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An Unusual Admission From Biotech That It's Not Really About Health

Chrisrockby Ginger Taylor

I mean... we know that, right?  We live in it.  The individuals reading these words right now have spent years, even decades, fighting the "health care" system to make it do what it is being paid trillions of dollars to do, which is to make people healthier.  Even having to fight just to get permission to make their own individual family members healthier at their own expense.  To us the claims from government and industry officials care about the health of Americans and the advancement of science to actually improve health outcomes for Americans is laughable.

But rarely do we get to see the industry saying that profits are more important than patient health out loud and in public where everyone can hear them.  And even when they do, rarely does the press cover it.  But they all did this week.

I mean, usually health care corporations and their financial partners are smart enough to hide their cynical money grubbing, but one set of analyists apparently forgot to do so, not only pointing out that cures hurt profits, but LAMENTING THAT ONE NEW TREATMENT HAD DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB AT CURING A COMMUNICABLE DISEASE, THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH CARRIERS OF THE DISEASE TO KEEP SPREADING IT AROUND TO OTHERS, IMPAIRING THEIR ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE CURE!  After which they make the observation that well... if you do gotta cure stuff make it cancer or something that can come back, just dont wipe the disease completely out of the population.  Because you need to stay in business.  

Behold with your own eyes:


Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'

Tae Kim | @firstadopterPublished 3:15 PM ET Wed, 11 April 2018  Updated 7:20 PM ET Wed, 11 April 2018

CNBC.com

Goldman Sachs analysts attempted to address a touchy subject for biotech companies, especially those involved in the pioneering "gene therapy" treatment: cures could be bad for business in the long run.
"Is curing patients a sustainable business model?" analysts ask in an April 10 report entitled "The Genome Revolution."
"The potential to deliver 'one shot cures' is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies," analyst Salveen Richter wrote in the note to clients Tuesday. "While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow."

Richter cited Gilead Sciences' treatments for hepatitis C, which achieved cure rates of more than 90 percent. The company's U.S. sales for these hepatitis C treatments peaked at $12.5 billion in 2015, but have been falling ever since. Goldman estimates the U.S. sales for these treatments will be less than $4 billion this year, according to a table in the report.

"GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients," the analyst wrote. "In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise."
The analyst didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

The report suggested three potential solutions for biotech firms:
"Solution 1: Address large markets: Hemophilia is a $9-10bn WW market (hemophilia A, B), growing at ~6-7% annually."
"Solution 2: Address disorders with high incidence: Spinal muscular atrophy (SMA) affects the cells (neurons) in the spinal cord, impacting the ability to walk, eat, or breathe."
"Solution 3: Constant innovation and portfolio expansion: There are hundreds of inherited retinal diseases (genetics forms of blindness) … Pace of innovation will also play a role as future programs can offset the declining revenue trajectory of prior assets."

I know right?  I can't believe they said this out in the open either.

But the report only confirms the assertions made by the notable bioethicist Christ Rock for years, "Ain't no money in the cure, the money's in the medicine...that's how a drug dealer makes his money, on the comeback."
 

So when you walk into a pharmacy to fill a perscription, be honest with yourself about who you are doing business with, and what their real motives are about healing what ails you. 

“When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.” - Maya Angelou

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Frederic Chopin

Hera,

Did you read the methods section of your link on polio outbreaks?

"Only those outbreaks that represented a > 2.5-fold increase
in the incidence of paralytic disease or occurred in the context of
the complete absence of reported cases during the 12-month period
preceding the index case were included in this report."

You're confusing those numbers with worldwide numbers of paralytic polio.

pharmster

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepolio.html

Here is the yearly incidence of paralytic polio as reported by the WHO.

You see approx. tens of thousands cases worldwide in 1980, a large part in India.

One thing is interesting, in India they never reported as much polio as they are reporting non-polio paralysis now.

Polio is supposed to be one of the biggest success stories of vaccination.

Tens of thousands of cases a year less is nice but in the grand scheme of things it is still a small drop in the ocean of disability, illness and death.

With all the billions spent they could have helped the poor to access to clean water and might have seen a much bigger reduction in infectious diseases and death. Infrastructure they build can last generations while Polio needs constant re-vaccination(and profits for Pharma) of the population.

So even assuming this really worked as they claim is this really the best way to spend the money?

Hera

Eindecker;

Thank you for identifying your source,;this does make it easier. Like Pharmster ( thanks for finding the study,Pharmster!) I have big questions about the extremely small numbers of paralysis that WHO has found, compared to what other sources identify as the numbers being paralysed by NPAFP in 2011
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873
"Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on."
From the article
In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.

Frederick Chopin;
You may also find this interesting.
Outbreaks of Paralytic Poliomyelitis, 1976-1995
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-pdf/175/Supplement_1/S165/2607164/175-Supplement_1-S165.pdf
From the article.
During 1976-1995, 48 outbreaks of paralytic poliomyelitis with a cumulative total of ~17,000
cases were reported worldwide.

Why were there so few cases of paralysis in India and other third world countries during a time when vaccination wasn't occuring?
Per the article
"Nevertheless, circumscribed epidemics occur
much less commonly in developing countries because of frequent
exposure to wild polioviruses during the first few months
f life, when the risk of paralytic disease is substantially lower
than in older age groups [98, Ill]. High rates of endemic
infection also prevented the accumulation ofthe large numbers
of susceptible persons required to sustain a sudden and dramatic
increase in transmission that has become the hallmark of polio
epidemics [109]."

Compare this with the numbers of NPAFP more reecently
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/135/Supplement_1/S16.2

Although the incidence of polio acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) has decreased in India, the nonpolio AFP (NPAFP) rate has increased. Nationwide, the NPAFP rate is 11.82 per 100 000 population, whereas the expected rate is 1 to 2 per 100 000 population. We examined the correlates of NPAFP to discern explanations for the increase. The incidence of polio AFP in India has decreased. However, the nonpolio AFP rate has increased since 2000. Follow-up of these cases of nonpolio AFP is not done routinely. However, one-fifth of these cases of nonpolio AFP in the state of Uttar Pradesh (UP) were followed up after 60 days in 2005; 35.2% of patients were found to have residual paralysis, and 8.5% had died. This suggests that the pathology in children being registered as having nonpolio AFP cannot be considered trivial


So if we do run the numbers, Frederick Chopin, it appears we comparing 17 000 worldwide cases of polio induced paralysis over a span of almost 20 years, prior to the India vaccination program,with now as many as 47,500 cases of NPAFP in a single year.


Maybe we are better at counting, but the differnece in numbers is tremendous,.


In the end, if a program increases the chance of paralysis in such huge amounts, is there any way that we can call it a success?
(Your assumption of 13 million polio cases compared to 750 cases resulting from the polio vaccine sounds good, but that is not what is happening.In fact, the numbers of paralyzed people is going horrendously the other way.)

Benedetta

Frederic Chopin;
Some things to consider.
1.) In 1962, I had the small pox vaccine. In 1965 or 66, I came down with small pox. I was sitting on a balcony above the gym watching the new little kids come in for their vaccines and two weeks later I was put in isolation at our local hospital because I had small pox The doctors said that perhaps they could do plastic surgery on me later. Then my skin cleared up; except for a few scars (that I still have), and they said it was cow pox. Did you know that cow pox is really a milder version/type or what ever of small pox. At one time it was very common knowledge that now all small pox was the same. Maybe that was why one town in England about two hundred years ago protested to the small pox vaccines. Perhaps what they had in the vaccines was a lot worse or a little worse than the natural disease and it kept spreading small pox.

2.) Polio. What did three types of common, no more than a cold, gut viruses suddenly start causing polio? Vaccinating for those three polio viruses was the answer in the 60s. But the answer to why was never answered.
Was it important that we know? After all we had the vaccine? Was something going on with pesticides at that time. Was it arsenic, lead, both together, DTP, The Silent Spring was coming and it was coming for man kind, and polio was only the first to show up?

