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Transcription of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, Author of Callous Disregard, on Imus in the Morning

Callous AofA contributor Bob Moffitt was kind enough to transcribe Dr. Wakefield's appearance on the Don Imus program earlier in June. You can purchase Dr. Wakefield's book, Callous Disregard from Skyhorse Publishing, at online book retailers or order a signed copy through his website at Callous Disregard. Thank you, Bob.

Here it is:
The following is my amateur attempt to transcribe today's IMUS show with appearance by Dr. Andrew Wakefield.  I thought it worth transcribing .. especially towards end of interview.
Take special note of how IMUS phrases certain questions and compare his phrasing of questions to that of Matt Lauer recent interview of Dr. Wakefield.   You will find that Matt Lauer at times phrased his questions as accusations ... forcing Dr. Wakefield to defend himself against the allegations  ... while the questions IMUS asked on the same sensitive subjects .. allowed Dr. Wakefield to respond in his own words to the "question" .. rather than respond to the "accusation". 
Early introduction by IMUS about an hour before interview:
IMUS:  Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Diedre Imus will be on and he's got a book called "Callous Disregard".  This is about the autism situation, there's a pandemic of autism spectrum disorders...approximately 1 out of every 110 kids has an autism spectrum disorder of some sort, according to the CDC.  Parents of healthy kids are concerned, obviously parents of children diagnosed with autism want answers .. and .. we've talked about this throughout the years .. and .. we're going to talk about it again this morning, because Dr. Wakefield is an interesting fellow, controversial fellow and deserves at least to be heard in my view.  I'm having Mrs. Imus come down because I may not know all the questions to ask him .. many people believe there's a link between childhood vaccinations and autism.  No one though has apparently proven a link .. and .. no one has disproven one either .. which is as important.  Dr. Wakefield is right in the middle of it, they jerked his license for some reason and he's written a book.  They charged him with callous disregard of these kids, something he did and we need to find out what it is .. he'll tell us and then mercifully we'll never have to talk about it again.
IMUS:  Dr. Andrew Wakefield has written a book called "Callous Disregard", Autism and Vaccines, the truth behind the tragedy".  He joins us now from Austin, Texas, good morning Dr. Wakefield.
DR. W:  Good morning Don.
IMUS:    How are you?
DR. W:  I'm very well this morning, thank you very much.  A great day down here in Austin.
IMUS:  So, what do you do in Austin?
DR: W:  Well, I'm setting up a new initiative to coordinate research across a number of autism organizations .. to answer questions that federal agencies don't seem to want to address .. and .. that is "what's actually causing the epidemic, pandemic of autism worldwide".  So, that's my remit over the next five, ten years.
IMUS:  Okay.  Before we talk about your book, "Callous Disregard", let's pretend I don't know anything about any of this, which will not be much of a stretch, Dr. Wakefield.  What happened to get you to where we are now?
DR: W:  Well, what we did, Don, was...we did our job.  As physicians we listened to parents of damaged children, we listened to parents who had been previously ignored by the medical profession, largely ... kids who had received the vaccine, had been previously normal, who had regressed into autism .. and .. developed bowel problems.  We took this bowel problem seriously and we discovered a new bowel disease .. thanks to the parents  .. we then took the vaccine issue very seriously and investigated that as we should have done .. and .. I'm afraid ... calling into question the safety of vaccines is like killing the sacred cow.  And .. that caused us all kinds of problems.
IMUS:  So, you were practicing in London, right?

