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Lisa Jo Rudy Feeds the Hungry Lie

Flaw By J.B. Handley
 
Has the hungry lie ever been hungrier, or better fed, than last week? For those of you who’ve read my previous work on this, you know the hungry lie, the thing they all say, that goes something like this:
 
“It’s been asked and answered, vaccines don’t cause autism.”
 
It’s infuriating to read and hear this, if you happen to be someone who has actually read all the studies the other side cites, the studies that actually ask completely different questions:
 
Q: Do children receiving more thimerosal in their vaccines have different neurological outcomes from children receiving less thimerosal in their vaccines?
 
Q: Are autism rates different for children who received 62.5 mcg or 137.5 mcg of mercury?
 
Q: Did children who all received DTP vaccine with thimerosal have higher or lower rates of developmental disorders based on when they got the shots?
 
Q: Do Thimerosal containing vaccines administered to children raise mercury blood levels above safe standards?
 
Q: Does the use of RhoGam shots during pregnancy have a correlation with autism?
 
These 5 examples above come from 5 of the most commonly listed studies cited as "proof" that "vaccines do not cause autism." Yet, not one of them comes close to addressing the real issue or answering the question we all really care about that goes something like this:
 
Our children receive 36 vaccines by the time they are five, including 20 by their first birthday. Is the administration of so many vaccines causing autism in certain children?
 
That question, so important to the health of our children and our nation, has never been asked, so how could it possibly be answered?
 
For Lisa Jo Rudy’s benefit, and many of the other ignorant haters out there, I’m going to try and spell this out a bit more for you:
 
In 1983, the maximum number of separate vaccines a child would receive by the age of 5 was 10. Today, that number is 36. By the time a child is 5 years old, if their parents follow the CDC’s recommended schedule, they will have received the following vaccines, many in multiple doses (the doses is what gets you from 11 to 36: you get DTP 4 times, for example):
 
1. Hepatitis B
2. Rotavirus
3. DTP
4. Hib
5. Pneumococcal
6. Polio
7. Flu
8. MMR
9. Varicella
10. Hepatitis A
11. Meningococcal (only for certain groups)


 
(Of the 11 separate diseases covered above, there are actually 34 separate vaccines licensed with the FDA. For example, your child might receive either Rotateq or Rotarix, each of which has been developed in a separate and unique way to address the disease Rotavirus. The possible combinations of total vaccines your child might receive are almost infinite: my child got the Merck Hep B, but the Sanofi Flu, etc, etc.)
 
So, in a single two month-old visit, the average American child will receive 6 separate vaccines in about 15 minutes:
 
1. Hepatitis B
2. Rotavirus
3. DTP
4. Hib
5. Pneumococcal
6. Polio
 
Two months later, at 4 months of age, most children in America will again receive the same 6 vaccines, all administered at the same time:
 
1. Hepatitis B
2. Rotavirus
3. DTP
4. Hib
5. Pneumococcal
6. Polio
 
Two months later, at 6 months of age, most children in America then receive 7 vaccines, all administered at the same time:
 
1. Hepatitis B
2. Rotavirus
3. DTP
4. Hib
5. Pneumococcal
6. Polio
7. Flu
 
So, by 6 months of age most American children receive 19 vaccines through 3 visits to the doctor. (It’s worth noting that many kids also receive a birth dose of Hepatitis B, boosting this number to 20 vaccines.)
 
So, of the first 20 shots given to kids, how many have been studied for their relationship to autism?
 
ZERO.
 
But what about the 2, 4, and 6 month well-baby visits where children receive so many vaccines? The truth is they have never been studied or considered, so no one has any idea. This would be like trying to identify the source of a plane crash, suspecting mechanical failure, solely analyzing one of the wings, and then declaring the entire airplane free of culpability. But, that’s exactly what has happened….
 
But, you wouldn’t know that simple truth from reading Lisa Jo Rudy’s blog at About.com. Here’s what she says:
 
“And many, many studies make it clear that vaccines really couldn't possibly be the cause of an autism epidemic.”
 
