, Cisse B, Sodemann M, Jakobsen M, Poulsen A, Rodrigues A, Lisse IM, Simondon F, Whittle H.
Projecto de Saúde de Bandim, Danish Epidemiology Science Centre, Apartado 861, Bissau, Guinea-Bissau. [email protected]
Comment in:
Lancet. 2003 Jun 28;361(9376):2169-70.
Abstract
BACKGROUND: Females given high-titre measles vaccine (HTMV) have high mortality; diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) vaccination might be associated with increased female mortality. We aimed to assess whether DTP or inactivated poliovirus (IPV) administered after HTMV was associated with increased female-male mortality ratio.
METHODS: In three trials from West Africa, 2000 children were randomised to HTMV or control vaccine at 4-5 months of age; a second vaccination was given at age 9-10 months (standard measles vaccine). Children in high-titre groups were given IPV or DTP-IPV. Another 944 children received HTMV as routine vaccination in Senegal.
FINDINGS: When we compared high-titre and control groups, no difference in mortality between the first and the second vaccination was noted. After the second vaccination, the female-male mortality ratio was 1.84 (95% CI 1.19-2.84) in children in the high-titre groups who received DTP-IPV or IPV, and 0.59 (0.34-1.04) in controls who received standard measles vaccine (p=0.007). Children who received HTMV but no additional DTP-IPV or IPV had a female-male mortality ratio of 0.83 (0.41-1.67). This ratio was 2.22 (1.04-4.71) for children who received DTP-IPV after routine HTMV and 1.00 (0.68-1.47) for those who did not. When we combined the results from all trials, the female-male mortality ratio was 1.93 (1.33-2.81) for those who received DTP or IPV after HTMV, and 0.96 (0.69-1.34) for those who did not (p=0.006).

Ignorant..no..if he's researched or has been briefed, he knows full well and is aware that taking any vaccine to an area where polio is epidemic will kill many, many children. This isn't a feel good campaign on his part, this is murder, and as in the tape that I posted, his goal is depopulation. Polio epidemics, the paralysis and deaths have been studied in relation to vaccines.
He indeed will be the "baby killer".
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1099-1654(199910/12)9:4%3C219::AID-RMV249%3E3.0.CO;2-T/abstract

Provocation of poliomyelitis by multiple injectionsHV Wyatt - Transactions of the Royal Society of Tropical Medicine …, 1985 - Elsevier
... All drugs which cause peripheral motor neuropathies (ARGOV MASTAGLIA, 1979) will promote
an increase in poliomyelitis, whether the ... Two epidemics are, however, suggestive. ... 142 children
up to two years old, some of whom were given DPT inactivated polio vaccine in the ...

Now wasn't it Bill Gates who said, if we promote vaccines and birth control we can reduce the population? Not sure, but are his thoughts slipping into his words? He intends to reduce the population. We do know that countries such as Japan raised their population simply by refusing vaccines until age two, making their infant mortality rate one of the lowest in the world, we know that vaccinated children are overrepresented in epidemics such as measles, we know that giving any shot increases the chance of paralytic polio, so maybe his intent is "to kill babies", and meet the goal of reducing population. We give him too much credit when his own words suggest this.There is a concept of "virgin soil", our children are not exposed to illnesses, they gain nothing but partial ,temporary immunity from diseases that one day will , as with virgin soil epidemics, wipe out millions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUJMR3BUm2s

Zofie may be correct, as much as no one wants to believe in Bilderberg's intents.

Mary and Louise,

If I could have been at this rally to support the cause, I would have been. But I was there in spirit!

Our now 17-1/2 year old son was injured by his whole cell DPT vaccine back in 1993. Immediately upon receipt of his vaccine, he fell into a deep slumber (somnolence); we could not awaken him for some 12 hours, post-vaccination. When he awakened from his somnolence, we heard an ear-piercing high-pitched scream which sent us running to his room. I can still remember as if it were yesterday, his piercing screams (he was four months old at the time), as he banged his head repeatedly against my husband's chest. When I called our pediatrician, he asked that I hold out the phone so he could better hear our son's screaming. When I got back on the phone with him, he said in a very low voice, "Your baby is having a reaction to his vaccine. Please administer Tylenol and bring him into the office within 15 minutes if he doesn't quit screaming."