DR. W:  That's right.
IMUS:  Okay.  And .. a bunch of parents you were treating .. were these parents of children with autism?
DR. W:  That's right.  They'd been children who were born normal, had been normal for the first two years of life .. and .. they, sometime in the second year of life, they received a vaccine .. and .. in many cases, they then lost their skills, speech, language, interaction with their siblings and peers .. and .. had become autistic.  And I said "look, I know nothing about autism, because, when I was at medical school it was so rare, how could I possibly help?"  They said "Well, my kid has terrible bowel problems, diarrhea twelve times a day, bloating, pain, banging their head against the wall, so on and so forth".
IMUS:  What vaccination .. was this one particular vaccination or a series of them .. or what?
DR W:  It was difficult to say.  In the U.K. .. what seemed to be the triggering factor was the MMR vaccine they received at around 12 - 15 months.
IMUS:  What does MMR mean?
DR W:  Measles, mumps and rubella, it's a combination vaccine of three live viruses.
IMUS:  Okay, now was there something contained in this vaccine that triggered the autism, like thimerosal or what?
DR W:  The live viral vaccines do not contain thimerosal, however, you are quite right to bring attention to it because the vaccines that children receive in advance of getting the MMR vaccine, starting on day one of life in this country, in the 1990's, contained the mercury preservative thimerosal .. of course that can have a ... it's a powerful toxin, it can damage the immune system, it can damage the brain .. and .. so .. the question "Is it a combination of vaccines that children receive culminating in, for example, an MMR vaccine at 15 months that just tips them over the edge.  Now, we just don't know .. but .. that is a very reasonable hypothesis .. it's consistent with what we know about these toxins .. and .. it is certainly something that has to be investigated .. which has not to date been adequately investigated. 
IMUS:  We are talking with Dr. Wakefield, from Austin, Texas.  His book is entitled "Callous Disregard" .. so .. you haven't actually established whether there is, well you just said .. whether there's a definitive link between the development of autism and these vaccines .. is that correct?
DR. W:  That is correct.  At a scientific level, we are still seeking to find that evidence.
IMUS:  So, you wrote a paper that was published in Great Britain .. a medical journal in Great Britain .. what medical journal was that?
DR W:  It was in the Lancet .. a well known and widely read medical journal.
IMUS:  That's kind of like .. what would it be comparable to here in this country?
DR W:  It would be comparable to the New England Journal of Medicine.
IMUS:  Okay, your paper said what?
DR. W:  The paper was a very simple paper.  It simply reported the history of the children according to their parents .. so .. it made no claims, except for the fact that we had observed a new bowel disease in these children.   Whereas they had gone uninvestigated in the past .. the claims of the parents about the diarrhea and pain .. had not been taken seriously .. when we did our job .. when we took that seriously .. when these children were investigated by my clinical colleagues, we found a bowel disease.  And .. it was treatable .. and .. it made the lives of these children very much better.
IMUS:  So, when the Lancet published this, was it implicit in their publishing this .. were they endorsing your theory?
DR W:  No, they were merely putting a new idea out there, as any journal should do .. and .. this idea was really to generate a new hypothesis to investigate the cause of these problems.  To seek confirmation of the mechanism of what was going on and to provide a treatment.  A treatment target .. for these children, a much kinder treatment target for children who had been historically, largely, ignored.
IMUS:  So, later they felt compelled to do what about your article?
DR. W:  Well, when they .. when the vaccine issue blew up, at the behest of a free-lance journalist who concocted a most extraordinary story around it, claiming that the paper in the Lancet was paid for by lawyers .. which it was not .. not a single penny of money from lawyers went to pay for that paper .. it was simply a clinical paper .. based upon clinical findings .. then, the Lancet decided at that stage .. in order to distance themselves .. in order to put clear blue water between them and the contentious issue of the MMR vaccine causing autism .. then they argued that we should retract .. or at least partially retract the paper.  That is, the interpretation that vaccines cause autism.  We never made that claim in the paper .. so .. it was logically impossible to retract it.
IMUS:  So, the criticism you .. we are talking to Dr. Andrew Wakefield .... a complicated, confusing story and it's been a raging debate in this country over whether there is, in fact, a link between thimerosal, which is a neurotoxin, mercury contained in vaccines .. whether there is a link between that and the development of autism. Anyway, back to your story, so the criticism of you, then, because subsequently in Great Britain, they jerked your medical license.  Is that right?
DR W:  They did.  And what happened to me was really the way in which science, medicine and the establishment has dealt with dissent for years, and years, and years.  There's nothing new about it.
