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Offit and His Critics: Part 2

Offit_blogNOTE: We're bringing you this series, re-crafted for 2017,  by Richard P. Milner of Public Affairs Media during Autism Action Month. Dr. Paul Offit has led the charge against any and all in our community, doctors, scientists, parents, educators, film makers, who question vaccine safety.

By Richard P. Milner

TENPENNY:  Dr. Offit really should read the medical literature of all who contract the illness after the injection. Cases of measles, chickenpox, smallpox and probably others have been documented after vaccination. In addition, the antibodies induced by vaccination are not the same as antibodies that appear as the result of a natural infection. For example, it has been documented that the measles antibodies in breast milk do not have the same protective effect as antibodies from moms who (actually) had the measles infection.

The exception to this is the HiB vaccine; that is a cell wall antigen vaccine and has a very different mechanism of action as the other vaccines. That vaccine DID decrease the incidence of H. flu meningitis, H flu otitis and overall H flu disease. However, the trade off was not benign. We had an escalation of strep disease after the introduction of that vaccine.

Hence? We developed Prevnar, the vaccine for strep. We are now creating vacuums in the Strep “family” and more resistant, more virulent strep bugs are coming forth. In addition, with wiping out H Flu (gram negative) and Strep species (gram positive), now BIG BAD DEADLY BUGS are coming around including N. meningitides and MRSA staph infections. The CDC admits,   

“As a result of the widespread use of the HiB vaccine to control H.influenzae type b infections, Nisseria meningitidis has become the leading cause of bacterial meningitis in children and young adults.”

MMWR. Control of Meningococcal Disease
May 27, 2005 / 54(RR07);1-21

OFFIT:  It’s certainly true, actually, that I you look at diseases like Whooping Cough or even to a lesser extent Diphtheria, you started to see some decline as we got, you know, more san—better sanitation, better hygiene in our country.  But you didn’t start to see a dramatic decline and virtual elimination of those diseases until we introduced vaccines.

HUMPHRIES:  He is correct here with measles, chicken pox, mumps but he totally ignores the price paid and that the only reason we are not seeing big surges in adults yet is because the adults that had true immunity have not yet all died off. Once that happens and we only have vaccine immunity we will see problems which is why we are already seeing new recommendations for adults to get pertussis and MMR vaccines.  And chicken pox will be the same.

HALEY:  I would like to see the data he has to support this as I don’t think he is correct.  There were major drops in these illnesses before introduction of the appropriate vaccine and the introduction of the appropriate vaccine did not appear to cause, as he says ‘a dramatic decline’.



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OFFIT:  So what happens historically is when you increase immunization rates, the disease decreases. 

HUMPHRIES:  The thing Offit continuously denies is that the curves, in many cases, like scarlet fever and diphtheria, were declining before the vaccines and had we not begun vaccinating for diphtheria, which is a toxin-mediated disease we would have still seen a drop. Vaccine had little to do with the decline in these toxin-mediated diseases and nutrition and vitamin C had more to do with it.

I have written about this in my book. And in fact, that is OUR graph.  Look where the whooping cough vaccine came in and measles. But a word of caution is that this graph is only discussing mortality.  Not incidence. That is another story. 

Yes, with some diseases immunization has decreased the disease rates, but again, he overlooks the lack of research on long-term effects. And he totally over looks any other way to deal with these diseases. Think of how our ancestors dealt with measles. Now imagine how we can handle it in this day and age of better nutrition and access to medical care. And that the payoff of having measles 75-years plus of solid immunity is far better than the immunity from a vaccine, which is known to be associated with encephalitis and bowel disease. Well-documented studies [support this], not all by Wakefield.

Is this considered a success? http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/7/12-1830-f1.htm.   Is an increase in total numbers considered “success”?  Or are you on a roundabout of killing off the black rabbits, and having an invasion of red and grey ones because nature abhors a vacuum, and people have not yet understood that it’s the “soil” upon which a “plant” grows?  And even though there is a “decrease,” is this decrease simply achieved by throwing every antibiotic in the book [at it], so that then these patients join the clostridium difficile group who land up needing fecal transplants?

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TENPENNY:  When smallpox vaccination was introduced globally in the 1890s, the incidence rate of smallpox skyrocketed…including vaccine side effects such as the spread of syphilis. Polio mostly went away in Europe without mass vaccination.

