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Italy Mandates Vaccines & Implements Fines As Glaxo Promises A Billion Euro Investments

Svegliati! (Wake up!) Quid pro quo in action. This is not a coincidence. Italy mandates vaccines and implements fines as vaccine manufacturer Glaxo promises more than a Billion Euro investment. Italians who are awake are already up in arms over the loss of healthcare liberty and penalties. Mass Protests Against Mandatory Vaccines in Rome – Some Parents Prepare to Leave Italy
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GlaxoSmithKline to invest more than €1 billion in Italy over four years

US pharmaceutical giant GSK is planning to invest more than €1 billion in Italy over the next four years, according to Daniele Finocchiaro, CEO of GSK Italia.

The funds won’t be going to “the construction of new plants, but to reinforce product lines and provide more continuity for research and development. Specialization is the greatest weapon we have and—as shown by our acquisition of the vaccine center in Siena—we are aiming for excellence and looking to grow,” he said.

GSK current has revenues of €1 billion in Italy, 5,100 employees and a network of nine research centers, manufacturing plants and commercial offices. It is reviving the vaccine center in Rosia, in the city of Sovicille near Siena.

“For GSK, Italy is a strategic country and the nation receiving the biggest chunk of resources outside the company’s country of origin. When the purchase of Novartis’ vaccine business closed eight months ago, we doubled the number of employees and investments, adding the sites in Siena and nearby Rosia,” he said.

GSK has confirmed plans to invest €50 million this year in Siena to build two new facilities, for production and quality control laboratories. The fresh funds follow previous investments in Siena-area facilities, in 2006 and 2014: €1.2 billion for research and development and €350 million for offices and manufacturing plants.

Growth in Siena was spurred by the meningitis B vaccine developed by a team led by scientist Rino Rappuoli, CEO of GSK Vaccines Italia, a division with €591 million in revenue in 2014—94% exports—and 2,880 employees from 43 nations.

“To understand how much this sector has grown, just imagine that only 1,300 people worked here ten years ago,” said Rappuoli.

This year, 94 milion vaccine doses will be manufactured in Siena and distributed to 78 countries. The Tuscan district has been named by GSK as one of the company’s three centers of global excellence for vaccines is the only one producing meningitis vaccines, even if it hasn't yet reached its optimal level of efficiency.

“The merging of the vaccine division of the former Novartis into GSK, seeking to avoid duplication, isn’t over yet,” said Finocchiaro. “We have to create the most efficient possible structure in order for it to be sustainable in the long term. That’s why initially, in Italy, employment won't rise. Everyone has to make some sacrifices and today we are an entity that is creating wealth in the nation because we invest more than we earn.”

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kws

wow, I'm sorry its so bad in London.
I ran the California numbers again pulling in the Developmental Services data to corroborate the Education numbers. Its still in the range: 1 in 16 - 1 in 19.

http://www.dds.ca.gov/FactsStats/docs/QR/March2017_Quarterly.pdf
69% of disabilities were autism, 3-5 year olds.

http://dq.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/
7.6 % of 2017 California kindergartners had disabilities

Therefore, ~5.2% of 2017 California kindergartners have autism (1 in 19).

John Stone

Hans

Round about that. Very likely. My letter just posted in BMJ Raopid Responses:

http://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2973/rr-4

Re: Evidence based medicine manifesto for better healthcare

Thank you Dr Anand. Indeed, in my letter in the aforementioned correspondence [1] I pointed to the study by Mawson et al into health outcomes in a vaccinated versus an unvaccinated population, an area of health policy where we are often not encouraged to look. Mawson et al recorded:

"A convenience sample of 666 children was obtained, of which 261 (39%) were unvaccinated. The vaccinated were less likely than the unvaccinated to have been diagnosed with chickenpox and pertussis, but more likely to have been diagnosed with pneumonia, otitis media, allergies and NDD. After adjustment, vaccination, male gender, and preterm birth remained significantly associated with NDD. However, in a final adjusted model with interaction, vaccination but not preterm birth remained associated with NDD, while the interaction of preterm birth and vaccination was associated with a 6.6-fold increased odds of NDD (95% CI: 2.8, 15.5). In conclusion, vaccinated homeschool children were found to have a higher rate of allergies and NDD than unvaccinated homeschool children. While vaccination remained significantly associated with NDD after controlling for other factors, preterm birth coupled with vaccination was associated with an apparent synergistic increase in the odds of NDD. Further research involving larger, independent samples and stronger research designs is needed to verify and understand these unexpected findings in order to optimize the impact of vaccines on children’s health."

I also reported in the same letter evidence that referral for autism diagnosis in London may now be running at around 10,000 cases a year, a rate which indicates perhaps more than 10% of the younger child population is affected. I wonder at what point it might become urgent to look at this?

[1] John Stone, 'Re: US government website for collecting adverse events after vaccination is inaccessible to most users'., 29 May 2017 http://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2449/rr-

Han Litten

Posted by: John Stone | June 23, 2017 at 01:47 PM

So John , the rate of autism in London (a city of 9M) is now 11.1%

Is that what we are saying ? (Stephanie Seneff)

ATSC

rtp: "But pro-vaxxers are all pathological liars who set a ridiculously high standard of evidence for vaccine injury/death and a ridiculously low standard of evidence for measles injury/death."

Yes, double standards. Death after vaccines = SIDS, SUIDS or SUDS. Death after measles infection = Measles death

Call from anxious parent of recently-vaccinated child to medical centre:
Parent: "My child is feverish and has been crying for hours"
Nurse: "Those are quite common after vaccines. Give him Tylenol"

Later
Parent: "My child has a fever, he's vomiting, won't eat, I can't wake him up, and I think he might have had a seizure. He's not responding to us!"
Nurse: "Give him Tylenol. Don't worry, he'll be fine. "

A few weeks later.

