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Vicious Death Threat Emailed to Dr. Suzanne Humphries: "I'm gonna F'ing Murder You You F'ing C-word."

Protector angelBy Kim Rossi

"This email that came through [last night] was different." Dr. Suzanne Humphries.

A vicious death threat email was sent to Dr. Suzanne Humphries from a secure server in Germany that is designed to protect users from tracking.  You and I might have been tempted once or twice to anonymously post a nasty comment here or there (well, never here at A of A.)  I remember commenting something snarky on an old autism blog a decade ago not realizing that IP addresses were trackable - dopey me!  I got caught.  That said... We don't seek out specially designed servers to use a version of the dark web.  Nor do we threaten torture in technicolor, gleeful detail. That's beyond the pale and into psychopathy.


Dr. Suzanne Humphries is doing the right thing by reading this vile email to the public.  Hatred dies in sunshine.

Many of us have been subjected to threats, sometimes veiled as jokes. Remember when one pro-vaxxer joked that Dan and Mark should be "shot?" Ha ha - vaccine pun.  I think it was that woman... Lordy I can't even remember her name. She had a popular blog and a son with severe autism name Charlie. Vox something or other?

I had a cartoon removed from Science blogs many years ago, because the tone went beyond a joke.  Just two weeks ago, Mark Blaxill and I sat with Dr. Andy Wakefield at an art gallery in Massachusetts.  Anyone could have been in the audience. And as much as I love my martial arts, in the rock scissors paper of life, guns from 6 feet away beat kicks and punches every time.  I rarely carry my nunchaku in my purse. (Oy!)

I hope Paul Offit, Brian Deer, Orac Gorski, Dorit Rubenstein Reiss, Amy Pisani, Dr. Richard Pan and any and ALL pro-vaccine advocates come out and say "NO," to this violent threat. To ANY violent threat.  It's the human thing to do, even if opinions are diametrically opposite.

Please keep Dr. Suzanne, Polly and everyone in our community in your thoughts of safety and care. May archangel Michael wrap all of us in his shield of protection.  And as much as Dr. Suzanne says God is her bodyguard, nothing replaces vigilance. And a bodyguard may be a good idea at least short term for her.

If you see something, say something. Trust your alarm bells if they ring in your head.

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Yaw Peprah

Great write-up!

Jeannette Bishop

I was able to live-stream Dr. Humphries's talk at Cal Jam last night. I'll need to listen to the same or a similar lecture about six times to get all the related threads somewhat organized in my head regarding the use and societal wide effects of (maybe first dtap, then...) HiB (previously bordetella pertussis?) vaccine, then strep, pneumococcal vaccines, the resulting changes in the prevalence of non-vaccine targeted infections and even the rise of evolved strains we don't have currently have technology to target with a vaccine (but don't worry, they're working on it).

Maybe in part because I'm feeling like I've destroyed my daughter's future with the application of a totally inane (apparently on all sides) "Scientific" endeavor at this point (we've got to keep "saving lives" with vaccines because someday we're SURE we will), I'm pretty deflated, but I hope those who attended Cal Jam feel more empowered to empower their patients & customers with this information, information that further destroys the charlatan-on-steroids government-wedded-corporation-captured-melded-whatever-make-the-wealthiest-share-holders-happy industry's sales pitch that vaccines are about protecting the "herd," or even protecting the individual.

Del Bigtree has been making a strong argument IMO about how much vaccination is a faith-based practice, essentially a religious practice, in the U.S. an unconstitutional (my addition I think) state-sponsored religion, lately. So I think it might be accurate to say that Dr. Humphries and the Autism Trust is being threatened by a radicalized religious zealot trying to force his religion on others, or conspiring agents of a corrupt "priesthood" trying to maintain their sway maybe.

I keep Dr. Humphries and all vaccine risk awareness advocates in my prayers daily. I'm grateful they are speaking out and are continuing the fight.

John Stone

David

Of course, I was not being accusatory about it and Linda has even found a way of linking back to the original subject. And she has a point, that everyone who resists is doing it against the great machine at no profit, and no one I know in this is a political Marxist of any sort - most will have voted Republican last year because of the totalitarian line of the Democrats. I doubt whether even you are conducting the conversation for money. But I also do not believe in sentimental or perhaps primitive capitalism as a panacea. Even if we could mysteriously get back there, how could we stop it being ruthlessly exploitative. I do think we need governments to do something including finding out who is menacing Suzanne Humphries, who is murdering holistic doctors etc. The only way we will get anywhere is we have expectation of the government to even behave legally.

David Weiner

John,

I don't believe that I hijacked this thread. I merely responded to an earlier comment where someone had suggested that the answer to the problems with our medical system was nationalization.

That is great if we continue this discussion on another, more appropriate thread. Unfortunately, while there is ongoing discussion of what our movement does NOT like about the vaccine and health care system, there is little or no discussion or debate about what the appropriate replacement would look like. By default, most of the members of our movement have adopted the Marxist mindset prevailing in the larger society.

That is to say, there are few if any "appropriate threads" on which to have this discussion. I would be happy to write an article for AoA, though, where these issues could be discussed and debated.

Linda1

John,
Can I please make a quick response to Grace and David before we end this conversation?

Grace, Thanks for sharing your insight about your system, something most Americans know nothing about. I guess it proves that the dark side of human nature can screw up both systems.

David, I promise you it wouldn't work in health care. It just isn't the same type of business or the same need. If your caretaker accidentally drops an expensive piece of sterile equipment on the ground, then you need another sterile one to replace it. There cannot be any hesitation on the caretaker's part, worrying about cost, you just need what you need. That is if life is placed above economics and it always should be. Same thing with medications. Some work better than others. Some more appropriate for some than others. The better drug may cost more. If we place life over economics, the person will be provided with the best drug, not the most cost effective one. If a person needs counseling in order to sort out a life threatening problem, that takes time. Time is money. In a system that values life, the necessary time is devoted to the person in need. In a system that is only concerned about economics, the person does not.