Our son was medically exempted from any pertussis component in a vaccine, after this reaction. Yet, even after having the DT vaccine at the age of six months, our son still reacted with complete somnolence and petit mal seizures. That is when my husband, an attorney, and I, a legal researcher, decided to commence with, what we do best -- RESEARCH.

We didn't have an in-home computer in those days. We found ourselves camped out in either our local public library and/or a medical library, pouring over medical research in medical journals, PubMed, and the like. What we found completely shocked us to our very core. We found there had, indeed, been absolutely no legitimate research done as to vaccine safety and efficay, and further, even worse, that many of the vaccines they claim are completely safe and effective, was just the opposite. When I read Barbara Loe Fisher's book, "DPT - A Shot In The Dark," I cried. We could have inserted our son's name alongside any of the case histories Barbara outlines in her book, as to infants having reacted to their whole cell DPT vaccines.

I would urge -- BEG EVEN -- any of those of whom read these posts and feel the need to disparage AoA and those of us who have vaccine injured children, to DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

We were extremely pro-vaccine when we took our son for his well-baby check-ups. I was warned, repeatedly, by a dear friend of mine, about vaccine dangers. She told me about Mothering Magazine and urged that I start reviewing vaccine literature regarding the down side to vaccines.

I didn't listen. This was before I'd even met my now husband and I succumbed to the pressure by my OB/GYN and new pediatrician, to vaccinate our son. Had I known that my families' history with severe allergies, ADD and my new husband's severe allergies, would have any genetic impact on the cellular level it did with our beautiful son when it came time to vaccinate him, I would have stayed in my heart (which is where I should have been) and not allowed them to vaccinate him. We were repeatedly reassured by our pediatrician that no harm would come to our son should we continue to vaccinate.

Little did I know that the penicillin given to me during my 1st Trimester for my upper respiratory infection (it did nothing whatsoever for me), the Turb given to me to quell my preterm labor at 28 weeks, the Tetanus shot given to me in my 2nd Trimester for an EXTREMELY mild cat scratch (didn't even break the skin), and the Hepatitis B vaccine given to our newborn baby at just 12 hours of age (even though I tested negative at Denver's Rose Medical as a Hep. B carrier...

...ALL co-factored into our son's huge vaccine reactions.

We quit vaccinating our son at the age of six months. Further, we were very fortunate in having had a pediatrician who was upfront with us about our son's reaction(s) -- he explained we could expect to see academic issues with our son starting at Kindergarten, which we did -- and all our son's reactions were thoroughly recorded in his medical files.

Still, I HAD to report our son's reactions to VAERS, because these physicians would not do it. But still, we are exceedingly grateful our physicians at least acknowledged our son's reactions and offered to continue to work with us as clients, even after we decided to no longer vaccinate our baby.

Today, our son is thriving and healthy. We have used the services of a great homeopathic physician, recommended to us by our own mainstream pediatrician, for almost 16 years, now. Our son is no longer in special education classes and is considered just a normal kid. He has tons of friends and has adjusted very well in high school. He plans on attending college as well. We consider ourselves to be extremely blessed.

Had it not been for my Mom's intuition when it came time to decide to no longer vaccinate our son, I can't honestly say where we'd be at the moment. Our son could have potentially died or, at the minimum, been left severely brain damaged.

Our story, sadly, is extremely typical of so many. My heart goes out to those of you struggling with autistic issues. In some fashion, I DO UNDERSTAND your pain and your struggles. Perhaps this road to hell was paved with good intentions, but it is time for ALL to pull their heads out of the sand, look at this issue with NO FEAR, and commence with appropriate vaccine safety/efficacy studies.