In 1962 my best friend in school came down with a polio like illness. She woke up one morning and could not move her head or arms. She too was put in the hospital. She had a coxsackie viral infection. It has become very common in recent times. There are rampant epidemics almost, of young kids having hand, foot mouth disease; and it can easily cause neurological problems too.

We can not, in spite of what is claimed; make a vaccine for every microbe on the planet.
Every microbe if it ends up in the wrong place has a potential of causing problems.

---- And when we empty niches of one microbe, some thing else will always fill it. That is the way life is on this earth.

And on top of that as stated by experts within the national institute of health, that vaccines are like sledge hammers causing the immune system to react to a large array of microbe species and are not very specific .


Frederic Chopin

Hera,

You're saying you'd rather have 13 million cases of paralytic polio than 760 cases of vaccine-induced polio. But you're not going to admit that. You're going to argue about the numbers.

susan welch

Eindecker

Most of us are way past giving credibility to any study from WHO or our government agencies. As far as they are concerned, vaccines are safe, effective and have saved the world. As far as many of us on this page are concerned, the opposite is certainly true.

Therefore, you can cite all the research you 'believe' and it will fall on deaf ears. We are waiting, (and have been for a long time), for these agencies to start telling the truth about possible injuries from vaccines.

pharmster

Eindecker the source for your numbers is below.

I do not think there is a good way to estimate the risks. They rely on reported cases.

The number of total reported cases including non-vaccine ones is just 395 (acute persistent
spinal paralysis) over a period of 5 years for a population of over 500 million.

Then they have a definition that the onset that has a time window of 23 days after vaccination or 2 months for someone who was infected by a vaccinee otherwise it is counted as non-vaccine related.

If the virus spreads in the population there is no way any associated health problems will be counted as vaccine related.

I will say the vaccine safety studies will tend to seriously underestimate the true risks. You always have to look how the safety studies are done and how they collect the data. Just copying from a "reliable" source and believing it is not enough.

One of the ways they keep the numbers low is to rely on reports. We all know that VAERS will miss 99% of cases. Then you have a very small time window in which you allow problems to be counted as vaccine related. Then you predefine what effects are allowed to be associated with a vaccine and use narrow diagnostic criteria.

I will say a lot of these vaccine safety numbers are simply fiction that look nice on paper. People believe them because they have WHO logo come with them or are supposed to come from a reliable source like the CDC.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2491155/pdf/bullwho00071-0060.pdf

cia parker

As far as I know, India is the only country which uses Pulse polio vaccination campaigns, twice a year. Many small children have gotten as many as ten oral polio doses by the time they're five years old. India is aware of the dangers and is trying to address them. I first thought when I learned of this that it was outrageous to over-vaccinate to this degree, but found that giving just four doses of polio vaccine by the age of kindergarten was not effective enough in a tropical country like India. At this time I don't know how the number of children paralyzed by polio without the vaccine compares with the number paralyzed by over-vaccination.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/XS6vPor5jFX3vKkaE7Ri6H/India-to-get-poliofree-status-amid-rise-in-acute-flaccid-pa.html

“In 2010, the government reduced the number of pulse polio doses from 10 to 6. What we found was that between 2010-2013, the number of APF cases also came down. Our paper argues that other kinds of polio are being caused by the excessive administration of polio dosages,” Puliyel said. “Another proof is that states like Kerala and Goa, where dosages were less, AFP cases was also less. Majority of NPAFP cases are reported from Bihar and UP, where several immunization rounds are held to reach universal coverage. These are figures the government does not want to admit.”...

India’s strategy to maintain its polio-free status involves phasing out the oral polio vaccine (OPV) due to adverse effects. To contain the “wild” polio virus, OPV uses viruses which are “attenuated” but still alive. This weakened version of polio virus activates an immune response in the body.
The India expert advisory group on polio has recommended that the country’s immunization programme switch from trivalent oral polio vaccine and only rely on the oral bivalent variant, reducing chances of vaccine derived polio virus infection. The switch will be accompanied with a booster shot of injectable polio vaccine. The WHO strategic advisory group of experts (SAGE) on immunization has called for a global, coordinated withdrawal of type 2-containing OPV by the end of 2016, and switch to bivalent OPV."

Eindecker

Hera this is the source of my information: http://www.who.int/features/qa/64/en/ This ref illustrates the lengths WHO goes to track down and identify possible VDPV http://www.who.int/ihr/polio1993en.pdf . BTW I italicize text to show this is not my opinion but text taken from a reliable source.
Here's one of the original, older, studies on the more risky trivalent OPV quantifying the risks of VDPV infection: Esteves K. Safety of oral poliomyelitis vaccine: results of a WHO enquiry. Bull WHO 1988;66:739-746. "A WHO collaborative study during 1980 to 1984 found that the number of cases among OPV recipients and contacts of vaccine recipients was about one case per 3.3 million doses of trivalent OPV distributed or administered in 8 countries (Esteves 1988). These data are in agreement with other such studies. In the USA the overall frequency of vaccine associated poliomyelitis has remained stable since the mid-1960s, with one case per 2.5 million doses of trivalent OPV distributed during 1980 to 1989."

Hera

Hi Eindecker,
Thanks for joining in the conversation. However, your statements don't identify who said them, what potential biases they have, or even what scientific studies they have based their conclusions on.
( By itself, the fact that someone used some scientific words to describe things, and then put them in italics, isn't actually convincing to me (smile). If you cite your sources, and they cite the studies they rely on , it does help)
Frederick Chopin,
It appears that viral shedding is actually more common than you appear to think, and can and has occurred in "normal, healthy individuals" for several weeks. ( some normal people have also been long term carriers.)
This may be of interest to you.

Vaccine Poliovirus Shedding and Immune Response to Oral Polio Vaccine in HIV-Infected and -Uninfected Zimbabwean Infants

In normal circumstances, children vaccinated with OPV and their infected close contacts shed virus for several weeks. However, people with primary humoral immunodeficiencies can shed virus for prolonged periods, in one case for >20 years, allowing the formation of immunodeficiency-associated VDPV (iVDPV) [5]. To date, 65 people with primary immunodeficiencies shedding iVDPV have been identified [4]. Furthermore, in communities with incomplete vaccine coverage, OPV-derived strains can spread person to person and circulate for years, allowing the virus to mutate into circulating VDPV (cVDPV). Twenty-one independent cVDPV outbreaks have been identified [6, 7], with an attack rate and disease severity similar to wild poliovirus infections

So; OPV can cause polio outbreaks. And even regular folks will shed the virus for weeks.


NPAFP is linked with increasing polio vaccination. ( Per the previous study I linked to a couple of comments ago)

NPAFP increased with the number of oral polio vaccine (OPV) doses used (R2 = 25.02%; P < .001). When effect of cumulative doses over the previous years was examined, the NPAFP rate in 2013 best correlated with the cumulative doses received in the previous 7 years (R2 = 57.16%), with 2012 excluded because data for this year were incomplete. This correlation was highly significant (P < .001). On multiple regression analysis, the number of OPV doses was the only factor that showed a positive correlation with the NPAFP rate. The average increase in the NPAFP rate was 1.31 per 100 000 population (P < .001; 95% confidence interval, 1.11–1.52) with each dose of OPV. The NPAFP rate in UP and Bihar, which had consistently increased each year until 2011, decreased in the 2 states in 2012, coinciding with a reduction in doses of OPV administered."


So are you really saying that they knew how to count paralysis rates in 2010 ,but by 2011 and 2012, when the OPV rates were decreased, they suddenly forgot how to count paralysis cases again?
Doesn't seem to be a "better counting " issue.. so your comment "the rise in cases of NP-AFP in India is due to the widespread screening "comes across as wishful thinking, rater than based on scientific fact..

You asked, to paraphrase, what we are discussing/arguing about .So what we are discussing/disagreeing about is the degree of damage the OPV vaccine is causing, and its effectiveness in actually reducing cases of paralysis. We are also discussing OPV vaccine shedding and how common it is, and for how long it happens.
If OPV vaccine is responsible for many of the NPAFP cases, then we do have a problem.