Hey John, I can make this relevant to the thread :). Here we have a superior doctor, double board certified, who walked away from a $300,000 a year job because she was not able to provide quality care. But money couldn't buy her silence or complacency. Suzanne Humphries could not be bought. Money was not her first consideration.

But, what Dr. Humphries has done since leaving her lucrative hospital position has done more good for mankind, has healed more people, prevented more illness and injury through her research and efforts to educate the public on the truth than most doctors could hope to accomplish throughout long careers. She chose to be an advocate for public health against a very dangerous lucrative industry. This is a great example where good business was very bad medicine. And good medicine was bad business. THANK YOU DR. HUMPHRIES!!!!!

John,
"It is a pipe dream that they are going to regulate themselves."

Exactly right.

John Stone

David

I am sure you did not mean to but you have succeeded in hi-jacking the thread. A century ago Woodrow Wilson complained that business was taking over the government, but did not do anything about it. Trump strikes me in many ways like an old fashioned businessman - having financial power he knows how to drive hard bargains with people who have less, and he walks away from his contracts if he does not think the other side has the power to enforce them. If the market is going to have adequate safeguards they have to be enforced from somewhere. It is a pipe dream that they are going to regulate themselves.

I suggest that the conversation be continued perhaps on a different occasion but certainly on a more relevant thread.

David Weiner

Linda,

You stated:

"In the simplest terms, good medicine is bad for business and good business is bad for medicine."

I understand where you are coming from, but your analysis is incomplete. True market systems have a characteristic referred to as "Creative destruction". Superior (and/or less expensive) goods and services come along and replace their predecessors, even though this process is bad for business, from the standpoint of incumbents. We see this regularly in technological fields. The DVD replaces the VHS tape, Netflix DVD delivery replaces Blockbusters' stores, online delivery (mostly) replaces DVD delivery, as just one example.

This process breaks down though when the incumbents can effectively BLOCK such innovation.

Please check out the link that I provided for more information about the numerous ways that market forces are not allowed to operate within the American system.

Grace Green

No-vac and Linda 1, I can see that you're right about the profit motive as seen in the American system, but as a UK citizen I have to tell you that our entirely public system can be just as bad. The practitioners, from pharmacists to consultants, can easily make work for themselves, or else file for work that hasn't been done, as can solicitors or anyone else working for public remuneration, and the tax-payer pays. I've seen this happening over and over. As they are not overseen, or accountable to the patient, there is no one to check on them and it goes unseen. This is why our NHS is forever expanding and unaffordable by the tax system, and our socialist country is becoming increasingly impoverished. There is now organized corruption at the highest levels which is milking us all dry, so that individuals can get their "profits" from the taxpayer.

David Weiner

No-vac,

I am not arguing with statistics or defending the American system, by any means. I am arguing with your attributing the problems with the system to the profit motive. That is where I think that you, and many others in our movement, are mistaken The profit motive can be a powerful incentive for advancement, but only when it operates within a system where there is open competition and genuine market pricing. It cannot produce good outcomes for consumers in a crony system designed to enrich the dominant players.

See the link below for more information about the true nature of the U.S. system.

https://mises.org/wire/do-we-have-free-market-medical-system

Linda1

David,

"The profit motive works well in other industries, so why should it be so problematic in health care? "

In the simplest terms, good medicine is bad for business and good business is bad for medicine. In order to do a good job healing and caring for the sick, one has to forget about money and just put life first. Countries that do not seek to profit from health care have consistently put us to shame and prove that it is true.

no-vac

David,
Unfortunately the American facts prove that medicine for profits is a killing machine. This medicine kills and maims people with toxic drugs and vaccines, unnecessary surgeries, and inferior profit driven medical services - for profits. Even poor countries, which spend small fractions of what US is spending on medicine, have much better health outcomes that the US, which in now in public health on pair with 3rd world countries far behind all developed nations. You can't argue with these statistics.

David Weiner

No-vac,

With all due respect, when you say that key elements of the system should be nationalized, you are advocating greater governmental control over health care, even if that is not your intention.

I believe that many people in our movement are mistaken when they point to the profit motive as the source of the problem. The profit motive works well in other industries, so why should it be so problematic in health care? The problem is not the profit motive per se. It is the combination of the profit motive with numerous legal restrictions which, in effect, give a legal monopoly to key players in allopathic medicine. That is a dangerous combination. And the solution to the problem is to break up the medical monopoly.

cherry Misra

The tragic situation is that they may have to issue a lot of death threats. There are too many of us questioning vaccines and whose fault is that? Jenny McCarthy? Andrew Wakefield? Not at all ! It is their beloved vaccines that have by now damaged so many children and adults that we dont have to preach so much. From every side, parents, doctors and nurses are joining the ranks of those who question vaccines. And when they do they discover the huge body of literature about vaccines and they notice that the brave scientists are on our side, not the side of the pharmaceutical industry. All it takes is a working, logical brain, devoid of threats of loss of income. Here is an example: A poor Indian woman in New Delhi brings up her three children on a combined husband-wife income of about 400 dollar a month.. Now all those 400 dollars arent always hers. Sometimes they have to be sent to relatives back in their village who have a sudden medical expense, or their cow died or they need to repair their house or the wheat grinding machine. Here are the wordsof that woman, speaking about the other women of our area of Delhi : " There are very long lines of women with their babies going for the vaccines at the government clinics ! (pause, thinking...) But lately Ive noticed that the lines arent so long. what happens is that after one child is damaged by a vaccine, they dont take the second baby for vaccines" And by the way, friends, India is still using very high mercury laden vaccines. Some people have speculated that this is the reason that the U.S. is still using vaccines that contain mercury ; it makes it possible for the WHO to continue recommending Thimerosal containing vaccines in the third world.