Seeing a hungry lie in the making and being the polite guy that I am, I immediately responded to Lisa Jo with the following:
 
“…our kids get 36 shots. 2 (MMR) have been tested for their relationship to autism, 34 have not. Do you agree w/my point? If not, please provide evidence to the contrary…Perhaps if you were in my position you wouldn’t be so convinced by science that hasn’t even been done. The devil is always in the details. Anyone who asserts that all the work has been done to refute the vaccine-autism link is simply ignorant or repeating what others tell them. Which are you?”
 
To which Lisa Jo responded:
 
“you’re certainly correct that we don’t have a complete understanding of the impact of vaccines – or any other environmental/biological factor – on autism. A 1998 danish study does compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated children and suggests that MMR is not responsible for autism – but I don’t know whether you would consider that study to be definitive…I find it impossible to believe that vaccines can be blamed for an autism epidemic.”
 
To which I responded:
 
“As I said, the devils is ALWAYS in the details. I can’t tell you how many times people have incorrectly cited the NEJM Danish MMR study you refer to as looking at unvaccinated children, which it doesn’t remotely do. Your confusion is understandable, because they use the word “unvaccinated” in their study, but their definition of unvaccinated means the following: didn’t yet get MMR. This is my whole point about the devil being in the details. Worse, the autism rate of all the children in the NEJM study you cite was 7.7 per 10,000 vs. US rate of 100/10,000, making results somewhat hard to compare…This is my point about details. You are satisfied that a NEJM study looked at unvaccinated kids because of an understandable error in reading the work – are you still certain vaccines have been exonerated, or just hopeful they have?”
 
(Author’s note: even the studies that do look at MMR, only look at children who otherwise have been vaccinated. It’s not “MMR or no vaccines” it’s “all vaccines except MMR.”)
 
To which Lisa Jo responded:
 
“I don’t suppose ANYthing has been exonerated as a possible cause of autism in individual cases. But I am quite sure that the explosion of autism diagnoses is NOT attributable to vaccines. IMO, “autism” is a collection of disorders and differences. I am hopeful that we will discover a variety of causes for many different “autisms” over time. It may well be that, in some cases, prenatal and neonatal interventions are responsible.”
 
To which I responded:
 
“The sole study you cited was cited in error, as I pointed out. Exactly one vaccine, MMR, has been studied for its possible relationship to autism, yet children are given 6 vaccines at one time. Vaccines are known to cause brain damage. $2 billion has been paid out for vaccine injury. If there’s a more obvious ‘environmental trigger’ for all this autism, I’d welcome knowing what it is. The fact that you are ‘quite sure’ is not very convincing to me, because you’ve done nothing to refute my position that vaccines have barely been studied (2 of 36 shots). If vioxx were studied, does that make Viagra safe? Your logic, in my opinion, leaves much to be desired.”
 
And how did Lisa Jo respond to that?
 
With silence.
 
I found her false reassurances and ignorance so frustrating, I emailed her privately and gave her my cell number so we could discuss her misunderstanding of the science that has actually been done. And, guess what?
 
Crickets, I haven’t heard a word.
 
I even left an email address on her blog for anyone to send me a link to all the studies out there that exonerate the 34 of 36 shots that haven’t been looked at. No emails.
 
Folks, this is the hungry lie. This is why the other side’s hand is so weak. Lisa Jo seems like a nice enough person to me, but in this debate, with so much at stake, there is simply no excuse for ignorance if you are publicly, and falsely, trying to reassure parents.
 
Feed the hungry lie all you want, at some point the lie will die from over-indulgence.
JB Handley

Comments

Keith Richard Radford Jr

I remember living behind a church were Brian Lamb, and a bunch of these Cspan guys used too have a wood shop. At that place of residence my mom thought I needed an exorcist, after playing in the mud the way very young children will sometimes with my uncle who mixed a glass of this red clay in water and told me it was chocolate milk.

After drinking it as he would force me to do thing all the time like the time he made me cut off the limb I was sitting on and the device came out of my shoulder being more powerful and in control I broke out with ring worm all over my body and my mom told me it was writing that could not be understood so she had priests come in from the church.