Parent: "My son has stopped talking, the sparkle has gone from his eyes and he's not responding to his name."
Doctor: "Boys are like that. He's probably too busy concentrating on something to answer you. Compared to girls their language is often delayed. Don't worry, he'll be fine."

Several months later...
Doctor: "According to this checklist, your son has autism."
Parent: "But his development was very good before those vaccines."
Doctor: "No one knows what causes autism but we do know it's not caused by vaccines. You must have missed the signs."

Call from anxious parent of child with measles to the same medical centre.

Parent: "My child has a fever, he's vomiting, won't eat, I can't wake him up, and I think he might have had a seizure. He's not responding to us!".

Nurse: "Get him to hospital immediately!"

A few weeks later.

Doctor: "I'm sorry but your child has suffered an encephalitis and you may find that his personality has completely changed. He may have lost some skills. His speech may have been affected and he may have auditory processing problems which will naturally affect his understanding of language and his ability to learn, to socialise, and to make friends. His behaviour may have changed. He may become aggressive and destructive. He may have sleeping problems and being awake all night, night after night, will be difficult for your family. He may become oversensitive to touch and noise. He may develop depression, anxiety, and obsessive compulsive disorders."

Do you see the difference Eindeker, and, without looking at their medical histories, could you see any difference at all between a child with regressive autism and a child with post-encephalitic syndrome? Same symptoms, different diagnosis based solely on medical history which of course is usually absent when children suffer vaccine-induced encephalitis because doctors rarely examine sick children after vaccination, and don't believe that reactions cause long-term effects, or, if they know they do, think that some children's brains and lives are worth sacrificing in the war against disease, so long as it's for the greater good - and so long as it's not their own children - collateral damage is acceptable to them.

John Stone

Hans

I have shown that if you mapped the rate from 5 London boroughs (1500 cases) on to 32 it would be in the range of 10,000 cases. I thought there would be a rate of about 90,000 births which turns out to be exactly right.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2300355/one-in-three-babies-born-in-uk-last-year-had-foreign-parent-compared-to-just-one-in-five-in-2000/

Hans Hitten

John , this is the usual BBC waffle claptrap . Where did you get the figures ? 10%
Seriously . Stephanie Seneff has called this all so right.

I don't see the details in the article . Or am I rushing again .
Please show your calculation .

This is a holocaust , may you scoundrels rot for this .

John Stone

Hans

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40058482

Hans Hitten

Posted by: John Stone | June 23, 2017 at 11:03 AM

John , would you mind repeating the link to the BBC story again for me .please.thanks

John Stone

Hans

Actually, my recent article was based on a BBC report which gave real figures but highlighted the wrong problem. If these figures are replicated elsewhere then level is above 10%.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/10000-new-cases-of-autism-in-london-a-year-as-bureaucrats-plan-to-dump-children.html

Hans Hitten

Posted by: susan welch | June 23, 2017 at 04:34 AM

Great riposte .
But Susan the rate of autism in South Carolina is 1 in 28 .
They are no longer updating the figures at all in most states or countries. Censorship.
The UK doesn't talk about it at all anymore . Total BBC news blackout .

Eindeker , I feel flu is the biggest threat to us all , and as such I want to remind you to take your flu shot each and every year (and if you forget whether you took it or not one year , then take it again).

rtp

Of course as we all know you ask questions but never answer any but I'll ask anyway.

If antibiotics actually solved the root problem how do you explain recurring antibiotic use?

If they actually worked the way you think they do then there would be no reason for patients to continually go back to using abx for the same disease.

But the fact is they don't fix the root cause so patients need to keep on with round after another.

Are you going to explain recurrent abx use Eindecker? Under your belief it makes zero sense. Once you've "beaten" the bacteria back you would have immunity to it right? So recurrent abx use would almost never happen.

So thanks for that Eindecker. You won't respond of course and will just throw out another red herring but I'm sure others here appreciate the clarity that my answer to your question provides.

rtp

Eindecker, you have never once asked nor answered a good question in good faith.

Why call me a lunatic and then ask a question?

Given neurological disorders have skyrocketed since the mass vaccine programs on what basis do you claim it is our responsibility to prevent measles caused neurological conditions - assuming the measles virus causes such things.

The onus is on you to do something about this.

As for antibiotics here's the thing.

Abx prevent symptoms. Do you know what else prevents symptoms?

Analgesics. Vitamin C. A plethora of things.

Reducing symptoms doesn't prove it fixes the root cause of the problem.

Abx also kill germs. But the germ killing isn't what fixes the problem.

But you don't care about this. You care about rationalizing the mass poisoning of children.

Angus Files


Eindecker dont go the entertainment you supply you cant put a price on it..

"How do you think his (alleged) conflicts of interest compare with the proven ones of Andrew Wakefield? "

If you search Pollard Age Of Autism it nicely supplies a full page of articles on Pollard heaps more available but nobody here has the time to write them all up. -

If your not happy with that go to the intellectual property rights and look up Pollard and his name is on hundred of thousands of different patent applications including Men B -.

If your still not happy with that go to the link below and have your Ostrich Parasitic Syndrome(OSC) seen to urgently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eXGj_RnGS4

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MMR RIP

Morag

Dear Eindecker, do you not even know, the history , of your own forensically fondeled data you stupid man!
Suggest your data needs to get itself back to primary school, to resit its exams ,on how to spot the difference between a disinfectant and an antiseptic .
Failing that, away and dry your eyes, and grow up ma dear.

susan welch

Eindeker, you really do push it to the limit, don't you?