no-vac

David,
I am not advocating giving the govt total control over peoples health. I am only saying that if you take away profit motives from pharmaceutical corporations by nationalizing them, you remove the most corrupting factor in US health politics. I believe basic medical insurance should be also nationalized, but individuals could purchase additional private insurance, if they wish. Medicine for profit is at the core of massive failure of American healthcare system. Americans are sickest population of all developed countries and American life expectancy is declining fast, which is unprecedented. Of course, the decisions about vaccinating or not must belong to individuals and not to any govt or private "authority" and pharma must be forced to pay gigantic fines for killing or maiming people with their toxic products - drugs or vaccines. If we dismantle corrupting private pharma, suddenly the FDA, CDC, HHS will start working for us and not for them.

cherry Misra

I agree with bob moffit. My impression is that this threat is a very deliberate act, as opposed to a genuine threat from a crazy person. It brings to my mind , once long ago, telling a lawyer about threats made to me and watching him laugh and say, "It is very easy to make a threat" I dont mean to imply that this should not be taken seriously, but that in considering ones response, this is one possibility. Notice that this "person" who made the threat has used very little typical prose regarding why he is angry at Dr. Humphries. This is precisely what a clever individual would do- avoid using typical prose and any details, knowing that an expert in prose analysis may one day connect the prose of the threat to any previous prose writing by himself. From this, I take it that this is more likely a threat issued by the pharmaceutical industry . Today, would seem to be the perfect time to issue such a threat. Today, no one is unaware of all the suicided health practitioners. So now there is no need to kill anyone more. Just issuing a threat will do the trick in most cases.
Alas, this is not to say that at some time in the future, the perpetrators mighnot decide toescalate to some other, unpleasant course of action. Dr. Humphries has a brilliant mind ; she makes insightful statements regarding vaccines and is a dedicated warrior.

David Weiner

British correspondent,

Absolutely. The FDA can and should be replaced by competing private firms who certify therapeutics and medical devices, for people who demand 3rd party certification of the drugs they take, or what have you. This model already works well in many other areas, such as electrical appliances (e.g. Underwriters Laboratory) and kosher foods (various organizations). When private firms do a poor job in their certification, they lose business or go bankrupt. When government monopoly agencies do a poor job, they complain to Congress that they aren't getting enough funding, and get more money sent their way. Is it any wonder that the government monopoly approach is doomed to failure?

pro vaxxers are hypocrites

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The pro-vaxxer that "joked" that Dan should be shot was Professor Kristina Chew of Berkeley CA formerly of NJ. She had a couple of blogs regarding her son Charlie and his journey with autism. The horrifying part is that she is/has been a professor at several colleges. THIS is what is teaching the impressionable youth of our country. It's a funny thing about some pro-vaxxers, they claim to be peace loving liberals yet they seemingly have no issue recommending people be shot if the opinion regarding vaccines differ from their twisted thoughts. I wish Dan had reported the threat to the local authorities or her University. Someone like this shouldn't be teaching.

British correspondent

David Weiner

I am sure that is true about government as opposed to the US government, but of course for instance huge social improvements in the UK will have been achieved by national legislation. Which is I think to say there are no hard and fast rules about this. We are left just having to stop governments that still do good things doing very bad things as well. Myself, I would go for a reformed FDA over no FDA at all, but even to dismantle it a governmental way would have to be found to do it. What about a world in which no produce is labelled at all?

But many bad things come from unwise, cowardly or corrupt decisions which in themselves are not inevitable.

David Weiner

British correspondent,

I agree that government did play a positive role in improving sanitation and providing clean water and such. Here, I am thinking mostly of the U.S. experience, but it may have been true elsewhere. But note that it was the big cities that deserve the credit here. If we look at the record of the national governments, the contribution toward public health have been mostly baneful. In the 20th century, we have the vaccine programs, the fluoridation of water, poor nutritional advice, complete neglect of electromagnetic risks, etc. The only positives that come to mind are improvements in air and water quality and these might have been better achieved in a free market setting where polluters were liable for their trespasses.

You say that in the free market there will also still be mountebanks trying to take people for a ride and this is true. But recognize that in today's government-managed medical system, quackery has become INSTITUTIONALIZED. I think that it is extremely unlikely that the free market could possibly have produced even a small fraction of the chicanery that we see today which has been sanctioned by the State.

Linda1

David,
The nature of products sold now is such that a take it or leave it free market cannot possibly work. One can no longer judge a product by looking at it or even reading up about it. It is just too complicated and corporations far too sophisticated and devious.

Relying on a free market/competition for quality control in health care cannot work. When seriously sick or injured, one is at the mercy of whomever one is brought to for care. Doctors and hospitals in communities collude to fix prices and create protocols and standards whether they are fair and whether they make scientific sense or not.

British correspondent

David Weiner

We certainly need the right to refuse vaccines - in the UK we actually still have it that though there are levels of surreptitious, and public coercion. But it is not clear the government has no role in public health. The biggest contributions to public health have been things like clean water, sanitation, provision of adequate housing, semi-adequate nutrition for all/most citizens. Perhaps there are points at which the state has had a benign role in procuring these things for its citizens. Of course, and unfortunately, there will always be industries, personages trying to debauch the system. But in the free market there will also still be mountebanks trying to take people for a ride. I agree legal liability at various levels would be a very good idea.

David Weiner

British correspondent,

"I cannot believe that it is that simple ... I also don’t believe that there is some Manichaean divide between free market good, state provided bad."

Why shouldn't it be that simple? In other industries where government interference hasn't reached stratospheric levels, markets produce better goods and services over time, at lower prices. That is exactly how health care would work if we had laissez faire. Why do you think that we have so many health-related laws and regulations (licensing, patents, and so forth)? It is to prevent a competitive environment from taking hold, which would keep salaries and profits in check.

What do people mean when referring to a free market? We are talking about exchanges which are made on a voluntary, consensual basis. Buyer and seller are able to decide what they want to buy/sell, at what price, as long as there is no fraud or coercion involved. And there is potential liability to the seller if there is harm. Who could object to such an arrangement? Sure, some people might choose to buy/sell certain things which may not be beneficial to them over the long term (e.g. cigarettes, gambling), but that is the nature of freedom. When people have free will, they may make some choices which seem inadvisable, at least to others. But in general, individuals are in the best position to decide about their purchases.