I guess my Dad did not know that one of the people at the church was in line for being my new dad but that was not in the cards because I guess he felt I was in need of discipline after an accident in the wood shop. I had been check out on the band saw by my grandfather who was a millwright in Arkansas/Washington etc. and to do some jobs the blade shield had to be removed. Some kids came in and wanted to use the saw, then got mad that I wanted to warn them to put the guard on and they told me they owned it all and I was not to tell them anything, and after this head strong kid cut his thumb off the other kids said they would tell their fathers it was all my fault, but it was not.

I had a fever of well over a hundred and I was a bloody mess with the infection. The priests came in with outer guys and one had a camera. The priests would throw me across the room well the other snapped a picture. I would fall on furniture and the floor and they would tell me get on the bed, don't get off the bed very loud and when I would crawl back on the bed they would pick me up and throw me over and over again well the other priest would snap another picture and this went on till one guy said we have enough picture and they left me in the blood, mud, and bedding, then my aunt came in with some save that was for ring worm.

She spread the save and kidded me about dying when the rings got to my heart. After getting well I went back to the wood shop and the guys had made me a special shield and gave me my sword which were both made of wood and I had to fight one of the guys in my shorts because I did not want to remove them and the other guy was naked (he know who he is). I was still not up too speed and lost the battle. They then called me the bad guy and this group was supposed to be my gate keeper or something like that appointed by the priests. My Dad did not like them much also but that did not matter much because someone at the church was going to be my new dad till he said no, my mom cried allot, my dad was gone, I healed up, but I still have a case.

Please know that there is nothing any of you can do to make what you and the rest of the ones involved can do to make this my fault. See at the time I was about seven years old. Since then the church has made an effort to kill me, to the extent of trying to pass laws to kill sex offenders.

Come on, keep it up, keep pushing laws that you as a group of very said individuals know have no value. Take me too court so I can own a network. I have met with your staff members in private since along with military personal and others.

Now lets note when this happened I was only a small child being thrown around a room like a rag doll by people that started all this clear back in the late fifty's and the steering by very bad people that think abusing kids to make laws to stop abuse, Ha! these laws are bogus and the fact that they can not kill gays anymore does not justify the use of laws too kill someone set up by them to create some worthless set of laws by a fusion of church and state is wrong and realty designed by them to harm us all.

My case was pragmatic but more than that I know what was done and who was involved making vendetta laws that really have no bases in truth, and are based in lies.

Keith Richard Radford Jr

PSS don't be cowards, let me know you received this e-mail through a response.

It's time to communicate

Donna

This is the chance that a Rh Negative Mom who has received the RhoGam shot while pregnant having a child with Angelman Syndrome. 0.00050 percent. What are the chances I could find just ONE rhogam mom with a child with Angelman Syndrome? Yet, I have found numerous Moms that were injected with mercury via Rohogam and now have a child with Angelman Syndrome...including myself.


This is not just for Autism or Angelman Syndrome, this includes Retts, Lennox Gastaut Syndrome and many other neurological disorders. Look at the whole picture when you look at Rhogam Moms, how many were injected and now have disabled children?


We know Thimerosal causes DNA breaks, there is science that proves this...Yet, we are told its not possible for thimerosal to cause harm to a fetus?


OEHHA (Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assesment) reports;

"The scientific evidence that PMA and Thimerosal cause reproductive
toxcitity is CLEAR and VOLUMINOUS.

The evidence for its reproductive toxcitity includes severe mental
retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned
when thier mothers were exposed to ethylmercury or thimerosal while
pregnant."

JenB

I think that many, not just medical personnel, are invested in vaccination, especially AFTER having chosen to go that route with their own children.

I have family members who seem similar to Lisa, just accept this as a mysterious affliction, who knows why these things happen, look for the positive, and vaccines?, well I don't know about that, ... even if that might be a factor, vaccinations? aren't those, those are one of the greatest "scientific" achievements of the 20th century, ... well, even if that might play a, a role, vaccines have done so much good, ..., well you can't really blame yourself, you just have to do the best you can, ... (several months later) oh and the doctor gave me the flu shot yesterday and I think I'm starting to come down with the bug my husband has been fighting-- incidentally, he got his shot last week...your nephew seems delayed a little in speech ... oh, I have a scout in my den on a diet like that...so-and-so's fiancée has a son with autism...my son's prescription of Ritalin just ran out, got to make a trip to the pharmacy, the things we have to do now-a-days...my friend has started homeschooling her daughter because she has a form of ADHD, can't focus in a classroom...