IMUS:  Why did they tell you there were doing that?
DR W:  They did it on a series of charges.  Saying we conducted unethical experimentation on these children .. we did not.  We diligently and appropriately investigated their clinical symptoms, the children were not experimented on .. they were investigated because they were sick and because they had presenting bowel symptoms and neurological symptoms.  They were investigated by one of the best medical teams in the world and the Founding Father of Pediatric Gastroenterolgy .. and .. how we had people on the panel who had no expertise in this whatsoever .. trying to second guess the opinion of the world's leading doctor and his medical team. 
IMUS:  There had to be some agenda on their part, right?
DR. W:  Well, I'm afraid after reading their decision .. I came to the conclusion, the clear, clear and unambiguous conclusion .. that the decision had been taken in advance of us even presenting evidence.  That this was the conclusion they were going to come to, that we were guilty .. and .. that came from pressure I'm quite sure .. from the government and elsewhere. 
IMUS:  Was there a controversy surrounding how you conducted the examination of children?
DR W:  Yes.  I should (inaudible)...I did not examine any of the children .. I performed no tests, I was not acting in a clinical capacity at the time.  This was done by a multi-disciplinary clinical team of highly experienced physicians who did it because the children were ill.
IMUS:  The story we hear about blood being taken from kids at a birthday party .. where did that come from, what's that all about?
DR. W:  Right.  Now that did happen.  These were my children.  It was my son's birthday party and we needed some blood to compare with the blood of other children .. of the autistic children.   We needed healthy children and in hospitals you don't get healthy children.  So, I asked my children .. my wife said "Yes, we have a birthday party coming up, we have some medical friends, let's ask them if they'd be happy to do it as well".  So, a fully qualified practitioner .. not myself .. with fully informed parental and child consent.  This is the key.  The essence of ethical medical practice is fully informed consent.  And, that is what we had.  It did not have ethical approval .. and .. that was naive on my part, that does not make it unethical.  It was entirely ethical, there were no complications, everbody was happy .. and .. the tests were done properly.
IMUS:  Here's what jumps out at me .. if we're having a birthday party, I'm thinking .. why don't we play "Pin the Tail on the Donkey" rather than turn the kids into lab-rats over at the hospital.  I mean .. that's just ... maybe that's just old cynical me, you know.
DR. W:  My kids know what I do.   They know what I do.  The kids with autism come to visit us, they what its all about .. they are more than happy to contribute to this.  This is their contribution .. and .. I'm proud of them for it.
IMUS:  See, if you're not saying what appears to make big pharma and these other people hysterical .. if you're not saying there's a definitive link between these vaccines and autism .. and .. that there simply needs to be more research and investigation .. and .. at some point a definitive link established or not established .. then I don't understand why you've become so controversial, unless .. they're just entirely misrepresenting what you've done?
DR. W:  Well, Don, what I'm trying to put forward is a "safety first" vaccine agenda.  Safety first .. who could argue with that?  Putting safety as the priority when you're vaccinating healthy children worldwide.  For the most important thing, Don, even though I don't have the evidence scientifically .. the U.S. Vaccine Court .. has ruled since 1991 that vaccines can cause autism.  They have been settling cases in the country of vaccine induced autism since 1991.  So, the government on the one hand is saying one thing --there is no link .. and .. on the other hand -- is paying out for vaccine induced autism.  And, that is deception.  The American people need to know that .. and .. the American public, if there's one message they need to take away from this is to "think critically about vaccines".  Do not take what your doctor says or what the CDC says as fact, get informed.  Think critically about vaccines.
IMUS:  Implicit in that, at lease one could infer, and, parents do .. because they are naturally so protective of their children, one would hope is .. "it sounds like it's anti-vaccine" while you are not.  Right?
DR. W:  Not at all.  Not at all .. absolutely .. and .. the book makes it absolutely clear.
IMUS:  But you can see it sounds that way?
DR: W:  It does .. but .. what it is in fact doing .. is putting "safety first".  That is it .. safety first.  And, no one could argue with that.  When you are going to give millions of children around the world .. all these vaccines .. then you need to be absolutely certain what you are doing is safe.  Because the long term consequences are absolutely unknown .. because the safety studies have not been done .. and .. I have researched those safety studies in exquisite detail and they are appalling.   I have to say that, they are appalling.  I wish I had done them before I vaccinated my own children.
