DTaP Side Effect: Autism. Now You See It. Now You Don't.
Update: It seems some computers are cutting off the screen before you get to the "autism" listing. I saved the link to a word document so please try THIS.
Managing Editor's Note: Thank you to Angela Warner of Autism Salutes for making the discovery, putting together the timeline, and allow us to run her post. Yes, the DTaP vaccine information included autism in the list of possible side effects. For a while. Once "people" started writing and asking questions about it, the link to the site went into "under revision" mode. Fortunately, original pages always exist on the web. Here's Angela's post:
The Vaccine Healthcare Center’s Network (VHCN), a collaboration of the Department of Defense (DoD) and Center’s for Disease Control (CDC), decided on December 5, 2008 between 5:35pm and 6:21pm (EST), that the original VHCN webpage (now a cached version) listing autism as an adverse event associated with the DTaP vaccine needed some revision. Click here to see autism listed as a side effect of DTaP. It's right there between and hypersensitivity and demyelinating diseases. Click here to see the page now "under revision".
Following is the continuation of “Evidence of Harm”.
On December 4, 2008, David Kirby wrote “The Pentagon – A Voice of Reason on Vaccines and Autism? HERE Later that day I wrote “The Army Fighting Autism? The Department of Defense?” HERE.
Below is a time line of my day (Dec. 5th) regarding the page now “under revision”. I have put all of the events down in EST, as that is where “disappearing act” took place.
12:05pm - I talked to Friend #1 regarding the seriousness of this information. The VHCN page listing autism as an adverse event associated with DTaP was not under revision. "It" was up.
1:00pm - I talked to Friend #2. "It" was working on my end. “It” was working on her end. “It” was up.
5:15pm - I talked with Friend #2 again while drafting an email. "It" was up on my end as I was seriously contemplating putting the direct link in the email body. Friend #2 opened the page again during our discussion. “It” was up.
5:35pm – I sent the following email to Dr. S. Ward Casscells, Assistant Secretary of Defense, and to Major General Elder Granger, Deputy Director of TRICARE Management Activity (TMA).
Dear Dr. Casscells and General Granger, The below information is spreading like wildfire through the civilian and military communities. I would encourage you to read the articles at the following links ASAP. I am interested in your comment on these statements, "We have preliminary findings from one of our many on-going research studies that suggest a relationship between adverse events and multiple vaccinations exist. These findings will require validation, but heighten our concern for the current clinical practice of multiple vaccinations." And this, "However, our work over the past years has been humbling in relation to the knowledge gaps which the Institute of Medicine Reports has also highlighted."
Colonel Renata J. M. Engler, MD, Director of the Vaccine Healthcare Centers Article #1 http://www.autismsalutes.com/2008/12/pentagon-voice-of-reason-on-vaccines.html Article #2 http://www.autismsalutes.com/2008/12/army-fighting-autism-department-of.html I would also like to hear your input on what OSD Health Affairs is doing to implement the recommendations of Dr. Engler. I’ll look forward to hearing from you. Thank you and have a wonderful weekend.
Very Respectfully, Angela Warner – Air Force spouse and mom to four children (two with autism)
6:21pm – A comment goes up on the EOHarm listserv that “It” is down. The VHCN webpage referencing autism as an adverse event due to the DTaP vaccine is “under revision”.
Something smells rotten to me.
Why is this webpage “under revision”? What is going on?
The truth is out there, and the only way the truth might be heard is if hearings are called upon for both the DoD and the CDC. With 1 in every 67 children diagnosed with autism, our children account for more than a third of the population.
Does everyone realize this? Who will call the hearings? Who is up to the task?
Because the time has come. And we need the TRUTH! And NOW! Oh and since I've been writing this... the page refered to in the beginning is now dead. There is no more "under revision". It's gone. All of a sudden in more than one way.
Who is responsible for this? I DEMAND an answer!
Does someone have the old list of possible side effects that include autism? The links 'mysteriously' don't work anymore. Figures.
I can be reached at [email protected]
Posted by: Cassie Bell | February 09, 2019 at 08:26 PM
page 11 about half way down its listed in the paragraph just above the one called " reporting adverse events
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm101580.pdf
Posted by: nicolee | March 16, 2014 at 06:49 PM
Thank you for the site! My daughter is almost 5 mos old & hasn't received any vaccinations yet. I've been holding off while I learn more. And the more I learn, the less I want her to get any! I'm currently researching the DTaP vaccine, & without this site, I wouldn't have known about the link to autism. Thank you sooooo much! I'm bookmarking you.