Firstly, what is you obsession with measles? You will say that people die from it, but that is not really why you are concerned, is it? If children dying was a concern for you, then you would have looked at vaccine reactions/deaths. Although you appear to be concerned about the effects of measles, you do not appear to be in the least bit concerned with brain injury caused by vaccines. How is that? Nor do you appear to be concerned that the rate of autism has increased from 1 in 10,000 to approx 1 in 50. Have you any idea how autism affects whole families? Do you even care?

As far as Dr Wakefield is concerned, you just spout media propaganda of hate. Are you not intelligent enough to have researched the truth? I have read Callous Disregard. Have you?

John is right - enough!

John Stone

Eindeker

There you go: more waffle. The JCVI recommend vaccines to be added to the schedule. That is how they get there. Actually, as far as I can see the price of Bexsero was not agreed at the JCVI, they only recommended it for use and the price was arranged between GSK and Jeremy Hunt in time for the election more than a year later - after GSK had its asset swap with Novartis. But also Prof Pollard has conflicts in the EMA which is a licensing body. How do I rate his conflicts in comparison with Andrew Wakefield's? They are in my opinion incomparably worse given the incredible heap of vicious lies which you support against Andrew Wakefield.

Wakefield's conflicts very briefly. Wakefield never hid that he was working for the court in the MMR litigation - this was made up by Richard Horton. The Lancet paper that was alleged by Deer, Sunday Times and BMJ to be a study commissioned by the Legal Aid Board had nothing to do with it, as confirmed in the English High Court by Mr Justice Mitting. The allegation that Wakefield was planning a rival vaccine had actually been dropped by Deer by 2011 and watered down to how Wakefield planned to make money, but the product was a therapeutic one. If Wakefield had a financial interest it would have been in maintaining more MMR damage till he could market the product, rather than warning against MMR.

Eindeker, I think it might be time to say goodbye.

PS Of course, a major part of the problem with Prof Pollard is actually that he appears to be some kind of linchpin, whose position is being protected at the JCVI and EMA despite it being apparently and rather obviously anomalous. The conflict is not just some matter only known to him but policy.

Eindeker

Thanks for your quick response but I am genuinely at a loss to see where or when I've You never "suggested governments cutting corners" simply just commended it, or turned a blind eye please expand.
Re Pollard I have pointed out several times the role of the UK JCVI is not concerned with efficacy or safety, that's all at a higher European licensing level, the JCVI is concerned with whether the vaccine is suitable and cost effective for introducing into the UK. It's all about health economic modelling, which judging by Pollard's CV is probably not one of his specialities. How do you think his (alleged) conflicts of interest compare with the proven ones of Andrew Wakefield?
Now John, Anne, Mark, Kim & Teresa what about that bloody great big elephant sitting in the corner of the room?

John Stone

Eindeker

You never "suggested governments cutting corners" simply just commended it, or turned a blind eye. More "poor Prof Pollard" but Prof Pollard has major conflicts even by today's extraordinary standards and you just pretend they are not there. I leave it to others judge who might be being waffly.

Eindeker

He keeps on posing the question why governments should not cut corners with the truth and transparency in pursuit of the greater good? Part of the answer is that we don't know that it is the greater good if deception is involved, and moreover bad habits start to form as the machine loses basic control of itself. Eh John…. I was unaware that I've ever suggested governments cutting corners, & I'm concerned with data. I’m afraid your comment is a bit wafflely and arm-waving, like many of the Machiavellian plots that you construct, often involving poor Prof Pollard
It’s that elephant in the room of data that you refuse to address John, but not just you, it is anyone from this site. In the last 7-8 years there have been very large outbreaks of measles across Europe, 2010 & 11 saw about 30000 cases each year and 20-30 deaths plus 10 times that number with permanent neurological damage and many fold that number being hospitalized; the vast majority of these cases being in unvaccinated individuals, but you know the data John as well as I do & I think we’ve laid to rest that old chestnut of over diagnosis.
The Age of Autism web site gives editorial space to the likes of Laura Hayes “to initiate legislation for an immediate moratorium on all vaccinations for all people since not one should ever have been approved or marketed.” If the AoA site is publishing opinion pieces such as this, assumed to be with the collective editorial approval, then you must surely have a moral responsibility to explain how to deal with these large outbreaks of infectious disease clearly due to under vaccination. I am not personalizing this issue at you John but I want to know what is your, and the AoA, advice on dealing with this avoidable situation without the use of vaccines.

@ RTP You can't stop disease because disease is not exogenously caused.... OK RTP please explain the well known observation of antibiotics, eg when an organism (“germ” to you RTP) is isolated from, say, the blood of a patient with PUO, and laboratory tests confirm the isolate is sensitive to the antibiotic being used to treat the patient clinical outcomes are much improved compared to cases where the isolate is resistant to the antibiotic given (you can look up the references try googling “golden hour” in the treatment of sepsis), or do you just ignore the effect of antibiotics RTP?

I inevitably sound crazy to most people Yep you’ve got a hole in one there RTP :-) 

Morag

Sorry another spelling error Sir Archibald Cambell Black KC, OBE, and his wife were very good to my granny Gunn .

Morag

Vaccination Italy .Forced conscription of a catastrophic health and safety risk assessment failure .
John ,see Vaccination- University of Glasgow -- economicsocialhistory/historymedicine/vaccination
article outline Scottish Way of Birth and Death . vaccination timeline UK
John , see also . World War 2 - Radical Glasgow . Glasgow Caledonian University.
World War 2 - Conscientious Objectors .
My Granny, Georgina Gunn, was Sir Archiebald Cambell's cook, at Huntly Gardens, West end of Glasgow. She told us how ,after the WW2 Great Uncle Angus would cause embarassment over High Tea by saying " Yes indeed , when I was in Wormwood Scrubs Prison " because he failed to explain that it was because he was a real conscientious objector,that after the untold horror of slaughter of "The Great War" Fifty percent from The Highlands said " Never Again !"