IMUS:  We are talking with Dr. Andrew Wakefield about the controversy that produced his book "Callous Disregard".  Well, they jerked your medical license in Great Britain .. did they in this country as well?
DR. W:  No, I'm not licensed in this country, Don, all I did here was to conduct the research .. and .. I will continue to do that.
IMUS:  To Deirdre
DEIRDRE IMUS:  Hi, Dr. Wakefield .. it's Deirdre Imus.  Your research .. has it been replicated?  By other scientists?
DR. W:  Yes, thank you for that question.  This has been a common contention -- that no one else has been able to replicate our finding.  The finding .. the key finding .. the initial study in the Lancet .. was a bowel disease.  That has now been replicated in five different countries .. Italy by Dr. _______", Venezuela by Dr. Gonzalez, the U.S. by Dr. Krigsman and by Dr. Chen and Dr.______ in Canada.  So it has been replicated around the world and the notion that the bowel disease, the principle finding in that initial study has not been replicated is false .. and .. a deception again of the American people.
IMUS:  Back to that birthday party, when you were taking the blood were you in a clown outfit?
DR. W:  In fact Don, I wasn't even in the room.  I was outside organizing a game of mini-rugby.
DEIRDRE:  There's so many different pharmaceutical companies that make the MMR vaccine .. do you think all forms of the MMR pose a risk for children?  You know, is there a certain brand?
DR. W:  A very good question.  In the U.K. we had two brands .. out of three that were introduced .. that had to be withdrawn for safety reasons.  This whole thing was hushed up.  The vaccine was causing meningitis .. so .. two out of three brands were causing meningitis .. answers your question.  The third brand, the Merck brand .. did not have that problem .. so .. yes, there is a difference between brands and their safety profile.  With respect to the autistic problem .. we do not know .. and .. that is something that clearly needs thorough investigation.
DEIRDRE:  What do you see for the future of vaccines?
DR. W:  The emphasis on vaccine safety policy first.  We must give children safe vaccines.  They must be as safe as they can be .. and .. this isn't just a new notion, there's a Congressional mandate to produce safer vaccines.  What we need to do .. can I just say .. Don .. a comparison of fully vaccinated versus unvaccinated children.  That is a study the authorities do not want to do .. it's absolutely essential .. it should have been done.  There should be baseline studies .. comparing the health outcome .. both short and long term .. of fully vaccinated versus unvaccinated children .. and .. clearly .. we need to look at the schedule.  Not just individual vaccines .. but .. the safety of the schedule, what children actually get in the real world.
IMUS:  There was also a criticism that you had your own vaccine .. something to replace the MMR .. or .. am I off base here?
DR. W:  No, that's absolutely right.  It was an allegation by the same journalist, which really goes to prove that a very little knowledge can be a very, very dangerous thing.  What the medical school had was a patent .. not me .. the medical school had a patent to treat persistent measles virus infection.  In other words -- if you had a child -- because their immune system was weak .. could not get rid of the virus .. say from the vaccine .. and .. it hung around in the body, causing disease .. then, there was a patent on an over-the-counter nutritional supplement called "Transfer-factor" which helps boost the immune system and get rid of the virus.  That is what the patent was for.
IMUS:  Well, here's my observation, not that you've asked me .. but .. knowing a little bit about this .. if everything you say is true .. and .. if these in fact, are the facts .. it doesn't make any sense what's happened to you.
DR. W:  I'm afraid Don, it's just the way the system deals with dissent.  Isolate, discredit and discourage the others.
IMUS:  I understand that .. I mean, if you were a complete, total wack-job .. making all these charges .. I could understand ... but ........
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Benedetta, my daughter shares a similar background,high sed rates, and horrible reactions to dtp, then later to td (doc blamed the pertussis for her violent fevers so dropped it off of her age 18 mo. and 5yr boosters). She had neutropenia after mmr booster and wasn't allowed to go to school, the pediatrician thought she was too vulnerable to infection. She has not had hepb,hpv, or flu vaccine, she will not get a booster for td, I use "religious objection" for school, and when I'm no longer allowed I will move. My two youngest, I thought by waiting I would dodge the "bullet", NO, my six year old got his first vaccines at 2 1/2 and is now an asthmatic with exzema and articulation problems, the baby has no vaccines and helps the six year old in labeling items he picks up, like this morning I overheard the baby tell him, "it's not a flipper, it's a spatula". The baby just turned 2 1/2. Is there a difference between him and the other five!! A HUGE difference! I believe Wakefield as well, however, I believe there are toxins , often the same ones,such as phenol,mercury,formaldehyde in our environment as well as in our vaccines.It could be possible that some are poisoned by different routes or combined ones.