Why is paralysis noticeably increasing in India with the OPV vaccine ? Which countries are you comparing it too? How many doses of the OPV are they giving, compared to India, and how are they surveying for cases of paralysis? I do suspect that children suffering from malnutrition are more likely to react badly to a live virus vaccine than healthier children. Do you also think that is likely?

Hans Litten,
Nice to see the protest!

Hans Litten

Freddie & Einey - will you be there ? Too good to miss - See you there !
Julie Gerberding, Woman of the Year Award – Protest Event

The angel of death ?

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/04/time-to-expose-md-julie-gerberding-former-cdc-director-for-her-role-in-cdcs-vaccine-fraud.html

Time To Expose MD Julie Gerberding, Former CDC Director, For Her Role In CDC’s Vaccine Fraud

The protest, which has a proper permit to occur, will gather across the street from the NYC Hilton to show Dr. Gerberding, the CDC, the media and the public that SHE is not deserving of such an honor due to the apparent fraudulent work she condoned while at the CDC by hiding and promoting false vaccine research, which CDC epidemiologist whistleblower William Thompson, PhD, pointed out and informed her about. Gerberding, however, neutralized Thompson, the lead researcher on that project, and turned the project over to Dr. Frank DeStefano, who apparently, and obligingly, promulgated the fraud further to Gerberding’s apparent instructions and an observably planned agenda. It was Coleen Boyle, PhD, who reported directly to Dr. Gerberding, who apparently gave the orders to Thompson’s team to discard the MMR data implicating that vaccine’s involvement in Autism in young black boys less than three years of age!

Frederic Chopin

Hera,

I'll just throw some random facts out there. Wild polio has almost been eradicated worldwide because the eradication program has been a huge success. The risk of vaccine-induced polio is about 1 case per 1-2.6 million doses. Now that OPV has gone from trivalent to bivalent the risk is even lower. OPV is ultimately being phased out for IPV anyway. The risk of vaccine-induced polio from IPV is zero. India is continuously monitoring people through its AFP surveillance program, and monitoring it's environment with water supply and sewage testing. The best way to prevent vaccine-induced polio is to either stop using OPV (which I'm sure you advocate) or to make sure everyone is vaccinated for polio (it's ironic I know). Long-term OPV excreters are rare and have major immunodeficiencies and no India isn't going to screen all of its 1.3+ billion people for them. Vaccine-induced polio has nothing to do with NP-AFP, nor does OPV - the rise in cases of NP-AFP in India is due to the widespread screening of this huge 3rd world country through the AFP surveillance program started in 1997. Why aren't we seeing NP-AFP numbers like India's in all the other countries that use OPV?

I really don't know what you're arguing about Hera. What exactly is your point?

Eindecker

Hera, does this help clarify matters?
Since 2000, more than 10 billion doses of OPV (oral polio vaccine) have been administered to nearly 3 billion children worldwide. As a result, more than 13 million cases of polio have been prevented, and the disease has been reduced by more than 99%. During that time, 24 cVDPV (circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus) outbreaks occurred in 21 countries, resulting in fewer than 760 VDPV cases.
Until 2015, over 90% of cVDPV cases were due to the type 2 component in OPV. With the transmission of wild poliovirus type 2 already successfully interrupted since 1999, in April 2016 a switch was implemented from trivalent OPV to bivalent OPV in routine immunization programmes. The removal of the type 2 component of OPV is associated with significant public health benefits, including a reduction of the risk of cases of cVDPV2.
The small risk of cVDPVs pales in significance to the tremendous public health benefits associated with OPV. Every year, hundreds of thousands of cases due to wild polio virus are prevented. Well over 10 million cases have been averted since large-scale administration of OPV began 20 years ago.
Circulating VDPVs in the past have been rapidly stopped with 2–3 rounds of high-quality immunization campaigns. The solution is the same for all polio outbreaks: immunize every child several times with the oral vaccine to stop polio transmission, regardless of the origin of the virus.

Hera

Hi Frederick Chopin,
If I was a cynical person, it might appear that because you are well aware there is a problem with vaccine derived polio, you are trying to pretend that we are talking about wild polio instead?

However, on a fairer note, it may be that you have a lot on your mind/haven't had your morning tea or coffee etc and are misreading comments. That can happen to me too.

So, to reiterate, we are talking about polio carriers caused by the live oral polio vaccine, and paralysis also being caused by this vaccine.

Hans Litten

For Beatrice Lorenzin (and your high school diploma)

https://principia-scientific.org/world-renowned-lab-silenced-after-disturbing-vaccine-discovery/

They had touched the third rail of medicine.
They had crossed the no-go zone with the purported crime being scientific research and discovery. By finding nano-contamination in random vaccines, Gatti and Montanari revealed, for the first time, what no one knew: Vaccines had more than aluminum salts adjuvants, Polysorbate-80, and other inorganic chemicals in them, they also harbored stainless steel, tungsten, copper, and other metals and rare elements that don’t belong in shots given to fetuses, pregnant women, newborns, babies and toddlers developing their lungs, immune and nervous systems.”

Hans Litten

Posted by: Frederic Chopin | April 20, 2018 at 01:33 AM

Who is "WE" Fred ?
Can you confirm your flu vaccine status please ?
We here all feel you need to protect yourself against the flu - every year - every season ¬

Eindecker

No Benedetta, you did not have smallpox, you had a vaccinia virus infection, vaccinia is not the same as the smallpox virus variola, if you want to read a good account of the history, and risks, of vaccinia vaccine try https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069029/ Inadvertent inoculation is the most common adverse event associated with smallpox vaccination. It occurred at a rate of 529 per million vaccinations in a 1968 study.20 Inadvertent or accidental inoculation usually occurs when a person transfers the vaccinia virus from the vaccination site to another location on their body, usually the eyes, mouth, nose, or genitalia.

Frederic Chopin

Hera,

Whenever you find evidence for wild polio in India since 1/2011 you just link that puppy.

Benedetta

Eindecker:
I had small pox.
I was given the small pox vaccine starting in the first grade in 1962, when I was six years old..
At the end of the third grade, on a nice spring day; I sat on the top balcony of the gym, and watched all the little kids, that would be attending first grade, the next coming school year; receive their vaccines.

Two weeks later I was in isolation ward in the hospital. I was delirious for several days, and was in the isolation ward for another two weeks. .
I had small pox.
They thought that I would be scared for life.
I was a solid blister.
But I got better with only a few scars, that are still will me to this day, on various parts of my body. .
The three doctors agreed that since my skin cleared up it was cow pox version of small pox used in the small pox vaccine.
There were two types of small pox all along. During Jenner's time there were two types of small pox viruses. Which I am pretty sure our ancestors knew all along. Probably why one town in England back a couple of hundred years ago, refused to have any more of the small pox vaccines, period. Jenner's version might have been worse than what was naturally going around, and worse spreading it.
We know very little about the microbe world, and even less about real history. We know only what we have been told and mostly it is slanted, and twisted.

My own parents did not receive their small pox vaccine until they were 10 years old.
When something leaves a permanent mark on your shoulder; you kind of remember when it was given to you.
In spite of that rather late age of receiving the small pox vaccine, my parents knew of no one that had small pox except some boy in some school off in some far off neighboring community.

As far as polio goes; Why did three stomach viruses that caused no problems for years, suddenly start causing sporadic epidemics in which if they did not out right kill, then would leave ever lasting disabilities?

Worse still: Will it happen again, that another benign virus will turn lethal?

My best friend in grade school woke up one morning, and could not move her neck, or arms. She too was put in the hospital. She too had a polio like disease, not caused by any of the three polio viruses but by the coxsackie virus. In recent years the hand, foot, and mouth disease caused by the coxsackie virus has become very common place in our children. My friend's grandchildren are all getting it.

