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Behind the Scenes at “The Doctors” with Jenny McCarthy

The doctors logo By J.B. Handley
 
I’m grateful to the producers of The Doctors for running their show on Jenny McCarthy’s new book Healing and Preventing Autism and the debate over vaccines and autism(Details HERE). It takes courage in today’s media environment to put a show on national TV like that – hats off to them.
 
About two weeks before the show, I had an interview with one of the producers over the phone. This is a pretty normal part of preparation for any TV appearance where you discuss your plans for how to approach the show and the producers share some guidelines with you on their goals for the show, etc.
 
I did my best to explain to the producer that we would be bringing some serious energy and knowledge to the show. Specifically, I told her:
 
“You need to tell your doctors that they better be prepared and know their stuff. If we show up and they start making sweeping statement like ‘the science has shown that vaccines don’t cause autism’ we will kneecap them on their own stage.”
 
To further my point, I encouraged her to pass along a newly created website, Fourteen Studies, where the doctors could review all the science on vaccines and autism in one place and get a better understanding of our arguments. She took notes, wrote down the name of the new website, thanked me for all the background, and our call was done.

Like I said, this conversation took place a good two weeks before the show was filmed. Now, you might think it’s bad strategy to give away some or all of our talking points before the show, but I feel differently about it. I would vastly prefer to have a substantive debate with someone who is well informed than to have the kind of debate that actually took place on the show.
 
Knowing that background, you can imagine my surprise and disappointment in sitting in the studio audience and listening to Dr. Sears and Travis annihilate the truth. It was hard to hold back my disgust for their ignorance, particularly with the fair warning I had given the show, and you see some of that in the way I challenge them.
 
Frankly, I was equally shocked that they actually showed our exchange on TV. I really thought, in the interests of preserving the positioning of the doctors as experts, they wouldn’t want to show Travis having a meltdown (like one of our kids!) and being so completely clueless. Kudos again to them for showing the exchange.
 
The only edit that I found a little frustrating was during my initial question to the doctors when I asked them how many vaccines had been looked at for their relationship to autism. On the show, it looks like I gave them no time to respond. In reality, there was a very, very long pregnant pause as I waited for them to answer my question. They both shifted in their seats and looked clueless, neither willing to answer. The show edited out this pregnant pause and didn’t show the 2 of them squirming in their seats. Such are the risks of a taped show.
 
While I’m heartened that Travis’ meltdown shows the world what kind of crap we all have to deal with in the medical community, I really hope it didn’t take away from what I thought was the show’s truly magical moment: meeting Ethan Kurtz. I don’t care who you are, if you weren’t moved by Ethan’s beautiful eyes, smile, heart, and recovery, than you ain’t human. Even worse than the ignorance and false reassurances that the medical community gives parents about the science on vaccines and autism is this pervasive notion of RECOVERY DENIALISM. How long can doctors, scientists, and groups like Autism Speaks continue to pretend that recovered children don’t exist?
 
As an example of this, we provided The Doctors with clips and the rights to show excerpts from Generation Rescue’s documentary, Autism Yesterday. As many of you probably noticed, they used excerpts from our movie to show children with autism, but failed to show any of the clips from our movie after the kids had recovered! What’s up with that?
 
Finally, I’d like to give a special shout out to Jenny McCarthy. If it wasn’t for her, Stan, Dr. Jerry and I would be telling our story on public access cable channel 15. However smart you think Jenny is, she’s smarter. However devoted to our kids you think Jenny is, she’s more devoted. However committed you think Jenny is to winning this war, she is more committed. Guys, Jenny is our national treasure, and she is doing more to help our kids than most of us could ever comprehend.
 
Thanks again, producers of The Doctors, for airing an unforgettable moment in our fight to save our kids.

J.B. Handley is co-founder Generation Rescue.

Comments

Elizabeth Rawnsley

Dear Mr. J.B. Handley:

Re: Contacting the media,including:The Doctors Show,Oprah,C-Span and the news media in the New England Region

I know so many of our citizens are not even aware of the Vaccination Injury Program. I am disappointed to find Oprah and the news media in control of so many a process.I was very pleased to see some information released to the public on the show this past month.

I contacted Senator Hatch and I pasted a copy of the following email correspondences. He was requested to forward the same copy on to each senate and congressional delegate.

-----Original Message-----
From: rawnsleyb@aol.com
To: commun@aap.org; president@whitehouse.gov; comments@whitehouse.gov
Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 6:40 am
Subject: Fwd: News Media Reporting on WMUR- T.V. Re: Vaccination Program and concerns of Parents in N.H.


Academy of Pediatrics
Attention: President,AAP,David T. Tayloe Jr.

Re: Dedicated to the Health of All Children or to the Vaccine Industry Interests (Letter forwarded on to the attention of AAP,submitted by a Robert J. Krakow,Law office of Robert J. Krakow,P.C.,on May 16,2009. Posted on the Internet,signed by Robert J. Krakow.

I have read the letter that was sent on to the attention of Dr.David T. Tayloe,Jr. I am more than disappointed with the control of the news media in the New England Region.

Our children should be respectfully serviced and addressed with genuine "accountability" and "civility." The healthcare in this region and in this Nation needs to be reformed and this administration has a full plate of concerns and corruption to contend with,under the present circumstances.

Sincerely,
Elizabeth A. Rawnsley
Tel: 781-3166313

cc: Congressional and Senate Delegates

-----Original Message-----
From: rawnsleyb@aol.com
To: viewer@c-span.org
Sent: Mon, 11 May 2009 2:41 pm
Subject: Fwd: News Media Reporting on WMUR- T.V. Re: Vaccination Program and concerns of Parents in N.H.


Re: Federal Funding,Programming and "Accountability"

Re: Biased and Controlled News Media within the New England Region


I hope to speak with Susan Swain, soon.

Thank you,
Sincerely,
Elizabeth A. Rawnsley


To: newspics@wmur.com
Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 8:33 am
Subject: Re:News Media Reporting on WMUR- T.V. Re: Vaccination Program and concerns of Parents in N.H.