This just doesn't work for me! !!!!

I still wonder, though, if my child had eventually started making the progress I was expecting due to others in my family and their similar early developmental history, would I have just kinda skimmed over the vaccine/environmental causation "talk" and never really learn anything from it (as best as I could possibly manage)?

Birgit Calhoun

MMR is a live vaccine. There are live measles, mumps and rubella strains in the injected liquid. If Thimerosal were used for this vaccine, the little buggers would die, and the vaccine would be rendered useless. That's why MMR vaccine doesn't contain Thimerosal. But because the tri-valent MMR vaccine is a live vaccine, the chances of something untoward happening during the manufacturing process is also much more likely. Dr. Wakefield points out in his book how some of the strains have changed over the years and why he recommends non-trivalent vaccines when it comes to measles, mumps, and rubella.

Birgit Calhoun

It made my blood boil when I read the Of-fit PR piece in USA Today Jan. 5, 2011: "2 new books challenge myths, fears about vaccines" (url below). Here is a quote from that piece:

"Before 2001, some vaccines contained thimerosal, a preservative made with ethyl mercury. But ethyl mercury, which is safe, is very different from methyl mercury, which is toxic." There is a lot more in this article that will be of interest. The paper copy is a little easier to read.

http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/health/medical/2011-01-06-vaccinemyths06_ONLINE_ST06_N.htm

GrammaKnows

The term antigen is being used selectively by vaccine promoters. Is anyone disturbed by the fact the term is bandied about in the GAVI specific definition as "An antigen is the active component of a vaccine. Antigens stimulate the body to produce antibodies that fight off disease.", rather than the true definition of antigen as "any molecule or molecular fragment that can be bound by a major histocompatibility complex (MHC) and presented to a T-cell receptor"? (The Immune System, 3rd Edition Garland Science)

The vaccine promotion industry is making a public pretense that antigens are ONLY something of human design incorporated into a vaccine formulation and that humans do not have any other access or exposure to activation of the immune system via the major histocompatibility complex. On the other hand, gastroenterology is very well informed that food proteins and anything the complex perceives as non-self will activate the response (much has been done on this re: celiac and mucosal lesions).

It irks the daylights out of me that they are being allowed to redefine medical terms for convenience sake. It irks the daylights out of me they are laughing all the way to the bank with this bold-faced lie, when in fact the vaccines are presenting viral components in a soup of food proteins and chemicals and have the necessary ingredients to trigger MHC in everyone to every single molecule of the solution.

I think if the public (and that includes for-hire talking heads) is to understand the nature of Dr Wakefield's (et al) work versus the claims of "safety", calling them out on the definition of antigen every time the term is used is a place to start.

Until the public understands the gut is not disconnected from the shot in the arm or leg, this 3-ring circus will continue unabated.

WILLIE

VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM

Nice thorough job JB. I saw you on Tv with Spitzer as well you were quite composed, best answer was "I don't want your sympathy I want the truth" well put.

We will have to beat the truth out of them as they have gone way to far down this one way street the wrong way and now they insist that the sign was pointing in their direction. They simply cannot admit that they are wrong as their credibility will be lost forever and ever, as it should be, and they just cannot fathom that.

For the record as a physician that is looking at the situation from a personal and scientific point of view in my opinion the vaccines cause autism by the viral antigens themselves and not just the thimerosal which is obviously a poison that should not be introduced into babies under any circumstances. However it is the imature and unprotected immune system that is disrupted by the viruses themselves and or passenger retroviruses. These antigens disrupt mutiple critical biochemical pathways such as the methylation pathway which is used for detoxification and once disabled leads to a build up of a number of heavy metals like cadmium, tin, lead, aluminum etc.