We have people like Paul Offit that says; vitamins are bad especially vitamin C; and that our babies can take endless numbers of vaccine and be okay. That is simply not true.
We as a human race can not take endless numbers of vaccines for every microbe out there cause if nothing else there is not enough time in the day to do so.

Consider that according to the big, impressive, meeting by the gut microbiome scientists at the National Institute of Health' vaccines are like a sledge hammer to the gut microbiome. A vaccine might not just target the one and only problematic microbe,. but some other microbe that is; if not out right necessary ; will at least fill a niche, and crowd out some unhealthy microbe.

But boy; what a money maker it could be if the powers that be, could make and sell and give a vaccine for every microbe out there, and if that could happen, then there is all those mutating microbes. Endless, until there is not humans left to take them, or give them.

Linda1

"The rapid decline in smallpox burials after 1800 coincided with the widespread adoption of Jenner's cowpox vaccination method, and despite incomplete coverage and low levels of re-vaccination, vaccination programmes succeeded in reducing smallpox to a relatively minor cause of death by the beginning of civil registration in 1837."

Correlation does not equal causation.

Angus Files

Eindecker thank you for the link but as you know it has no basis in reality.Sadly where Jenners vaccination death cult,visited,death increased.It just depends in who you wish to believe Pharma sales rhetoric or real government figures from independent sources.

"In England and Wales, free vaccination was provided for smallpox in 1840, made compulsory in 1853, and in 1867 orders were given to prosecute evaders, therefore, few escaped vaccination. Deaths from smallpox in England and Wales during 1857-59 was recorded at 14,244; in 1863-65, 20,059; and 1870-72, 44,840.

Between the 1st and 2nd epidemic, there was only a 7% increase in population with an increase of smallpox deaths by 40.8%. During the 2nd and 3rd epidemic a 9% increase of population with an increase of smallpox deaths of 123% with an ever-multiplying number of vaccinations! Deaths per year from cancer in England and Wales between 1857-72 also began to rapidly increase."

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/was-smallpox-vaccine-really-a-great-success.aspx

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Hera

Sorry , just to follow up on that study with a correction re the time that had elapsed since the kids were given the vaccine; in fact some of those 11 kids were tested 106 months ( over 8 years) after they were given the vaccine. So; no shedding 8 years later = success?
How many years of being a carrier is considered acceptable?

Eindecker

Angus let's cut your blathering, you wrote ".You state from 1943 but there is loads of smallpox records prior to this but hardly any deaths. I gave you reference to some sporadic outbreaks in Scotland in the early 20C that the author concluded in 1943 were brought under control by vaccination>
Since you maintain smallpox wasn't a killer until after the introduction of Jenner's vaccine here's the situation pre-Jenner and after the introduction of vaccination in two London church yards
Smallpox mortality seems to have peaked in London in the 1760s, before declining slowly, and then rapidly after 1800 (both as a proportion of burials, and as absolute numbers of burials reported in the London Bills) (figure 1). The rapid decline in smallpox burials after 1800 coincided with the widespread adoption of Jenner's cowpox vaccination method, and despite incomplete coverage and low levels of re-vaccination, vaccination programmes succeeded in reducing smallpox to a relatively minor cause of death by the beginning of civil registration in 1837.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4373148/

If you can bear it look at Fig 1 Angus, pre-vaccination smallpox accounted for about 10% of burials, it was a major killer in late 18C England.

Hera

Hi Frederick Chopin,
When you break down the figures of the study you quoted it looks much less useful. OF those 96000 children, they decided to only test stool samples from Eleven kids.
Way to seriously limit the sample size!
The kids had been given the polio virus as long ago as three years (36 months) earlier.
And of those kids, per your study
"of these, 9 (69%) received OPV 3-106 months before stool specimen collection. Among 11 patients, stool specimens from 1 patient tested positive for polioviruses 34 months after OPV ingestion."
So , of the 11 kids they tested, one was still carrying the polio virus, and of course spreading it, 34 months later. More than two and a half years of spreading the virus..Hmm. Not exactly reassuring. And that , only using a stool sample size of eleven...

Hera

Frederick Chopin,

If you have been reading the literature about the OPV ( live polio vaccine) I am kind of surprised that you missed the fact that this is what is spreading polio.I am talking about vaccine derived polio and vaccine derived polio viral spread.In fact it is being commonly discussed in the literature, that vaccine derived polio is both causing cases of polio, and spreading and in some cases mutating into more virulent forms through vaccine polio carriers.

The paralysis that is spreading like wildfire in places like India, and that per a study linked in a previous comment, increases with live polio vaccination is almost certainly being caused by the live polio vaccine.

here is the quote again; you can find the study a couple of comments down

"NPAFP increased with the number of oral polio vaccine (OPV) doses used (R2 = 25.02%; P < .001). When effect of cumulative doses over the previous years was examined, the NPAFP rate in 2013 best correlated with the cumulative doses received in the previous 7 years (R2 = 57.16%), with 2012 excluded because data for this year were incomplete. This correlation was highly significant (P < .001). On multiple regression analysis, the number of OPV doses was the only factor that showed a positive correlation with the NPAFP rate. The average increase in the NPAFP rate was 1.31 per 100 000 population (P < .001; 95% confidence interval, 1.11–1.52) with each dose of OPV. The NPAFP rate in UP and Bihar, which had consistently increased each year until 2011, decreased in the 2 states in 2012, coinciding with a reduction in doses of OPV administered."

My previous comment ( which may well have been rambling;sorry!) was describing why your belief that of course they were identifying cases of vaccine derived polio accurately was probably wrong.

Frederic Chopin

Hera,

There may be literally a handful of cases in the medical literature of selective IgA deficiency causing prolonged excretion after OPV. I have a hard time finding any though. In this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25316858 there were only 13 immunodeficient subjects found out of 96,000 screened and the only one who was a long term excreter had a severe immunodeficiency.

Your last post was kind of rambling but I gather you're trying to say there is still wild polio in India. The last time it was found was in JAN 2011 despite testing all those AFP cases and testing 100s of thousands of water samples with their environmental surveillance program.

Morag

Angus ,don't let that pair of Jimmy one wingers Eindecker and Chopin sicken yer happiness whit type of smallpox are they blethering on about anyway [1] modified [2] Discrete [3] confluent] [4] or malignant .
Three articles I'm sure will be of interest to you .
[1] [PDF] Transformational Change in NHS Providers - The Health Foundation www. health.org uk sites transformationalchangeinnhsproviders.cc suppliment
[2] [PDF] Towards a Million Change Agents' Areview https/www.england.Nhs.Uk improvement
[3] The NHS Common Purpose .Towards aMillion Change Agents/Uk by Martin Edwards May 2013
The Pesky Care Quality Comissioners have got a note of their back bumper numbers and cap badges . They can expect to be getting unannounced spot check visits when they least expect them !
Do They Feel Lucky ? go on make ma day and keep ahead of the Industry/political gamblers twisters and lackies who would surely sell their own mothers and grannies in the same fashion as they did during the hitler youth movement of the 1930's

Hera

Hi Frederick Chopin,

Re polio testing; no they don't rule out polio first, in fact apparently if there is no stool sample it is automatically considered NPAFP. Stool samples have to be collected within 14 days of onset or they are less likely to still have polio present, even if polio is the cause.

Have you done any research into the difficulty of finding/providing health care in rural India?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-has-highest-number-of-deaths-of-children-under-five-years-of-age/articleshow/46722307.cms


It seems deeply unlikely that within ten days, researchers are cheerfully stepping over children dying from malnutrition, who lack even basic sanitation, while paying home visits to anyone with paralysis to collect stool samples, because they are so on top of the health condition of all the children ( and adults) in the area, that they can collect those samples (ideally) within 24 -48 hours onset of symptoms, and certainly within 14 days..