Grace Green

Sara P, I don't agree with you that family size has nothing to do with measles. It is well known, and I have experienced it myself, that smaller families are better resourced and able to give more attention to individual care. Conversely, overcrowding is a prerequisite for the spread of many infectious diseases.
As to your other comments, in the UK we have free contraception as well as sterilization. There is also the option of adoption. I am personally opposed to abortion or forced sterilization, so I am definitely not advocating eugenics. Also, in the UK we have child benefits which should be automatic for all children. They are set at different amounts for the first, second, and subsequent children. That is already eugenics! I am only advocating that those amounts could be varied to encourage smaller families. Personally, if I had been told what would happen to my children as a result of vaccination, and the financial persecution we've experienced because of our autism, I would have chosen not to inflict that on anyone. In the USA you don't experience the level of overcrowding and consequent stresses that we do in Europe. 2.44 children may not seem a lot to you in the USA but that's an average, and it still means an increasing population. So I think my suggestion is way preferable to Eindeker's of vaccinating everyone to Kingdom Come.

John Stone

Hi rtp

I am not sure that everyone has to buy into your account of measles or disease to remain sceptical of the claims made for vaccines. I think you have a stronger point about Eindeker always asking us to answer his problems. He keeps on posing the question why governments should not cut corners with the truth and transparency in pursuit of the greater good? Part of the answer is that we don't know that it is the greater good if deception is involved, and moreover bad habits start to form as the machine loses basic control of itself.

I have no doubt that some very interesting arguments are to be had about the nature of disease, but I am sure Eindeker believes that measles vaccine suppresses measles infection and that in itself doesn't involve him in dishonesty.

rtp


And I note your fundamental dishonesty Eindecker. You keep on demanding that we answer your questions, but you conspicuously ignore the responses that I provide. So why don't you answer this? What are you going to do about the fact that ever since the widespread use of vaccines, childhood disability rates have increased tenfold?

rtp

Eindecker, you keep on demanding that we provide you with solutions of how to control measles. This is a non-sequitur because the vaccine doesn't and can't prevent measles. It is like demanding we come up with a solution to stop all car accident fatalities and because we can't, conclude that we must accept *your* proposal to ban cars and replace them with motorbikes with bad brakes. You can't stop disease because disease is not exogenously caused. Nor can you stop it from spreading, because it was never able to spread in the first place. If diseases were so easily spread from person to person then doctors would have the lifespan of a fruitfly.

Sara P

Grace Green,

I'm curious about your proposal to "encourage people to have smaller families using financial incentives." First, the average size for an Italian family, as of 2012, is 2.44 children. This isn't small enough for you? https://www.nakono.com/tekcarta/databank/households-average-household-size/ If you peruse this database, you'll realize that Italian families are about the size of families in other western European countries.

Second, financial "incentives" to one party equates to financial penalties to another. It's like grocery shopping at Safeway and refusing to join their consumer data collection "club"; it's not that the prices are lower for "members" so much as higher for "non-members."

We've tried these so-called "family caps" in the United States, (still in place in about 19 states, last I checked), and they really don't sound much different Australia's current policy of "encouraging" vaccine compliance by withholding benefits to which even middle class families are entitled. In either case, a medical procedure--abortion or on-schedule vaccination--is imposed on citizens via financial coercion, something that most readers of this blog presumably wouldn't support. By discouraging poor women from having children, family cap policies are plain and simple eugenics.

Finally, what on earth do family caps have to do with measles? A virus will strike on its own accord and frankly doesn't care about the size of your family.

Grace Green

Eindeker, Returning to this conversation after a day away from home, here is my answer to your question about how I would solve Italy's measles "problem". 1) Encourage people to have smaller families using financial incentives. 2) Raise the standard of living for the poorer sectors of the population, 3) Educate doctors in how to teach the patient, or the patient's carer, about natural care of childhood illness. Today's doctors do not have one clue about diet, and in my experience usually give damaging advice, if they can be persuaded to give any advice at all. The very best treatments for illnesses are extremely inexpensive compared to high-tech or pharmaceutical methods. Perhaps that's your stumbling block?

annie

Eindeker,

Your notion of the greater good
Does not superceed a mother's right
MOTHER"S RIGHT
to protect
PROTECT
her HER HER HER
infant

Eindeker

@Whyser I never commented that the study was an overarching comparison of any vaccine & autism, & yes I fully understand that they only referenced the potential of MMR & autism, but the postings were referring to measles, so it was relevant for that respect. 2 populations one received MMR, the other did not & no difference in rates of autism, would you not expect to see an effect if MMR was implicated, a bit like thiomersal being effectively eliminated (apart from multi-dose formulations) with no effect whatsoever on autism incidence, sort eliminates that from being implicated in autism
@ John yes I do understand your tolerance of some of the postings, but it did seem to sum up an attitude of "less than 2000 cases, and you do not know how many are actually measles, in a country of 60m" but can we agree that modern reporting of measles is far more rigorous than in the past and nearly all epidemiology refers to both reported & laboratory confirmed cases?
@ Pietro thank you for the Italian statistics, I think the incidence is much higher than other European countries, the problem is that in European epidemiology surveys Italy is one of the countries highlighted where measles is not under control, along with Romania. In the first 4 months of this year the Italian ministry reported 1739 cases (but only 159 were health care workers), but the worry is that this is accelerating, over 700 cases were reported in March, we wait to see what happens. I remember the ISS (Istituto Superiore di Sanita' well, having spent some time working there.

