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Responses To The British Medical Association Opening A Debate About Vaccine Mandates

British-Medical-Journal_0By John Stone & Jackie Fletcher

Letters published in British Medical Journal Rapid Responses:

UK doctors re-examine case for mandatory vaccination

I read with concern Tom Moberly's report that the British Medical Association is trying to open a debate about mandating vaccines in the United Kingdom [1] having already made a number of relevant observations under an earlier article [2]. Most fundamentally, I would urge the medical establishment to exercise a little humility when today's scientific orthodoxy could so easily in retrospect become tomorrow's horrific misjudgement. It does not help when we see all vaccine critics dismissed by the Guardian newspaper or, by CEO of Gavi, in the Spectator in abusive terms as "anti-vaxxers" [3, 4], when it is far from clear that every issue in vaccine safety has been resolved - or that we can even begin to assess the risks while denying a respectful hearing to patients or their families, which pre-empts both evidence and argument in an inappropriate way. In my experience the most vociferous vaccine critics hitherto have not so much been people with an ideological objection to vaccination as people who had had their children vaccinated and regretted it. Such indiscriminate (scorched earth) strategies scarcely command the moral high ground.

Moreover, disregarding the highly intolerant atmosphere which is being generated in some quarters it is not evident that even if the science involved could approach the level of being definitive that it is anywhere near that at present. For example, three successive reports by Cochrane on the safety of MMR have declared [5,6,7]:

"The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate."

which would indicate that the science has never been done (and some might consider it a bit late now). I also note the current complaint to the European Ombudsman regarding HPV vaccines and the European Medicines authority from Nordic Cochrane [8,9]. Though HPV vaccines may or may not be mandated the complaint partly relates to the uncertain science surrounding aluminium adjuvants which are also used in scheduled infant vaccines such as Infanrix Hexa [10], Prevenar [11] and Bexsero [12]. Yet this science is being publicly promoted as if infallible. There are surely lessons here from history. Meanwhile, it is far from apparent that Dr Farah Jameel who proposed the motion at the BMA had the remotest idea of these shortcomings [1].

Nor is it immediately obvious that the threat from infectious diseases has increased in any degree to justify such an abrupt change in policy (and in a way which could antagonise people presently much more well disposed to the vaccine programme than I might be myself). A greater problem which presently demands attention from health officials is the steep, unexplained rise in neurological disorders such as autism, which even now seem to be gathering dramatic momentum [13, 14, 15].

[1] Tom Moberly, 'UK doctors re-examine case for mandatory vaccination', BMJ 2017; 358 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.j3414 (Published 18 July 2017)
[2] Rapid Responses to Peter Doshi, 'US government website for collecting adverse events after vaccination is inaccessible to most users', https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2449/rapid-responses
[3] Editorial: 'The Guardian view on vaccination: a matter of public health' , The Guardian 7 July 2017, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/07/the-guardian-view-on-vaccinations-a-matter-of-public-health#_=_
[4] Seth Berkley, 'Anti-vaxxers have embraced social media; we paying for fake news with real lives' Spectator Health 28 June 2017, https://health.spectator.co.uk/anti-vaxxers-have-embraced-social-media-were-paying-for-fake-news-with-real-lives/
[5] Jefferson T, Price D, Demicheli V, Bianco E, 'Unintended events following immunization with MMR: a systematic review' 2003 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12922131
[6] Demicheli V, Jefferson T, Rivetti A, Price D., 'Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children', 2005 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16235361
[7] Demicheli V, Rivetti A, Debalini MG, Di Pietrantonj C, ''Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children', 2012.
[8] Stephane Foucart , https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2016/12/09/papillomavirus-les-autorites-europeennes-dans-la-tourmente_5046054_3244.html
[9] Gøtzsche P, Jørgensen K, Jefferson J, Auken M , Brinth L, 'Complaint to the European ombudsman over maladministration at the European Medicines Agency (EMA) in relation to the safety of the HPV vaccines', https://nordic.cochrane.org/sites/nordic.cochrane.org/files/public/uploads/ResearchHighlights/Complaint-to-ombudsman-over-EMA.pdf
[10] https://ca.gsk.com/media/537989/infanrix-hexa.pdf
[11] https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/22689#COMPOSITION
[12 ]https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/28407/SPC/Bexsero+Meningococcal+Group+B+vaccine+for+injection+in+pre-filled+syringe/#COMPOSITION
[13] Helen McArdle, 'Call for investigation as 20 young Scots a day are rejected fro mental health care', Sunday Herald 20 December 2016, https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14975962.Call_for_investigation_as_20_young_Scots_a_day_rejected_for_mental_health_care/
[14] Brett Campbell, 'Autism assessment list now at crisis level, says MLA', 22 December 2016, https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/autism-assessment-waiting-lists-now-at-crisis-level-says-mla-35313064.html
[15] Jane Dreaper, 'Autism diagnoses 'could be reduced under NHS plan'', BBC News 27 May 2017, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40058482

July 2017
John Stone
UK Editor
AgeofAutism.com
London N22

The motion has been raised to look at the advantages and disadvantages of making childhood immunisation mandatory. I'd like to share some thoughts to help the discussions.