I suppose that yard chemicals could play a part in it all. If not personally then there is always the chance of visiting somewhere that did like golf ranges, relatives, churches, stores - endless list.

But in my family's case - as Dr. Wakefield says in his book "Callous Disregard", my family was rechallenged again and agin with the DPT shot for both of my kids and they reacted to that each time.

My husband after receiving no effects from mumerous tetanus shot in his teen years at age 28 had seizures after receiving a tetanus shot at work. He was "rechallenged" again at age 34 and took four years to get a dignosis of an acquired mitochondria myopathy.

So were we finished with vaccines?

Oh no, my daughter had a Hep B all three of them two years ago. She had not hat that one as a child. By her third one she had returned stiffnes, high Sed rates, High reactive protein. Not done yet: flu shot last fall, and what does she have now bipolar and seizures.

Not on either side of our family untill recently has there been anything like this. Rheumatoid artherisis was about it???


Benedetta, it's very difficult to "pull" information from KS mothers, I've tried, I sent out questionaires for a couple of years, I was convinced there was nothing in the "rug shampoo" story, but I found that rug shampooing "did" often appear , but then so did chem lawn, making me think that it wasn't really the rug shampooing but the aerosolization of lawn chemicals that are dragged in on shoes,becoming part of the humidity in the house after shampooing. Then the shots, because many of the kids are between two and five, awww..one little boy died of multiple aneurisyms five days after his dpt at age 7 months diagnosis at autopsy Kawasaki, it was hard to pinpoint any one shot because in most cases the kids had multiple shots at one visit. Mmr in one leg as example and hib in another. Kawasaki may be a good example of how endocrine disrupters such as organophosphate pesticides, followed by vaccine could be a two punch needed to create disease. When the Travolta child died, and his parents said it was from Kawasaki, while obvious to all that he had autism, it was ignored by many as "they were mistaken", I don't believe it was a mistake at all.


Bababa J;


This is going to sound silly, but right after my daughter reacted to her last DPT shot at five years old (Kawasaki's at 2), I had the most vivid dream that I had taken my daughter to the peds and had allowed them to do a hysterectomy on her. I woke up crying, and never forgot it. Wether it was God preparing me, or the human mind that had picked up something subconcious - but it was not an ordinary dream.

I am sure that this too is not officially associated with Kawasaki's disease by the powers that be.


Patron99, there is passion, there is "enough" money, however, one only need look at Wakefield to understand the message from pharm/gov is clear, "don't touch our agenda"!
Benedetta, my only daughter is my Kawasaki child, coincidence in that she started at age 11 with a burst ovarian cyst ,trips for sonograms, hormones, heavy bleeding. Is this typical for today's young girls in a toxic world, or is this the result of KS? I don't know?


Vaccine administered at the wrong time, damaging hypothalmus and pituarity gland at an important development phase! Well!

My daughter has something wrong with her menstral cycle, once she started she would not stop and has taken hormone pills she turned 13 years old. The gynocologist said it was caused by an immature pituarity gland and he was confident that some day it would mature.

Well she is 28 and it still has not matured.


Patron 99;
I know they could find the exact mechanism if only there was interest, money, passion, determination.

Why it is lacking is a mystery.

Is it a heavy metal that can't get out of the body?
Is it a mitrochondrial disruptor that is still wondering about in the body and also can not be expelled.
Is it an damaged immune system left in the wake of heavy metal/mitochondrial disruptor/zeta clotting episode?

What is the mechanism of inflammation, indeed?


Patron99..I hope you don't mind my putting in my two cents. I believe that among the mercury proven illnesses, such as acrodynia, the incidence was rare, affecting approximately .20% of those that used the powders. The tests were simple and disclosed a salt imbalance, along with disrupted hormones. The maturation process may in itself be protective ,yet giving vaccines at birth may in some way prevent this normal process of maturation involving hypothalumus/pituitary/adrenal glands by adding immune stress. These shots may, just may, keep some children from achieving hormonal balance thus creating an "underlying mitochondrial" disease in addition to upsetting the natural mechanism by which the body eliminates toxins. Clearly the numbers are far too high to consider genetic predisposition.We read that the chances of autism are three times higher in hep b at birth boys, it's time to really consider more than genetics. Again, we look at numbers of 1 in 100 children affected by autism, that number does not tell us how many affected "vaccinated" children. Autism is likely a very small part of the total damage that we have put "into" our kids.


Wow! Amazing comments. I can't help myself...got to jump back in. Let's do an exercise in hypothesis generation.

If we hypothesize that ALL jabs in the pediatric and adult vaccination schedules are to blame for the epidemic in autoimmune disease, what might the underlying mechanism(s) entail?

There is presently a great need in the area of vaccine safety to start generating hypotheses and testing them. Before medical school, I used to label biomolecules and study them spectroscopically. I believe that the technologically exists to prove the mechanisms by which the vaccination schedules are poisoning us by means of cummulative, synergistic toxicity.

How about a scenario suggested by Drs Moulden, Hartman, and others, that the various ingredients of the jabs lower the zeta potential of blood, cause sludging of blood, clotting, microvascular ischemia, infarctions, and cell death, where there is involvement of non-specifically activated macrophages via stimulation of our innate immune systems, recruited to the site by inflammatory cytokines?

I hope that you have all seen the video of live microscopy titled, "How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration".


Every single one of our legislators ought to view this video. Aluminum adjuvants have similar neurotoxic effects.


This is real science, not "junk" science!


