They have hidden Thimerosol in so many over the counter products and they still put it in vaccines given to children. They know this product is a poison that can attack people in many different ways. You can be a patient for life. I have read the Simpsonwood transcript and many of the related emails. This is not theory, this is a conspiracy!

@Daluva

A study is unethical if it's design, methods or findings are based on or utilize outright lies, half truths, falsified data or if relevant data is omitted or skewed on purpose. There are plenty of vaccine safety studies that have been done that are unethical - you can read about 14 of them at www.fourteenstudies.com.

Conducting a vax vs. un-vax study is not unethical. In fact conducting such a study is the most ethical thing that could be done. It is the gold standard study that would give the ultimate scrutinous look at the vaccine safety debate.

Such a study is the most ethical one to conduct because thousands of parents have reported serious health deterioration and inception of chronic illness in their children immediately following vaccines. These parents want and deserve answers. Society owes it to them and their children as well as to parents of healthy children everywhere. To do the study is ethical. To not do the study is unethical.

As for the ethics of vaccinating or not vaccinating - the most ethical position our society can have is a public policy of informed consent with highly flexible and widely available parental and personal choice. Vaccines carry a risk of permanent disability or death. Therefore, vaccinations must be always be an optional medical intervention that people may opt in to.

So there is a large and growing population of children whose parents have intentionally opted them out of vaccines. And apparently per Eisenstein and others they are very healthy and have less incidence of the modern plagues our school children face today: allergies, lack of speech, autism, ADD/ADHD, obesity, diabetes, immune system disorders.

So we have a population that is not being asked to forego vaccines - they have already exercised their free will and intentionally made the choice of not vaccinating, so there are no ethical issues involved.

Again the only thing that is unethical is to NOT do the vax vs. unvax study.

Here's a page with stats from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. (I notice that nobody has been compensated for autism, but I believe that the court will only use the phraseology "autism-like" even when judging in favor of children who have been diagnosed with autism.)

Scroll down to the bottom of the page for claims compensated or dismissed, listed by vaccine.

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statistics_report.htm#statistics_report

Actually Twyla that is kind of the whole point. Vaccines should absolutely be 100% safe against any complication except the pain from the needle stick and that should be blunted as well.

You see most people, physicians, forget that they are not treating a disease or a condition because normal is not a pathological condition. The child is completely normal and happy, in a word perfect. How can anybody improve "perfect"? Nobody can as it is simply not possible. The idea that we can protect "perfect" by injecting a variety of poisons, xenotropic grafts in the form of human animal hybrid viruses from genetic material harvested manipulated and cultivated from canbalized embryos with an untold number of retroviral species from the multitude of animal specimans used to create the final antigen is a grotesque and perverted scientific practice worthy of a science fiction B movie for thought, content and execution.

The adage that "there is always risk in medical care", is completely inappropriate and not applicable to the unvaccinated child getting vaccines.We as physicians really do have a greater burden of safety when evaluating a normal human being. The phrase "first do no harm" is at the heart of this issue. The child does not require care, the baby is normal and truly only needs the mother's breast and milk and love.

It really is just that simple.

VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM

Koinosuke said, "No doctor has even said vaccines are 100% safe. That is a straw man."

Actually, you are the one setting up a straw man, Koinosuke, because we did not say that doctors say that vaccines are 100% safe.

The concept that a very small risk would be worth taking in order to avoid serious prevalent diseases is easy to understand. But when we have a rate of 1 in 100 with autism, and growing rates of serious conditions such as asthma, severe allergies, and diabetes, and increased ADHD and a 40-fold increase in bipolar, the refusal to do a vax/unvaxed study to get a better grasp on how much are vaccines contributing to these serious conditions is terrible. The risks of our schedule -- giving dozens of vaccines at such a young age -- are not so small, and have not been well studied.

It is quite mysterious that Dr. Besser and others apparently feel free to comment on the need to study drugs in a long-term and independent manner, yet hardly anyone seems able to say the same about vaccines. Perhaps this is partly because our government agencies have so much invested in the vaccine program, and therefore so much interest in promoting and defending it.

@ magnanimous mom - "The Marvelous Health of the Unvaccinated".