But John, & others, what do you recommend to control the disease in a potential situation like Italy, where cases are increasing significantly, or Romania where there are already large numbers of deaths? The only comment was quarantine which, because of the relative appearance of infectivity before the rash appears is pretty useless. Vitamin A has to be given in 2 large iv doses to have an effect on measles and this is only relevant to children with vitamin A deficiency, so hardly relevant in the current Italian situation.

whyser

Eindeker

"Unfortunately John & Laura there is an excellent study comparing autism risk in MMR vaccinated and unvaccinated kids at high risk of autism and there was no correlation between autism and receipt of the MMR http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444"

This study among many others that study MMR and autism and finding no relationship are fundamentally flawed. When the assertion is that "vaccines cause autism", there is NO USE looking at MMR-only when looking at vaccine's relationship to autism.

I've also communicated with the corresponding author, Dr Anjali Jain, regarding the meaning of unvaccinated and whether the study concerned itself with any other vaccine that the population received. Dr Anjali Jain confirmed that unvaccinated meant unvaccinated ONLY for MMR, and that no other vaccination histories were taken into account for the study.

What this boils down to is a comparison of a vaccinated control population vs a vaccinated case population, the only difference being is that the controls didn't get MMR while the cases did get it.

So if we're comparing vaccinated vs vaccinated groups and find that the rates of autism are statistically insignificant, does this exonerate vaccines relationship with autism? Not by a long shot.

Maybe we should push science into looking further into those vaccinated vs completely unvaccinated populations like the ones that came out recently. They're not perfect studies, and I would hope that someone would attempt to do a better designed study or replicate it to either support or refute its findings.

Angus Files

Exactly Shelly as the great man said..

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John f Kennedy

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MMR RIP

Linda1

Eindecker,
I see you skipped over Gatti's research. A bit of a thorn, isn't it, finding stainless steel and other biologically incompatible materials in biologics? But your assertion that Dr. Samsel's findings should be ignored until published is amusing. Tainted products are reported and then dealt with by the regulating authorities, or that's how it's supposed to go. We aren't supposed to wait for publication. LOL

Angus Files

Grace Green
"Angus, do you think we could muster 15000 in Scotland, or the UK?"

Sorry I dont think so at this moment in time.It would be interesting how the Italians all came together for the march who organised it etc.

The closest Scotland has come to forced vaccination is through the "named person policy" which has now been scrapped.Now if that had gone through 15k for a demo seems possible.My friends below from NO2NP. They saved Scotland from forced vaccination.Shame on the SNP for supporting this my political party since 1984 and my parents before that.

http://no2np.org/scot-gov-climbdown-named-persons-triggers-expensive-retraining-exercise/

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MMR RIP

Shelley Tzorfas

This is a Critical Turning Point for Italy and other countries in the world. In the US it was when President Ronal Regan with dementia signed a law giving "0" liability to vaccine maker's and preventing lawsuits against them no matter how many children became injured, paralyzed, developed seizures, cancer, became Autistic, ADHD, lost all verbal skills, died, or became riddled with Auto-immune illnesses. More than 54% of our children became chronically ill from the neurotoxic Aluminum, thimerosal/Mercury, cancer promoting Formaldehyde, aborted Human fetal cells and other toxins. The peanut oils in vaccines alone produced massive numbers of children with life threatening food allergies. This reminds me about how Bill Gates offered new computers in most of our schools in exchange for the schools adopting his "Common Core" ideology. What he didn't alert them to was how much money it would cost (More than he gave) to run these programs. In my opinion it is a dismal failure. Little first graders now have to be repeatedly bombarded on a regular basis with taking computerized exams. The teachers barely know the child's reading ability as much of the time, the child is plugged in. School is now a headache for them. They are not getting ahead-they are falling way behind. Many teachers and schools are trying to get out from the system. Scores are plummeting as America sinks further behind. The price the educational system and our children are paying for this supposed monetary award is astronomical.
GSK is offering a Billion Dollars but as 1 in 28 children develop Brain Encephalitis aka Autism and other serious issues, as you lose 2 generations to long term chronic illness, as kids become so ill that you can barely educate them, as your cancer rate jumps up to the numbers similar to ours, as Alzheimers and paralysis eats away at your people, as your divorce rate explodes from the stress that the ill children put on the families, you will be paying far more in the long run-more than you could ever imagine!

John Stone

Eindeker

I was considering not posting your response - you see it begins with an outright quoting me as saying "nothing whatever to worry about". Actually, that is not my view of any disease. Meanwhile, you are hyping the risk of measles. I was pointing how policy can be distorted, and how lies are told over and again in order to distort it.

Pietro, whose earlier comment I had missed was pointing out how the disease varied from year to year:

"Look at 2010 and 2013. Nobody seemed to be that much worried then"

So, he was characterising not my view, but that of the authorities. Of course mortality is going to much more serious in somewhere like Romania.

But, of course, you don't reply to my points so I am not sure why we should bother with yours.

Regarding my comments on the Men B jab, I suggest that every time you add a new product you increase the risk of neurological harm - the amount of neurological damage is increasing in our children by the year, and for that there is evidence.

Eindeker

OK, thank you for your replies, so summing up the practical advice that has been given on how the Italian health authorities should stem the outbreak of measles.

1: Ignore it, “nothing to worry about” (John) 1603 reported cases is not 1603 confirmed cases (even you could trust the authorities making the confirmation, which you can't), in a population of >60m. That old chestnut yet again, well times move on and most cases are laboratory confirmed according to the stats from the 12 months up to end March 52% of cases reported on clinical grounds in Romania and 73% in Italy http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/measles/epidemiological_data/Pages/measles_surveillance_reports.aspx
But just look at the disease progression in Italy: 250 in 2015, 840 in 2016 & 1500 so far this year, but look at the latest data in March 2016, 75 cases of measles were reported compared to 727 in March 2017, 88% unvaccinated. So John I’m sorry but there is everything to worry about for the Italian health authority.
I would also want to contract measles in my childhood so that I could gain the many benefits of doing so that’d include a 1 in 2-3000 risk of short term death and a similar long term risk of the brain wasting disease SSPE would it Laura?