But EVEN if vaccines were to be ever proven completely safe and effective for everyone, we should STILL have the right to decide, as sovereign human beings, whether or not to use vaccination as a preventative health-care measure. There are, indeed, other ways to stay healthy and contrary to the oft repeated phrase that 'vaccines are the ONLY way to prevent this or that,' THAT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

Louise/Mary -- Thank you so very much for all your hard work. I have your book; absolutely CANNOT put it down.

Yes, www.aad.gov.au is interesting and valuable. But you're still a troll.

Thanks for your clearly sincere effort to relate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg&feature=player_embedded

To the person who googled my name:

I'm more than happy to discuss why I'm here posting comments. This topic interests me on a personal level.

Not that I need to justify myself to anyone.

It's quite galling to be researched in that manner, and then have aspersions cast against my character by someone who is apparently not brave enough to post using their real name.

The implication that since I work for the the Australian Govt I must be involved in some underhand activity is risible (look it up). In your googling did you not bother to see what the AAD is, and what we do?

(To anyone who is interested, have a look at www.aad.gov.au. I'm very proud of the work we do. It's fascinating and increasingly important.)

In any case, thank you Bob Moffit for your response, which was offered in the same spirit in which my original question was asked.

Shouldn't we also count adults among the vaccine-injured? It's time we include the millions of Alzheimer's patients who likely were injured by their yearly flu-shots. I noticed that autistic children have a prevalence of the APOE4 gene which is considered to be a marker for Alzheimer's. The indemnification of vaccine manufacturers will also affect the elderly.

When I saw Bill Gates on CNN with Sanjay Gupta, the only thing I could think about was the movie "The Constant Gardener". What is Bill Gates' real motivation?

I wonder, if Bill Gates is simply a giga ignorant, who does not know anything about basic UNSAFETY of all vaccines (there is no pediatric vaccine in VAERS, which would not cause death of serious injuries to children). Or is Bill Gates used by vaccine pushers to promote their agenda of making giga money over dead bodies of children, or is Bill Gates a true eugenicist promoting agenda of Bilderberg group of exterminating ¾ of the human population for benefits of plutocrats?

Thank you to all who attended this press conference. You represent many of us who could not be there in person, but were with you in spirit. "We are here....we are here.....we are here!"

They need to admit to vaccine injury.. not autism. People must stop asking for our government to acknowledge that vaccines cause autism. As they keep saying..... even on Oz.... Autism is an incurable neurological disorder and they don't know where it comes from. Many Many Many of these kids are not autistic. They are vaccine injured. Change the language for Pete's sake. It hasn't worked, and they have succeeded in conditioning the public to believe them. Stop blaming autism on vaccines... and instead blame vaccine injury on vaccines. This small event was a good start. Microsoft needs to go on a list of companies that won't acknowlegde that vaccines hurt some children. Grow the list and publicize it. Start a "show me the study" campaign to the president, and make him acknowledge that there has been no study to look at what multiple vaccines do to people. Regarding Gates.... I pray he has a change of heart. He is sacrificing children. How sick is that.

Thanks so much to these outstanding advocates!!

I searched High and I searched low and couldn't find any media reporting on the rally. So what else is new, right?
Thanks, Kim, for this great reporting. Only wish I could have been there to lend support .I know you all did a terrific job. Maurine

Get a start on boycotting Microsoft by using Open Office software instead of Microsoft Office.

Open Office doesn't have quite as many bells and whistles, but free is an excellent price.

I am compiling a list of children who were adversely affected by any vaccine. Please if you could say in about 4-6 sentences what that vaccine was how they reacted, how they are today and what city the vaccine was administered. I have a long list from members already so if you sent it to me before I don't need it again. Please send to
[email protected]
Many thanks
Joan

Admin to Dr Wakefield's work must continue
http://www.facebook.com/autismfile.wakefield#!/autismfile.wakefield?sk=wall&filter=2
and Autism mothers on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/autismfile.mothers?ref=sgm

I do not ever again want to buy another Microsoft product.
I know nothing about Apple Macs and their software. Can I buy an Apple Mac computer which does not use any Bill Gates' software. I would hate to think I am contributing to his evil plans.