Cherry Misra, In the US we are far too likely to take the word of our physicians, and they are "under the influence" of pharms. Yes they treat it here with IVIG , and aspirin.
Benedetta, I so wish that were true, that there would be no later ill effects, yet I have discussed this with mothers of older children, one needed a coronary bypass at age 12, another suffered MI while giving birth at 21. Some see their young adults with high bp's and beginnings of PAD and atherosclerosis. The symptoms of the disorders, crohn's , kawasaki, autism, acrodynia,do seem to have overlapping features, the gi issues, the skin rashes, the uveitis, perhaps they all are mercury issues.


Glad to hear from you Cherry.
Yeah, Kawasaki's looks just like Pinks disease cause the kids that have it is all pink.

Pink rash, pink eyes, really dark pink - strawberry tongue and lips.

But once again officially there is no known cause of Kawasaki's.

Cherry Sperlin Misra

With regards to Kawasaki Disease, I think there is very little doubt that it has a relationship to mercury. I was able to say to a pediatrician in New Delhi , who has a large practise and works in a large hospital, "I imagine you saw a sudden rise in KD about 9 years ago" He nodded yes. So what happened ten years ago in India ? That is when the Indian Pediatric Association changed the pediatric vaccine schedule from three or 4 mercury-laden vaccines to 9 mercury laden vaccines by age 6 months.
I too have tried to contact KD websites in the US. I guess I made a mistake in mentioning mercury, because no one ever responded.
Mercury has a wide variety of effects on the human body. It can damage blood vessels and it is an immunotoxin. I am told by doctors here (in Delhi) that KD responds very well to gamma globulin.


The MOMS are the (only ones) noticing easily frustrated,and OCD, apparently!

Ain't that frustrating in to itself?

Easily frustrated turns into depression "at least in mine" and apparently from hearing from older patients mine is not the only one.

OCD! Opps I forgot that major one. Mine too has OCD.

So, once again "OCD" is not officially recognized as being caused by Kawasaki's "disease."

Officially Kawasaki's disease burns itself out and all the boo-boos are better.

Years later the doctors look at the mother as she suggest once upon a time, long, long ago there was once a terrible Kawasaki's disease and this Mom can't let go of the past. Never mind the disease has been there lurking around in the above and below symptoms that officially does not exist.

Seems like if not for the attention to the heart the guys researching Kawasaki's disease would be batting (0), ZERO, goose egg, nothing. Long term job security is what you call that.


There are many Moms of KS kids (note they changed it to disease because they really don't want another "syndrome) who recognize behavioral changes in our children, especially ocd and frustration tolerance,and we all know the peripheral arteries took a "hit" because our children are in pain. Interesting in this comment....."it looks like acute mercury hypersensitivity"

Efforts to associate Kawasaki disease with exposure to drugs or to such environmental pollutants as toxins, pesticides, chemicals, and heavy metals have failed, although clinical similarities between Kawasaki disease and acrodynia (mercury hypersensitivity) are notable.


Age of Autism does not worry so much about heart issues but whole body issues including GI trouble.

If you go to the Kawasaki's website, their main concern over there is the heart, the heart, and the heart.

They never discuss, talk, think, respond,blog, return comments or anything else when the discussion turns to brain injury, or stroke

Even though every one of the older patients says they have problems with depression, it is not considered as part of Kawasakis???? Depression is not officially listed as a problem they just advise everyone to watch that heart,make sure you get those check ups every two to three years on that heart for the rest of your life. If you can find a doctor that takes it seriously.

Occasionlly GI trouble is mentioned at the Kawasaki's disease site, but that too is not officially part of Kawasaki's and probably just a concidence.

What about the leg aches/muscle aches that the kids complain of (which they all have) well again nothing official about it is listed on the Kawasaki's disease, but maybe since this does seems long term just maybe this should be looked into, but meanwhile leg/muscle pain is not officially caused by Kawasaki's disease but keep getting that heart checked out.

Well how do you get it checked out?
EEG is good enough, but a lot of people writing in are saying the EEG are catching nothing. It is chest pains that leads to heart caths and then they find blockage of blood vessels leading to the heart. Some of them are showing problems with the left ventricle if they are lucky enough to find a doctor that will look.

what ever effects the brain affects the heart and whatever effects the heart affects the brain.


Oops! - Mia culpa for the incomplete attribution in my comment to this post. The credit for the transcript goes to AofA contributor Bob Moffit. Bravo, Mr Moffit, Dr Wakefield, Imus, and AofA. This is still a free country, isn't it? Where would we be without the internet and respectful dissent? A police state? Hmmmm.


Wonderful post! Thank you, Mr Olmstead. Dr Wakefield is a hero. BTW, I might be interested in joining his initiative to coordinate research on autism, although I would probably have to give up my daytime job to do so.