2: All vaccines are bad, by definition, so we shouldn’t use them (John & Laura) the position could well have deteriorated further by next year when the first wave of infants vaccinated with the new Men B vaccine begin to feed through into the system Any evidence you’d like to give for this statement John?……….MMR vaccine and resultant possibilities, including Autism, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, lifelong GI issues, type 1 diabetes, to name but a few. Unfortunately John & Laura there is an excellent study comparing autism risk in MMR vaccinated and unvaccinated kids at high risk of autism and there was no correlation between autism and receipt of the MMR http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 so there is no justification for not using MMR in this case, I don’t really do disease alphabet spaghetti Laura and please do a bit of proper reading over the need for newborns to have vitamin K at birth https://www.nct.org.uk/parenting/vitamin-k

3: Tell’em the facts, good bad & indifferent (Linda) Firstly you did actually make a concrete suggestion of ”I would try to find a way to quarantine those susceptible segments of the population,” well 2 things wrong with that (A) people infected with measles can be infectious for up to 4 days before the rash appears & (B) I guess you’re including babies <12 months, I’ll leave you to describe the system for doing that Linda.
In your fact telling will you be telling them that measles vaccine is 95% effective after 2 doses, that the mortality rate with measles is 1 in every 2-3000, that the director of VAXXED doesn’t have a basic grasp of measles epidemiology (case fatality of 1 in 300000 pre vaccine etc), that the originator of the MMR/autism link was subsequently shown to have massive financial interests in discrediting the MMR vaccine etc etc Anthony Samsel's finding glyphosate in human vaccines to the best of my knowledge he has never actually published these findings and there was a lovely caveat published by the journal regarding one of their papers “Since the nature of the claims against the paper concern speculation and opinion, and not fraud or academic misconduct, the editors would like to issue an Expression of Concern to make readers aware that the approach to collating literature citations for this article was likely not systematic and may not reflect the spectrum of opinions on the issues covered by the article. Please refer to our policy regarding possibly controversial articles.

Pietro

Hi Eindeker:

measles has periodic outbreaks every 3 to 5 years.
Comparing the cases of this year with those of last year makes no sense.
In the following you can see the numbers for the last years in Italy
(source: http://www.epicentro.iss.it/problemi/morbillo/epidItalia.asp).
I have added the variation with respect of the previous year
Format is: year - no of cases - variation in %

2008: 5312
2009: 759 -85.71%
2010: 3011 296.71%
2011: 4671 55.13%
2012 : 622 -86.68%
2013 : 2262 263.67%
2014 : 1695 -25.07%
2015 : 754 -55.52%
2016 : 865 14.72%

Look at 2010 and 2013. Nobody seemed to be that much worried then.
No 12 shots made mandatory without a single word of explanation.
No threats of unthinkable fines or child removal.
No removal of access to school.
And now, four years later, another increase. Really so strange, so unexpected?
Most of the cases we are having are in adults > 19, many among medical personnel.
We start to have cases in kids < 4 (statistics don't discriminate below that age - also strange -
would be nice to know how many below 1) who were practically unseen before vaccination.
Same goes for the adults.
The age window targeted by the new vaccination law is the one less impacted by this, well, outbreak.
And what we get is a 12-shots mandate with fines and no access to schools
and child removal and all the rest? No, thanks.
And just before this measles alarm there was the meningitis period.
Every new and single case of meningitis in the country would end up on the news
with the usual attached declaration of this or that doctor cursing the people who don't vaccinate.
It was incredible - it looked like we were in the middle of a monster health crisis.
Then the ISS (Istituto Superiore di Sanita') in a strange burst of honesty declared that no,
there was no real meningitis emergency, nothing really out of the normal.
And meningitis disappeared from the news and from everywhere, Italy was suddenly meningitis-free.
But then the measles arrived, with the numbers you can see above.
Enideker: we have been having fake health alarms on the news
every single day for the last 3-4 years and now we get this vaccination bill.
Hope this answers your question.

Bayareamom

"So John, Pietro, Linda1 & Laura if you were the Italian health authorities precisely what would you do when there is a raging measles outbreak in a nearby country apparently fed by anti-MMR propaganda?"

As John said, this is not about that. It is about corporate and government profits and subjugation and exploitation of the global population. But I'll play along and answer your question.

If I was an Italian health authority, I would be honest. I would inform the public about the risks of the disease and of the risks of the vaccine, including the deliberate limitations in our knowledge regarding the latter and the current litigation regarding the mumps portion. I would inform the public about how the vaccination program has destroyed natural immunity so that, while an outbreak of measles was not dangerous for children ages 5-9 in the immediate pre vaccine era, because the vaccine has prevented natural infection and immunity to occur, women pregnant now whose vaccine immunity has waned and infants of any vaccinated mother could face dire consequences from measles infection. I would try to find a way to quarantine those susceptible segments of the population. I would not force anyone to take a vaccine and I would not lie to anyone about the risks of their choices. I would also have by now fully investigated the findings of Italian research scientist Antonietta Gatti, who found a long list of harmful nanoparticle contaminants in a long list of human vaccines, American researcher Anthony Samsel's finding glyphosate in human vaccines, and I would have taken immediate corrective action that would have included Chinese style prison sentences for the manufacturers found to be criminally negligent. I would have long ago publicly demanded that the United States Government, the WHO and the CDC formally answer to charges of corruption by William Thompson, SPIDER, the Simpsonwood transcript, and Poul Thorsen, and to protect my own citizens, I would have recommended that my own government examine and verify the validity of all research coming out of the CDC. I would have nominated Andrew Wakefield for the Nobel prize in medicine and I would hire him as a special consultant to the Italian health authority to tackle the many problems that the vaccine program has caused.