That viral link may be discovered soon through DNA sequencing and that is why the FDA allows the pharmacuetical companies to change vaccines contents without any notification so they can remove their passenger virus in a moments notice and claim that it was a contaminate.

They are not that smart , they are just evil


VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM

Benedetta

AutismDad in PA;
Wasn't it just last year that Offit's vaccine was found by just an off chance to have pig viruses in it? And it wasn't found by the FDA or NIH.

They can always claim anything and always will, but claiming and being the truth are two different things?

R

Thank you J.B.

michael framson

Nora, thanks for pointing out the Salon action. They say the errors in Deadly Immunity, "that went far in undermining Kennedy's exposé." If I am reading the "errors" correctly, some of which were Salon editing errors, not Kennedy's. In any event, these so called errors, are so trivial i.e. attribution errors and do not alter the fundamental indictment of Deadly Immunity, the heart of Kennedy's thesis. Salon is swatting at the flies surrounding the shit in the room from the elephants on a destructive rampage through our children's health.

Cynthia Cournoyer

Funny how "unvaccinated" means "didn't receive the MMR" not truly unvaccinated.

It seems the scientific community does not want to study any synergistic effect of multiple vaccines.

I'm wondering if anyone ever studied car safety? If a child is in a car that goes 100mph, is he safer than if he was in a car going 105mph?

A lesson in the absurd. It's high speed that is unsafe, not how much.

The point is, if one vaccine has EVER caused any problems whatsoever, then it MUST be concluded that adding them would be exponentially worse. But hey, I didn't study that.

Taximom

Autismdad in PA, I have exactly the same problem. The doctors I am friends with all spout "But there are way fewer antigens now than there were 30 years ago." And when I tell them that the antigens are not the problem, the preservative and adjuvants, the mercury and aluminum, are the problem, their eyes glaze over and they just look at me blankly.

I don't get it These are my friends; I know how intelligent, caring, and dedicated they are. Why can't they understand? Even my 12-year-old understands!

AutismDad in PA

I have a question. What do you say to those like Offit who claim that though there are more shots on the schedule, there is actually less volume of stuff (viruses/bacteria and other ingredients) in each vaccine

Gina

Nice job JB.

david burd

JB, An example of the hungry lie I saw on C-Span came from the lips of Dr. Thomas Insel now head of the IACC (Intra-agency Autism Coordinating Committee and past head of the Mental Health Division of NIH). This was about 9 months ago, more or less.

Insel made an elaborate statement to everybody including Senator Tom Harkins, head of a Congressional Committee meeting specifically to address autism.

I can almost quote Insel, but this is very close if not verbatim: he stated that virtually all child vaccines had greatly reduced their "antigen" quantity per dose (the actual number of pathogen particles of mumps in a mumps dose, for instance) - so therefore all these vaccines could not a cause of autism. He then further testified it would be waste of time to do further studies, and in particularly repeated the Big Lie that it was unethical to test two cohorts of vacc'ed and unvacc'ed kids.

Conveniently, of course, there was little if any discussion of all the other toxic ingredients, adjuvants, contaminants, foreign tissue antigens, mercury of various amounts, and much more.

JB, it reinforces your comments about only the vaccine-antigen(s) being taken out (but all the other crap left in) and thus (falsely) exonerating the vaccine dose in-toto.

Dr. Gary Null testified before the NY Legislature Health Committee on this exact topic in October 2009, citing how innumerable vaccine studies he had reviewed were all equally worthless for the same reasons.

nhokkanen

Lisa Jo Rudy talks to adults with the same type of false reassurance parents use when trying to convince little kids that their boo-boo's don't really hurt.

Nora

JB another crappy article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/what-drives-irrational-rhetoric-the-case-of-childhood-vaccinations/69291/

Benedetta

I done cancelled my subscription on my kindle, and on my mother's new kindle.

Maybe I will order it again, just so I can cancell it again.

