Alan,

Question:

Why should *WE* (translation: heartbroken-burned-out,trying-to-heal-our-injured-children-while-taking-care-of-the-rest-of-our-family-working-full-time-employees-who-are-researching-in-our-spare-time-advocate-parents) have to FUND any science proving the "harm" of any government "mandated", government pushed, government protected vaccine?

THE LAW IS FOR *THEM* (translation: the-pharma-industry-who-is-raking-billions-off-of-untested-vaccines-and-who-use-children-as-guinea-pigs-under-the-full-protection-of-the-government) to prove SAFETY before pumping the *CRAP* (translation: mercury, aluminum, pig viruses, aborted fetal cells, etc) into vulnerable babies.

Bottom Line: You got it *back asswards* (translation: get-a-clue-and-don't-let-the-door-hit-ya-on-the-way-out)

Re Post by Garbo: "Tell your social network manipulation breakout session friends that we aren't going away, we won't be ignored, we can't be mau-maued, and we won't be appeased by anything but the transparent truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us God."

Yes, and just like Superman we want "TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY".

Garbo, any relation to Greta Garbo? I am thinking of one of her movies where she shares your persona of brutal honesty, and I LOVE IT!!!

Too bad there is no brutal honesty in the Pro Vaccine camp...only brutal DIShonesty.

Alan,
Your pedantic lectures on the scientific method are getting quite tiresome. You really need to stop insulting our readers. What you seem quite incapable of grasping is that the funding of important studies requires MONEY and then access to JOURNALS. Both of these are political exercises and the obstacles to the dissemination of objective evidence are large. Wakefield has already been involved in designing and conducting studies in primates that provide conclusive evidence of hard to children. What we need is not a 10th grade science lecture, we need an advanced seminar on power and politics in a scientific world dominated by the medical industry.

That's why we need to support a man like Andy who honors the true spirit of science. And we will.

"We want the raw data, not the sliced, diced, manipulated bunkum that dances around masquerading as sufficient study. We want clinical, not epidemiologic research. We want answers, not lip service."

Then, quite simply why aren't you doing this research? Why can't the AoA (and perhaps other communities concerned about this phenomena) community come up with a design for a study that meets their collective criteria...and start taking donations toward a fund to get it done.

All due respect to Mr. Wakefield and what he has sacrificed for his beliefs but we shouldn't be buying his books - that's us working for *him* - he should be working for *us* promoting this study, looking for funding.

Likewise with Mr. Carry and Ms. McCarthy. Fund the (real) science!

Lisa:
"want to decrease preventable diseases in our communities, by PROMOTING safe, effective and timely immunizations."

PROMOTING VACCINES. Your agenda.

Completely at cross purposes with the agenda of this autism community, that wants to decrease preventable autism and other chronic disorders by promoting safe avoidance of ineffective and dangerous vaccines.

If y'all are REALLY so concerned with vaccine safety, how about joining us in demanding that the VSD and VAERS be opened to all researchers? How about gathering your coalition to perform a large vaxed vs. unvaxed study of all health outcomes, with no exclusions for low birthweight or mito disorder or any other conditions -- just like the vaccines are administered? How about an in vivo study of the synergistic toxicity of aluminum and mercury? How about addressing the lunacy of ERVs and ERV replication-potentiating live viruses being injected at the same time? How about forking over the $400 per chip to find out what contaminants are in all those vaccines, like pig, monkey and cow viruses and allergen-causing stray proteins from undisclosed "trade secret" adjuvant ingredients?

Tell your social network manipulation breakout session friends that we aren't going away, we won't be ignored, we can't be mau-maued, and we won't be appeased by anything but the transparent truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us God. We want the raw data, not the sliced, diced, manipulated bunkum that dances around masquerading as sufficient study. We want clinical, not epidemiologic research. We want answers, not lip service.

If your "coalition" folks genuinely want answers no matter how inevitably inconvenient or damaging to the vaccine program, then great and welcome to the war. If not, you are part of the problem and will be treated as such.

Lisa, if you are truely interested in decreasing "... preventable diseases in our communities, by promoting safe, effective and timely immunizations." And if you actually believe what you say, "If vaccine safety is questioned, we as advocates want to address the issue head on." then you must advocate for and conduct a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated study. To not do so is immoral and unethical.

The history of vaccines is littered with countless examples of vaccine damaged children and adults. That fact is indisputable.

To continue to push more and more vaccines on a developing immune system and not expect some level of repercussions is scientifically irresponsible. Contrary to some who believe they have the answers, the science is not in yet. Our understanding of the human body is far from complete and to assume otherwise is ignorant, and arrogant.

Lisa,
How can you argue you are tackling the controversy head on when you only invite the people who agree with you? There are rising numbers of educated, informed and concerned citizens who don't share the views of your attendees and don't share your interpretation of the evidence. Inviting Eric Courchesne is hardly an outreach to the autism community. He's part of the old guard of orthodox autism scientists and part of the problem.

If you're serious about vaccine safety, you need to deal head on with the critique. I don't see any evidence of that level of openness in your approach.

Thank you, however, for coming to Age of Autism to respond to the comment. These issues need civil, open and honest discussion. the obstacles to that, unfortunately, are not on our side of the debate.

The reaason that this conference is having a session on autism is precisely because some people in the autism community have questioned this link.

People attending this conference are from coalitions around the country that want to decrease preventable diseases in our communities, by promoting safe, effective and timely immunizations. If vaccine safety is questioned, we as advocates want to address the issue head on. This is why we are having a session on autism. To become up-to-date on the most recent research.

Alison Singer is not being paid to make this appearance. Additionally, Dr. Eric Courchesne from the University of California-San Diego will be joining us. He is considered one of the world's leading experts on autism.

We recognize that autism is a terrible disease and join you in wanting to have the cause identified. However, as has been communicated in the media, no large scale studies have duplicated the findings of Dr. Wakefield--and now we see the problems associated with his study.

I think it is important to recognize that we do not differ on several topics. We support autism research, we want vaccines to be safe and we want parents well informed.

Lisa Kritz
Director, Chicago Area Immunization Campaign

I wish I lived near this so I could go and make a scene.

Why are THEY associating autism and vaccines? Is this some covert admission? Too bizarre.

Coalition For WOrking With Schools - see now that just creeps me out! Is it going to get to the point that I have to be afraid to send my son, who has encephalopathy and a medical waiver against further vaccination, to school for concern over vaccination "mistakes". He would guess regress and lose the skills and abilities he spent an inordinate amount of time and money learning. This is the sort of thing that give me nightmares. NO VACCINES IN SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!