Most importantly, if I was an Italian health authority, I wouldn't be selling Italian children to Glaxo Smith Kline in exchange for economic development. I would tell Pharma to GO TO HELL with their money."


BRAVO, LINDA1. What a fantastic response (and Laura's as well). Further, I would love to have witnessed this same type of response from our American public as has recently been seen in Italy. On the other hand, this issue is becoming more and more mainstream, thanks in no small part to the documentary, Vaxxed.

Linda1

Eindecker,

"So John, Pietro, Linda1 & Laura if you were the Italian health authorities precisely what would you do when there is a raging measles outbreak in a nearby country apparently fed by anti-MMR propaganda?"

As John said, this is not about that. It is about corporate and government profits and subjugation and exploitation of the global population. But I'll play along and answer your question.

If I was an Italian health authority, I would be honest. I would inform the public about the risks of the disease and of the risks of the vaccine, including the deliberate limitations in our knowledge regarding the latter and the current litigation regarding the mumps portion. I would inform the public about how the vaccination program has destroyed natural immunity so that, while an outbreak of measles was not dangerous for children ages 5-9 in the immediate pre vaccine era, because the vaccine has prevented natural infection and immunity to occur, women pregnant now whose vaccine immunity has waned and infants of any vaccinated mother could face dire consequences from measles infection. I would try to find a way to quarantine those susceptible segments of the population. I would not force anyone to take a vaccine and I would not lie to anyone about the risks of their choices. I would also have by now fully investigated the findings of Italian research scientist Antonietta Gatti, who found a long list of harmful nanoparticle contaminants in a long list of human vaccines, American researcher Anthony Samsel's finding glyphosate in human vaccines, and I would have taken immediate corrective action that would have included Chinese style prison sentences for the manufacturers found to be criminally negligent. I would have long ago publicly demanded that the United States Government, the WHO and the CDC formally answer to charges of corruption by William Thompson, SPIDER, the Simpsonwood transcript, and Poul Thorsen, and to protect my own citizens, I would have recommended that my own government examine and verify the validity of all research coming out of the CDC. I would have nominated Andrew Wakefield for the nobel prize in medicine and I would hire him as a special consultant to the Italian health authority to tackle the many problems that the vaccine program has caused.

Most importantly, if I was an Italian health authority, I wouldn't be selling Italian children to Glaxo Smith Kline in exchange for economic development. I would tell Pharma to GO TO HELL with their money.


John Stone

Personally, I have never taken an absolutist stance but the most basic rule of medical ethics (Primum non nocere), sound scientific method (bogus studies abound) and good government (all checks and balances dismantled, a propaganda machine in over-drive) are being smashed to smithereens in this war on disease. To use an Italian word it is an inferno.

I recently wrote to the Deputy-Mayor of London, who holds a brief for sustainable development, posing the question how the capital could sustain 10,000 new cases of autism a year, and I await an answer. Those reports that there are focus only on the shortage of diagnostic resources, not the presence of neurological breakdown in the population for which no one in public life has any explanation (and nor has Eindeker).

http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/10000-new-cases-of-autism-in-london-a-year-as-bureaucrats-plan-to-dump-children.html

Apart from rationing diagnosis the authorities seem to have no answer, but the position could well have deteriorated further by next year when the first wave of infants vaccinated with the new Men B vaccine begin to feed through into the system.

Laura Hayes

Eindeker,

I would take measles every single time over the MMR vaccine and resultant possibilities, including Autism, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, lifelong GI issues, type 1 diabetes, to name but a few.

I would also take naturally-induced, lifelong, permanent immunity to measles over having the MMR vaccine bypass the first half of my immune system, taint my blood, cross my blood-brain barrier, and destroy my immune and nervous systems, gut, and brain.

I would also want to contract measles in my childhood so that I could gain the many benefits of doing so, including lifetime immunity that could then be passed on in the womb and via breastfeeding to my future children, protection against and avoidance of many cancers both in childhood and adulthood, and the priming and strengthening of my immune system.

If only I had known these critically-important facts before allowing the dastardly and barbaric MMR for my children. Were I to be given a do-over, Eindeker, not only would there be no MMR vaccine allowed for any of my children, there wouldn't be any vaccine allowed, nor the vitamin K shot and antibiotic eye drops at birth, nor the other health-destroying pharmaceuticals that are now routinely given to children.

Also, with regard to the "measles outbreak" you mention, one must question how many of the cases are actually measles. See #2 of this previous article of mine:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/disney-measles-and-the-fantasyland-of-vaccine-perfection.html

And if you think 1,603 cases of something qualifies as a "raging outbreak", what do you make of the 80,000 cases, conservatively speaking, of autism diagnosed per year in just the U.S. alone? Concerned about those children and their families, Eindeker?

Lastly, just because an infection might be contagious, or even somewhat scary, does not mean the vaccine for it is safe, effective, needed, or wise.

Perhaps your compassion for the person who supposedly died from measles could be expanded to the millions grievously harmed and prematurely killed by vaccines.

John Stone

Eindeker

Frankly, this is not what it is about, is it? Apart from anything else 1603 reported cases is not 1603 confirmed cases (even you could trust the authorities making the confirmation, which you can't), in a population of >60m. And this is a usually minor disease. But what is at stake is the complete tyranny of the state over our bodies, with corrupt agencies, corrupt pharmaceutical companies and corrupt science. If no one calls halt, they will just go on adding more products claiming to hold the moral high ground all the time.