Twyla

The odd thing is, although Lisa Jo says things like, "And many, many studies make it clear that vaccines really couldn't possibly be the cause of an autism epidemic," she also says elsewhere that we know that vaccines do cause some autism. Here in this article she says, "vaccines really do carry risks of real and significant injury". She actually posted an article a couple of days ago but then took it down the same day, in which she was more specific in saying that vaccines sometimes do cause autism, although she contined to say that there is no proof of an epidemic increase and that she does not believe that most autism is caused by vaccines (though she has no basis for this certainty since we don't have data on how often vaccines cause autism).

She does make the valid point that Dr. Wakefield's study is not the sole foundation for parents' fears, although she unfortunatly includes the words "no longer" in that sentence. Her title is good, "Wakefield's Study Just One Element in Autism-Vaccine Worries".

If you saw her prior article which she took down, it is interesting to compare it to this one. She is trying to stay on the fence, or in the middle of the road so to speak, yet she has elsewhere acknowledged that vaccine injury can cause autism. You wonder how much pressure she gets from her employer, although she says she is free to write what she wants.

Nora

what about this JB you need to go after this editor at Salon

http://www.salon.com/news/autism/index.html?story=/about/inside_salon/2011/01/16/dangerous_immunity

Infants make bad witnesses

2 month olds, 4 month olds and 6 month olds make bad witnesses.

Also, regarding obscuring responsibility and guilt, receiving more than one vaccine at a time has the same protective effect for vaccine manufacturers as it does for individual members of a firing squad.

kathy blanco

A study out of China today says that vaccines can cause a rare (cough cough) epileptic disorder. But it's not related to the vaccines, because it would have "happened anyways"....really? Really really? Are you thinking we are THAT stupid? And how many kids with autism have epilepsy, around sixty percent, if not highter? PLUEEZ.

Julie Obradovic

Adam,
JB put together a website called fourteenstudies.org that does just that. I have also written about them extensively here on Age of Autism. A quick google search here will point you to them. I hope you find it all helpful.
Julie

Adam M

@ 4bobby
Excellent, as always. I have to mention a minor point. The DPT and MMR are each actually THREE vaccines. One needle, maybe, but three vaccines thereby raising the number of vaccines...

And don't forget polio vaccine actually has 3 viral strains in it, to which your immune system has to make 3 separate antibodies . Prevnar7 has 7 strains of pnuemoccocal. Dr Sherri Tenpenny added it all up in her 2003 DVD on vaccines and don't recall the exact number but I belive it was around 70 antigens! Thats just the bugs not all the chemicals too. YIKES!

Adam M

Mr Handley,
Thank you once again for setting the record straight. I don't know if anyone has done this yet, and if they have could someone please point me to it, but it would be a helpful tool to have a single document that went through each of the "studies" that the anti-vaccine safety crowd touts and bullet point by bullet point demolishes them, like you just did to these MMR studies, and then demonstrates how solid the studies done like the primate one out of Pittsburg or the University of Calgary Hg/neuron degeneration study are. Evidence of Harm covers a lot of this but I'd like it condensed down and updated. Maybe there are too many "devilish details" to do that with out writing a book but maybe not.
Thanks again!

Jen

David Bird, I really appreciate what you're saying about the first vaccine starting at 10 months and being in oral form. It's no wonder that they (the pro-vaccine people) say, "well they are diagnosing autism at earlier points in their development."Duh, what with hep b at birth and then immediately into all the dpt's.

Benedetta

Lies, the trouble is there are small people that go to school and learn these lies from trusted institutions. Unless they are really smart people, or people that think for themselves - those that have the ability to look around to see what is happening to their fellow man they are clueless. AND THEN THERE AEE THE SURE ENOUGH LIARS:

I am in the middle of a book on the Gulf War Syndrome - called "Vac.A"

Just like they do in the private sector they also did on the military front.After they try these people are just crazy card, they then the genetic card they will finally Point their finger to something else like birth spacing, and busy highways.

For the Gulf War Syndrome they finally said the disorder (after crazy card, and genetic card) was from blowing up of a nerve gas storage area. They even got out wind charts and all that to show were the plume all went. The news media grabbed a hold that theory and forgot the vaccine stuff. Never mind that the front line soldiers that did not receive the vaccine had no problems or the citizens that lived in the area, or those soldiers from other countries other than British, Austrialia, and the US sufffered NOT these things.