The exception to this is the HiB vaccine; that is a cell wall antigen vaccine and has a very different mechanism of action than the other vaccines. That vaccine did decrease the incidence of H. flu meningitis, H flu otitis and overall H flu disease. However, the trade off was not benign. We had an escalation of strep disease after the introduction of that vaccine.

Hence? We developed Prevnar, the vaccine for strep. We are now creating vacuums in the Strep “family” and more resistant, more virulent strep bugs are coming forth. In addition, with wiping out H Flu (gram negative) and Strep species (gram positive), now BIG BAD DEADLY BUGS are coming around including N. meningitides and MRSA staph infections. The CDC admits,   

“As a result of the widespread use of the HiB vaccine to  control H.influenzae type b infections, Nisseria meningitidis has become the leading cause of bacterial meningitis in children and young adults.”

MMWR. Control of Meningococcal Disease
May 27, 2005 / 54(RR07);1-21

OFFIT:  When you decrease immunization rates, the disease increases.  And that’s happened again and again and again.  And it’s happening in our country now.  I mean, if you look, for example, in the first half of this year, we’ve had the biggest Measles outbreak we’ve had in the last twelve years. Why?  Because there are parents who are choosing not to vaccinate their children.  And so their measles has taken hold.

HUMPHRIES:  It is not necessarily just from parents refusing vaccines. I have already explained the dynamics changing because of the truly immune dying off, which changes herd immunity. Also there is always a discrepancy in the initial media projected case rate and the verified case rate.

I have looked a little deeper into the recent and recent past measles outbreaks in USA.

117 of 159 were unvaccinated. What does this say of herd immunity in the vaccinated?? When about 25% of those infected were vaccinated?? 

And notice how they word it:

"According to the CDC, one to three out of every 1,000 children in the United States who get measles will die from the disease, even with the best of care. Even if complications such as pneumonia and encephalitis aren't deadly, they can make children very sick; in 2011, nearly 40% of children under the age of 5 who got measles had to be treated in the hospital."

This implies that 1 to 3 of every 1000 who got it in 2011 died.  The hospitalizations are by and large a result of parents not knowing how to deal with it, doctors not understanding it, and fear through and through.  

Let's have a look at a recent outbreak:  "During January 1–August 24, 2013, a total of 159 cases were reported to CDC from 16 states and New York City (Figure 2). Patients ranged in age from 0 days to 61 years; 18 (11%) were aged <12 months, 40 (25%) were aged 1–4 years, 58 (36%) were aged 5–19 years, and 43 (27%) were aged ≥20 years. Among the 159 cases, 17 (11%) persons required hospitalization, including four patients diagnosed with pneumonia. No deaths were reported."

No deaths.  Pneumonia IMO could be prevented with proper management.  And a key question is how many of the 17 persons hospitalized for pneumonia were vaccinated?  It is a fact that in the past those who were vaccinated and got natural measles fared worse.  Now THAT would be good to know but CDC leaves that off. 

Snort.  "The index patient was an adult with unknown measles vaccination history who traveled to Indonesia."  How convenient to have unknown status.  How difficult would it be to ask? 

OFFIT:  There have been over 130 cases.  Ten percent of those children have been hospitalized, primarily with measles pneumonia.

HOOKER:  The reason that this case achieved notoriety was not due to the lack of vaccination, but due to the lack of any medical care given to these children whatsoever.  One article stated that only one child was admitted to a hospital.  Both churches involved in the “outbreak” rejected care outright, which is why the mortality rate was so high.

OFFIT:  So decrease immunization rates, these diseases come back.  It’s happened over and over and over again.  Hopefully it’s not a lesson we have to keep learning.

BLAYLOCK:  The death rate from these small, contained outbreaks (130 children is not a massive outbreak) was quite small and involved mostly chronically ill children and small babies. Also, half of the children in this latest outbreak had been vaccinated. Previous studies have shown that in such outbreaks as many as 99% of the affected children had been vaccinated. This was true, for example, in the 1985 outbreak in Corpus Christi, TX and the 1986 outbreak in Dane County, WI.  

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PART ONE

RM offitPaul Offit
has for many years been the go-to-guy whenever the mainstream media looks for a sound bite on vaccination.  By presenting him with no counter, they give the impression that he has no critics beyond a few “hysterical parents.”  However, in our research and investigation we found that he has many.

We interviewed Paul at his Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia office.  Then transcribed the interview, and sent it out to a few of his critics, whose credentials and comments on his statements follow below.