And what about the deaths? Are post mortems being done on all those dead, malnourished children to check if they actually died of polio?
It seems extremely unlikely that they are able to
a) identify all paralyzed ( or dead) individuals within 24 -48 hours, or even within two weeks
or B) get stool samples from all of them,
particularly in rural areas. And of course, it is to the health care program managers' advantage not to, as everyone wants to make it look like they are doing a good job,and it makes the polio vaccination program look better if you don't find any polio, and it is really bad if your program is causing paralysis...Those annoying paralyzed people are best defined as being caused by something else..
And if the money and staff is really there to cover all of India and take stool samples from all of the sick ( or dead) throughout the whole of India, including rural areas, who may have potential polio; then why aren't they providing the kids all the kids with one healthy meal a day instead, which would certainly save many more lives.

you could get a lot of food in India for the price of a single stool test in a lab.

By the way, IGA deficiency has been linked repeatedly with polio vaccine created infectious carriers; yet it is not a serious immune deficiency.
CDC says OPV is contraindicated for IGA deficiency patients
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/a/immuno-table.pdf

However, IGA deficiency is often undiagnosed, and is relatively common (1 in 500 in caucasians, not taking into acocunt the fact that there are probably many more undiagnosed people out there....)

https://primaryimmune.org/about-primary-immunodeficiencies/specific-disease-types/selective-iga-deficiency

From the article
."Many affected people have no illness as a result. Others may develop a variety of significant clinical problems."

by the way, as you can see , we posted about the same time, and before your comment, I had already mentioned stool samples. CDc doesn't think much of saliva samples; they are not recommended..

BY the way,you are right ; in stating " autoimmune syndromes", I was referring to immunodeficiency not autoimmune disease. And while autoimmune disease is different from immunodeficiency, at least in the case of IGA deficiency, they often go together.

Angus Files

Well not so quick Eindeker- You, Chop ,Pharma talk about “vaccinating whole countries” your Pharma Correct(PC) words not mine. Scotland is part of the UK and would have been included in the whole UK figures and documented as such.You state from 1943 but there is loads of smallpox records prior to this but hardly any deaths. I know for a fact that my granny was “vaccinated at birth smallpox” in 1884 as that’s what`s written on her birth certificate.Back then your talking the real wilds of Scotland.If they reached here, back then, they certainly covered the whole of Scotland not just a selective town here and there.Your argument suggests seductiveness nope it was wall to wall carpet vaccination of the whole UK Eindecker . The various records show the biggest killer in Scotland back then due to the weather climate was TB not Smallpox. On further research I see AOA would have been very welcome in Jenners time,( I am not alone )and anti-vaccination campaigns were a lot more militant than they are now. Why ,you must ask yourself if your of fair mind Eindecker as you project to be? why as below were the population so against Jenner wanting his head snicked off! Prey tell me,was it because some sort of evil he was casting onto populations where there were no deaths from smallpox prior to vaccination but after vaccination deaths were occurring? It certainly seems the case. In the very poor recorded public health records that there are from Jenners time in Scotland ,I also read smallpox was often registered as chicken pox or measles as they had the same symptoms nausea, sore head, dizziness, and at worse delirium .Maybe the people noticed that they were not able to form a type 1 response anymore to the small pox vaccination and with only a type 2 response it wasn’t enough to kill the small word with the big lie behind it, hence making a pesky illness into Jenner cult death syndrom AKA vaccination. You see your argument has been turned on its head there were little or no deaths prior to smallpox vaccination . Where probably there were no deaths before Jenner appeared with his money spinning small name with a big lie.

http://broughttolife.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/objects/display?id=5280

“Vaccination was a painful and occasionally deadly process, considered medically unproven by some and state intrusion by others. Were there other ways to protest? Local pressure groups and a National Anti-vaccination League fought the legislation. Rallies and public demonstrations were common. But since your father’s change in views, he would have missed the giant parade in Leicester in 1885, when up to 100,000 people marched with an effigy of Edward Jenner, the father of vaccination, which they hung and then decapitated.”

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P.S.(Pharmascript) the link isn`t Whale your safe to click it.

Frederic Chopin

Hera,

Polio is one of many causes of AFP.

"So, how do we rule out whether the paralysis is polio or not? We can't use a lab test, per the CDC, to rule out polio, because it won't always stay in the CSF fluid."

You left out the part where the CDC recommends stool and throat swabs, not spinal taps, because they are much more sensitive than CSF. In India all cases of AFP are investigated with DNA studies of stool specimens, so it's highly unlikely they'd miss a polio case. Only in cases where polio has been ruled out do they diagnose NP AFP, and the diagnosis has nothing to do with their vaccination status.

Vaccine-induced polio is different from wild-type and can be distinguished from it easily with stool DNA testing. There is one case for about every 1 - 2.7 million doses of OPV, and OPV is being phased out for IPV anyway.

There's no reason to screen vaccine recipients for autoimmune diseases. You may be confusing that with immunodeficiency. Long term excreters of OPV usually have a severe immunodeficiency.

I wouldn't take much Jacob Puliyel says seriously. His opinion that OPV causes NP-AFP is just more of his AV nonsense. The rise in NP AFP cases is due to the AFP surveillance system they started in 1997 to monitor polio eradication progress. India is a 3rd world country of over 1.3 billion people.

Hera

Re the polio, to follow up, they do send a stool sample to see if there is polio in that ( having already decided that people who are vaccinated shouldn't be considered for a polio diagnosis, so we won't test their stool)..And that stool sample needs to be gathered very quickly, or they may not find polio anyway.

Of course, testing the sewerage system in multiple countries, has revealed the presence of multiple carriers of polio, whose stool shows they are carrying live virus derived from the polio vaccine.

In other less that cheering news, in some cases these carriers of OPV vaccine polio have actually caused the virus to mutate into a more dangerous form. perhaps that explains why people who have "Non Polio acute flaccid paralysis" NPAFP, have worse paralysis and a more likely to die, than those who are actually diagnosed with "Polio"

So we have vaccine produced carriers, spreading polio in their stool. In a country like India, with poor sanitation anyway, its hardly surprising that this is creating many cases of polio symptoms and paralysis.

Eindecker

Errr Angus perhaps they only vaccinated where it was still endemic and yet to be eliminated, do you think that might just be the answer to your question?
Here's information about controlling outbreaks of smallpox in Scotland for you, written up in 1943 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/003591574303600507 Conclusion at the end If the numbers of cases in the smallpox waves preceding general vaccination are compared with the numbers in the waves following vaccination, the comparison shows an association in time between the campaigns and the progressive reduction in the waves.
Many other factors must have been involved, but the records are consistent with a theory that the spread of smallpox in each area was controlled by vaccination.

Hera

Hi Frederick Chopin,
You asked Hans Litten about NPAFP, the paralysis that has been massively increasing in India with the oral polio vaccination program.
The thing is per the CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/us/hcp.html
Acute flaccid paralysis is basically indistinguishable from "polio"
"Consider polio in patients who have unexplained AFP. A probable case of polio is defined as an acute onset of flaccid paralysis of one or more limbs with decreased or absent tendon reflexes in the affected limbs, without other apparent cause, and without sensory or cognitive loss. Paralysis usually begins in the arm or leg on one side of the body (asymmetric) and then moves towards the end of the arm or leg (progresses to involve distal muscle groups). This is described as descending paralysis. Many patients with AFP will have a lumbar puncture and analysis of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) performed as part of their evaluation. Detection of poliovirus in CSF from confirmed polio cases is uncommon, and a negative CSF test result cannot be used to rule out polio."

So, how do we rule out whether the paralysis is polio or not? We can't use a lab test, per the CDC, to rule out polio, because it won't always stay in the CSF fluid.

In a ridiculous Catch 22 how we decide whether they have polio or not;

We ask if the person is vaccinated.

"Consider polio in patients with polio-like symptoms, especially if the person is unvaccinated and recently traveled abroad to a place where polio still occurs, or was exposed to a person who recently traveled from one of these areas."

Unvaccinated with paralysis and no polio in CSF = polio

So, vaccinated with the same paralysis and symptoms and no polio in CSF = polio. No. No.

They don't have "polio" because ; (even though they were vaccinated with something that can cause polio), they must have instead "Non Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis."