Isn't that exactly the type of arrangement that we need with respect to vaccines, and health care in general?

British correspondent

David Weiner

PS I am also relieved not to be dead, or have burdened my family with huge debts.

British correspondent

David Weiner

I cannot believe it is that simple. For instance, in the UK we have a much more integrated and universal healthcare system than in the US - I am bothered about the way aspects of it have been opened up to commercial exploitation - but I also have good experiences. For instance, I was recently diagnosed with a rare and only recently discovered disease. An expert friend told me diagnosis simply could not have been achieved that quickly in the US with all the money in the world, but frankly by the time the diagnosis came through I didn’t have many days left to play with. Also in the several days in which I have been hospitalised the standard of kindness and care for absolutely everyone was inspirational. I woudn’t care to claim that this is typical of everyone’experience of the NHS - I know perfectly well otherwise - but I also don’t believe that there is some Manichaean divide between free market good, state provided bad. I also don’t like the idea of ‘devil take hindmost’.

David Weiner

No-vac,

In the 19th century, the U.S. had a free market in health care. And it was the best and the most economical system in the world. So that approach has been proven to work in the real world. Government interference in our crony system has turned it into a complete disaster. The government vaccine program is a catastrophe. Why would we want to give the government complete control over health care? Notice that the socialist systems in other countries are also screwed up, and they also have extensive government vaccine programs.

no-vac

@ David
Re: "Socialism is never the right answer; health freedom is. End the government vaccine program, the patents, the licensing of pharmaceuticals, the vaccine schedules, the FDA, etc."
Naturally, different people have different opinions on many issues. However, I believe that in all aspects of healthcare socialism is a better choice than free market capitalism. Life is not a market. Capitalism by its nature is driven by maximization of profits. Private companies will always produce mostly drugs, which give them maximal profits. Vaccines are such products - they are intended to injure healthy people and to generate chronic diseases, for which the same companies will offer other drugs. I agree that we must absolutely end the government vaccine program and abolish legal immunity given by Congress to manufacturers of all deadly vaccines. But, as long as pharma companies are private and are allowed to generate obscene profits, they will continue bribing politicians, physicians etc., hence nothing will change.

I believe all healthcare should be non profit and possibly nationalized, starting from health insurance and ending in national drug companies. Health care professionals should receive decent salaries, and medical education should be cost free. In every country with non profit or nationalized medicine people are much healthier than in US, which tells me this is the way to go. Healthcare for profits is not healthcare but abuse and exploitation of the most vulnerable.

Pam

Harvard Dr Admits He's Terrified of Big Pharma-Consequences For Speaking Out

http://vaxxter.com/harvard-doctor-admits-hes-terrified-of-big-pharma/

David Weiner

No-vac,

I agree with most of what you have said, except for this:

"The reasonable way to go is to nationalize all pharmaceutical companies. Take away gigantic profit motives from these corporations and they will start producing only medicines which are safe and people really need."

Socialism is never the right answer; health freedom is. End the government vaccine program, the patents, the licensing of pharmaceuticals, the vaccine schedules, the FDA, etc.

When we have open competition, profit margins and sales volumes will return to normal, i.e. those dictated by supply and demand, and medical tyranny will end.

Rachel

@Hilary

Really? No evidence of threats? Have you ever come across a gentleman by the name of Frankie Vazquez?

https://reasonablehank.com/2015/12/10/death-threats-from-frank-vazquez-of-south-australia/

I repeat - no threat of violence is acceptable, in any shape or form, in any arena, in any discussion.

Pam

Thank you Jeannette for posting the interview link. I just finished watching it on natural news....definitely one of the best interviews I've seen in some time!!

Reading Is Fundamental
Any internet server prepared to allow this and other hateful profane criminal threats, should be shut down immediately.

Or have its packets dropped (The Daily Stormer has run into even Russian hosting problems). Unfortunately, the report doesn't include any information to determine where it came from.

Jeannette Bishop

More in-depth discussion of Dr. Humphries's experiences, evidence of the character of those who want vaccination to continue without scrutiny:

"Interview with Dr. Suzanne Humphries over vaccine troll 'mass shooting' murder threat"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjb0_w_MYys

no-vac

We must remember that we are living in time of total war fought by global criminal corporations (aka oligarchic elites) against humanity. This is the war for profits and depopulation. Anybody, who interferes with this war is considered an enemy by these corporations. We must scream loud to the whole world about heinous crime against an innocent, heroic doctor being prepared by a pharma stooge, we must unite in condemnation of this crime and support president Trump even stronger. If he succeeds in draining Washington swamp, he may succeed in taking down the pharma criminals. The reasonable way to go is to nationalize all pharmaceutical companies. Take away gigantic profit motives from these corporations and they will start producing only medicines which are safe and people really need.

Bayareamom

@Jenny,

Thank you for your comments. As I've stated, this particular threat happened years ago and we have moved on. But yes - our son still remembers quite vividly that incident and has not forgotten it.

There have been numerous threats against several in this movement; threats made to major speakers in our movement who have had serious threats made against themselves, all of which have generally speaking, remained under the public radar. These threats seem to be escalating. I've noticed throughout the years, given the incidents with a few of the holistic physicians (not all of their deaths can be attributed to threats from the pro vaccine side), that something is causing the escalation of these type threats to various individuals who are more high profile in this movement.

But to imply that simply because many of you aren't aware of these incidents, means that some of these threats are not happening to others outside our camp, simply isn't true. I hadn't even posted about our own threats, but yet also knew that others on the other 'pro' side have also received threats which were not publicized.

In one of those incidents (i.e. threats made to the pro side), I happened to know the individual and when I found out from her about the threats leveled at her, I extended my deepest sympathies. I wish no harm on anyone in this movement, pro or anti. Threats made against anyone is simply unacceptable.

It's easy perhaps to read someone's comment and absorb it into one's own perspective, but I assure you when these threats occur, the emotions one goes through are truly surreal. And given that my own family has had numerous threats made against us (not just the one w/our son), is why I reached out to Polly and Suzanne as soon as I found out. I KNOW how it feels to have one's life threatened.