When medical historians look back upon the times in which we live, who do we think will be remembered and why? Wakefield? Moulden? Bhakdi? Offit? From where I stand, there is no doubt who will be remembered. Moreover, I would not be surprised if there are several Nobel prizes to be awarded in this area. Their work directly impacts many crucial aspects of public health and safety.

A possible point in which I disagree with Dr Wakefield, is that he appears to favor taking a nuanced approach to vaccine safety. Yet he acknowledges that live vaccines do not contain organomercurials. If one theorizes that mercury has a causal relationship to autism, does that not implicate much of the pediatric vaccine schedule? I would suggest that the toxicity of all jabs may be cummulative and synergistic. I would also argue that there is likely to be more than one mechanism of toxicity involved in both the pediatric and adult vaccination schedules.

IMHO - We should not take a nuanced approach to vaccine safety. I know that I might be setting myself up for criticism. I pray that the mainstream medical establishment and VAXER apparatchiks don’t start to marginalize me, as they have done to Drs Wakefield and Moulden. Let science do the talking, not ad hominum attacks designed to silence respectful dissent. BTW - the views expressed in my comment are solely opinion. They are not intended as medical advice, nor should they be construed as such.

See an article titled “Evidence Vaccine aluminum linked to autism and other neurological disorders” by Ronan James on February 10, 2008.


Aluminum adjuvants and organomercurials (e.g., thimerosal) are neurotoxins and no amount of bluster, misinformation, and hyperbole by the VAXERS will ever change this fact. I fear that we are literally being poisoned by the pediatric and adult vaccination schedules. An equally great concern, apart from the known toxicity of these metals, is the largely unknown risk of “adventitious presence” of biotech-enhanced events in currently marketed vaccines. Is there risk of horizontal transfer of non-human DNA into the human genome by means of the vaccination schedules?


Finally, just in case any of you missed it, we have been already put on notice, by Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, that there may be substantial unappreciated cardiovascular risks with mass vaccination programs.


Autism Grandma

"IMUS: I understand that .. I mean, if you were a complete, total wack-job .. making all these charges .. I could understand ... but ........"

That Imus has his own special brand of making a point. HAAAAAAAAA!!! His wife should receive alot of credit for educating him and he should receive credit for listening to his wife.

Thank you Bob for transcribing all this for us. I missed this and a friend called to tell me what a great interview it was so now I can see why he said that. It was a great interview because it was a FAIR interview instead of the slanted accusatory interviews that have been set up by mainstream media to support the vaccine propaganda.

BRAVO to Dr. Wakefield and BRAVO to Imus and Dierdre!!!


Thanks so much for this transcription!


Great job! Thanks for transcribing! And thank you to Dr. Wakefield... By the way, I hope any vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study will include children in the 1990s who got the full load of mercury. Doing it present day won't be quite the same thing...


This is all a terrible injustice , he said always talk to the parents listen to the parents and always examine the child , is this really a Dr who only cares about money and making a name for himself NO NO NO you will someday fly above this injustice , and be recognised for the wonderful caring Dr that you are


So an NIH/FDA study which affirmed an association between chronic fatigue syndrome and a retrovirus, xmrv, will not be published (apparently at the request of the CDC) while a CDC study of questionable methodology finding no such association was published today. Anyone smell a rat?


Though we'll probably never know what the NIH/FDA study says, here's a partial description:


No Dan, you are not alone - I think it is great that Matt interviewed Dr. W., as I don't see many others in the MMM lining up to do so. Journalists are supposed to ask hard questions and the Dr. responded to them brilliantly.


Wakefield is an ethical man in an era where greed and power are the sole survivors. He's a bit soft on the actual dangers, giving benefit of doubt as to safety, when no benefit actually exists. A bit reminiscent of the book" Unsafe at any speed".Indeed these vaccines are unsafe at any dose given at any age. We fail to count the alzheimers, the disabilities, the deaths that occur in the aged . I have seen healthy adults who were never part of a vaccine program succumb to horrible autoimmune diseases and death after their docs forced them into late life dt and flu shots. I'll never forget Nader's comment describing GeorgeW as.." a giant corporation disguised as a human being", there are many ,many more like GW assigned to push forward agendas for the powerful, they are in front of most media cameras,and behind most journals, and news in this country. They are the pharms as well, that provide the information in the form of fraudulent studies to sway our court system, and put dangerous drugs and vaccines in the hands of docs that were trained to have faith. There is a huge need for reform.


