'And we're just supposed to believe that he/she is actually a neurologist and just trust in his/her word.'

WEve seen all to many 'neurologists' behave like hooligans with regards to Desiree. Dont be swayed by their credentials. This is a powerful form of persuasion and is why the masses take the vaccines and other drugs...

http://askrsb.podbean.com/2009/11/04/exclusive-flu-shot-victim-desiree-jennings-cured-of-untreatable-neurological-disorder/

All those DAN! doctors and Generation Rescue takes her instead to Dr Rashid Buttar--go figure! Buttar and his td-DMPS fell out of favor in the autism world some years ago and I always wondered what happened to him. I'm really intrigued by the fact that GR took her to him, though JB Handley was clearly a big fan in the old days. Did DAN! doctors not want to get embroiled in the mess? Were they not confident enough to take her on as a patient? If you listen to the interview, it is classic Buttar! Brash and self-confident, bordering on the arrogant. But good for him that he took the case and that he was so successful! Go, Dr Buttar!

So nice how he (or she) hides behind an anonymous nickname so we won't know who it is. And we're just supposed to believe that he/she is actually a neurologist and just trust in his/her word.

You know, it's so nice to hide behind the veneer of anonymity to avoid pesky little things like libel suits.

Randy, I think that he/she took the Hipocritic oath. Doctors like he/she and Gorski confuse that so easily.

So let's assume I own a company,
and let's also assume that I believe that her
condition was psychogenic, and lets furher
assume that she applies for a job at my
company.

She wouldn't get it! This psychogenesis BS
is causing her real harm, and that's what
civil courts are for.

Wow Dr. P*****.

Was it really necessary to be so ugly to make whatever point you were trying to make?

Rampant arrogance and incivility - a major reason that some people no longer trust the medical establishment.

Jesus, you people are insane. I am a neurologist, sub-specializing in movement disorders such as dystonia. I can tell you with absolute certainty that this woman's symptoms are nothing like a true neurological disorder, and are exactly lie those of hundreds of neurotic (crazy) patients I see every year. Furthermore you idiots, she is now magically "cured" (it's a real pain in the ass to fake those ridiculous bizarre symptoms for too long) which simply does not happen in true cases of dystonia. Finally, the gross prostituion of her case to the press and to "causes" like yours will only serve to fuel myriads of whackjobs with newfound psychogenic symptoms, crowding out genuinely sick patients from our already overtaxed healthcare system. I hope you and all of your progeny die from otherwise easily preventable viral diseases.

Ben, your comments and defense of the vicious David Gorski are really quite incredible.

To quote John Stone's point in response to a similar, less refined comment regarding Desiree's alleged lack of "trustworthiness" written by another compassionate "skeptic" like you,

"The warning exemplified by Boing Boing's comment to anyone reporting adverse vaccine reactions and their sequelae is that they will be subject to derision and bullying. This, of course, is how modern science is conducted, and we must be grateful to Boing Boing for showing how it is done."

You're a little more polished than "boing boing" but it's clear both you guys are bouncing off the same ping pong table.

Boing Boing:

"Yeah. Vaccination screwed up my friend too. The day he got his flu jab, he got drunk, drove his car and had accident. Ever since he drunk drove and crashed his car, his life has been a constant battle. And he thinks he drunk drove because of?? you guessed right, the bloody flu vaccine! What a logical thing to say, right?

Oh yeah, the day my aunt got the flu jab, she got laid off her work. Surely this is all because of the dreadful flu jab.

Just how these people make connection between what is most likely two completely separate events is beyond me. Aren't people stupid......"

Ben said "...The only other information we have is her testimony, which I am of the opinion is not trustworthy."

This is repulsive. Oh yes, she is just another lying, hysterical, psychotic crazy anti-vaccine nut. What in the world makes her testimony not credible? I guess it just like the THOUSANDS of parents out there who vaccinated their children and watched them deteriorate in front of their eyes. They are all crazies too, of course!

What madness.