Posted by: alyssa | October 28, 2009 at 06:44 PM
this has made me sick to my stomach. would anyone give this vaccine to there child after seeing a "adverse effect" is autism? they act like autism is a cold that will go away. only after years of hard work does autism start to fade. thanks for sharing this with us.
Posted by: jill r | December 13, 2008 at 01:48 AM
Has anyone done a FOIA request yet? I will gladly do one...
Angie
Mom to Ethan,Alex,and Megan
Posted by: Angie | December 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM
My situation was referenced in Angela's piece on the DOD mandating Preschool children get the flu vaccine from age 6 months up or they will be expelled from the Preschool setting on base. It's been an uphill battle with the DOD (with no end in site) - no one seems to have any common sense (as I know I am not telling you all anything). I wonder if they will ever listen?
I have two documented notes from two different MD's stating egg allergies - do not give flu shot and it's still not enough.. I wonder who makes these decisions to vaccinate our children with all kids of stuff (including Thimersol) with no regard to the parent and pediatrician. Why does the DOD feel the need to take the decision out of our hands? Do they feel we are to stupid to make the decision? They feel the men and women serving are competent to serve – are they NOT competent to take care of their kids? Do they not trust us with our kids and if they don’t – why do they trust us serving on the battle field?
I am left to fight the US Air Force (of which my husband proudly serves and I proudly support) with people like Angela who care for the well being of all children and love our country. I am inspired by all of you who keeping standing up for children and fighting what sometimes seems like a battle that cannot be won (but it can). Thank you Angela and the other that are paying it forward to help mom's like me -find a way to protect my kids. Proud US Air Force Wife/Mother and Nurse.
Posted by: PreSchoolmom2 | December 10, 2008 at 02:40 PM
I think many parents would be interested in the fact that SIDS is also listed as an adverse event. The picture gets clearer every day... When will they be held responsible?
Posted by: Tanners Dad | December 10, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Copied from the Dec 05 rev of package labelling for Tripedia***
"Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS,
anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence
and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are
reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to
establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2"
http://www.novaccine.com/pdffiles/Tripedia_package_insert.pdf
http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=5966&image_type=product_pdf
http://www.fda.gov/CBER/label/dtapave030701LB.pdf
the fda website of is an 01 version with no mention of autism
although the label change was dec05, i'm surprised this went unnoticed, this would require serious debate to put this in the package insert, sounds like is was required due to VAERs reports but they don't admit any causal association, still makes you take pause that the word AUTISM is in a vaccine PACKAGE INSERT (TRIPEDIA SANOFI AVENTIS)
My biggest question is what happened behind closed doors to force a labelling change as the company would not do this lightly, even though no causal assoc noted (without first spending millions in attorney fees)
Posted by: AutismDad | December 10, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Thank you for the link and for the version in Word format. I also could not see the entire page. But I really wanted a copy of the html page, so I tried making the text smaller, which worked, but the only way the "autism" listing would show is if I made the text too small to read.
Undaunted, I tried this: Choose "Save Page As" (under File menu) and at the drop-down menu, choose "Web Page-Complete". Then open the saved file which is called "search.html" with your browser and you should have the complete page. :)
Posted by: MacGoddess | December 10, 2008 at 02:50 AM
I'm assuming the order to Bowdlerize the site began with a whining phonecall from Atlanta to D.C. before descending on the VHCN.
Thanks for your eagle eyes, Angela.
Posted by: Gatogorra | December 10, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Here is the original page screen captured then divided into four parts, plus the SE13 page.
The SE part apparently stands for "systematic event" after vaccination(s).
http://small-url.com/?9C
http://small-url.com/?9D
http://small-url.com/?9F
http://small-url.com/?9G
http://small-url.com/?9B
Posted by: Yo la tengo | December 09, 2008 at 11:22 PM
There is another site that still has the warning of autism as a possible side effect. The link is: http://www.drugs.com/ppa/diphtheria-tetanus-toxoids-acellular-pertussis-vaccine-dtap-tdap.html
Scroll about half way down and look under the category of:Adverse Reactions. Below that look for sub-category: Tripedia.
I won't say it will be there tomorrow though.
DEB
Posted by: Deborah | December 09, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Excellent find Angela!
Yes, when I went to the cached link using Firefox, it cuts off the info. But using IE and Maxthon Browsers, it is not cut off and AUTISM is seen there. Also thank you so much for also providing the Word doc of all this as well.
Just what in the heck are they up to? The timing of this going down is quite suspicious!