Our group JABS is a support group of parents of vaccine-damaged children and I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that doctors' children are not immune to vaccine damage. We have parents from many groups of the medical establishment (consultants, doctors, nurses etc) that have reported serious life-changing events following reactions to routine vaccinations. Some of the doctors have actually vaccinated their own children and now have to live with the consequences. We have asked some if they will speak out but they have told us of their fears for their reputations, promotion prospects even their final pension plans. I can understand this.


Parents have reported to us that their children were healthy and developing well and regardless of the age when vaccinated the children have suffered adverse reactions within the incubation periods of the vaccines and developed long-term problems also recognised by the manufacturers' in their own product information sheets. Treating physicians have been unable to give an alternative explanation for the children's medical decline other than it was coincidental to the vaccinations.

We have a strange double standards in operation. When a child is due for a vaccination medical staff are happy to discuss the minor reactions and state that they are very common but the serious reactions also known to the drug companies are supposedly so 'rare' that background prevalence of a disease is always the answer. Yet if a child were to have a vaccine preventable disease and suffer the exact same symptoms and long-term consequences medical staff would have no hesitation in blaming the disease and the parent for not vaccinating.


Where do medical staff get their information on how 'rare' a serious reaction is? The passive surveillance system is recognised as a poor collection service with less than 5-10 per cent of serious reactions being put forward through the yellow card system.

And those reactions that are put forward to the MHRA? In conversations with staff I have been told that if a card contains details of a reaction known to be associated with the vaccine, for example a febrile convulsion, it is just ticked off and no further action taken. There apparently is no follow-up six to 12 months later to determine if the child fully recovered from the reaction or if the child's health and mental state has seriously changed. I know this from personal experience.

Mandatory vaccinations were tried once before in the UK in the late 1800s. It did not go well. There was great hostility and considerable resistance and the plans had to be abandoned. There is no mandate in the UK for any government to impose compulsory vaccination. Without democratic consent such a policy would face escalating opposition.

You only need to see what is going on in Italy right now following government plans to pass laws quickly through its parliament, without public consultation, for mandatory vaccinations with threats of heavy fines, children to be excluded from nurseries, potential prison sentences for non-payers and the diabolical announcement that children could be forcibly removed from their parents and vaccinated.

Ever since the plans were announced, Italian people have been taking to the streets of their major cities each weekend in huge numbers (thousands and thousands) to peacefully protest against this attack on civil liberties. Is this really the way UK doctors want to take us?

And how could compulsory vaccinations be enforced? My son, who is severely vaccine-damaged, has had many hospital emergencies because of his conditions and from being a baby through infancy to adulthood every time we are in the A & E department bloods need to be taken and staff have told us many times over the years that they are not allowed to restrain our son. My husband and I are expected to hold and calm him whilst they draw blood. If you as a doctor are faced with parents who refuse to give consent and a distressed, screaming child who is thrashing their arms about and refuses to co-operate, how do you vaccinate the child safely? And how do you expect that child or the parents to ever trust you again?

Competing interests: Mother of MMR vaccine-damaged son

21 July 2017
Jackie Fletcher
Carer

JABS
Warrington, Cheshire UK

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ATSC

"In my experience the most vociferous vaccine critics hitherto have not so much been people with an ideological objection to vaccination as people who had had their children vaccinated and regretted it. "

They really should ask themselves: "Why did these parents vaccinate their first child and not subsequent children? What made them change their minds and put their other children at risk from these diseases?" and, "Why won't they stop warning other parents?"

One of the reasons is, as Jackie Fletcher says, "Treating physicians have been unable to give an alternative explanation for the children's medical decline other than it was coincidental to the vaccinations" and parents are not buying that their children falling apart after a vaccine was a coincidence.

And they're not buying that their healthy children suddenly die of "natural" causes:

https://althealthworks.com/13231/this-happened-to-the-wrong-family-former-ufc-fighter-speaks-out-against-vaccines-for-alleged-role-in-sons-tragic-death/
“I Want Justice & I Want Change:” Former UFC Fighter, Wife Speak Out Against Vaccine for Alleged Role in Son’s Tragic Death

by Nick Meyer | July 11, 2017


"The Catone family wants answers, but they’re not getting any, which is part of the reason they suspect the vaccine his son received prior to his death is the culprit.