As I pointed out to the House of Commons Science & Technology Committee the number of measles related deaths from people contracting the disease in the United Kingdom since 1998 was three (including one which was due to complete medical negligence).

http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/my-correspondence-with-the-committee.html

Meanwhile, approximately 10 million people had died from general causes. I am not indifferent to people being sick and I am not indifferent to people dying, but there are real human costs to the war on infectious disease which are systematically not being counted. Instead we just get bullying and hatred. There is nothing inherently safe about the vaccine program, and it just gets less safe the more successful a country is at silencing dissent. If you intimidate people you don't have data.

rtp

Eindecker, the government should ban all vaccines as they are all useless and dangerous.

There are always a huge plethora of people with conditions that could be diagnosed as measles - ie a rash.

But most of the time they don't because most never see a doctor and the few that do typically don't get diagnosed as measles because doctors typically won't diagnose it in the vaccinated.

Sometimes a few people will be diagnosed with it and the media will hype it up as some deadly plague and the few who are stupid enough to trust doctors will follow their stupid treatments which may well kill and injure some of them. And some of them will have other health issues at the same time which harm them but the doctors will blame the measles virus instead.

In short, measles vaccine is useless. There is no evidence that measles virus has ever killed or injured a single person in history and the MMR causes a plethora of injuries.

But pro-vaxxers are all pathological liars who set a ridiculously high standard of evidence for vaccine injury/death and a ridiculously low standard of evidence for measles injury/death.

If we applied the same standard of evidence to vaccine injuries/deaths as pro-vaxxers do for measles injuries/deaths then it would be clear that vaccines have caused significant harm to hundreds of millions of people.

And if we used double-blind placebo (actual placebo that is) testing to determine the efficacy of the measles vaccine - which is the only valid measure - then we would see that the measles vaccine was exactly 100 per cent worthless.

Eindeker

So John, Pietro, Linda1 & Laura if you were the Italian health authorities precisely what would you do when there is a raging measles outbreak in a nearby country apparently fed by anti-MMR propaganda? http://www.examinus.org/en/romania-2017-a-real-life-example-of-what-happens-when-the-anti-vaxxers-win/
Italian disease stats are alarming health officials have reported 1603 measles cases since the beginning of the year through Apr. 16, according to the Ministero della Salute today. Italy reported 840 cases in all of 2016 and only 250 in 2015.
Of this total, 88 percent, or more than 1400 cases were unvaccinated. One third of the cases suffered with at least one complication to measles.

So I ask my question again Pietro, John, Linda & Laura what would you recommend for Italy in the face of an accelerating incidence of measles. FYI personally I don't favour compulsory vaccination, only accurate public information with the offer of catch up vaccine campaigns which, as was shown by the measles outbreak in S Wales a couple of years ago stopped it in its, tracks, it was just a great pity someone had to die following measles "to encourage the others" At that time I believe all John could offer was that he would have offered single vaccines.

John Stone

Hi Grace

I fear people only wake up when they realise it is going to be enforced. So far, the British establishment in its various manifestations has stepped back from that - they know that they have very high compliance and very ill-informed consent. Perhaps that's the bargain for the moment as autism diagnosis rises above 10%

http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/10000-new-cases-of-autism-in-london-a-year-as-bureaucrats-plan-to-dump-children.html

But Scotland always seems to me to be potentially an interesting theatre for discontent.

John

Pietro

Thanks for posting this. The shadow of GSK on our vaccination mandates is getting more and more obvious and blatant every day.

kws

Plenty of growth for GSK, especially when they sprinkle money around Italy and change laws.

Vaccines showed solid growth of 14 %, best segment in the company.
Vaccines were 4.6 billion in sales, 27.9 billion for the company. That's a lot of zero's.
Amazing 31 % cost/sales ratio leaves plenty of money for advertising, campaign contributions, executive compensation, and still post a profit.
Technically, they're not a US company as the article mentions. They're British, headquarters is in a place called Brentford, near London ? It really doesn't matter though, they do more business in the US than Europe and use ADRs for the NYSE.
Sir Andrew Witty made 6.8 million last year and is turning over the CEO reigns to one Emma Walmsley. If you went to school with her, let her know your child died after the DPT.
Advair, for COPD, appears to be their largest single product.
In sum, they're an evil earnings per share machine, Britain's version of Merck. yuk

Grace Green

Angus, do you think we could muster 15000 in Scotland, or the UK?

Laura Hayes

Linda1,

Your comment reminded me of an old article of mine:

"Vaccine Trafficking"

http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/02/vaccine-trafficking.html

Vaccine Trafficking proliferates by the day...in Italy, in Germany, here in the U.S...everywhere.

False scientists and reporters suck

So much for the false scientists say that the vaccine industry is not a growth market. It all sounds like a rather sinister new world order plan...

Angus Files

If everyone of the 15000 marching refuse they will have a problem implementing jail time.Power in numbers.

Pharma for Prison

MMR RIP

no-vac

Fascism was born in Italy under tutelage of Benito Mussolini. Now medical fascism grows in modern Italy, which is run by mafia. Italy and EU are doomed.

Linda1

Selling the children in exchange for economic development is human trafficking.

Linda1

Harvard MD,
We are in their declared Decade of Vaccines: 2010 - 2020. They have goals to meet.

Hans Hitten

Posted by: HarvardMD | June 19, 2017 at 08:17 AM

They want mothers to sacrifice their own children !

Benedetta

"Invest more than we earn" Now how is that?

HarvardMD

What a self-serving statement, no more jobs in Italy - "everyone has to make some sacrifices" - what is this referring to? Certainly not GSK and its upper management.

Certainly the public is told to bear "sacrifices" at the benefit of GSK: their right to informed consent and free choice, the overall health of all children impacted for life and many will pay the ultimate "sacrifice" with regressive autism, and in sad cases death.

Sanofi and France are plotting a similar deal, EU is looking like it is following a playbook! WHO's Agenda 2030?

Hans Hitten

DemocracyFascism in action .

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