Posted by: CindyPDX | December 09, 2008 at 10:15 PM
didn't know where else to put this but in Canada they apparently just had a vaccination conference and the chair of public health policy, Dr. Kumanan Wilson (U. of Ottawa), actually announced that we should have some sort of vaccine compensation system. He said, "it seems unjust that we don't have one... as we're moving to more and more coersive-type policies and with more and more vaccines, I think it's really a need." WOW! I don't know whether to be happy or suspicious! I just emailed him and said that real studies on safety and studying simultaneous administration of vaccines and better reporting of adverse reactions would all be good, too. I let him know, as best as I could, that we parents are not stupid and uninformed. I bet the pharma creeps and Canadian Pediatric society are going nuts!
The article I'm referring to can be found at today's Calgary Herald (Opinion) or at the National Post.
Posted by: jen | December 09, 2008 at 09:41 PM
Thanks Holly! Your link didnt work for me, but I just looked up mil-vax, searched for tripedia and there it was, the pdf, with the insert that does show Autism listed as a side effect....
Thanks Holly!
Posted by: Angie | December 09, 2008 at 09:27 PM
Holly,
I would love a copy of it. The link did not work for me. You can email me at
autismrr at gmail dot com
Thank you so very much! If you could send a link somehow other than through typepad that would be useful as well.
Thanks again :)
ang
Posted by: Angela Warner FOR HOLLY | December 09, 2008 at 08:02 PM
If you go to the link on the MILVAX page under Tri-pedia the link to the PDF for the Tripedia package insert is right there (click Tripedia). I downloaded it and can send it to whom would like it. (Angie?)
http://tinyurl.com/tripedia
Posted by: Holly Austin | December 09, 2008 at 06:33 PM
This is SO CRAPPY! Even the people I know that are still 'on the fence' about vaccines being anything BUT safe, the ones I still send info out, especially the latest news, and of course the link to this....THEY even are starting to BELIEVE what we have known for a long time....boy, this is the stupidest, most immature thing they could have done...it makes everything they say/post from now on STINK...and it hasnt even had time to rot yet!
I swear, they think that we must be complete idiots, I mean, otherwise, if they really felt that something was incorrect about the statement (which will for sure be the answer to the FOIA request) then the SMART thing and HONEST thing to do would have been to leave it on there, but post MORE info to explain what they 'meant'...even though we KNOW what they meant...SOMEONE was trying to tell the truth...and now they look SO FISHY, even the nd's are probably questioning the motives! ARGH!
When I saw this post here, I immediately went back to this post:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/08/back-to-school.html
Where in the comments Rachel posted a link to vaxserve with the tripedia insert, where it listed AUTISM as a known side effect of their dtap (tripedia) vaccine...and guess what, the link is GONE as well, and the insert to the dtap vaccine is totally different....
Does anyone have a hard copy of that one as well? I printed a copy and gave it to our doc, but I didnt keep a copy, just kept the link in my fav's and have cleared my cache since...I actually cleared my cache the other day, so I dont even have a hard copy of this debacle either...if anyone can send me one I would appreciate it! I would pay for postage...
Furious, and READY FOR ACTION AND ANSWERS!
Angie
Mom to Ethan, Alex, and Megan
Posted by: Angie | December 09, 2008 at 05:45 PM
What will more than likely happen with the FOIA information, unfortunately, will be that a CDC or pHARMa cronie will be the one to have asked them to pull the site. The reason being, they will say, is that it was "spreading disinformation that could be potentially harmful to the Sacred and Holy Vaccine God."
Ugh, these people sicken me.
You people, however, do NOT sicken me. I agree 100% with Kelli; AoA ROCKS!!
Posted by: Craig Willoughby | December 09, 2008 at 05:14 PM
Well, I know EOH is moderated by the gov't- that is why I asked when the issue was first posted there.
Also, I have a tracker on my Myspace page and a few days ago someone from the CDC in Atlanta looked at my page. No kidding. Not sure why or who exactly it was. But, I thought it was interesting.
Posted by: Christine Heeren | December 09, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Yeh, that is interesting - Friend #1 is CST too. Friend #2 is on the east coast. It must be a computer issue as suggested - if you loaded it then it's going to go back to what was pulled before.
So Julie's information helps us narrow it down a bit more. Thanks Julie.
As usual Ben's Dad comes up with a zinger of an idea! I think a FOIA is an excellent way to go - consider it done.
Posted by: Angela Warner | December 09, 2008 at 04:42 PM
I need to correct myself. It was 3pm CST, not 1pm CST that I went to the link and the page said "revised". I was looking at a response to my email coming from the west coast. Sorry!!!!!