So hopefully, now that I've taken some time to flesh out this issue, others who may feel I had some motive to focus this issue on to myself rather than support Polly and Suzanne - hopefully you now have a better understanding as to my motivations.

I really hope the day comes soon when this all ends. I get so angry when I hear about these type of incidents. Hopefully, in my lifetime, we will see better heads prevailing with all of this and stop this absolute madness.

This has to stop...

Bayareamom

..."and you confide in a friend or your spouse or your family. You usually are the one that others lean on but this is a time when it is you that desperately needs support. And the person you are trying to lean on during this crisis turns it around and makes it about THEM? Or interprets your crisis through their lens leaving you out of the equation which is of no help to you at all?..."

It rather amazes me, Linda, that you are applying your 'perspective' about my comment as to what happened to our son, w/o knowing much about me or what my intentions were when I made that post.

FYI - I have been in touch at various times, via email, with Polly. She knows who I am. As SOON as I found the link to Suzanne's and Polly's video regarding the first threat to Suzanne, I emailed Polly and extended my prayers and thoughts, to not only Polly, but to Suzanne and all the others of whom have been threatened by this deranged individual.

I also spoke with my husband and asked him if he, as an attorney, might have any advice that I could relay to Polly regarding this issue with the lack of response by the police. He did offer some advice and I relayed that back to Polly.

Secondly, my intentions were not to provide focus onto myself as to what happened to our son, but to simply illustrate that this type of threat has been an ongoing issue for some of us involved on our side and it needs to STOP.

Quite frankly, if I'd have wanted attention focused on MY THREATS, I would have posted what happened to our son over here on this blog, YEARS ago, when it happened, not now.

Again, all people/souls MATTER. So of course, when any type of threat, to any one individual, matters, whether it happened yesterday, or whether it happened years ago. But as a victim of these type of threats, I have noticed that these type of incidents seem to be escalating.

Which, of course, is a serious, serious concern, which is yet another reason I decided to finally go public about our own issue with threats of this type. It is absolutely horrifying when this happens to you, but even more so when your young son is an unwitting target.

Linda1 - I have always, always admired your comments over here. In fact, I have at times cut and pasted several of them and have forwarded them to other individuals, not only in the movement, but to others who are struggling when coming to grips about their own loved ones' injuries. My sense is that something else may be going on with you at this time - I don't know you so won't hazard a guess - but you are WAY off base with this (and with that other comment you made to me regarding the HHS issue).

I hope you can take a step back, look at this from perhaps a different perspective, and quit coming at me as if I'm trying to focus this issue on me and my family. That was NOT my intention - at all.

Patricia pratt

There was a second email. More graphic, more disturbing, Suzanne could not read it out. With graphic pictures of her face with eyes gouged out. She was calm and philosophical. I have boundless admiration for her and Polly and all. How insane this world has become. Or do we just witness it all now because of social media.....So much rage in this world now, all under the surface, occasionally breaking out with lone gun violence and of course terrorism. But why such hatred of a good woman? I cannot believe what is happening here.

John Stone

Everyone needs to be utterly clear on this. For instance, I severed communications some years ago with a person who had openly made menacing comments to a leading vaccine industry advocate - they may have thought it was over another matter but that was the reason. On AoA we have had basic rule, likely formulated by Dan, that comments wishing harm on people should not be published - recently I let one go which said certain people should go to prison (I suppose come to think of it we allow Angus to keep saying it) . I am personally perturbed that there are no individual criminal sanctions against people engaged in corporate malfeasance (for instance the Merck executive who spoke about destroying scientists where they live), so it actually is a real issue that certain people ought to go to prison. But there is also no room for complacency.

As to the FBI there is no excuse for their flabby and cynical failure over the serial deaths of prominent wholistic doctors.

Jenny Allan

Bayareamom - Thank God you and your family remain safe from that gunman, but what a fright for your son. There will always be nutcases and extremists who will attach themselves to 'causes'. Unfortunately, social media sites and press and media comment threads have proven to be fertile ground for profane and hateful comments, which should be moderated out immediately. Corporate vested interests, including big pharma, make no secret about employing trolls to cyber bully anyone, whose internet blogs and comments question the safety or effectiveness of their products. This is criminal and ZERO TOLERANCE of cyber and other threats to kill and torture, with jail sentences for any persons found to have used social or other cyber media to threaten persons or incite hate and violence.

Some UK newspapers and media outlets now INSIST anyone who posts on one of their internet comment threads must be identifiable, but it's far from foolproof. In the UK, some terrorist organisations using the internet to recruit and instruct Islamic extremists are being targeted by the security services, but international cooperation is ESSENTIAL. Neither the UK nor the US can dictate policies in, for example, Germany where the threats against Suzanne originated. Recently a judge in the UK was very critical of Facebook for allowing an Islamic terrorist to simply keep reposting his banned comments, which were about planning terrorist attacks in the UK. That person has now been jailed, and Facebook has promised to tackle what it calls 'fake news'. I'm NOT reassured.

I note the dreaded 'Orac' (David Gorski) on his Respectful Insolence blog now bans profanity and 'hate' comments. I made a fuss about the comment standards below his pro vaccine blogs, which previously permitted profanity and hateful comments. Some time ago. I complained to National Geographic, then the nominal owner and was told:-

"National Geographic concluded its operational responsibilities for both Scienceblogs.com and Scienceblogs.de in August 2013. Seed Media is responsible for the sites’ day-to-day management, which includes editorial oversight, hosting, and ad sales."

This is typical of the kind of carefully worded legal disclaimers, used to avoid responsibility , but at least Science Blogs, threatened with oblivion has apparently now cleaned up its act.

Suzanne is right to publicise these threats. Now we must all make a fuss about vile internet sites and comment threads which allow such vile threats and profanity. Write to your political representatives in the first instance, since the police are answerable to them, if not us. Meantime, Suzanne, Polly and everyone brave enough to campaign publicly about vaccine safety , need our support and prayers.