WMUR- T.V.
ATTENTION: General Manager, Jeff Bartlett

Re: Contacting the station, relating to serious concerns,relating to the news media reporting practices within the New England Region

Re: Federal Funded Vaccination Injury Program


My grandson,Francis Xaiver Rawnsley,died March 14,2008. He was a beautiful and healthy baby boy. He was only four months old. He only weighed fourteen pounds and he was vaccinated and he was administered eight different vaccines. He died twelve hours after he received these shots and his medical historical overview was very short lived. (SIDS) The sudden death of an infant baby was very difficult for this family to accept and the mother of this baby is a nurse and she is in remarkable health. I did research into twenty years of excuses from so many organizations that support (SIDS) and reports data but ignores information that I feel is relevant and attributed to the death of Francis.The moment I walked into my son's home and saw firemen and ambulance workers and saw my son and daughter in law in such grief, I knew something was so very wrong. I saw Francis a few days earlier and my daughter in law was questioning the need to vaccinate Francis. He was at no risk. I was not aware of the scheduling practices and I feel that we failed to protect Francis and my heart aches to know we should have made some different choices. I read of one clinic and five or six deaths of infants within one small time frame. I contacted the state medical examiner office and the people in that office were not very helpful and you never read of any concerns in the news media.

Doctors are in denial.My grandson's death was reported to the vaccination injury program but I'm not sure why they take so long to review such a small medical file. The entire process is not very dignified and the family has emotional trauma that is never taken into consideration by this program. I have to wonder how some of our politicians sleep at night.

My daughter in law"s mother carried a picture of Francis;along with the date he died and was vaccinated to a rally in Washington last year.A picture does speak a thousand words.Jenny McCarthy has brought some of the seriousness of our concerns to the forefront but we need more parents to come forward and we need the support of the news media. We can't make any differences if we are able to bury our heads in the sand for the sake of the almighty dollar. Our children can not become the lost soldiers in this battle. We have too many children already in harms way.

My daughter in law should be contacted. If you wish to speak with her you should contact her and ask her to forward you the letter that she submitted to the Governor of N.H. Her name is Veronica Rawnsley and my son's name is Justin Rawnsley. They reside in Barnstead, N.H. and you are able to contact them at 603-7767808.

If you have other parents that have similar experiences, please let them know that we would enjoy speaking with them and at least let them know that they have our understanding,support and prayers.

Sincerely,
Elizabeth Rawnsley
Tel: 781-3166313

Nathena

I was shocked when Travis had the meltdown like our kids have. But it is nothing new, doctors have only wanted their voices heard, not parents like me that do know our children and have read all the stuff out there about vaccines and autism. I applaud you all for putting our story our there, no matter how edited it was.

karenatlanta

I love you all.
Any parent watching would not have believed that buffoon Travis, trying to project his drama on you JB.
It was a great show.
Dr. Jerry's demure class, Unstoppable Jenny and your tireless data and research.
You guys did great!

Lindy Smith

J.B.
I am really proud of the way you handled the show. I am sick of people and doctors telling me that same thing over and over again like a broken record.The same thing happens, when I have asked for the studies that actually have been done, they all draw a blank. None of them have ever been able to answer me on it. It is so tiring, and ridiculous. I can imagine how it is for you, going through the same thing time and time again. I know in my heart and with many of years following this. My son, like so very many other kiddos, was fine then lost in such a short amount of time.
Thank you Jenny, J.B., Jerry and Jim for your devotion and appreciated efforts. Keep it up, there are so many behind you all of the way.

Kevin Barry

JB: "If it wasn’t for (Jenny), Stan, Dr. Jerry and I would be telling our story on public access cable channel 15."

Hilarious!! And thanks to Jenny, you, Stan and Dr. Jerry all get the benefits of professional lighting.

Cheers to Jenny for broadcasting this story to the entire world as no one else could!

Adrienne Isaacs

Alyssa,

I have been very conflicted about not being an 'expert' and being thrust into the driver's seat of our vehicle AUTISM for some time. I was put there against my will by the mainstream medical community every time I went to one of their 'experts' and got no help. Like many others, I, too, was told there was 'not much' I could do outside of some therapy.

That being said, truthfully, I've never considered myself an 'expert' and haven't yet met an autism parent who claims to be one. I will, however, say with certainty that I am educated on the subject and UNLIKE many mainstream Pediatricians, continue to seek the most current information available as it may help my kids.

In response to your comment "Why couldn't I consider myself an expert then if, hypothetically, I vaccinated my child and watched them continue on as they were before? I mean if you are an expert based on that, only the opposite, surely I can be too - " my thoughts are this: you were an expert on your child's TYPICAL BEHAVIOR prior to her vaccinations. Whether or not she reacts adversely to them does not change this FACT. That's the piece that mainstream medical "experts" fail to acknowledge. So if your child behaves exactly the same way after vaccination, no, I don't consider you an expert on autism. I consider you lucky.

candace passino

jb you rock!!!!!!!!! all of you did..they the dr.s made themselves look small...grow up docs...us 3% arent buying it...the sheep are awakening...

Catherine

JB--Once again I give you a standing ovation for your clear-headed, logical remarks and your ability to stay calm while others are having hissy fits around you. Bravo!!!!

And big hugs to Jenny, Dr. Jerry and Stan for keeping this issue in the public eye. I know sometimes you probably feel like you are banging your head against a brick wall, but I truly feel that even if only one parent hears your story each time you are in the media, that is one more child who can be saved from harm.

Thank you ALL for everything that you do and for giving us a voice.

Lin

JB-
I think you were great and I thank you for all you are doing. Please keep it up.

Lynda Huggins

Having watched the Autism/Vaccine debate for more years than I can count - I believe since 1998, I thought the show was FANTASTIC! Everyone made so many good points and got really important facts before more of the public.

If we want a large scale independent study of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children, WE will have to fund it. Come join our efforts to do just that with the Million Dollar Puzzle on the ARI site, www.autism.com

Garbo

Alyssa -- The former head of AAP was caught out saying vaccines are safe for 97% of people. Even accepting that number at face value, that leaves 3% that they aren't safe for. Nobody can say for sure who those babies are. Maybe if you were lucky enough to vaccinate your child and they suffered no apparent damage, you are an "expert" on the 97% who is lucky enough not to have to think twice about those vaccines. Maybe those of us who weren't that lucky are experts on the other 3%. Does that mean you are smarter than we are about vaccine injury? No, actually the opposite. Does it mean that we should be the only ones concerned about that 3% of the population? No, but right now, that's where things stand. LOVE those articles about the 1976 flu vaccine, and how it definitely caused Gullain-Barre syndrome in some people; now it's 30+ years later and for some reason nobody's bothered to find out how or why it caused those injuries, so they're in a quandary over whether to create a new vaccine. They have no plausible deniability on this one. When adults have a regression after vaccination, it's a lot harder to sweep under the rug. Babies? Oh, they were probably already autistic in utero. SIDS? We don't know what causes it. Teenage girls dropping dead or becoming paralyzed after Gardasil? Coincidence. Would have happened anyway. OR maybe they're in the 3%.