We also made a video, “Haley vs Offit: A Virtual Debate About Vaccines, The Greatest Medical Controversy Of Our Time,” viewable at publicaffairsmediainc.blogspot.com. 

At the site, we have studies supporting Haley, and a list of over 180 more studies showing the extreme dangers of Mercury, especially when combined with Aluminum, as in shots, and other heavy metals, such as Lead or Cadmium from the general environment.

We could find no credible studies in support of Offit.

We also have available “Haley vs Offit” subtitled in Spanish at YouTube.

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Dr. Paul Offit, MD, is the Maurice R. Hilleman Professor of Vaccinology and Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania, a chair funded by Merck & Co. He is also the Chief of the Division of Infectious Disease and Director of the Vaccine Information Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. Offit is a successful vaccine technician and an accomplished vaccine promoter.  His vaccine for diarrhea, RotaTeq is manufactured and distributed by Merck & Co., and its affiliates worldwide. 

He is co-author of the fifth edition of the medical textbook, Vaccines, together with over 130 scientific and general audience articles on vaccine issues. He appears frequently as a guest commentator on national radio, cable and broadcast television, while his writings are found in major US newspapers and magazines. 

He is author or co-author of several books, including Breaking the Antibiotic Habit, Vaccines: What You Should Know, The Cutter Incident: How America’s First Polio Vaccine Led to Today’s Growing Vaccine Crisis, Vaccinated: One Man's Quest to Defeat the World's Deadliest Diseases, and Autism's False Prophets: Bad Science, Risky Medicine, The Search for a Cure, and most recently, Deadly Choices: How the Anti-vaccination Movement threatens Us All.

Dr. Offit is a member of the Institute of Medicine (IOM), and a former member of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) at the CDC, which evaluates vaccines for CDC recommendation. These recommendations routinely become mandates approved by all US states and territories. Offit advocates for the complete elimination of all vaccine exemptions throughout the world.

He claims to have no conflict of interest regarding his patronage by Merck, his profits from one of their best-selling vaccines, and his services in clearing the way for its CDC recommendation during his membership on the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. 

RM Boyd Haley

Dr. Boyd Haley, PhD, is Emeritus Professor of Chemistry/Biochemistry in the Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky Markey Cancer Center.

In the past 23 years Dr. Haley has emphasized studies on the biochemistry of Alzheimer’s disease. His research in the biochemical aberrancies in Alzheimer’s disease also led to his identifying mercury toxicity as a major exacerbating factor, perhaps even a causal factor for this disease. He was one of the first to propose that the organic-mercury preservative, Thimerosal, in vaccines was the most likely toxic agent involved in Gulf War Syndrome and autism-related disorders.


RM Sherri TDr. Sherri J. Tenpenny, DO, is an osteopathic medical doctor from Cleveland, Ohio. Her board certification is in Emergency Medicine and Osteopathic Manual Medicine. At her integrative medical clinic she focuses on Allergy elimination, including treatment of children with asthma and allergies, as well as women’s health, using bio-identical hormones and breast thermography. Her clinic has restored the health of patients who have come from 38 states and 8 countries.

Dr. Tenpenny has been a guest on National TV talk shows and syndicated radio programs. She is a regular speaker at national and international seminars on topics ranging from iodine and breast health to vaccines and vaccination injury. She has also written two books, FOWL: Bird flu – it’s not what you think (what you need to know about flu shots) and Saying No to Vaccines: A Resource Guide for All Ages.

 

RM David ADavid M. Ayoub, M.D, received his medical degree from University of Illinois College of Medicine, Peoria, Illinois.  He did his residency in Diagnostic Radiology at Southern Illinois University School of Medicine Affiliated Hospitals, Springfield, Illinois. He is board certified in Diagnostic Radiology by the American Board of Radiology.

 

He is currently a Clinical Associate Professor
in the Department of Radiology at the Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
in Springfield, Illinois.  He is also director of Prairie Collaborative, Ltd, an Illinois not-for-profit organization in Springfield, Illinois, compiling and assessing peer-reviewed medical literature relating to autism.

 

RM Suzanne HDr. Suzanne Humphries, MD, is a conventionally educated medical doctor board certified in internal medicine and nephrology, who was a participant in the conventional hospital system from 1989 until 2011.  After leaving the hospital in good standing of her own volition in 2011, she has been furthering her research, lecturing in various parts of the world, writing books, and conducting her own private practice in Maine and Virginia.