Linda1

O.M.G.

Were you ever in a bad spot in your life, really down, in trouble, threatened, sick, exhausted, whatever, a really low point...

and you confide in a friend or your spouse or your family. You usually are the one that others lean on but this is a time when it is you that desperately needs support. And the person you are trying to lean on during this crisis turns it around and makes it about THEM? Or interprets your crisis through their lens leaving you out of the equation which is of no help to you at all?

That's what's going on here with the "so what, I or so-and-so was threatened and blah blah blah" or comparing to pro or anti experiences. WHO CARES?

This is not a time to focus on what happened to US or anyone else. It doesn't matter and in this context, in this current crisis it is selfish and doesn't help the people being threatened one bit.

conscience

It is horrific. It looks this person is a psychopathic, criminal stooge of criminal pharma cartels. Since neither police nor FBI reacted to the evidence of genocide which this person announced he will commit, I believe all this evidence along with statements of refusal to act by the police and FBI should be delivered to the republican congressmen, senators and the President. It will give them a fresh ammunition to prove that some FBI agents cooperate with criminals and protect them.
This crazy murderer and his sponsors apparently don't understand that murdering doctors who inform people about toxic vaccines only turns the victims into martyrs and will result in more people rejecting deadly vaccines.
My prayers for safety of Dr. Humphries.


Bayareamom

@Linda1,

"Right now it doesn't matter what threats have occurred to anyone else on either side before this one. It is irrelevant and a distraction. All focus should be on the current threat."

Doesn't matter? Of course it matters. Further, when Hilary Butler posted her comment, I feel it was appropriate to comment further.

I don't know if you've ever been threatened, Linda. But when you or anyone else in your family - or any of your loved ones - have been threatened, IT MATTERS. Most especially when it's your child (which happens to be the case w/Polly as well).

I would love to see some sort of round-table occur wherein folks from both sides could sit down, behave like reasonable, thoughtful adults and try to resolve some of these issues. Parents, healthcare providers, scientists, etc. Instead of all this bickering and threat making nonsense!

So -- maybe the threat against our son doesn't hit too close to home for you, Linda, but it certainly did for me and my family. It was a long time ago and we've moved on, but thank you for your support!

Lisa

Good job going to the police and FBI. Make a place where a copy of the reports are publically shared.

Keep sharing the threats via video. Keep sending them to the police and FBI (then continue to share the reports.)

At some point action will be taken. Prayers with you. Keep talking

Linda1

Right now it doesn't matter what threats have occurred to anyone else on either side before this one. It is irrelevant and a distraction. All focus should be on the current threat.

Jeannette Bishop

Second death threat
https://www.facebook.com/wearevaxxed/videos/584831478530799/

Bayareamom

..."Here we have a verified threat - the email has been provided and sighted by many people. It has reported to BOTH the police, the FBI, with formal notification of "case closed" which many of us have accessed and see with our own eyes..

Nowhere have the provaccine - EVER - put forward any proof of receipt of a threat, nor have they posted proof of police investigation or the outcome."

Not meaning to be a thorn in the side, but there have been cases that I know of when the pro side has been threatened, but these individuals handled the issues privately. I know of two instances myself. It wasn't up to me to make any of this public, though; that would fall on the individuals who had the threats made against them. One of these individuals was a nurse with the CA State Health Dept.

So just because we've not been made aware of these threats in a public way doesn't mean they haven't happened. They have, just perhaps not as much so as those against the anti side.

Food for thought...

Jeannette Bishop

Dr. Humphries and Polly Tommey make a few more points in their discussion with Erin Elizabeth...someone analyzing the email believes the writer is trying to portray a poorly educated, unhinged persona using poor spelling, etc, but sees anomalies like use of "pedestrian" suggesting that this is a more calculated and serious threat than some want to make it out to be.

I note that the email writer(s) portray(s) live streaming and recording of much of what one is doing as well as public appearances as unsafe activities, and there might IMO be an agenda there (more fake excuses for censorship by the corporate oligarchy) besides the more obvious bullying against vaccine risk awareness and health freedom efforts.

Angus Files

On the aggregate of hate mail no matter what side you are on ,this e-mail shows this is an extreme case and shows a manifesting intent to act on the threats.Both sides should be coming together to try and find this person with the intention to help the writer of the e-mail have the help they so desperately need.Enough innocent blood has been spilled.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

cia parker

There are a number of issues in today's world in which those on one side are persecuted and vilified. And the police are usually reluctant to get involved: they may easily get into trouble no matter what they do. Many of those whose lives have been threatened by those on the politically correct side have hired bodyguards. Dismaying to see how we're sinking into the Dark Ages and may sink further still. A bodyguard might be a good option for Dr. Humphries. It's increasingly sauve qui peut.

Hilary Butler

@ Ilia, you say, "on a blog post asking for a united condemnation against threats of violence, we have people claiming that threats against people in favor of vaccination either a) didn't happen b) don't matter because they were more widely reported or c) the person claiming them is a liar and not to be believed."

Not one provaccine threat has been made public. No-one has seen the letters or emails alleged by the provaccine. You can be sure that if it happened, and the threat was taken to the police and investigated, we would have heard ALL about it, in great detail, so that the anti-vaccine could be made an example of.

Here we have a verified threat - the email has been provided and sighted by many people. It has reported to BOTH the police, the FBI, with formal notification of "case closed" which many of us have accessed and see with our own eyes..

Nowhere have the provaccine - EVER - put forward any proof of receipt of a threat, nor have they posted proof of police investigation or the outcome.

That should give you pause for thought.

David Weiner

As many others have said, I don't think that anyone on our side should use or threaten violence against our opponents.

But let's not forget the obvious either. That those who are advocating mandatory vaccines / removal of exemptions ARE in fact promoting violence against the rest of us.

And I, for one, WOULD like to see folks like Pan and Offit thrown in jail, after proper judicial proceedings have taken place.

Science is pure.  People are corrupt.