I'm reading _DPT: A Shot in the Dark_ by Harris L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher. I read it when it first came out in 1985, but that was before the current uproar about vaccines.

This time the arguments and tactics that were used to attack critics of the whole-cell pertussis vaccine are very familiar. The adverse effects of that vaccine are now acknowledged, but at the time those who pointed out problems were (hysterical) mothers, "ignorant" journalists and "bad" scientists. Sound familiar?

The book is out of print and your library probably doesn't have it (mine didn't), but you can still buy it used.

dan olmsted

Thanks Bob. It's always great to read Andy's clear, calm and convincing discussion of what really happened and what's going on right now. The fact he plans to spend the next five to 10 years digging into the science that needs to be done is certainly the silver lining in this ugly cloud over mainstram medicine. On Matt Lauer, I know I'm in the minority here but I think the fact he interviewed Andy, on the very day his license was pulled, is itself interesting.


Thanks, Bob, Nice to be able to read what was said.

I saw the Dr. Wakefield interview with Matt Lauer, and the questions were accusations, which I am sure Matt was paid well to ask in that manner.

Big Pharma defends itself with two basic methods, "shrug and play stupid" (the CDC, IACC & AS) or the "witch hunt procedure" used by the GMC of the UK.

Saw a short local story here on the tossing of a bunch of H1N1 vaccine, will try to find a link.

kathy blanco

wonderful, I love it Dr W...and here is a hummm statement? FDA and NIH found the XMRV virus, but not the CDC? Well well well...let's investigate shall we, the lead author also denied that the MMR vaccine is contaminated with retroviruses (switzer)...seems the guy is protecting the vaccine program at all cost even if it will infect twenty million people! Hold on to your hats folks, it's going to be a bumpy ride! Lots of studies coming by end of year.

Whittemore Peterson Institute Statement regarding
Centers for Disease Control XMRV Study
Contrary to the WPI study published in Science in October, 2009, as well as studies done by
others, including the NIH and FDA, Mr. William Switzer of the Centers for Disease Control reported
that his research team was unable to detect XMRV in CFS patient samples. This negative finding is in
contrast to the WPI study in which we detected XMRV in 67% of CFS patient samples.
To correctly replicate scientific studies it is imperative that researchers use the same methods
and patient criteria to ensure accurate results. The methodology used by the CDC was not the same as
that used in the WPI study nor was the patient selection criteria. In September 2009, WPI sent the CDC
twenty confirmed positive samples and the appropriate methodology to help them develop a clinically
validated test. However, this team chose not to do this.
Until researchers use clinically validated tests to detect XMRV in patient samples, as WPI
and their collaborators have successfully done, an accurate association of XMRV to any diseased
population cannot be made. For this reason, WPI researchers and many others are currently validating
more sensitive clinical assays to assist federal agencies in their search for the true prevalence of XMRV
in the human population.
WPI will continue its core mission to deliver answers to patients with neuro-immune diseases
by supporting the development of accurate diagnostics and providing effective therapeutics and clinical


Most appreciated Bob! I missed the interview and am so glad I was able to read the transcript.

The history on Transfer Factor is fascinating. I had no idea of its origin.

We are very fortunate to have Don and Deidre to present the other side of the story and for Dr. Wakefield for standing his ground.

Theresa O

That's a great transcription, Bob. I didn't get to listen to the show, and I really appreciate your posting that online.

I just finished Wakefield's book a few days ago, and what strikes me most of all is that when the government and industry want to tell the same story (even if it's a lie), then no one can stop them. Wakefield's point-by-point explanation of each issue (conflict of interest, ethical approval, sequential referral, etc.) shows that the GMC ignored evidence selectively in order to discredit Wakefield.

I saw in the news this week that the EPA performed a very limited test on Corexit and announced that it's just fine to use this dispersant in the BP oil spill cleanup efforts. Well, since the EPA has permitted Corexit's use for weeks now, what else would we expect them to find? We'll probably never know the truth about how toxic Corexit is, whether there are preferable alternatives, etc. Thank God for people like Wakefield who voice their dissent, at great personal cost, when the victims of government and industry callousness are children.

Jim Thompson

Well done Bob.

And Don and Deidre Imus conducted an excellent interview.

The basic tenet by Dr. Wakefield is “safety first” for the millions of children that receive vaccines.

The tenet by the British government clearly is “profits first” for Pharma.

The consequence is that children have no safety from the risks of lifelong disabilities from vaccine injuries.

And equally alarming is the fact that Dr. Wakefield’s position is considered dissent!

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