“You’re telling me with all the technology today they can’t find out why my son unexpectedly passed away,” Nick Catone asked in the post. “They can find out how people died 3,000 years ago but they can’t find out how a little boy did today….”

"Nicholas was the picture of health until the unexpected happened, his father said.

“…Made all his well visits, was growing, had a bigger appetite than my 3-year-old daughter (Madeline) did, perfectly healthy 20 month old boy. Healthy heart, lungs, brain, everything about him came back healthy and normal. How does he just pass away. Cause of Death – “Sudden Unexplained Death” , Manner of Death- “Natural” it says on the report. How the f… is that natural…”"


Jeannette Bishop

Thank you for arguing so skillfully and courageously for reason!

Why mandates now (across so much of Europe)? It sounds to me like the U.K. rate of childhood environmental injury which likely features a large vaccination role is already in strong competition with the U.S. rate. I'm not hearing much about the health of European children otherwise. Are they afraid of coming in second or worse (that is, better) in this insane race to the bottom?

Morag

UQx 6.3.1 1 Inoculation Theory -Youtube Outlines how to stop science denial, by exposing people to weak forms of science denial. " Mildly hilarious" The Caduceus, the symbol of medicine , still using the same amulet depicting Mercury's Wand with [in Scotland] two white adders entwined around it.
The modern brand logo offers imaginary protection for barra boy's, market place selling initatives.
Mega factory farmed processing chicken wings production lines for young chick's and auld hens alike on a fast tracked system , the preferred logo of safety standards, lucky dip gamblers , liars what they said about risk isn't what they meant , thieves of natural immunity. Misconception based learning for Health and Social Care Staff is a very sad but serious observation indeed, with non existant risk assessments available for vaccines and magic scrolls [ peer reviewed papers] with lachi trolls repeating without reason and mimicking on a repeator like ma African Grey Parrot "Lovely boy Basil" That all vaccines are safe and effective ? The antidote to inoculation theory is common sense ,don't get sold a raspberry on top of a pile of sheeps droppings. Inoculation Theory couldn't laugh it's way out of a brown paper bag . "Slante maha " To your very good health!

Elizabeth

The "Vaxxed Tem" are touring the east coast of Australia at the moment - and not "one word" - good or bad, has been mentioned about it from any of the mainstream media.

Mum to Vaccine-Injured son.

ATSC


Grace,

Yes. Children need to be taught to run away if a needle comes anywhere near them without their parents' permission, and parents warned to keep their eyes on their children at the doctors or hospital if they don't want them to be vaccinated. Nurses have been known to vaccinate children when a parent simply turns their back or pops out of the room for a moment. Some are so devoted to the religion of vaccination that they feel compelled to enlist, or baptize, children into their cult in order to save them from evil germs, the modern-day devils.

Barry

"Today's scientific orthodoxy could become tomorrow's horrific misjudgement." Bang on guys. Science has.become a religion rather than a method of investigation!

************

Actually, science has become a process by which the poisoning of babies can be perpetrated. And then explained away

David Weiner

John wrote:

"Nor is it immediately obvious that the threat from infectious diseases has increased in any degree to justify such an abrupt change in policy ..."

I would go a step further and say that the drastic decrease in mortality from infectious diseases that has occurred since the early 20th century in developed countries implies that we need a LOT LESS vaccination than we did a century ago.

Though even if mortality from infectious disease were still high, vaccines were never the correct remedy.

Angus  Files

We were at Stonehenge today they have plaster cast built to scale models showing the evolution of the circles to the destruction of what is present over 1000 years.
I think were well on the way to the destruction of mankind unlike the population of Stonehenge were being coerced and doing it knowingly by vaccine.

Pharma for Prison

MMR RIP

sabelmouse

the guardian is shilling again today regarding mmr and herd immunity.

Hans Hitten

"When it comes to the demos is it going to be red, orange, white or black T-shirts? Lets get printing them!"

We are going to march properly outside parliament and we are going to ram home the names of :

William Thompson
Poul Thoresen
Verstaeten
Stephen A. Krahling and Joan A. Wlochowski
Diane Harper
Bernard D'Albergue
Bernadine Healey

& so on.

We have the science , they have the lies (& thievery).

michael

John and Jackie--I hope your pen is mightier than the politics

Trutherseeker

"Today's scientific orthodoxy could become tomorrow's horrific misjudgement." Bang on guys. Science has.become a religion rather than a method of investigation!

Twyla

Excellent letters!

John Stone

Thank you everybody for your comments.

