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Linda1

The vet featured in this video, Dr. Robb, has a website www.protectthepets.com. Inside under "world expert speaks":

"Dear Dr Robb

I have been appalled to hear of your experiences after refusing to give a full dose of unnecessary vaccines to pets whilst in practice at a Banfield franchise.

Through Canine Health Concern, I have been campaigning to end unnecessary pet vaccination for the last 20 years. It was known in 1978, when Drs Ronald D Schultz and Tom R Philips were published in Kirks Veterinary Therapy, that once immune, dogs remain immune to viral disease for years or life. Fraud is defined in the UK as ‘obtaining a pecuniary advantage through deception’ and the veterinary vaccine industry has been obtaining a pecuniary advantage through deception for over 35 years. There is absolutely no scientific evidence to say that pets need annual shots and, as you have stated, over-vaccination can be harmful.

From the early 2000s, veterinary bodies in America (namely the American Animal Hospital Association, the American Veterinary Medical Association, the Australian Veterinary Association, and the World Small Animal Veterinary Association) have been stating that we should stop over-vaccinating our pets, and that vaccination can be harmful. Further, they have advocated titer testing to ascertain whether circulating antibodies are present. If so, revaccination is neither required nor beneficial. If antibodies are present, they simply cancel out the booster vaccine and no more immunity is provided.

Published scientific literature shows that vaccines can cause encephalitis (brain inflammation), epilepsy, behavioural changes, atopy and other allergies, autoimmune diseases such as arthritis, diabetes, autoimmune haemolytic anaemia, and even cancer and leukaemia. How bitter a loss when our beloved pets are killed by vaccines they didn’t even need.

My prayer is that your dreadful experiences, and your willingness to speak out, will contribute to the abolition of annual vaccination. You have our full support.

With kind regards

Catherine O’Driscoll

Author: What Vets Don’t Tell You About Vaccines, and Shock to the System."

 ciaparker

Lisa,
Cats have a low thirst drive, being built to get all their liquid from the animals they kill and eat. They will not drink enough water to get all they need if they eat dry food. More from Dr. Pierson on this:

"Water is an extremely important nutrient that contributes to overall health in every living creature. Couple this with the fact that cats do not have a very strong thirst drive when compared to other species, and you will understand why it is critical for them to ingest a water-rich diet. The cat's lack of a strong thirst drive leads to low-level, chronic dehydration when dry food makes up the bulk of their diet.

A cat's normal prey contains approximately 70 - 75 percent water. Dry foods only contain 7-10 percent water whereas canned foods contain approximately 78 percent water. Canned foods therefore more closely approximate the natural diet of the cat and are better suited to meet the cat�s water needs.

I hear the reader saying ".....but my cat drinks a lot of water so he must be getting enough!"

A cat consuming a predominantly dry-food diet does drink more water than a cat consuming a canned food diet, but in the end, when water from all sources is added together (what�s in their diet plus what they drink), the cat on dry food consumes approximately half the amount of water compared with a cat eating canned food. This is a crucial point when one considers how common kidney and bladder problems are in the cat.

Please keep in mind that when your cat starts eating a more appropriately hydrated diet of canned food, his urine output will increase significantly - often doubling - which is a very good thing for bladder health. Think of canned food as 'hosing out' down your cat's bladder several times each day."

 ciaparker

Lisa,

This is from Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkins website on diabetic cats. She wrote a wonderful book about cat care with a formula for evaluating the quality of canned cat food by punching carb, fat, and protein levels from the label into your calculator. Which I did when we first took in the abandoned cat we have now, Harley. I sat on the floor at the supermarket taking different brands and flavors off the shelf and analyzing them to get the ideal ratio.

"Let me say first that I am committed to the management technique known as “tight regulation.” This technique uses what we know about the causes of feline diabetes to reverse the processes that have caused the otherwise normal cat to develop this potentially life-threatening disease. In my hands, tight regulation can and does allow over 80% of diabetic cats to cease their dependence on insulin and become well again. As a veterinarian for almost 30 years, I have tried every technique known to veterinary medicine and can say with great confidence that this is the only one that works with this level of success.

There is nothing about tight regulation that is mysterious or difficult. As I say to my clients, the successful treatment of feline diabetes is not “rocket science.” Rather, it is a very logical approach to the known origins of the problem to which cats seem to respond extremely well, in every case. Even those few cats that do not become free from dependence on insulin become much healthier and happier cats with high quality of life.