Media Scholar

If you ever want to know how Media Scholar gets so smart, unlike team green he avoids reading Oprah-endorsed books featuring the look and feel of "trendy" and reads powerful books chocked full o' truth like "Vaccination: The Hidden Truth" by Ian Sinclair, 1991 (ISBN 0-646-08812-2).

Food for thought for those who actually believe in vaccination...

"That vaccination continues to this day is not because of its 'assumed' benefits, but (1) because it yields millions of dollars profit to the Drug Industry, (2) because it is one of the foundation stones of Medical Science upon which they have undeservedly built their power and prestige, and for that reason, must remain in place, and (3) because the majority of the public, brainwashed by medical propaganda, and unwilling to think for themselves, blindly accept it." - Ian Sinclair (Vaccination - The Hidden Truth)

"The vaccine business has continued to thrive in spite of its disastrous failure, for the mere reason that it nets millions of dollars for the promoters, and this buys power with governments and propaganda control over the masses who don't know how to think for themselves". - Eleanor McBean PhD (The Poisoned Needle)

"Take all the profit out of manufacturing and administration of serums and vaccines and they would soon be condemned, even by those who are now using them". - George Starr White M.D. Los Angeles, Ca.

"The medical profession, hell bent on preserving its power and prestige, cannot afford to have the public ever finding out the truth about vaccination. This is not to condemn all doctors, for many simply do not know the truth, whilst many others do not want to know. Yet medical hierarchy, intent on maintaining the 'status-quo', feeds the public a constant stream of propaganda promoting the case for vaccination. This propaganda, designed to convince people of the value and importance of vaccinations, takes the form of falsified statistics, misleading statements, public scare campaigns and in many cases, downright lies!" - Ian Sinclair (Vaccination - The Hidden Truth)

"There are three types of lies; lies, damned lies and statistics!" - Albert Einstein

"...faced with a patient who has all the signs and symptoms of a particular disease, from which they have been 'protected' by immunization, it is obviously difficult to make the diagnosis they would have made if faced by such a case in an unvaccinated person. By calling the disease something else they are protecting their belief system, and the integrity of the theories around which they have built their actions, such as vaccination .... All this is done to protect a system, and to help to save the public from having doubt as to the efficacy of methods. Re-diagnosis is a real phenomenon, and happens all the time. In the case of diphtheria this was rampant, and it is interesting to note that it was only the vaccinated cases of diphtheria which were diagnosed as something else. In some epidemics the figure of re-diagnosis reached 60% of cases. It is hard to see what sense can be made of statistics when they are based on inaccuracies of this sort". - Leon Chaitow (on re-diagnosis)

"In conjunction with the introduction of the Salk vaccine, new guidelines were established by the Centre for Disease Control for the diagnosis of polio. Not only was paralysis necessary before the polio diagnosis could be made but it had to persist for more than 60 days. This cut the polio cases down to 10 to 15 per year automatically, for that was the extent of the number of cases even before the Salk vaccine. Yet from the publicity you'd think we had 55,000 cases of infantile paralysis a year instead of a few cases with most of the polio symptoms being 'not life threatening and seldom lasting more than two weeks." - Dr T C Fry, Australian Wellbeing,No.34,1989


"Polio epidemics are very largely physician made. Great numbers of cases of illness diagnosed as polio are not...The apparent disappearance of polio as a result of vaccination was brought about by a clever juggling stunt. Before the Salk vaccine was introduced, thousands of cases of polio were diagnosed each year in children who had no polio. After the introduction of the vaccine, these cases were no longer diagnosed as polio, this automatically appeared to reduce the case rate to the near vanishing point." - Herbert Shelton (Hygienic Care Of Children)

"Dr Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, USA, has stated that prior to the Salk vaccine, large numbers of Cocksackie virus and asceptic meningitis cases were mislabeled as paralytic polio. Following the start of polio vaccinations, no such mislabeling occurred. Following the commencement of the Salk vaccine, many polio cases were reclassified under a different name, this again, leading to statistics indicating a reduction in polio incidence." - Ian Sinclair (Vaccination: The Hidden Truth)

"In a California Report of Communicable Diseases, polio showed a 'nil' count, while an accompanying asterisk explained 'All such cases now reported as Meningitis'." - Organic Consumer Report, March, 1975

"Misconceptions on the importance of direct medical and surgical intervention in the progress of mortality are widely held by historians, statisticians and medical theorists." - Dr Lancaster - Medical Journal of Australia, November, 1967

"She showed us a graph, from a medical journal, that proved how effective antibiotics and immunization had been in eradicating scarlet fever, diphtheria, whooping cough and measles. But this doctor's copy of the graph started in 1940, and we had already seen the fuller graph, which started in 1850 and showed that in all four diseases, a steady decline had been happening long before the introduction of either immunization or antibiotics. So that doctor had made a conscientious decision based on a graph that had been deliberately falsified". - Shirley Lewis, Natural Health magazine, July, 1988

"Fortunately, the whistle was blown on all this statistical juggling when Dr Bernard Greenberg, North Carolina School of Public Health, testified (May 1962 in the US Congressional Hearings on HR10541) that polio cases increased substantially following mass immunization campaigns. There was a 50% increase from 1957 to 1958 and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959. Dr Greenberg pointed to manipulation of statistics and false statements by the Public Health Service which gave the impression that vaccination was responsible for the reported polio decline." - Ian Sinclair, Vaccination - The Hidden Truth

"In the USA, 1982, the states of Maryland and Wisconsin reported whooping cough epidemics. Health officials blamed these outbreaks on un-vaccinated children. Yet, Dr Anthony Morris, an expert of bacterial and viral diseases, found laboratory confirmation to verify whooping cough diagnosis in only 21 out of 84 cases. Further to this, 82 of those 84 cases were in vaccinated children." - Ian Sinclair, Vaccination - The Hidden Truth

"General Practitioners are much less likely to notify whooping cough in vaccinated children where the symptoms are typical. The figures may therefore underrate the incidence in vaccinated children.' - Professor Gordon Stewart, The Lancet, January 29th, 1977

"Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the United States are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools, and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." - Journal of the American Medical Association, November 21st 1990

"I regard whooping cough as a serious infectious disease against which our current 'magic bullets' are woefully ineffective." - Dr N Grist, British Medical Journal, November 29th, 1975