Posted by: Julie one last time | December 09, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Julie's correct. I was on that e-mail thread along with many others. Here's a part of the e-mail sent from someone on the East coast and the 4:22 relects *their* time:
On Dec 5, 2008, at 4:22 PM,
julieobradovic@ wrote:
Has anyone else seen that the page with the adverse reaction from the DTaP being listed as Autism is now suddenly under revision?
Julie sent it at 3:21 Central time and I rec'd it at 1:21 Pacific time.
Now here's the point that I think is important: the page was taken down because *Someone* read this site and if that *Someone* was reading the site then, you can bet that *Someone* is reading the site now.
Bottom Line: Age of Autism ROCKS.
Posted by: Kelli Ann Davis | December 09, 2008 at 04:18 PM
Some of the timing inconsistencies (still showing in one users' browser but not another) may be due to the individuals' systems caching the web page. i.e., it may have changed, or gone away, but your browser might still show you what it loaded before. Sometimes clicking refresh doesn't even address this issues. To be sure hold down the shift key when clicking refresh (on most browsers this forces it to ignore everything it has already read and fully loads a new page).
Posted by: ObjectiveAutismDad | December 09, 2008 at 03:33 PM
anyone care to pull an FOIA request on any and all documents, emails, or phone records related to the request to change the site? I just think it would be important to see how the political gears of grind the science.
I know I should just do this myself, but I have not gotten into this practice yet.
Posted by: Ben's Dad | December 09, 2008 at 03:33 PM
The timezone could account for an hour, but that's about it. If Angela was able to access the page at 5:15pm EST, that's only 4:15 here. It was definitely not working for me at that time.
Regardless, none of this may be significant; It's truly not the point of what they did. More than anything, I'm really just curious if we can pin this down to the exact time frame, that's all. The whole thing reeks.
Posted by: Julie O | December 09, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Julie. Time Zones? Accounts for some of it. K
Posted by: Stagmom | December 09, 2008 at 03:08 PM
At least for me, the page was under revision by 1:05 pm, CST on Friday, December 5th.
I happened to be on the phone with a friend talking about it and went to refer to it when, shockingly, it was gone.
At 1:23 I notified a few people on an email thread of what had happened.
Not that it matters, but it is strange that it would work for you until 5pm that day. I can't help but wonder what the exact time was this happened, and who the hell decided to do it.
Posted by: Julie Obradovic | December 09, 2008 at 02:48 PM
How freaking stupid do they think we are? How can autism be listed as a possible *side effect* and yet they repeatedly say there's no link between vaccines and autism? Just when I think it can become no more obvious ...
Posted by: Kathy | December 09, 2008 at 02:04 PM
I figured out that I was test driving the new Google Chrome Browser and it would not show me the second page. IF I do a Ctrl f to find Autism it shows up with that browser.
Also when I switched back to my Internet Explorer it was right there. This goes to show you we have to be careful about jumping to conclusions. I am sorry I get so wound up Kim. Thanks for being nice to me.
Posted by: Tanners Dad | December 09, 2008 at 01:24 PM
You guys rock. Seriously.
Posted by: Garbo | December 09, 2008 at 01:11 PM
here's the chart of side effects when you click the "text only" version. my copy of the enhanced site cuts the chart in half...
Adverse Events Frequency Links to Clinical Management Information
Local Reaction Up to 1 of 4 children.
This problem occurs more often after the 4th and 5th doses of the DTaP series than after earlier doses.
* LR2: Local Redness or Swelling 120 mm without complications
Anaphylaxis Less than 1 out of a million doses.
* SE11: Anaphylaxis, Generalized Allergic Reaction
Long-Term Neurologic Reaction, Including Seizures, Coma, or Decreased Level of Consciousness Rare. This is so rare that it is hard to tell whether it is caused by the vaccine.
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Permanent Brain Damage Rare. This is so rare that it is hard to tell whether it is caused by the vaccine.
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Nodule
* LR1: Subcutaneous Nodules
Arthus-Type Reaction
* LR6: Local Redness or Swelling > 120 mm or extending below elbow
Brachial Neuritis
* LR7: Numbness, Burning, or Tingling At or Distal to Injection Site
* SE14: Focal Neurological Disease
Peripheral Neuropathy
* LR7: Numbness, Burning, or Tingling At or Distal to Injection Site
* SE14: Focal Neurological Disease
Hypersensitivity
* SE9: Generalized Skin Reaction (pruritic or non-pruritic), not suggestive of anaphylaxis
Autism
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Demyelinating Diseases
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Encephalopathy
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Guillain-Barré Syndrome
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Hypotonia
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Hypotonic/Hyporesponsive Episode
* SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Cranial Mononeuropathy
* SE14: Focal Neurological Disease
Respiratory Tract Infection
* SE17: Respiratory Illness
Diarrhea
* SE18: Gastrointestinal Illness
Posted by: kim | December 09, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Haven't these people every heard of Richard Nixon? Even worse than a cover-up is the appearance of a cover-up!