And of course we all know that the Oral Polio Virus is a live virus that can both cause polio, and can also create live virus polio carriers for as long, in some cases, as 30 years.
We also know that we do not check for autoimmune syndromes that would result in someone becoming a polio carrier from the OPV vaccine, before we vaccinate, in India, or ( back when we used the OPV in America), we did not test for autoimmune diseases first here either.

So we vaccinate, knowing we are creating polio carriers. In vaccinated areas, there is a huge increase in paralysis. We know polio is hard to find in a lab result, even if it is the cause. So
the theory apparently is that some strange phenomena is causing many cases of polio symptoms at the same time, and in the same communities, as we are spreading the weakened live virus.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/135/Supplement_1/S16.2

"NPAFP increased with the number of oral polio vaccine (OPV) doses used (R2 = 25.02%; P < .001). When effect of cumulative doses over the previous years was examined, the NPAFP rate in 2013 best correlated with the cumulative doses received in the previous 7 years (R2 = 57.16%), with 2012 excluded because data for this year were incomplete. This correlation was highly significant (P < .001). On multiple regression analysis, the number of OPV doses was the only factor that showed a positive correlation with the NPAFP rate. The average increase in the NPAFP rate was 1.31 per 100 000 population (P < .001; 95% confidence interval, 1.11–1.52) with each dose of OPV. The NPAFP rate in UP and Bihar, which had consistently increased each year until 2011, decreased in the 2 states in 2012, coinciding with a reduction in doses of OPV administered."

By the way, Hans Litten, thank you for cutting and pasting and including sources; it is really useful when people provide the sources of their statements!


Angus Files

Chop the population in 1966 was 3,390,685,523 growing to 7,349,472,099 by 1980.Despite my best endeavors I can only find i.e. the WHO, American Government, Russia etc contributing at best 900 million doses of smallpox vaccine during this period. Where are all the other billions of doses of smallpox vaccines accounted for? Going by my research its even less than 10% not even 1% that could have received a vaccine based on the above population.

My most generous one of my research searches is as below,it shows a minuscule amount of smallpox vaccine compared to world population but it is paraded as if it saved the world from smallpox,how ridiculous you don`t seriously believe this myth do you?.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069029/

If its a myth its a generous one.

Pharma For Prison
MMR RIP

Frederic Chopin

Angus,

Intentionally or not (who knows?) you've created a strawman argument. I didn't say "the whole population has been vaccinated". What I said was the common AV claim that only 10% of the population was vaccinated during the eradication of smallpox was a myth.

Angus Files

Chop it matters not whether its smallpox, polio, or rinderpest, you’re arguing about. Your using the same ridiculous non-hypothesis backed with no evidence foolishly claiming that the whole population has been vaccinated. Very simply, because your evidence so far is the disgusting spoon-fed Pharma Correct (PC) vaccine advertising rhetoric. The bottom line is there has never at anytime in the planets creation been enough vaccines made ever, to vaccinate the whole planet as you preciously claim. All your argument is at best, is a smokescreen for a failed vaccine policy at the detriment of human wellbeing and survival sad indeed.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Hans Litten

Posted by: Frederic Chopin | April 17, 2018 at 10:07 AM

And you'll be soon be out of work with the freedom of speech lockdowns in pipeline.
What will you do then ?

EU planning to make it illegal to discuss immigration policy.
CaliforPANia planning to make it illegal to discuss the dark side of Pharma.
Fakebook, Gaggle & YouLie planning to block all content that challenges vaccination.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/california-bill-would-shut-down-free-speech/

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/famous-figures-who-should-immediately-be-banned-by-facebook/

https://searchlight-germany.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/swedish-feminists-want-to-ban-parties.html

Next thing you know the BBC will refuse to ever write the name William Thompson !
CDC whistleblower (who changed everything !) A damn hero (Brian Hooker too).

Frederic Chopin

Hans,

Hans everyone has an important role here and yours can be randomly copy/pasting stuff.

Hans Litten

Posted by: Frederic Chopin | April 17, 2018 at 04:52 AM (this must hurt too)

http://vaccinepapers.org/high-aluminum-content-autistic-brains/

Accumulating evidence implicates aluminum adjuvants as a cause of autism. Autism is caused by inflammation in the brain during early development (gestation and first few years of life). The specific inflammation signals (i.e. cytokines) that cause autism are interleukin-6 (IL-6) and interleukin-17a (IL-17a). Aluminum adjuvants stimulate this specific type of inflammation in the brain.

There have been no epidemiological studies of Al adjuvant exposure and autism, except for one ecological study (Tomljenovic 2011). Ecological studies analyze aggregate, population-level data (e.g. comparing disease prevalence and exposures in a region or country). Ecological studies do not utilize data on individuals. For this reason, ecological studies are primarily for identifying hypotheses for further research. They are not worth much.

If Al adjuvant is responsible for much of the rise in autism, then autistics should have elevated brain aluminum levels. A new study (Mold et al 2017) by Dr Chris Exley’s research group provides the first-ever measurements of aluminum in autistic brains. In this article I show that the aluminum levels in autistic brains are abnormally high. Brain aluminum content is highly nonuniform, in healthy or diseased brains. Adjacent brain samples can have dramatically different Al concentrations. Consequently, many measurements and statistical methods are necessary to determine if aluminum is elevated or normal.

Hans Litten

Posted by: Frederic Chopin | April 16, 2018 at 12:23 PM (This has got to hurt !)

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/yale-study-shows-association-between-vaccines-brain-disorders/

A team of researchers from the Yale School of Medicine and Penn State College of Medicine have found a disturbing association between the timing of vaccines and the onset of certain brain disorders in a subset of children.

Analyzing five years’ worth of private health insurance data on children ages 6-15, these scientists found that young people vaccinated in the previous three to 12 months were significantly more likely to be diagnosed with certain neuropsychiatric disorders than their non-vaccinated counterparts.

This new study, which raises important questions about whether over-vaccination may be triggering immune and neurological damage in a subset of vulnerable children (something parents of children with autism have been saying for years), was published in the peer-reviewed journal Frontiers in Psychiatry, Jan. 19.

Frederic Chopin

Angus,

You claimed only 10% ("at best") of people were vaccinated for smallpox and now you're talking about polio.

But your argument is if we go back 50,000 years to the dawn of Homo sapiens and start counting what percentage of the 107 billion people who have ever lived on Earth were vaccinated for smallpox we can say it was no more than 10%? That's how you guys come up with 10%?

Angus Files

Chop its easy to work out no need to be derogatory about sites you don’t agree with.
I`ll explain ..
“There are currently seven billion people alive today and the Population Reference Bureau estimates that about 107 billion people have ever lived. This means that we are nowhere near close to having more alive than dead. In fact, there are 15 dead people for every person living.4 Feb 2012”

Right! My claim is that at best only 10% were ever vaccinated with Polio shots.

This from one of your dont question indoctrinating web sites ..WHO “Globally, more than 10 million volunteers have administered about 10 billion doses of polio vaccine on hundreds of national and subnational immunization days at a cost of US$ 4.5 billion, since the “...

Again I ask, I dont follow how did 10% Polio vaccination uptake rate eradicate Polio world wide?

Pharma For Prison
MMR RIP

Frederic Chopin

Hans,

There's no question the NP (which stands for non-polio BTW) AFP rates have risen in India during the polio eradication program. But why do you, Hans Litten, think that's happened? You don't need to copy/paste anything.

Jeannette Bishop

Sheesh, the levels of paralyses in our society can just go on and on roughly as they are, maybe they're even increasing, we don't really care, cause we've perfected the formulating of what we believe to be assuaging acronyms to the tee!

Hans Litten

Nice Try Freddie - wont work sunshine

http://www.healthfreedoms.org/has-bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-cause-over-47000-paralysis-deaths/

Has Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Cause Over 47,000 Paralysis Deaths?

Do you want the link of an infowars reporter asking Billy the Kid directly about it ?
And Billys pathetic sidestep !