"We point out that the tendency of a mass vaccination program is to 'herd' people. People are not cattle or sheep. They should not be herded. A mass vaccination program carries a built-in temptation to oversimplify the problem, to exaggerate the benefits, to minimize or completely ignore the hazards, to discourage or silence scholarly, thoughtful and cautious opposition, to create an urgency where none exists, to whip up an enthusiasm among citizens that can carry with it the seeds of impatience, if not intolerance, to extend the concept of the police power of the state in quarantine far beyond its proper limitation, to assume simplicity when there is actually great complexity, to continue support of a vaccine long after it has been discredited, to make a choice between two or more equally good vaccines, and promote one at the expense of the other, and to ridicule honest and informed dissent." - Clinton Miller, U.S House of Representatives testimony, May 17th,1962

"Without question, the polio and just recent 'swine flu' programs were based shamefully and unabashedly on FEAR, just as unscrupulous politicians have for years exploited this hidden, subconscious motivating factor within human nature...The continual propaganda exuded by accepted scientists and the ever growing enemies of mankind constitutes neither more nor less than an insidious type of 'brain-washing' which we as Americans have every right to feel belongs in some spy movie or intrigue of foreign espionage, but NOT here in America... which of course has proven to be an illusion...Therefore, most of America now stands in the backwash of a very subtle 'Advertising' which a few recognized immediately as pure old propaganda, a form of 'brain-washing', a technique which is based on repeated impressions made on the mind of a person, until accepted as "truth". - The Dangers Of Immunization, Humanitarian Society, Pennsylvania

Pamela Evans

Way to go JB, Dr.Jerry and Jenny. This cover up is so big that I wonder how many dents we must make to bring the wall down so everyone can discover the truth. I appreciate the parents, doctors and scientist who have dedicated their lives to getting to that truth, one show at a time.

Thanks

Pamela Evans

cindercone

Alyssa,

You and a friend go to a bar and have 2 drinks. Your friend gets drunk. You don't. She tells you that alcohol can make you drunk. Do you tell her that she's crazy because you didn't get drunk and something else must have made her drunk? Or do you realize and admit that alcohol affects her differently than it affects you?

Cathy Jameson

JB,

Thank you for posting the behind the scenes truth. I watched the show and felt many emotions during the hour it was on. I was so thankful to hear Jenny continue to stand up for this community. I was cheering for JB during Travis' temper tantrum. I was in awe of Dr. Kartzinel's calming demeanor. I cried while watching Ethan be so typical because his parents believed things should and could get better.

You have a lot of strength and I'm so grateful you have the voice and will to carry on. My son's voice will hopefully come back one day. Until then, thank you for speaking up for him.

Cathy

Garbo

Zoey, I can't speak for anyone but myself. I have two vaccine injured children. I have no lawyer, and don't intend to get one. I have not applied to VICP for any injury claim, nor do I intend to. My kids do have lots of therapists -- OT, PT, Speech, APE. I do have lots of bills, most of which aren't covered by insurance, and bills for lab tests that show my children are toxic with mercury, aluminum and other heavy metals, allergic to dozens of foods, and high in vaccine strain viral titers. I have cabinets full of dietary supplements and gluten-free, organic food. I have three jobs -- working to earn money, working to take care of my kids, and working to figure out what happened to them. I consider myself profoundly lucky because, thanks to the parents who went before me like many of the ones who post here, my kids are recovering. Begging the question, from whence comes that big chip on your shoulder?

Standing on our heads is not enough

From Alyssa -

"Not enough has been done on EITHER side to prove they are or are not safe."

Oh yeah, we acknowledge that we are supposed to be doing something to PROVE that vaccines propelled our kids into autism. NOT the public health officials. Guess that part wasn't quite written up into their job description.

Julie Swenson

Ditto to what Garbo said....sorry, I'm too brain dead today to think of a good reply to Alyssa.

jen

hey Allysa, calling the possible cause of one of our number one problems "old" is pretty insulting. I work with special needs kids and I definitely believe that all this increased vaccinating is causing problems. You should see how the ESL kids are changing over time! (many more ESL labelled with other "learning problems" now). If this is boring for you then so be it but to me it is anything but pedestrian or banal, it is downright infuriating! I bet the parents of children with autism wish that it was "old" but, in fact, it has not been really looked at with any seriousness by more than a few researchers. I am very glad that I have minimally vaccinated my children. What is getting old is the denial that vaccines could be problematic by the AAP etc.

Barbara Majeski

Nicely done JB. ~Barbara Majeski

Alyssa

Why couldn't I consider myself an expert then if, hypothetically, I vaccinated my child and watched them continue on as they were before? I mean if you are an expert based on that, only the opposite, surely I can be too.

(not really trying to play Devil's advocate here, there is a reason behind my postings)

sandy

http://ow.ly/6g4W

And now we have a plastic surgeon trying to convince parents of the safety of vaccines. The lies will just keep coming and the ignorant will keep listening to these types. Please leave comments to this article!

Zoey

@ Mama bear, most parents are so deep rooted in there opinions they are blind to seeing all sides of the debate, & even hate & call ppl with Autism names if they disagree with them, its all about money,& lawyers my friend, not the children as they claim like a wolf in sheep's clothing.

nhokkanen

Alyssa, no one wants to be here discussing vaccine-induced autism. It shouldn't take years to get safer vaccine protocols.

We can't turn our backs on the regressions we've witnessed, what the lab tests prove, and how our children suffer. It is our moral duty to prevent it from happening, to treat the medical symptoms, regardless of the uncomfortable implications.

Many of us read daily about autism and vaccines, some for five, ten or more years. The 1976 swine flu debacle showed that mass vaccine injury can and did happen. In our "autistic" children, the symptoms are falsely written off as coincidental developmental delay.

Take a spin through this 346-page document, courtesy of TACA. Just one document of many, many more available to those willing to take the time to read and open their minds to a painful reality shared by countless families globally.

http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/vaccines/autism-studies-april-2008.pdf

Garbo

Yes, Alyssa, we can agree that the debate sucks and is getting old, but I'm afraid that's where we part company. What makes us all experts is that we watched our kids regress after their vaccines and have spent every waking moment since then trying to get them back and prevent it from happening to others, which is quite a bit more than the CDC and AAP and in most cases our pediatricians are doing. It entails reading loads of scientific studies and implementing medical treatments that are improving and recovering some children. Since you are so interested in ending the debate, I suggest you go to fourteenstudies.org, or tacanow.org, and have a look at the many studies that find a link between vaccines and what the HHS and CDC like to call "autism-like symptoms".