That the police refused to the details of the case, and closed it immediately after opening it, gives pause to wonder if word had been passed down from above that they were not to get involved.

Angus Files


ROGER STONE: Threat Sent To Vaccine Safety Doctor - ALEX JONES INFOWARS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAiatZAkQ74

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Grace Green

Here in the UK, I and my family have had years of death threats, threats of violence, and attempts on our lives. Any of these which we've reported to the police they have condoned. It comes as no surprise to me that Dr. Humphries would get this response. Whose side do we expect them to be on? And on the subject of sides, I have to say that since us "anti-vaxxers" are trying to stop murder and injury of children and others, and if we don't believe in violence against anyone, then by definition any who are making such threats are not on our side! It may even be the case that such threats are made by the pharma trolls themselves in order to discredit us.

Health Bites Online

Disgusting, on the part of the police.

Morag

I don't think I can be any more shocked with revulsion until I actually am. Another monstrosity of a desensitised totally fractured mentality threatening violence with murd'rr of many people . There is no excuse for it, on either side, of the schism, of the health and safety risk assessment opinions .
I am gobsmacked with astonishment that Police USA not apparently interested with such a serious threat of violence . Are they perhaps too busy, can't be bothered , or do they have issues/problems their own selfies, are they getting henpecked at their own Police Headquarters or somthing ?
That's equivalent to the Fire Brigade saying "Right, new guidelines ,directive is this, but it's not in the policy or procedure manual . Next burning building you enter, just get all the skinny folk out first ,as we don't want any of you Firefighters hurting your own backs "

susan welch

Ilia. Unnecessarily hostile, I felt. We would all agree that any death threat is wrong.

Jenny Allan

"I've yet to still be able to post a comment and preview it before posting."
Yes me too Bayareamom, and for some time. This seems to apply to comments longer than a couple of paragraphs and is a fault with the comment thread. Advise persons to avoid clicking the 'preview' option. Instead copy your comment into a word document temporarily and edit it there, before clicking 'post'.

Bayareamom - Thank God you and your family remain safe from that gunman, but what a fright for your son. There will always be nutcases and extremists who will attach themselves to 'causes'. Unfortunately, social media sites and press and media comment threads have proven to be fertile ground for profane and hateful comments, which should be moderated out. Corporate vested interests, including big pharma, make no secret about employing trolls to cyber bully anyone whose internet blogs and comments question the safety or effectiveness of their products.

Some UK newspapers and media outlets now INSIST anyone who posts on one of their internet comment threads must be identifiable, but it's far from foolproof. In the UK, some terrorist organisations using the internet to recruit and instruct Islamic extremists are being targeted by the security services, but international cooperation is ESSENTIAL. Neither the UK nor the US can dictate policies in, for example, Germany where the threats against Suzanne originated.

I note the dreaded 'Orac' (David Gorski) on his Respectful Insolence blog now bans profanity and 'hate' comments. I made a fuss about the comment standards below his pro vaccine blogs, which permitted profanity and hateful comments. Some time ago. I complained to National Geographic, then the nominal owner and was told it was none of their business' and referred to a representative of the stated real owners and got nowhere on this cyber chase. This is typical, but at least Science Blogs, threatened with oblivion has apparently cleaned up its act.

"Hi Jennifer,
National Geographic concluded its operational responsibilities for both Scienceblogs.com and Scienceblogs.de in August 2013. Seed Media is responsible for the sites’ day-to-day management, which includes editorial oversight, hosting, and ad sales. Please direct questions to either Wes Dodson (wesdodson@scienceblogs.com) or Vera Savcic (savcic@seedmediagroup.com).
Sincerely,
Eric Tunell
Communications
National Geographic Society"

Suzanne is right to publicise these threats. Now we must all make a fuss about vile internet sites and comment threads which allow such vile threats and profanity. Write to your political representatives. in the first instance, copying to site and blog owners; the police are answerable to Governments, if not us. Meantime, Suzanne, Polly and everyone brave enough to campaign publicly about vaccine safety , need our support and prayers.

Jeannette Bishop

Prayers for the well-being in both body and spirit of Dr. Humphries and all those at the Autism Trust!

Bayareamom

FYI -

I tried posting a comment, but for some reason this site went all bonkers on me and at this rate I've no idea what my comment is going to look like. I've a feeling it's going to be all over the place. So just a heads up - just so you know I've not gone senile and randomly started posting comments all over the place.

(I've yet to still be able to post a comment and preview it before posting. I'll have to remember that the next time I try placing a comment.)

Bayareamom

Years ago, when our son was around 13/14 years old, he was walking home from school and one day found a gun pointed at his face. By a man sitting in a large tow truck, no less, parked right in front of our home with engine running.

I'm releasing this information publicly for the first time, and have only shared the above with a therapist and a few others. But I feel compelled to share this information now because it does seem as though these type threats are becoming more prolific. In our case, the threat against my son ensued because of our family's ties to government and I suppose, in part at any rate, of my activism at that time with various vaccine issues. The threat to our son, I am told, was really intended toward me, but if our son got in the way...so be it.

NO ONE, no matter what side of the vaccine issue they stand, should have to endure threats of any kind. I don't think it fair, and I do believe it would be hypocritical to not admit that there are others on the other 'side of the camp' so to speak, who have also had threats from those who allegedly owe allegiance to our side of the fence. There are crazies on both sides, of that I am certain.

I know I certainly would not, nor have I ever, threatened anyone who posits a diametrically opposing viewpoint than my own re vaccine issues; I would imagine no one here commenting has ever threatened anyone either (hopefully not). But these threats have happened. As much as I despise Offit's rhetoric on this subject matter, I would never want to see either him, his wife, or his family/friends, threatened because of his stance on this issue.

What has happened to Suzanne, Polly and the others should be condemned. Further, law enforcement's behavior toward Suzanne regarding the obvious threat to her life, is reprehensible. My husband has suggested that perhaps Suzanne may want to consult (usually attorneys offer free 30 minute consults) with a criminal attorney to find if in fact the treatment she endured by Austin's finest is common practice with these type of threats.