Frederic Chopin

Hans,

What does the NP in NP AFP stand for?

Hans Litten

Talk about ridiculous comments:) We still vaccinate for polio because it's not yet eradicated (last year there were 22 wild type cases). And you're the UK editor of AoA ? Once it's eradicated we'll stop though, don't worry. Do you also believe we still vaccinate kids for smallpox? Gonna Google that?

Posted by: Frederic Chopin | April 15, 2018 at 04:38 PM

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And 62,000 NPAFP cases right Freddie ? (or did you forget ? Alzheimers ?)
And who is "we" ?

Now you are being ridiculous, they will never stop , until they are made to !
Or they have wiped everyone out of course (including your bloodline)

Frederic Chopin

Angus,

I've seen lot's of AVs claim that but the only reference I ever saw one give for it was Whale.

Angus Files

Chop when only at best 10% of the world were only ever vaccinated for smallpox how could the vaccine have eradicated it?

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Frederic Chopin

John,

"That’s the most ridiculous comment I have ever read - the absence of polio hasn’t stopped anyone vaccinating against it, the presumption being that it might come back."

Talk about ridiculous comments:) We still vaccinate for polio because it's not yet eradicated (last year there were 22 wild type cases). And you're the UK editor of AoA ? Once it's eradicated we'll stop though, don't worry. Do you also believe we still vaccinate kids for smallpox? Gonna Google that?

pharmster

Frederic believes we are living in a land of unicorns and rainbows where the pharmas exist to make people happy and healthy and not to make money.

if this is so how can we explain this:

Merck covers up deadly Vioxx effects while they kill tens of thousands
GSK engaging in bribery all around the world
Pharmas caught in massive price-fixing conspiracy
Knowingly marketing deadly antipsychotics to the elderly
Hiding increased suicides from SSRIs while marketing them for children
Creating a population of opioid drug addicts
Knowingly selling HIV contaminated blood products

It is just a business what else do you think it is?

John Stone

Fred

That’s the most ridiculous comment I have ever read - the absence of polio hasn’t stopped anyone vaccinating against it, the presumption being that it might come back. We keep on eradicating diseases that come back. Anyhow the industry have had a 60 year run with vaccinating against polio - billions of doses - so they are doing alright.

Anonymous

Go Trump.
We were able to extend the life of our toner cartridge by covering the sensor. Might work for you. All the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8xk6S8QxPE

https://lifehacker.com/5863700/get-more-pages-out-of-your-printer-when-the-toner-is-low-by-covering-the-sensor

Frederic Chopin

John,

Are you saying Goldman Sachs is biotech? Or that pharmaceutical companies are taking GS's investment advise and applying it to medical research? Because, for example, why are pharmaceuticals still making polio vaccines? Once polio is eradicated that whole market is done.

susan welch

Fred. Your comments re 'an investment company' sums up your attitude, i.e. 'what does health (both mental and physical) matter, as long as we make money for our shareholders?'

I don't know why you even bother to comment on this site because it is obvious that you cannot understand the distress of families who are suffering from the devastating effects of vaccine injury and we, certainly, cannot understand someone who argues that making a profit for shareholders is more important than health.

I can only assume you comment to relieve your boredom

Morag

Really good article and fab Chris Rock really has the situation Ear-marked, Ring-fenced ,Dove tailed and streamlined right down to the Euro-Dollar punctuation point .
We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs ! youtube " Blazing saddles "
Great article and good timing as well as this is Homeopathy awareness week .
See Homeopathy A history of Opposition -Extraordinary Medicine .
States -The American Medical Association was founded in 1848 in large part to oppose the spread of homeopathy. The biggest complaint about homeopaths was that they were getting all the business through medical success for folk . This was causing the corner shop chemists/ barra boys to throw temper tantrums in the market place square at the loss of pharmaceutical preperation profits !
Not A put down on medical science either orthopaedics advances is just great !
Billy Connolly puts the right treatment at the right time in it's place very well

Billy Connolly Aromatherapy Youtube Swear Word Warning Alert .Not appropriate for folk with swear word sensitivities .

Sai

This piece need to be widely circulated. I have already forwarded to three of my friends who usually donate for “cures” and “walks”. Big Pharma need to be fought at every level.

Angus Files

"in the case of vaccine manufacturers without liability."

No place like Utopia,Psycho Pharma have taken care of everything !!

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Science is pure.  People are corrupt.

An analysis in 2010 found that two thirds of American medical research was commercially funded, a fraction that has continued to increase subsequently, and the result has been one of the greatest tragedies in human history.

John Stone

Fred

They are all just corporations - they are driven by making money for their shareholders, in the case of vaccine manufacturers without liability. You can can call it a conspiracy or you can call it business: chronic disease is much more lucrative than cure. If you have an area of civil life in which there are no sanctions for wicked behaviour what do you suppose is going to happen?

John Stone

Jeannette

I recall a talk by Paul Shattock more than 20 years ago in a freezing local church hall in which he complained that genetic research was swallowing all the money to no purpose, and he had every expectation that this would go on - Paul was perhaps more interested in organo-phosphates than vaccines - but it was a hideously accurate prophecy. In 2006 Francis Collins - still head of the human genome project - admitted to Congress that the rise in autism was not a genetic phenomenon but still the waste and distraction continued when he became head of NIH. Today, after three decades of yearly expanding human damage, official science has made no progress either with identifying the causes or finding cures. It might not have mattered if they had simply wasted billions of dollars, but they have wasted millions of lives, and it is hard not to conclude that they did it deliberately.

Tim Lundeen

@cia parker Fascinating that cell salts had that response for you. Judy Hoy had great success treating pesticide/herbicide-injured animals with Calc Phos, and it helped her own chemical sensitivities. We didn't see any obvious difference in the 6 weeks we tried them for ourselves. But we live in a low-toxin environment, on the edge of the woods, so maybe we didn't need them that much...

I wish more people would read Judy's book, Changing Faces: The Consequences of Exposure to Gene and Thyroid Disrupting Toxins. It's like a modern-day Silent Spring, truly horrifying.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1979134804/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Frederic Chopin

John, they're an investment company. They invest in and recommend investing in projects that generate the most revenue. They aren't part of the big conspiracy.

michael

Cia, Bayareamom--I'm in the homeopathy club too. From this article https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/legal-tips/patricide-by-the-fda/ is this quote,


“It’s dangerous,” “It’s unapproved,” and “You cannot do this.” But what it all really came down to was what was quietly stated to me by one FDA agent when he admitted, “If your client’s [homeopathic] product had never been successful, then we never would have come after you.”

Bayareamom

@Cia:

"Homeopathy is as inexpensive as vitamin C, and could treat and cure millions, humans or animals, of anything they had. Just another medical crime that allopathy has been waging war on it only to protect its own prestige and profits for over a century. "

I enjoy reading your comments, but to me, this last one is one of the best comments you've ever written. And - I completely agree. Homeopathy literally saved our son.

cia parker

Another disruptive technology which has the potential to prevent or cure almost everything is homeopathy. The book The Solution by Kate Birch and Cilla Whatcott and several of those by Dr. Isaac Golden discuss and explain the use of homeopathic nosodes to prevent any of the vaccine-preventable diseases, and they also discuss some of the many scientific studies which show their astonishing success in many epidemics of contagious disease. And there are many books on the use of homeopathic remedies. I have had success several times in using it. Several weeks ago I was worried because one of our parakeets, Sprite, had started sleeping all the time, his head tucked into the feathers of his back. He just sat with his feathers puffed up. He hadn't chirped in several months. Kiwi was regurgitating food to feed to Sprite, the same way Kiwi did with Rafik three years ago, our last parakeet to die of heart disease. I googled it, looking for suggestions for the treatment of heart disease in parakeets, and found a Canadian homeopathic company called Homeopet (Homeoanimo in its French version, with Coeur the same remedy available there. Also remedies to treat liver, kidney, respiratory disease, and more). I didn't think the species made any difference, and ordered Heart and three more remedies that they said would make the Heart remedy act faster and be more effective. Nat mur, calc phos and ferrum phos. They said that they would work in many ways on many levels to normalize heart function. I've been dissolving two pellets of one of the last three and putting a little in their water, and diluting a little of the Heart remedy in filtered water and putting it in a spray bottle to spray into Sprite's eye from outside the cage, so it's absorbed quickly. And within one day he was better, and by one week after I started treatment three weeks ago he was back to normal. Now he flies around the room with energy, sits in the window moving around normally, and has started chirping again. I haven't seen him sleeping with his head in his back for two weeks. It is a real miracle, inexpensive, safe, effective, and available to all of us.