It is in her head...it is called vaccine induced brain damage.She needs to be protected by family,to prevent DOUBLE VICTIMIZATION,like treating her as she is mentally ill after the adverse reaction.Her
symptoms are real and she is not faking it.
Different regions of the brain used when she is walking backwards or running.Pharma will try very hard to discredit her. Heavy metals,aluminum and detergents create an extremely powerful mixture and ingredients easily pass through the blood brain barrier. The game and lies will STOP, as the truth present itself.This what neuro-toxins do,people.
Desiree will save lot of people from paralysis,ALS,Parkinsons,dystonia,seizures
etc.because she has shared her story and created awareness.All the best to you Desiree.

Re Gatogorra's point: The blurb below is about a surgeon with tourette's.

"At home, with his wife and children, he displayed the symptoms of full-blown Tourette's--motor tics, obsessive-compulsive rituals and uncontrolled, expletive-laden outbursts known as coprolalia."

"But in the operating room, hovering over a patient, a different person emerged, one with a focused gaze and steady hands."

There are obviously some powerful forces working in the brain.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/07/entertainment/ca-19590

If Global warming (of a few degrees) has been caused by mankind in the last 50 years,

it would stand to reason

that the 100 fold increase in Autism could be caused by some really, really, stupid people of mankind in only 20 years...

You didn't answer my question "Ben".Because you can't. Are you and your bosses saying that vaccines can never damage a human being? That's just stupid.

Forget it. The cat's out of the bag, and it's just a matter of time.

ben-

He clearly states that he thinks her condition is psychogenic-- ie - hysterical:

"whether her dystonia is psychogenic (by far the most likely possibility) or not (far less likely based on the videos of her movements that have been circulating on television and online), whether it was caused by vaccines (incredibly unlikely) or not (the most likely scenario)."

There's a book looming in your horizon ben being written by Mark and Dan from right here at AoA. What is happening to Desiree by people like you and Orac has been happening throughout history -- denialists to toxic injury and blaming the victim - the unwelcome entrance of psychiatry. Their book is a must read for you and your buddy Orac as you're both showing quite a bit of ignorance. It happens still, this denial of true injury by little DSM numbers but we are moving mountains to stop it.

As an example, check out "Teri Arranga on The Boy Who Caught Obsessive Compulsive Disorder":

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/11/teri-arranga-on-the-boy-who-caught-obsessive-compulsive-disorder.html

alright craig, I tried to be the bigger person and you are the one who called Orac snivling subhuman. However the evidence we both have is the same, and if an expert in motion disorders says one thing and this blog says another i am siding with the expert. The only other information we have is her testimony, which I am of the opinion is not trustworthy. Her doctors, due to confidentiality laws, cannot discuss this case so this is the best we can do.

This is what I took from his post, Ben:

"I don't know what I'm talking about (snivel snivel), so I'll talk to my slightly more mature handler, Novella (whimper whimper) who has not looked at her medical history and is basing his assumptions off of looking at her video, and still thinks he knows more than the doctors who diagnosed her (whine whine). So, I'll just say that it wasn't the vaccine because we all know that vaccines are all safe and happy (chaching)."

My point stands. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and claiming that her reaction is psychogenic without looking at all of the evidence IS dishonest. Kind of like your defense of such a reprehensible "human" being.

My oldest is in college and he said that this video is making an impact on the students at his school. They are questioning the safety of the H1N1 vaccine.

Craig, there is no way you can make those claims with an honest reading of his post.
Orac says this"I'm not a neurologist, which made me reluctant to take this on, but right from the beginning something didn't seem right. I had never heard of a case of dystonia that looked anything like the above, particularly the part where walking backwards reversed (if you'll excuse my word choice) her jerky motions or where she could run but not walk. Moreover, it seemed highly unlikely that a vaccine could cause such a problem. However, I didn't have the expertise to take this on; so I waited a while in the hope that someone who does have the expertise would do so eventually."

He definitely says he does not have expertise in this field. He defers to dr. Steven novella, who is a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders, and that means dr. novella does have expertise in this field.

The very title of the post is "Dystonia from a flu vaccine, almost certainly not" While this makes it clear he doesn't think the vaccine caused this syndrome, it also makes it clear he it not 100% sure.