She is the author of two books on vaccination: Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, And The Forgotten History, co-authored with Roman Bystrianyk, and Rising From The Dead.




RM Brian HBrian S. Hooker, PhD
, PE, is an Associate Professor of Biology at Simpson University in Redding, California, where he specializes in chemistry and biology coursework. Additionally, Hooker is the Senior Process Consultant at ARES Corporation, working closely on process design for the environment restoration industry. His design efforts focus on industrial biotechnology and chemical engineering principles.

Brian dedicated over 15 years as a bioengineer and the team leader for the High Throughput Biology Team and Operations Manager of the DOE Genomics: Genomes to Life (GTL) Center for Molecular and Cellular Systems at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL). Dr. Hooker managed applied plant and fungal molecular biology research projects at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, where systems biology researchers are focused on understanding gene and protein networks involved in individual cell signaling, communication between cells in communities, and cellular metabolic pathways.

In 1985, Dr. Hooker earned his Bachelor of Science degree in chemical engineering, from California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, California. He earned his Masters of Science degree in 1988 and his doctorate in 1990, both in biochemical engineering, from Washington State University, in Pullman, Washington.

Dr. Hooker has many accomplishments to his credit including: co-inventor for five patents, recipient of the Battelle Entrepreneurial Award in 2001, and a Federal Laboratory Consortium Recognition Award in 1999, for his work on “Reactive Transport in 3-Dimensions.” The breadth of Hooker’s 60 science and engineering papers have been published in internationally recognized, peer-reviewed journals.  He has a teenage son with autism.

RM Russell BDr. Russell Blaylock, MD, is a board certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, South Carolina. For the past 25 years he has practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice. He recently retired from both practices to devote full time to nutritional studies and research.

Dr. Blaylock has written four books: Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills (how they are related to diseases of the nervous system), Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life, Natural Strategies for Cancer Patients, and Cellular and Molecular Biology of Autism Spectrum Disorders. He has written major sections of three medical textbooks and has published over 30 scientific papers in peer-reviewed journals.

PART ONE

MILNER:  For example, if you saw a child with a concussion or you saw a child with some kind of brain injury, you wouldn’t treat that, would you?

OFFIT:  No, it’s—in other words, what I am director of treatment of infectious diseases here at Children’s Hospital Philadelphia and so what we do at—in the Infectious Disease division is we see children who are inpatients, who have severe or chronic or persistent or unknown infectious diseases, or we see children as outpatients who generally are referred by pediatricians in the community with an infectious disease that they’re having difficulty handling.

HALEY:  Dr. Offit has no training in toxicology or neurology, yet he feels it is okay for him to dismiss the potential toxicity of injecting thimerosal into infants on the day of birth, within the first 6 months of life.  This is quite arrogant.

 

OFFIT:  Vaccines are the best of two worlds.  What they do is they induce roughly the same immune response that are induced by natural infection without having to pay the price of natural infection.

HUMPHRIES:  I don’t believe the literature or the immunology supports this idea of “roughly” the same immune response. How could it? Any immunologist will tell you that the immune system is not a” rough” one. It involves finely orchestrated highly specific responses, so that the right target is hit at the right time, especially after being immunized naturally so that the future response is accurate, rapid and does not cause autoimmunity.

Now as for as his comment about vaccines doing the same thing as natural disease--that is easily refuted. For instance with the whooping cough bacteria you get a very different stimulation, intramuscular vs. inhaled which is exactly why an inhaled vaccine has been invented. 

With the currently used injection, you get a very limited array of specific responses to the toxins in the bacteria compared to the natural infection. Adenylate Cyclase Toxin is not in the vaccine, so you are totally inept to respond to that after injection because the fact of original antigenic sin or otherwise known as linked epitope suppression.  The immunity is faulty as a result of original antigenic sin:

from Cherry 2010:

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HUMPHRIES:  And the same applies to influenza vaccines and possibly others as well.  But whooping cough is a great example of how what he says here is simply rubbish. 

Yes, you pay a price for natural infection, but you get a great reward for it. And if you don’t get the natural infection you get vaccines cradle to grave. Many parents are opting for the infection because they know it is easily manageable with high doses of vitamin C and because they know antibiotics do not treat it and that the vaccine is not protective guarantee and carries risk.

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