Or Google "aluminum encephalopathy" and then check the FDA excipients list for childhood vaccines and add up the amount of aluminum in them. Or "Cerebellar Ataxia" and "Varicella Vaccine"; it's one of the "side effects" that the IOM is currently charged with considering adding to the Vaccine Injury Compensation table, along with ADEM and seizures. You might recognize ADEM as the proximate cause of PDD-NOS in a recent VICP court case that was settled in favor of the plaintiff. So, if ADEM causes autism, and vaccines can cause ADEM, Cerebellar Ataxia, Seizures and other neurological/brain disorders, then one can easily conclude that Vaccines Can Cause Autism. It's actually pretty cut and dried at this point, so you should feel relieved that the debate is just about going to be over. Won't it be a relief to move on and start figuring out exactly HOW the vaccines are harming children, and WHICH children are susceptible, and WHAT the most efficaceous cures are?

Carol  Carlisle

Who knows how much mercury the child gets! If the bottle is not shook up each time,the last dose may have as much as half a dose of just mercury !!Yes, Travis acted like a turd !

Alyssa

I wonder what makes all of you experts. If doctors aren't experts, what makes you the expert? Serious question.

Not enough has been done on EITHER side to prove they are or are not safe.

This debate will NEVER end in my lifetime and that sucks, because it's getting old.

Autism mom

"The only edit that I found a little frustrating was during my initial question to the doctors when I asked them how many vaccines had been looked at for their relationship to autism. On the show, it looks like I gave them no time to respond. In reality, there was a very, very long pregnant pause as I waited for them to answer my question. They both shifted in their seats and looked clueless, neither willing to answer."

This is where someone with integrity comes out and speaks the truth and acknowledges the fact that yes, the doctors have indeed dropped the ball with regard to not only our kids, but every other kid out there in the world. Pregnant pauses do not make for healthy productive members of society.

I think we are going to have to keep repeating the message until we are purple in the face. Blue apparently is not a good enough color.

ElizaCassandra

From "across the pond":- In the early 90s we were told by a consultant paediatrician that our 2 1/2 year old daughter was being given a provisional diagnosis of autism. He wouldn't confirm the diagnosis until she was five because "a few children grew out of it" by that age. He said he had no explanation why this was so and he had no way of predicting which children would do this. He was a kindly, thoroughly professional man whose eventual retirement was a loss to the children of our community.

Mike

If Doctor Stork cared about children with autism as he claims, then he would have taken the time to do at least some level of basic research before the show. I am sick of hearing about all these doctors that care about our kids and sympathize with our situation but do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to actually educate themselves on the science or take time to speak to the parents about what we are seeing with our own kids. My simple message to doctors is this -- talk is cheap -- either get in the game or get the hell out of the way.

Cindy K.

I'm beginning to believe this new media focus on spontaneous recovery and recovery with ABA are attempts by the CDC and AAP to begin acknowledging that children CAN recover from autism. It's becoming an undeniable fact in the public sphere and I think they're trying to address it in a way that buys their precious "one size fits all" vaccine program a bit more time before it implodes. The vaccine injuries our children have suffered will also become undeniable, but sadly that may be a few more years down the road.

I consider any mention of autism recovery by the Pharma-backed media to be part of a well orchestrated campaign designed to muddy the waters and deflect attention from biomedical recovery.

Thanks to JB and to all at GR for your stellar advocacy!

John Fryer

Hi

Looking at the California Autism Spectrum Disorder 1987 to 2007

I was amazed to see that young adults are being picked up as going down with ASD at ages 25 to 34.

I would think many of these might be pregnant mothers getting mercury flu vaccines?

Basis for more research or review. Prediction that those who have most children will get most of these "protective" vaccines and descend to autism?

Establsihment still denying regressive autism for the most part in infancy. How will they tackle regressive mature adult regression?

Mama Bear

I was appaulled at the Travis Stork rant. No guest on that show should be hollered at that way, especially the parent of an autistic child!! It was clearly childish, rude and uncalled for considering it was obvious he didn't do his homework. Projecting your anger onto others because you don't have all the answers or even one answer is simply wrong. This was clearly more about an enormous ego than "helping these kids." If Stork were so interested in "helping these kids," then he would've done a hel! of a lot more by now than giving patronizing lip service about how there's "no scientific evidence" of an autism/vaccine causal link and how "safe" vaccines are with nothing but junk science to support both statements. If science is so important Dr Stork, then why do the vaccine package ingredient inserts state that the carcinogenic and mutagenic effects have not been evaluated? Don't you think this should be studied before you make such a blanket statement regarding the safety of vaccines? Whether or not they cause cancer? How our human DNA mutates with chicken embryo cells, fetal bovine calf serum? Gosh, for someone who has such a high opinion of the "science," you sure are lacking of it in some pretty critical and important areas IMO. And don't you think parents have a right to informed consent? Shouldn't they be required to received a copy of the these inserts prior to every vaccination? Do you realize most parents are only given a sheet of paper listing some possible side effects, hardly coming close to the standards of informed consent? Again, you failed to do your homework on your guests since you wouldn't have overlooked the most important thing about the parents of vaccine injured kids which is once burned, twice shy. We are among those who will never blindly place our faith and trust in ANYTHING when it comes to the health and well being of our children. Continuing to say that vaccines are "safe" means nothing to us without any "evidence" to substantiate it.
Thanks JB for taking all the heat in an attempt to find out what is to blame for this awful epidemic so that other children and their families will not have to suffer the way ours have. Many blessings to you and your loved ones.

Curtis   J

Great job JB, you both were more than fair to those on the stage. Travis is a wiser man today and will prepare better for his future efforts.

It is tragic that rather than the CDC & FDA showing that Thimerosal is safe, each parent is expected to travel to Atlanta and hire their own experts to go up against the "well paid army" of resident vaccine biostitutes. ..... Most of whom used to work for the tobacco industry...

One study might be to simply track vaccine invoices with Autism outbreaks/rates in other countries.

MW

Dr. Sears wants to know, "why are we just blaming vaccines and not other environmental triggers". Here's why Dipshit;

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

2 ppb mercury = U.S. EPA limit for drinking water (http://www.epa. gov/safewater/ contaminants/ index.html# mcls).

20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37).

200 ppb mercury = level in liquid the EPA classifies as hazardous waste based on toxicity characteristics.
http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/tsd/mercury/regs.htm

25,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose, Hepatitis B vaccine vials, administered at birth from 1991-2001 in the U.S. only.

50,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine vials, administered 8 times in the 1990’s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age and currently “preservative” level mercury in multi-dose flu, meningococcal and tetanus vaccines. This can be confirmed by simply analyzing the multi-dose vials.

aboutface

I have met one or two MDs who failed to get any job satisfaction from what they were doing professionally, quit it all, and subsequently became homeopaths. There were periods of time where they lay awake at night unable to sleep, having a hard time believing that THIS was what they were supposed to be doing as MDs, until the end of their days. For these MDs turned homeopaths, job satisfaction was more important.