Homeopathy is as inexpensive as vitamin C, and could treat and cure millions, humans or animals, of anything they had. Just another medical crime that allopathy has been waging war on it only to protect its own prestige and profits for over a century.

Jeannette Bishop

@Mr. Stone, I assume the business new sources very likely communicate more effectively with you than with my addled brain. I mostly get this something-doesn't-add-up feeling (which maybe should be the telling part) or maybe something-doesn't-add-up-comfortably and it too often drives me away, but taking your advice and looking at this a second time...

"The potential to deliver 'one shot cures' is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies," analyst Salveen Richter wrote in the note to clients Tuesday. "While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow."

Is the above their way of saying, "you know all the money we've directed into genetics" (instead of environmental research that some crazy autism parents want, for instance) ..."well, it's not going to amount to as much as you were led you to believe?"..."but of course, that's not because there are problems with it or anything...it's because we have to make money...?"

Isn't the discussion regarding concerns about "blended up" DNA fragments in our vaccines (fetal and animal, I think) founded upon the failure to control where the DNA fragments go in gene therapy (or am I mis-conflating, and oversimplifying)? It sounded to me like vaccine safety advocates were saying that they've abandoned gene therapy largely because of this problem (is that another explanation that doesn't add up)?

Also, should we expect for unspecified reasons epidemics of hemophilia, SMA, and "genetic" eye disorders (but not because of any environmental changes GS may be invested in...of course)?

go Trump

They can design anything to last exactly how long they want it to.

Less than a year back, I spent about $50 for some new ink cartridges, the printer is programmed to clean the cartridges rather often, and there is nothing you can do about it. They are now nearly all empty again and I would guess I have printed less than 20 pages. The entire US economy is being programmed that way.

Everything is some sort of "insurance or you need protection" racket. They always want the money first, you figure out what you actually got months later.

A typical doctor is $400,000 in debt and the hospitals are a billion dollars in debt, they need $500 a visit to keep things running with the most important issue making sure you come back

David Weiner

@Tim Lundeen,

Exactly right. That is one of the ways that medical establishment keeps down "disruptive" technologies, such as high dose Vitamin C. Claim that they require more studies. Expensive studies which nobody has the financial incentive to fund. We can't just allow the doctors and patients decide what they want to do, right?

Besides for stalling, in the case of something like vitamin C which can't be outright banned, you have the banning of threatening approaches, prohibitions against advertising competing methods, etc. Not to mention not teaching any of this stuff in medical school. The monopoly is maintained in many different ways.

John Stone

Jeannette

It is always important to keep your eyes on the business new if you really want understand what they are doing - that's where they tell you.

Jeannette Bishop

My gut feeling is this report is not for "us" exactly, more like for the consciences of those who will be employed in a system which may be seeing (if we just let the currently trajectory continue) rapidly falling life expectancy and fertility and "healthcare" depleted pensions and maybe essentially increasing homelessness for most of "us" and possibly more and more cures kept under wraps. This line of reasoning is so one can tell oneself "it just has to be this way," I think.

There could be money in cures if the consumer could be free to demand cures over other options (and demanded the option to choose to try anything at their own risk) and providers free to provide the available options. A free internet would really facilitate this IMO.

Also, there would be even more overall money, some say way more money, from a healthy, productive innovating population for investors themselves, the directions that wealth takes in society might be less predictable/controllable maybe, so I have to assume that GS investors aren't really interested in seeing a rise in overall health, longevity, productivity and wealth, even their own. I think they are interested in a sick kind of control.

Linda1

The real solution is of course to go back to the pre Nixon era when health care was not for profit.

The outrageous part of this reality is that they don't think they have to hide that they are seeking to milk rather than cure disease.

Beyond sick. Sociopathic sociology.

Tim Lundeen

@David Weiner -- you are right on the money re monopolies.

For example, here's a fascinating study about using Vitamin C to treat sepsis: http://www.jccjournal.org/article/S0883-9441(17)31059-6/fulltext

After talking about all the failed treatment attempts for sepsis, all of which involved custom drugs that would have had very high prices, they look at Vitamin C.

Small-scale studies show that Vitamin C lowers mortality rates by 5 times (from 40% to 8%), and this is even at lower doses than recommended by Dr Klenner and other pioneers. Using Vitamin C with optimal dosing should lower mortality even more.

So what does the paper conclude? That "Further research is required to prove its [Vitamin C's] value in treatment...".

The reason drug trials use large numbers of patients is because new drugs usually have only small benefits, so you need a lot of patients to see them. But a 5x improvement is obvious with small trials, and is overwhelmingly likely to apply to larger numbers (p < 0.0000001 as they say).

Sane people would think that a 5x reduction in mortality doesn't need more study to become the standard of care. It's just unfortunate (for the medical business) that the treatment costs less than $50, instead of the thousands they could charge for patented drugs. Not to mention that officially using Vitamin C in the mainstream medical business might make people think they should try it for other things too.

annie

Sheds a whole new light on what they really mean by "preventative" health care.

David Weiner

This critique of our medical system is very true, but it is important to understand that this phenomenon can only really happen in a monopolistic system such as the one we have now. In an open, competitive system, entrepreneurs who find ways to cure people WILL be able to do so. This phenomenon is referred to by economists as creative destruction. It happens all the time in other industries in which there is more economic freedom. PC's destroyed the mainframe computer market. Netflix pushed out Blockbuster. And so on. Sure, these changes destroyed certain companies' revenue streams, but they created new revenue streams for others. This is how true economic advancement takes place.

And this is why economic freedom is so critical to health care. As long as we have the various licensing laws and regulations, the key players (doctors, pharma, equipment manufacturers, hospitals, etc.) will be able to use our health care system for their own purposes, not for the sake of its customers.

For anyone who wants to get a better understanding of how the laws and regulations lead to the cartels we have today, check out the outstanding documentary "Hoxsey: How Healing Becomes a Crime". It can be found on youtube.

John Stone

Fred

But they only want to invest in keeping people ill.

Frederic Chopin

Goldman Sachs is an investment company.

pharmster

They left out solution 4: Add more vaccines.

bob moffit

Christ Rock "Ain't no money in the cure, the money's in the medicine...that's how a drug dealer makes his money, on the comeback."

This is why a majority of industries employ a policy of "planned obsolescence" .. defined as "deliberately producing consumer goods that rapidly become obsolete and so require replacing, achieved by frequent changes in design, termination of the supply of spare parts, and the use of nondurable materials."

Happens all the time .. and, nowhere is the policy of planned obsolescence more apparent than the vaccine industry .. which would explain why vaccine manufacturers are ALWAYS "replacing" existing vaccines as obsolete .. requiring "new and improved" .. multi-dose vaccines .. thereby immediately denying public access to choose single dose vaccines.

These "multi-dose" vaccines are simply COST EFFECTIVE .. for pediatricians and manufacturers .. as is the use of Formaldehyde .. a well known toxin .. for providing longer-lasting shelf-life of the vaccines in which it is used. Neither "cost effectiveness" nor "shelf-life" have anything to do with protecting a child's health .. however ... both do a lot to protect the vaccine interests for increasing PROFIT MARGINS.

One example would be the MMR .. which was REQUIRED because the single dose measles, mumps and rubella vaccines that had just been recommended by Dr Wakefield for being safer .. were no longer available .. having been replaced by the only vaccine made available .. the MMR.


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