"Lucy, uv got some splaining to do"
Posted by: AutismFather | December 09, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Thank you to those who saved the copy with "autism" on it. I remember seeing it too, but didn't do a screen shot of it. I hope you guys can post it somewhere.
This whole situation is crazy.
Was the info posted on EOH and THEN the website was changed?
Posted by: Christine Heeren | December 09, 2008 at 12:52 PM
I clicked on the link and it shows Autism listed as a side effect is this for tripedia by any chance
Posted by: Holly | December 09, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Angela and all you other parents/interested "diggers" out there, I can't tell you what it means to me to see all the work you do on behalf of children. I sometimes used to feel like no one is doing anything to effect change for the better but now I know different. I look forward to those agencies getting called out on this "slight of hand" (cover up) and as always I look forward to waking up to this site in the morning.
Posted by: jen | December 09, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Tanner is not the only one who has a hard copy in many places.... Of course it was going to go down....
Explains the shock we had a few years ago when a career military family announced the thrilling news that they suddenly were going to start receiving all their child's ABA and interventions paid for through Tri-care.
Posted by: anonymous | December 09, 2008 at 11:03 AM
I have not had any problems viewing it. Thanks for the 411.
Posted by: biomedmom | December 09, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Guys! I'm no tech genius and I believe you! The link is Looooonnnnnng. Try this:
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:AwylZVQHsd0J:www.vhcinfo.org/subpage.asp%3Fpage%3Dvaccines/vaccine_dtap+vaccine_dtap+site+vhcinfo.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=safar
Posted by: Stagmom | December 09, 2008 at 09:59 AM
I'm clicking the link and go right into the cached version. Here's the info:
Adverse Events Frequency Links to Clinical Management Information
Local Reaction Up to 1 of 4 children.
This problem occurs more often after the 4th and 5th doses of the DTaP series than after earlier doses.
LR2: Local Redness or Swelling 120 mm without complications
Anaphylaxis Less than 1 out of a million doses. SE11: Anaphylaxis, Generalized Allergic Reaction
Long-Term Neurologic Reaction, Including Seizures, Coma, or Decreased Level of Consciousness Rare. This is so rare that it is hard to tell whether it is caused by the vaccine. SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Permanent Brain Damage Rare. This is so rare that it is hard to tell whether it is caused by the vaccine. SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Nodule LR1: Subcutaneous Nodules
Arthus-Type Reaction LR6: Local Redness or Swelling > 120 mm or extending below elbow
Brachial Neuritis LR7: Numbness, Burning, or Tingling At or Distal to Injection Site
SE14: Focal Neurological Disease
Peripheral Neuropathy LR7: Numbness, Burning, or Tingling At or Distal to Injection Site
SE14: Focal Neurological Disease
Hypersensitivity SE9: Generalized Skin Reaction (pruritic or non-pruritic), not suggestive of anaphylaxis
Autism SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Demyelinating Diseases SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Encephalopathy SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Guillain-Barré Syndrome SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Hypotonia SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Hypotonic/Hyporesponsive Episode SE13: Neurological Disease, Severe
Cranial Mononeuropathy SE14: Focal Neurological Disease
Respiratory Tract Infection SE17: Respiratory Illness
Diarrhea SE18: Gastrointestinal Illness
Posted by: Stagmom | December 09, 2008 at 09:47 AM
True. The link posted here (cache version) does not have any reference to autism. I saw it previously so that I know that it did at one point... Tanner's Dad... you have a hard copy? That's good. Apparently the "lurkers" were VERY busy over the last few days.
ps. To the lame-asses who continue pulling this crap... GROW UP!
Posted by: Sue M. | December 09, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Hmmmm...I think the government has some explaining to do. ALOT of explaining to do! How dare they allow the connection between autism and vaccines to be denied all this time and yet here it was in black and white in their own information. It is too late to delete the page or change the information. They can't pretend it wasn't there. Now we need explanations and action!
Posted by: Kristin | December 09, 2008 at 09:28 AM
From Kim: Yes it does. I just clicked it. Honest!
The link posted here does not link back to the original that stated that autism was a side effect. I have a hard copy of that. I kind of thought they might do this. The link to the previous copy also has the autism statement edited out.
Posted by: Tanners Dad | December 09, 2008 at 08:44 AM