He very very clearly both defers to someone with more expertise than himself. If you did not notice, just about every single expert consulted agrees with the psychogenic conclusion, including an organization whose goal is dystonia patient advocacy. Orac very clearly states that this is not an official diagnosis and that he cannot entirely rule out that this was a vaccine injury
"Don't get me wrong. I do feel sorry for Desiree Jennings, whether her dystonia is psychogenic (by far the most likely possibility) or not (far less likely based on the videos of her movements that have been circulating on television and online), whether it was caused by vaccines (incredibly unlikely) or not (the most likely scenario). "Psychogenic" does not mean she is crazy or mentally ill, and does not mean she is faking, although the anti-vaccine loons who point to her as "evidence" that the flu vaccine is harmful will almost certainly caricature this argument as a heartless dismissal of her symptoms as her "faking." It also does not mean that she can control her motions. The mind is very powerful, and she is likely not even consciously aware of what is going on. Moreover, I am not trying to diagnose her. I'm not a neurologist. However, as others have pointed out, she has placed herself in the public domain, and videos of her movements and interviews with her are being circulated far and wide to promote the idea that the flu vaccine is what caused her problem. What she has placed in the public domain and what others have said about her are fair game for discussion, as far as I'm concerned."

In my opinion, if you still feel the way you do after reading these quotes (which are long enough so that you can't accuse me of cherry picking) then I don't think you are being honest.

Ben, no he doesn't.

He claims expertise along with his so-called experts without looking at her medical history or looking at the information presented to the people who diagnosed her. I love how he so arrogantly claims to definitively know that her symptoms are psychogenic, showing that he somehow knows more about her condition than the doctors who gave her the diagnosis. His narcisism knows no bounds.

He is completely and utterly pathetic.

To the person who asked if cerebral palsy can be caused by vaccines-- the US govt. has conceded this in vaccine court cases.

Desirree is so innocent about demonstrating the features of the disorder, not really knowing or seeming to care that the "seeming discrepencies" might be latched onto be detractors to argue that she's faking. It makes you love her all the more. Someone faking obviously would have invented a much less labor-intensive activity than running and walking backwards to demonstrate the things that cause momentary relief, not to mention that a faker would have chosen a much less labor intensive way of showing the disorder than all-over body spasms.

The fact that running and walking backward seem to trick the signals from Desiree's brain into firing normally for short periods sort of reminded me of how fever normalizes some children with autism. It also reminded me how actors with stutters can "lose" them when singing or on stage and how those with spasmodic dysphonia-- the vocal condition that RFK Jr. has-- can sometimes do things to "trick" the disorder and speak normally for periods.

It's a damn shame it happened to her, but we all know if she was some chubby convenience store clerk NOBODY would care. (except maybe us) That is the sad reality that we live in.

Maybe THAT is the PSA we really need? A PSA with strikingly GOOD LOOKING kids that regressed into autism? Something like the Welch's commercials but for autism.

There also has to be some 18 and over people with autism that have the looks of models. Want awareness? Put them in swimsuits, and make a calendar. The pathetic, sex-obsessed American public will take notice, good and bad. Just put a bio under them with things like "I didn't talk til I was 14, I used to smear poop on my bedroom wall until I was 8, I couldn't tie my shoes until I was 10" etc. It would make national, if not international news.

Somebody should do it for our side before the vultures at Autism Speaks do it, and you know they will.

Essentially, the Oraccolytes are saying that this is all in her head. With zero evidence. And he's saying that AoA and GR are using her condition for their own gain.

That "man" absolutely disgusts me.

Let me see:
From reading and watching ever educational show about brains and brain injuries I have never seen anything like this!

I have seen kids get a bump on the forehead and don't care for anyone, turning evil.
People getting an inflammatory brain disorder and developing a foreigh accent (not really - it is just their language timing is off)

But I have never read anything like her situation. She can not walk forward, but can still run normally and then speak normally as she runs, and she can walk backwards!

Some times I think that there are some evil scientists behind these vaccines and they are rubbing their hands together in glee as they carefully mix up some kind of concoction to just see what effect it is going to have on the brain?!!!