I do wonder how many MDs out there feel the same way about their jobs. For some it must be hard to be able to sleep at night.

Rick Neubrander

Does anyone have a link to the FULL show not the 2 snippets.

Media Scholarini

Let's get something straight, long before "parents want something to blame" ever came around the pharmaceutical industry and medical professional lobby had full knowledge what would be appropriately blamed once the doses of vaccines that have Thimerosal in them increased.

Of course, they knew that Thimerosal would cause neurological disorders to increase. That's the exact reason the drug lobby pushed all kinds of inequitable liability protection through Congress and all fifty United States.

This liability protection for every maker, distributor, and injector was not for emergency bio-whatever "countermeasures", but rather rountine childhood vaccines.

CDC and others were all over passive Autism monitoring years and years before Americans caught on to what they were doing with all that ethyl-mercury. To CDC Autism was just another vaccine adverse event like SIDS.

You may recall the Geiers, who had Congressional authorization to use VSD data, but what was Mrs. Toast already deeply involved in as a career woman at CDC? Secretive monitoring vaccine uptake data for ASD outcomes. She was running ASD numbers all the time. She even showed Congressional investigators her data runs which clearly indicated Thimerosal was causing Autism.

The CDC and the vaccine industry are the ones looking for something to blame.

PhillyMom

For years, doctors have said that parent reports of skill loss and problems following vaccines is purely "anecdotal". Isn't their new claim that some percentage of the autism population will have a "spontaneous recovery" also anecdotal? Where is the data that supports "spontaneous recovery". Shouldn't there be studies of these children? The lack of studies by the CDC/NIH of these recovered children is telling.

Amy in Idaho

I was quite surprised to see the AP story about "recovered children" on my Yahoo home page yesterday. I read it, noting to myself that there was no mention of bio-med interventions, just hours upon hours of ABA. To me, THAT'S OK. Because the take-away message for a non-affected reader is: Children with autism can recover.

We have all been thrown into the deep end without a life-jacket. In order to survive, we needed to learn FAST how to help our children, how to heal our children. People still standing on shore aren't compelled to care as much as us. That's life. I never noticed pregnant women until I was pregnant. I never noticed children with autism/ADHD/allergies/SIDS until I had a child affected.

Just as healing our children takes one small step at a time, changing the public's perception about autism and recovery will happen in small steps. The widely run, (seemingly 'legitimate') story about children recovering is one of those small steps. Yes, children are recovering from autism. Let's say it over and over again (just like we have been).

For many children, it's going to take behavioral AND bio-med therapies. My son has made tremendous strides in the last 8 months because we are now able to access ABA style therapies. We are leveraging bio-med and traditional behavioral therapies to reap the greatest reward. The details of what we're doing are not interesting to most people - what's interesting is that he's in a process of recovery and it's possible.

Once recovery becomes part of the paradigm, then we can show them how it's done and hopefully show them how to prevent this distaster.

Elucidatus

Dr Travis showed complete immaturity. To burst out in the open because he did not have the answers and was completely overcome with embarrassment because he knew that he had been caught in a LIE. My youngest brother used to do that with my parents when he knew that he was caught in a lie. JB, I have never met you but I consider you one of my good friends. You showed complete honesty and you handled yourself well under attack from an immature doctor that most likely treats all of his patients the same way when they disagree with him. Dr Travis, this is why we as parents don't trust you doctors because of your outburts that try to make someone without medical knowledge feel worthless. His outburst was all an act to make us look like we are the enemy and that we are the ones not trying to help the situation. Thank you JB for everything that you have done.

maggie

First, I just want to say that I LOVE Jenny's new book. Secondly, I can't bring myself to watch this show. As far as I'm concerned, there is no debate vaccines are dangerous for all. Defending vaccines is like defending smoking or drunk driving.

Gatogorra

To Veronica Rawnsley,

I think most of us in the community think of SIDS every time some so-called medical authority says vaccines are safe. I personally think of autism as what happens when SIDS doesn't "quite happen". I'm very sorry, appalled and outraged for your loss and I hope you write about what your family had to endure.

sad but true

Thanks for the behind the scenes look, JB, for standing up for all of us and for the wonderful affirmation of Jenny McCarthy's bone deep commitment.

I have a slightly different response to the "need someone to blame" sound bite we're being whipped with. I actually want to answer "yeah, what of it?" I think it's quite reasonable to look for the source of the problem in order to *stop* a problem of this magnitude. Will doing this magically cure my children? No, but it might stop more injured and dead children being added to the ranks. It's very unselfish to find the source. And how else could the epidemic be stopped?

Furthermore, it's not so much "looking to blame" but looking to "return blame" to its proper source because, as it is, parents' junk genes or supposed bad life styles have been blamed to this point by the medical profession despite lack of any cohesive evidence.

I'm going to keep an eye out for the history of culprits accusing put-upon communities of seeking "someone to blame". I'm sure there are famous examples of those exact words being used against other struggles.

kathleen

Carolyn, the MSDS on the use of mercury and aluminum should be dispayed next to the insert.

sad mom

Veronica,

I haven't forgotten your son, and the others like him who paid the ultimate price for our country's criminal arrogance. At last year's DC rally, I met several bereaved parents- I bet you were one of them. I was so grateful that they came- really, can anything be more selfless than that? It's so clear that your son was even more of a victim of friendly fire than mine.

I saw the reaction of an NT sibling in another family when she saw the sign of the little girl who had just drowned, whose grieving parents came. When it was explained to her why the little girl was on the sign, she said so sincerely "that is so sad." So heartfelt.

I guess Dr. Travis is looking into that death too.

Sarah

Hi CarolynKylesMom

these web sites link to various vaccine inserts:

FROM HHS- VAERS:

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

Institute for Vaccine Safety:

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

Allison

JB, I totally agree with you! This is the conversation we must have with Doctors. Like investigative reporters, Doctor's who do current research have gone into the abyss. No one is doing the research, everyone is giving the talking points of the day, faxed to them from the government and the few "go to" deniers in the medical community like Offit, who has no experience in autism. Just like during political campaigns you can't escape the current talking point to get to the issues.

Because it's a complicated issue, too many are just going off of one sided crib notes. We have to call them out on it, and you did just that, Bravo!