Why don't we start a global registry and database of the completely unvaccinated? a global registry and database of the completely unvaccinated plus orthomolecular-medicine-treated only? Eventually, the power of the statistic should begin to speak for itself.

With regard to vaccine safety in general: I believe that it may be wrong to focus solely on thimerosal or aluminum. The tacit implication is that non-thimerosal or non-aluminum containing jabs are somehow "safe". I have a concern that use of live, attenuated jabs of any kind might cause vaccinated hosts to act as reservoirs for outbreaks, possibly due to weakened natural immunity, like the recent mumps outbreak in New York and New Jersey.

An article titled “Are Some Cases of Autism Actually Subclinical, Congenital Attenuated Rubella Syndrome?” by E.H. Granai on February 9, 2004.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/autismrubella.pdf

An article titled “Mumps outbreak spreads among people who got vaccinated against mumps” by Mike Adams on February 11, 2010.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028142_mumps_vaccines.html

An article titled “Thousands of Americans died from H1N1 even after receiving vaccine shots” by Mike Adams on January 17, 2010.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027956_H1N1_vaccine_CDC.html

@SuperDave. Good point on the counfounders and I do understand that. However, in trying to rule out possible confounders did they end up creating one. I mean, they ruled out children from mulitple births, low birth weight, congenital issues from those Thimerosal studies without knowing WHY having those aspects makes one more likely to have an autism spectrum disorder...is it just being those things that does, or are they more susceptible to environmental factors in general because of those factors? It just doesn't make sense to rule out the most vulnerable infants from unless that question has first been answered, otherwise, as I said, it creates a possible confounder. And it makes even less sense to me that they continue to use the data sets from these old Thimerosal studies on new studies, since we have since learned that populations most likely to have ASD are excluded from those. They need to use brand new data sets that reflect what we have since learned about who is most likely to have an ASD and figure out what about them makes that so.

I know lots of people that started on doctor recommended statins and had to go off them for muscle aches and leg weakness. It's a nasty drug and I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy--well, maybe my worst one.
Great piece, Julie.
Maurine

"You need to see a number of different trials. You need to understand who did these trials, and do they have a vested interest, a financial interest in the results"... that's it RIGHT THERE in a nutshell.

and *SIGH* that's not really a novel idea... that's common sense.

Koinosuke:

CDC says flu shots with 50 parts per million mercury are safe for pregnant women. EPA says the that level is 250 times higher than the hazardous waste threshold.

"It's not because I think all vaccines are bad, or that I want any resurgence of infectious disease. It's because I want to know!"

*sigh* No it's not...and were this actually something other than a forum with draconian moderation. It would be easily demonstrable. That either you don't know what you're talking about or you are being rather manipulative.

You wrote one of the most wonderful articles I have ever read. wow lady you go. I wish they would listen to you. I'd also be delighted to see any study that vaccines are safe in the combination they give our kids. What about those women who care the "T"mutation that is called the MTHFR factor. Its ok to have 2 genes but with all the injecting of toxins (not just one) but several and the fact that we seem to be swimming in a lot of toxins we were not aware of because they cared the seal of approval by someone who was suppose to look after us....It will put your kid predispostioned for a lot of auto immune diseases. Treat the gut treat the immune system and your kid can have a better life. Takes a lot of work and I hate it that it happened. Maybe history books will tell in years to come of the blunders of our century or that things will turn around and nobody else will have to go through this even. To many kids to many coincincidences Slow schedule in the past autism was 1-10,000. Now 1-100 and learning disabilites 1-6????? we have years and years of kids that were fine. now we have years and years of kids that aren't fine. good lesson for someone. like you its hard to be anti but its easy to want studies and its easy to say toxins aren't good for you obviously in any form.

Amen Julie! The dogmatic acceptance of vaccines is something that I do not understand. As you have eloquently illustrated, the same conflicts of interest and poorly designed studies that the medical establishment (correctly) admits are rampant throughout the medical literature regarding drug studies also apply to the studies that purport to show vaccine safety and effectiveness. The failure of the medical establishment to make this connection astonishes me. I've come to the conclusion that vaccines are to be accepted on faith and are not to be questioned if you value your career as a health professional. The regimentation of medicine seems to be producing doctors that no longer have the ability or desire to think for themselves. Instead, we are getting doctors that are merely automatons carrying out the orders and treatment protocols that are dictated to them by the supposed learned elite of the medical establishment. The result of this system is that the individuality of the patient is not respected.