Oh and never mind that they know exactly all the symptoms from mild to dead on nerven gas and those were different symptoms.

The truth was they had tried a new oil adjuvant, that had been tested years ago and deemed unsafe. They had even found that no oil was safe not; coconut oil, olive oil, oleomargerine - none. If was so bad that it was considered inhumane to innoculate lab aninmals with this stuff.

It also said that when getting ready for the Gulf War, the British at first used pertussis bacteria as an adjuvant in their newer anthrax vaccine. The pertussin as an adjuvant all by it's little self! What kind of bacteria is this bacteria that it could stimulate the immune system so, and give many of the same symptoms as this horrible oil?

Cheryl

I dropped posting on the About.com site when Lisa took it over. Up until then, we had been a huge group, openly talking about our children and the regression that had happened. I'll never forget the introduction Lisa and her husband did, stating while they didn't know everything about autism, they were parents and opened minded will to learn. they couldn't even answer a parents questions about chelation!! They didn't know what it was! About.com. has gone down hill from there. Shame on Lisa and her love of political correctness. Thankfully...we have Age of Autism now....phew...and the truth will set you free!!

Pamela

Lisa Jo is not ignorant. She continually misquote facts; receives a smack down; stands corrected and then returns to misquote the facts again and again.

Lisa Joe is an active and willing participant in feeding the hungry lie.

4Bobby

Excellent, as always. I have to mention a minor point. The DPT and MMR are each actually THREE vaccines. One needle, maybe, but three vaccines thereby raising the number of vaccines...

Carol

There was a Tea Party guy on Chris Matthews' _Hardball_ the other day. Matthews was talking about the prevalence of assassination in the US, comparing us to Europe. The Tea Party guy kept saying, "I disagree." When Matthews asked him to say which part he disagreed with the guy said, "Let me do some research!"

Rudy is like that guy.

david burd

JB, With your usual attention to detail you employ accurate history and data, thank you. And, as usual those who have swallowed the hungry lie just can't seem to take their ipecac and see in the toilet the vaccine poison they have vomited up.

May I repeat from your AoA Posting in August, 2008; your quote:

"But what about the 1970s? I've never been able to find a vaccine schedule before 1983, but you'd sure think my own experience would be at the extreme upper end of vaccines given to a child. Not only did I live in multiple foreign countries, but I was also part of the tight military healthcare system where mandatory doctor visits are part of any overseas travel protocol. They could never miss me!

So, here's my schedule.

To keep it simple, I am only listing my vaccines from birth to age 6 so I can compare it to today's schedule:

March 1970: Oral Polio
July 1970: Measles (Rubeola)
Sep. 1970: DPT
April 1974: Oral Polio
April 1974: Typhoid

That's it. I got 5 vaccines. Today's kids get 36 in the same time period. And, these are typical American kids who may never leave this country. I had lived in or visited nine countries, a number of them third world!

Notable that my first vaccine was given when I was 10 months old. Once, I got 2 vaccines in the same visit. Otherwise, they were a minimum of 4 months apart, and in some cases YEARS apart."

I would only like to add the dates of your shots:

Oral Polio: !0 months
Measles: 14 months
DPT: 16 months
Oral Polio: 5 years
Typhoid: 5 years

Final thoughts: At 10 months your polio dose was ORAL, not injected as has been done for many years now. By itself an injection with its toxic ingredients bypasses the gastrointestinal protections provided by nature.

By your second vaccination, your first shot (for measles), your 14 months maturity was far past just-born infant fragility. The Future will find all these injections into infants during their earliest months on Earth to be the biggest and harmful medical mistake ever perpetuated.

Dr. Josef Mengele's ghost must have coined the "well baby" visit.

The Ugly Truth

The trouble with Lisa Jo is that she pathologically wants everything to be nice, and it isn't. Perhaps she ought to contemplate, if she doesn't understand the science, the extent to which the public defence of the reputation of vaccines has depended on Brian Deer with his case loads of purloined confidential documents which no one is ever allowed to see, and which everyone is supposed to take his word over.

There is a lot to be said for niceness in everyday life but there are prices not to be paid.

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