My pedi is a sweet man who loves my kids, however he has never taken the time to do any research on autism. I've bought him a few books and many studies/articles but he rarely ever glanced at them. Too busy, too complicated, etc.

When you call them out on it they say..."We Care", "We want to help".. I don't doubt that for a second, they do care. Problem is it's not enough, too many kids are affected and the Doctor's treating them HAVE to start paying attention and read the studies, listen to parental observations and push for the biological science necessary to treat their ever growing patients on the spectrum. Caring and concern is rampant, but action is absent.

CarolynKylesMom

One more comment!:

I recently was offered a tetanus shot. I asked for the one that was not the DTP. RIGHT on the package insert (which they reluctantly showed me) it says "has not been tested with other vaccines given at the same time". It also admitted to aluminum and mercury. Perhaps we could collect all these inserts from packages and do a print campaign circling the warnings that parents NEVER see on that sad paper they actually have you sign before giving you the vaccine.

CarolynKylesMom

FIRST they said "regressive autism" was a myth. Parents just THOUGHT their child was normal or above normal developmentally and didn't notice problems til "coincidentally" the time they got vaccines. Then when they had video proof, they suddenly changed tune as if they'd known about this 'regressive' autism forever. Similarly "recovered children" was impossible. So only a subset of children got intensive treatment because insurance and school systems could get away with implying it wasn't going to help anyhow. And only a subset of children got treated medically. So all the parents who don't listen to doctors or specialists, but follow their own hearts, and had the resources to fight for intensive therapies and do DAN type treatments--and were lucky enough to have a child whose injury occured developmentally at a time when it could be reversed, or be mild enough the mercury could finally be excreted, all of a sudden they have magically recovered! Gosh I guess we autism parents are psychic . . . who knew. But the lesson is:
Parents who think out of the box have a far better chance of recovering their child. Let's see if we can get access to these 'recovered' children in the general media and find out all they actually did do with them--special diets? biomed? I didn't see ANY mention of this in the article in my Sunday Paper this weekend. And Mom of SIDs baby who posted here, yes I have often thought of you parents whose children got harmed by vaccines but you never had a chance to save them. I cannot imagine how you feel. My anger at the epidemic is mitigated by the joy of having my son who is recovering. You lost your child and it breaks my heart. Perhaps you can write some articles about the links and science as you know them and submit them here or to huffingtonpost.

bensmyson

"parents want someone to blame"

Was this out of Dennis Leary's or prOffit's book? It's being said a lot lately.

Maybe it's just me, I don't care so much about a person, I'm looking for a cause.

Parents want a REASON for the injury. Me, I could care less about a person to blame.

sign lady

JB, thank you for putting yourself out there to prevent further harm to innocent children.

I just have to comment that I thought Travis' rant seemed very staged and rehearsed. Now that I have the back story, it all makes sense. JB warns him he'll be kneecapped on his own stage if the doctors are not up on the studies, so instead of reading the studies, Travis prepares a dramatic performance of "you attack me on my stage..." etc. and the producers use the angry exchange as the promo for the show. Travis obviously cares more about boosting ratings with Jerry Springer-like behavior than he does about understanding the studies that are impacting a generation of children.

Tanners Dad

Has everyone seen this short video of a doctor crying over the known damage that has been done to our children?
http://tinyurl.com/pkdzb9

Tim Kasemodel

JB,

Thanks to you all for getting on this show.

I know how hard it must have been to manage to get the word "bogus" out without going with "bullshit" instead, but I suppose you are getting used to being politically correct.

One of the comments from the docs that gets me is "parents want someone to blame". That comment is completely arrogant in that it implies to most people that we must secretly blame ourselves and are blindly aiming our so called guilt at anything but ourselves.

The doctors need to turn that notion on themselves. If a parnet is looking for someone else to blame for their one or more children with autism, imagine the impact of having to do that with thousands of children. I noticed that the docs were more than willing to blame every other toxin in the environment, but NEVER thimerosal.

The tantrum Travis had is a clear sign of a guilty conscience if I ever saw one. A 5 year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar pleading he was only thinking of his poor hungry friends.......

I loved it.

Tanners Dad

I am so looking forward to seeing you all at AutismOne in Chicago next week. Thank you for that back stage peek. You really do have to give the producers credit for showing what they did. I tell everybody every day that not only the mountain of evidence it there but the sad part is we add close to 800 a day that will be directly impacted by Autism. Can you say political impact?

paula p proffit merckelouse

Travis did a beutiful job representing his peers. Thank you Travis not only for showing the nation just what your peers are made of, but also how uneducated they really are. I wish I could say seeing the meltdown was a fond walk down memory lane [because my kid is recovered] but it wasnt. I do not miss the type of behavior you displayed at all. Don't fret, there is hope for your recovery too Travis. The ASD community is very generous and would be happy to help you.

meg

Natasa & Kim, Your comments remind me of the story told by macrobiotic chef Christina Pirello, who was diagnosed with acute leukemia in her mid-twenties and given only months to live. (She is now in her fifties.) She decided not to do any conventional medical treatments, and cured herself entirely through dietary interventions. Her doctors, who monitored her throughout her recovery, refused to acknowledge the possibility that diet was the cure, instead claiming it was a "miracle".

The Wiznitzer's of the world would much rather helplessly claim spontaneous recoveries or miracles than give credence to any of the interventions found in alternative medicine.

Mom23

My husband thinks it's really funny that I have more of a 'thing' for Jenny than he does!

Anne Dachel

JB, I totally agree that Sears and Travis gave you the rare opportunity of telling the truth about THE STUDIES. It's about time that we trashed THE STUDIES.
And I had to think that maybe Travis had to take the position he did. Maybe he had no choice, since he represents the medical community, than to give the standard claim of STUDIES SHOW NO LINK. But he did allow you to debunk their tired old mantra ON THE AIR.
Plus he made it clear just how heated this issue is.
And the lovely, gracious, and talented Jenny McCarthy has made our issue a focus of daytime TV.
I was talking to a mom the other day who said her daughter didn't have her baby vaccinated at all yet because she watched Jenny McCarthy on a show talking about how bad vaccines can be for a newborn. I was stunned. And if it's happening in little Chippewa Falls, WI, it's happening all over!!
Anne Dachel
Media

kathleen

Thanks JB Handley for all that you do. I, too, appreciated the meltdown as representative of how difficult the medical community is to deal with. It is frustrating to know our pediatrician thinks our son's 3 hour and 45 minute shrill scream and loss of eye contact the next day was just "pain at the injection site". The first step in treating anyone is understanding their condition and what happened to their bodies to cause them to become ill. The disappointment in their lack of knowledge on the subject at hand, for me, was tempered with the fact that I never expect any of the "opposing debaters" to have any knowledge on the subject. Dr Sears and Travis fully met my expectations. The show was great, you guys were able to get some terrific information out there, and although we know the battle has a long way to go...I feel confident that you and Jenn, and Ethan saved a child somewhere. CONGRATS on that!!!!
Jenny and JB---YOU ARE HEROS!!!!!!