Julie, what excellent points.

This new concern over cholesterol meds is used to create an illusion that the health care industry actually cares about you and I and our children. Many will trust blindly in vaccines and other medication because they feel that someone is keeping an eye on pharmaceuticals and their effects. GMA has your back. Stay tuned as they will promote the flu shot in the near future. They may even use Dr. Besser to do so.

I'm a little confused here. You're saying that we should have skepticism about medical information but I guess I missed the part where you got online - read the study that Besser was referring to and evaluated it against various metrics then compared those against the pre-existing evidence. Right now, I'm pretty skeptical of your skepticism.

Statin drugs can not be taken by my vaccine injuried husband.

In advertisments of statin drugs, it says on the end that it can cause muscle weakness in some people which indicates a life threatening and serious condition ---- "Some people" would be US. US meaning those that reacted to vaccines are the very target group!

The only doctor that cared and actually tried to help my husband - the one that figured out it might be a mitochondria disfunction after his vaccine injury, and sent him off on his several quests to obtain a correct muscle biopysis, told him he could never ever take statins. That it could cause his heart to stop.

If he takes statins as a recent doctor insisted - it did causes severe muscle weakness too! Found tha out and oxygen levels go really down.

CO Q 10 is what Neurologist Dr. Poling (father to Hannah Poling that won the vaccine injury case in the vaccine court)says it is too late to take for his daughter - "like throwing water on a burnt out building" , but that statement proves he knew the importance of CO Q 10.

CO Q 10 the stuff found originally in beef hearts and later in fermenting blue green alge - that my husband was told to take 1500mg a day averaging 600 dollars a month for the last 20 years, till he gave it up, saying he no longer helped if at all.

If my husband takes the statins the body can not produce cholesterol and thus can not produce CO Q 10.

It also interfers with the production of vitamin D. It takes cholesterol and sunlight to make vitamin D.

Cholesterol is the basic start for all biological pathways.

It is not the cholesersol that is the problem -in heart diseae or vasculitisis-- it is the inflammation in the blood vessels that is the problem.

Inflamation of the lining of the cappillaries is caused by the damage to the mitochondria in each cell. The cells run out of energy, so that they can not pump the calcium out of them, causing them to swell and in many cases die. This causes the thinnning in some areas of the capillaries and blood vessels. This makes these blood vessels no longer smooth, the pipe lines becmoe rough. Cholesterol just comes along and gets stuck in these areas.
Now what needs to be fixed here?

Oh - ' the dangerous nut . . . job ' - Not this time .

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Guildford, Surrey, UK.

This is a perfect example of why I love AoA. Thanks, thanks, thanks for all the work.

Correction: in my post it should have said the U of L study showed that kids were NOT more likely to have a neurodevelopmental disorder if the used the regular vaccine sched. vs. a delayed one.

Julie, you wrote another fabulously crafted, completely logical article. I think about the insanity of the double standard applied to "precious fluid" vaccines versus every other pharmaceutical on the market. "Vaccines are completely safe and should be mandated for all, in fact, the more, the merrier", versus "That drug has been determined to have dangerous side effects and now must carry a black box warning."

When it comes down to some doctors refusing, out of laziness, or cost to their practice, or their stupid indoctrination by a pharma rep, to administer separate MMR and V vaccines versus the single MMRV vaccine, despite the known much higher febrile seizure risks associated with the MMRV, I lose all respect for some pediatricians. These pediatricians should not be allowed to practice medicine if the interests of their young patients to be seizure-free are secondary to the overhead costs of their doctors. It is clear we are not the crazy ones.

I do not know if you are an attorney by trade, or not, but due to your writing skills, you should be working with attorneys to craft bills to protect the human rights of people of this country, and you should be testifying before Congress to enlighten them that there is a growing body of voters who understand what is happening.