That's actually not a bad idea. I don't know how Suzanne presented herself to the police with this matter, but to hear that the police wouldn't even read the text of her threat, is appalling. And simply inexcusable. It would seem that cognitive dissonance, at least with this vaccine issue, is running rampant, even among those who work in law enforcement.

As Kim states, it pays to stay vigilant at all times; trust your inner 'voice'/alarm bells. I pray this nightmare ends soon, but even with those of us who have had direct threats upon our lives, we will not stop our voices from being heard.

My heart goes out to Suzanne, Polly and all the others who have been impacted with this latest threat. I'm glad Suzanne went public with this threat. I know it won't stop Suzanne from doing what she does best. I tend to believe - and I hope I'm correct - that whoever this person is is really trying to scare her at best.

The drone issue really bothers me, but that's also something which law enforcement should be handling as well (re privacy issues, etc.). I know that police (at least in other states) have been cracking down on individuals using drones who are flying these things over and on other people's private properties. I would think that this information regarding the drone incident could be checked out by local law enforcement as well, but have no idea if Polly was able to file a report. (I would if I were her.)

Ilia

So, on a blog post asking for a united condemnation against threats of violence, we have people claiming that threats against people in favor of vaccination either a) didn't happen b) don't matter because they were more widely reported or c) the person claiming them is a liar and not to be believed. Good job. In the spirit of the article, I will condemn anyone ever using death threats as part of any public or private discourse without any qualification. It is wrong no matter who does it, it is wrong no matter how widely it is reported, and it is wrong no matter what the context of forum. It's a shame that others here can not fulfill such a seemingly simple request and would rather play games of whataboutism.

Jonathan Rose

Rachel, ABC News correctly reported that isolated kooks on both sides have phoned in death threats, and I'm glad that we all condemn that. But there is one huge difference here. Not long ago a major metropolitan newspaper, the Boston Herald, published a general death threat directed against all of us who are critical of current vaccination policy:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/boston-herald-editorial-staff-calls-vaccine-choice-hanging-offense.html

Unlike the phone-in or email threats, which are usually sent only to the potential target, the Boston Herald issued an open invitation to hundreds of thousands of readers to use lethal means against us. And it's entirely possible that the threat against Suzanne Humphries was inspired by this incitement to violence.

Now, Rachel, I can't think of any major media outlet that directed a similar threat against your side, can you?

annie

Sending love and light and peace and protection to Dr Humphries and all the beautiful people at the Autism Trust! Please be safe and well and THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking all the slings and arrows you do for the well being of our families. You are truly arch angels here on earth!

Carol

For some reason this made me think of The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg by Doug Bremner. Dr. Bremner was subpoenaed and deposed by Accutane's manufacturer many times in an attempt to find flaws in his research, which demonstrated brain changes caused by Accutane. (And there were other types of harassment conducted against Dr. Bremner: surveillance, break-ins, etc.)

It occurs to me that, to my knowledge, Merck has never subpoenaed Dr. Wakefield or his co-authors. Why not, if Wakefield committed fraud and damaged their business?

(Prescriptions for Accutane are now restricted because of its side effects.)

Linda1

Note that Rachel's 2008 article about threats to vaccine researchers was reported on ABC News. You can also be sure that those threats were investigated by law enforcement (if they really happened and weren't just another of the industry's psyops).

We will not be seeing this current threat to the public reported on any mainstream outlet and Dr. Humphries was turned away by the authorities. The article actually illustrates the disparity.

For Rachel

Rachel

And your point is what? Perhaps you would like to express concern at the serial unexplained deaths of wholistic physicians. Of course, a problem with Dr Offit is that one is disinclined to believe a word he says anyway.

Angus Files

Big Brothers watching, only when it suits them.

Pobably the ladies have looked at this Europol Internet Crime

https://www.europol.europa.eu/about-europol/european-cybercrime-centre-ec3


Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Linda Swanson

We are with you Suzanne & Polly, glad you went live with it. Pharma will stop at nothing.....

Rachel

Threats and harrassment are never acceptable.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ColdandFluNews/story?id=6150482&page=1

Hans Litten

You have all listened to the interview ?

The drone in the Garden the following morning ?

The man with the bullets on his hat operating from the churchyard !

This is a serious threat indeed .

Hans Litten

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/police-state-registry-system-being-set-track-your-vaccination-status

Be under no illusion what is at stake here !

'Police State' Registry System Being Set Up to Track Your Vaccination Status
Your government is watching and tracking your decisions – even saying "No" to vaccines.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the threat , it is clearly very real but is meant to scare , because if it was more , the action would have already have been taken without any warning .Dangerous times indeed.

Jenny Allan

Any internet server prepared to allow this and other hateful profane criminal threats, should be shut down immediately. European laws which are supposed to deal with this apply in Germany as in the UK.

Never forget German vaccine manufacturer Merck' s threat to 'seek them out and destroy them where they live' - 'they' being any researcher or medical 'whistleblower' with evidence of harm caused by Merck's pharmaceutical products and vaccines. This incriminating e-mail resulted in a huge fine for Merck over Vioxx, but there's no evidence the management of this huge pharmaceutical company have changed their ways. Billion dollar fines scarcely dent their enormous profits.

bob moffit

"A vicious death threat email was sent to Dr. Suzanne Humphries from a secure server in Germany that is designed to protect users from tracking."

The fact this vile threat was sent from a "secure server in Germany" .. suggests the sender is a "professional smear merchant" .. someone most likely paid to troll the net .. being paid for harassing and threatening anyone who dares challenge the trolls employer.

I remember reading there was at least one major pharmaceutical company .. I believe in Europe .. quite willing to "use whatever means necessary" to protect their global financial empire.
In my cynical mind .. a "secure server in Germany designed to protect users from tracking" .. would qualify as "any means necessary".

In any event .. this THREAT must be taken SERIOUSLY .. INVESIGATED AND THE PERPETRATOR MUST BE IDENTIFIED .. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARIY.

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