Veronica Rawnsley

Please autism community...don't forget our sacrificed sons and daughters of SIDS. There are many common threads between SIDS and autism and I am always praying that this wonderful community you have built will embrace our kids, gone forever.
Just like the world continues to be indifferent to your kids and the real damage it is truely indifferent to ours.
Large brains (ie. swelling), areas of low blood flow, neruonal death by both hypoxia and inflammation, an affliction of predominately boys of the age of vaccinations...there are lots in common. But parents of SIDS have the constant pain of being separated from their children in this life. From a mother who lost, being down one child feels like I'm missing half...
Our son died approximately 12 hours after his 4 month vaccines (some of which were new) and the pathologist didn't do any investigating into the vaccines.

Andrea

On the recent recovery news:

From the articles I have read it is ABA that is being credited with recovery. Some children according to the big recovery news story will get better and lose their diagnosis through ABA. We don't know which ones will do this, but it will happen for some. This is the same line of thinking I was sold when my son was diagnosed by Lord and Leventhal at U of C. ABA was his only hope. Problem was, my kid was sick all the time and couldn't sit and learn because he was plagued with bowel problems, allergies, and constant infections. ABA couldn't do anything for those problems.

Zero acknowledgement to addressing the associated medical issues that so many of our kids have. Many children are doing interventions simultaneously.Biomed and therapies. It will be the ABA or the therapeutic treatments (ABA, Son Rise, RDI , Speech therapy etc...) that will be credited for the recoveries. Some kids with quick thinking, quick acting parents get biomed and never need the others therapies or there necessity is shortened tremendously. And some kids get the ABA and that's all they needed. Because they might not have the associated health problems or to the same degree as many do.

Diets, chelation, B-12 shots, h-bot does nothing, and they are dangerous to boot (this is the view of the autism epidemic denialists). To admit those things have any bearing on a neurological disorder people are born with since autism is genetic- is just too far out there to admit. Admitting that would almost be saying vaccines must play a role and supporting undoing the damage they have caused. Mainstream is certainly not ready to go that far, at least not yet.

The "doctors" seem ready to embrace an unknown environmental culpit. That is anything except their precious vaccines. Dr. Stork was grasping at various possible environmental assailants- just not vaccines. Is it dog shampoo, cell phones, vinyl flooring, chemicals in foods etc...?

I always wonder how they are going to sell people on the "it's something in the environment" EXCEPT it's not vaccines. How they think they can convince people giving 36 vaccines before a kid starts school does nothing but good, nothing bad happens.

The show was a groundbreaker.

Thanks JB for everything you do. And Ethan Kurtz is great! I'm very happy for him- he's a sweetheart.

bad apple

Hmm. Some children will outgrow their ASD symptoms? How convenient for the opportunistic.

I would be very curious to find out what percentage of children who ‘outgrow’ their ASD symptoms have actually undergone some kind of biomedical treatment. I had my own daughter on a totally casein free diet for about six months to a year, when she was a toddler some seventeen years ago. (I was unaware that parents also went GF, at that time, or would’ve tried that as well.) I’ve often wondered if it had an affect or if she was just destined to pretty much ‘outgrow’ her symptoms. One thing is for darn sure—if I had it to do over again, I wouldn’t take my chances. I’d be tossing the vaccines out of her life, not the casein free diet.

That being said, I don’t think it’s too outrageous to believe that some percentage—perhaps ten percent—of children might ‘outgrow’ their ASD symptoms. That isn’t to say that these same symptoms weren’t caused by some environmental factor, and most probably the worst being the injection of a known neurotoxin. I don’t understand how it makes sense to poison a child and then attempt to rationalize those actions by saying “well there’s a small chance they’ll outgrow the effects of the poison.”

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Natasa

I hear you Kim. The dear doctors are technically not lying when they say a child recovered spontaneously.

The poor docs are really not misrepresenting the truth as they know it. They are just omitting the fact that they don't have any claims to the truth. They never investigated the child, before or after regression, or before or after recovery. To them autism is like immaculate conception, and so is recovery. There is no "why" or "how". Just pure spontaneity. Immaculate. Perhaps our children are Gods to them, any questioning what happens to them at any time is heresy.

Louise

Quick synopsis for those who don't have time to watch: two medical doctors on stage, confronted by real science and statistics on autism.

Part 1 = Doctor on stage,"Waaah! Waah! Why are you making me feel bad?! You're making me feel bad! I can't hear anything you're saying or think about the science, because you're antagonizing me! I can't think about the million or so kids with autism that might be caused by vaccines, because you don't sound respectful enough to me!" GOD!

Part 2 = Doctors on stage, "We already told you; we've looked at vaccines and they've been proven safe! Yeah, sure we only looked at 2 of the 36 vaccines we give our kids, and we've only looked at 1 ingredient of the 35 or so in each vaccine. But we still KNOW vaccines are safe! Maybe something else is responsible! You guys think you know more than us (even tho' some of you are doctors too)! That's NOT very nice! Screw the science; let's meet somewhere in the middle and have a cordial discussion! That's what's important! Sure, there are a million kids with autism, and more and more being DX'd every day, but what we REALLY need is to maintain our inside-voices!" SCREAM!

If those are examples of our "men of science," no wonder we're having so much trouble getting through to the majority of the medical profession. It was truly an unbelievable display!

Stagmom

Natasa, to the doctors it IS spontaneous. They don't believe our kids can get better and they have no role in the recovery process - rather, they are roadblocks. So to them, being utterly dismissive of what we do for our kids, it's spontaneous. It helps them maintain their equilibrium. They simply can not wrap their heads around the fact that autism is treatable and kids can get better - even to the point of losing the diagnosis. That makes them WRONG and shakes their foundation. Now now, don't tell a doc-ey doc, doc he's wrong!

Natasa

J.B. Handley, you must have missed the latest weapon of the RECOVERY DENIALISTS: spontaneous recovery. Yep, you heard it right. So be well prepared for another hungry lie lurking on the horizon. We will be hearing about children miraculously losing symptoms ('cos their genes fancied behaving that way) from AAP and CDC officials in the years to come.

And thank you to JENNY once again and to all of you.

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