What was striking was the way the vaccine lobby laid the foundations for excluding critical voices from the debate even before it was acknowledged that the public issue was to be raised in the UK. First of all we had the CEO of Gavi, Seth Berkley calling "anti-vaxxers" to be excluded from social media (of course all vaccine critical voices are already excluded from mainstream media) in the Spectator. Anyone, obviously criticising the program in any respect is of course in these terms an "anti-vaxxer". The we had the Guardian out of the blue calling for compulsory vaccination, and blaming the need on "anti-vaxxers" who had been gaining too much influence. So, now pretty largely we have a debate proceeding without a debate - so far it scarcely goes beyond a couple of letters in BMJ Rapid Responses - with virtually all professional frightened to speak up, though many might crave a more tolerant atmosphere, and many might prefer not to have to police such an unpleasant exercise in social domination and control.

Dr. William H. Gaunt

Evil is flourishing in vaccines and other areas. Follow the money. The brave people who speak up against it get crushed and demonized. I'm still hopeful that Donald Trump will make a difference but I haven't seen any positive moves from him yet.

Jane Bell

Vaccination, or any other medication, should never be mandatory. Everyone is not the same. My Dad fought in WW2 and was seriously injured so that we could keep our freedoms and not have this sort of thing thrust upon us. It is an appalling idea.

My 2 sons were both vaccinated and the younger one has been suffering with the results of low-level vaccine damage ever since (he's now 37). I would not have been aware of the cause of this without going to a talk by the well researched (and very stern!!) Vera Scheibner in 1995 or 6. What she said explained a lot.

Please keep this a free country.

Grace Green

Thank you for writing these letters, and passing on this information to us. I'm struck by Jackie's experience of the medical staff declining to restrain her son for tests. I'm thinking we need to educate the children, not just the parents, as I've heard of many cases of children being vaccinated against the will of their parents. I'm racking my brain to think of how we could get this information across to the children, either online or in leaflets. Anyone got any ideas?
When it comes to the demos is it going to be red, orange, white or black T-shirts? Lets get printing them!

Morag

Thanks John and Jackie. We need modern day [Seanchaidh's] Gaelic for Storytellers /Historians- Original Professors ! recording and passing on important information of our time for people .
This is very disturbing and serious information. Re "The design and reporting of safety outcomes in VACCA-A-NATION studies ,both pre and post marketing are largely inadequate" which would indicate that the science has never been done ? "Medical Science Sector suffering from an acute infestation of Conduct Disorder perhaps " As for the conduct of online nefarous trolls or monstrous [DUBH-ANS]
Dark-soul'ed ones don't wory about them they are nothing to write home about. The Fairy tale/Fable
"The Three Billy Goats Gruff" teaches us that even a goat can outsmart a troll ! apparently trolls hate daylight but are absolutely terrified of laughter. Where are the vaccine risk assessments perhaps they are " Away with the faries " so thats why they have not been completed in thefirst place !

bob moffit

"We have parents from many groups of the medical establishment (consultants, doctors, nurses etc) that have reported serious life-changing events following reactions to routine vaccinations. Some of the doctors have actually vaccinated their own children and now have to live with the consequences. We have asked some if they will speak out but they have told us of their fears for their reputations, promotion prospects even their final pension plans. I can understand this."


Edmund Burke also "understood" ... writing:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Indeed .. evil throughout history succeeded precisely because "good men did nothing" .. choosing instead to stay SILENT .. to "protect their reputations, promotion prospects and pension plans"

When history is written ... in my opinion .. it will be the WHISTLE-BLOWERS who deserve mankind's greatest recognition ..

While I have EMPATHY for ANYONE who witnessed first-hand the personal and professional destruction of someone who dared to "speak up" .. such as .. Dr Wakefield .. and .. his entire family ... and chooses to remain silent because of what happened to him .. none-the-less .. I suspect it is very hard to sleep well at night.


Hans Hitten

Told you it was coming !!


https://cdc.news/2017-07-23-why-is-new-cdc-director-a-military-major-from-the-u-s-air-force.html

On July 7, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Tom Price announced that Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, M.D., a board-certified obstetrician and gynecologist, will be taking over as head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Dr. Fitzgerald has an extensive resume relative to her position, which includes more than 30 years as a practicing physician. She also happens to be a Major in the U.S. Air Force, having served at both the Wurtsmith Air Force Strategic Air Command (SAC) Base in Michigan and at Andrews Air Force Base in Washington, D.C.

Why is this last point relevant? Because many people don’t realize that the CDC in many ways functions as a branch of the United States military. The agency itself isn’t officially designated as such, of course. But a good number of its medical officers, which now include among their ranks Dr. Fitzgerald, are members of the Commissioned Corps of the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS). And this agency is officially designated as one of the seven U.S. uniformed services, along with the Army, the Navy, and Dr. Fitzgerald’s branch, the Air Force.

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