As important as the proper management of feline diabetes is, it may be even more important that cat lovers learn to prevent this terrible disease in any cat with whom they ever share a home in the future. Diabetes in the cat is a man-made disease, which is completely preventable by avoiding the "kitty junk-food" that is dry kibbled cat food. Without question, it is the continuous, day-in, day-out consumption of this poor-quality, highly processed, carbohydrate rich "breakfast cereal for cats" that causes so many felines to become diabetic."

http://www.yourdiabeticcat.com/

 ciaparker

Lisa,
From Dr. Lisa Pierson's website catinfo.org. Each of the medical problems listed as caused by dry food is entered as a link to further explanations on the site. I'm sure you know that sugar in the bloodstream causes severe problems in those with diabetes, and can even cause it. Cats are obligate carnivores and were not made to eat any carbs at all. Their bodies have no idea what to do when they eat dry food, which is primarily corn or wheat, or rice for that matter in some brands, and it's broken down into simple sugars which then circulate in the bloodstream, wreaking havoc and eventually causing diabetes and/or kidney disease. I believe that over-vaccination can cause kidney or liver disease, cancer, or any of many autoimmune diseases, and people should definitely stop doing it. But I think that feeding dry food and just the natural aging process are usually what cause kidney disease.

"Diet is the brick and mortar of health. This web page lays out some often-ignored principles of feline nutrition and explains why cats have a better chance at optimal health if they are fed canned food (or a balanced homemade diet) instead of dry kibble.
Putting a little thought into what you feed your cat(s) can pay big dividends over their lifetime and very possibly help them avoid serious, painful, and costly illnesses. An increasing number of nutrition-savvy veterinarians, including board-certified veterinary internists, are now strongly recommending the feeding of canned food instead of dry kibble.
The three key negative issues associated with dry food are:
1) water content is too low
2) carbohydrate load is too high
3) type of protein – too high in plant-based versus animal-based proteins

Common medical problems associated with dry food
Diabetes
Kidney disease
Cystitis/Urethral blockage/Urinary tract infection/Crystals
Inflammatory Bowel Disease
Hairballs
Obesity
Hepatic Lipidosis (fatty liver disease)
Dental disease
Asthma
The safety of dry food"

 ciaparker

Lisa,

I didn't say that the distemper vaccine never caused kidney disease. I think it sometimes does. But I just looked at Lisa Pierson's site again, and she had an update saying that in the last year four of her cats died, between the ages of 18 and 20. (Our cat Felicio was nearly 21 when I had the vet come to the house to put him to sleep: his oral cancer was growing, inoperable, and painful, and his BUN and creatinine levels were rising so that he was going to die soon of kidney disease.) None of them had ever had a distemper, chlamydia, or calicivirus vaccine (usually given three in one). Three died of cancer and one of kidney disease. She is very cautious about vaccines and recommends the minimum. She also says you should not throw out the baby with the bathwater; if you refuse all vaccines, in pets that ever go out of the house, there is a risk of their getting the vaccine-preventable diseases, which in the past were common and deadly and are still often deadly when they occur. Parvo, rabies, and feline distemper are still common. As with people, you have to do a risk-benefit analysis.

Hans, were you commending me for my moderate position or yet again attempting to excoriate me as being a pro-vaccine maniac? I looked at the article you linked, and it said the rabies vaccine was both legally mandated and necessary, and that the other vaccines might be good if needed, that the danger was in over-vaccination (although obviously some would react severely to only one at any age). IF you were to be so good as to reread my comment, you would see that I said that over-vaccination was a great danger, and the yearly boosters were basically death-mongering. I said I thought two doses of the recombinant rabies vaccine were necessary for both dogs and cats. I said I thought two doses of the feline distemper vaccine were necessary for young kittens, and two each of canine distemper and parvo (at separate visits). So there is not a SINGLE point of disagreement between the article you linked and what I said. Did you read your article? Did you read my comment? Or just assuming that everything I say is a vile and criminal lie? Are you unaffected by seeing dogs, cats, and humans dying of rabies? Puppies and kittens agonizing from parvo or distemper (or the other VPDs for that matter, which I wouldn't recommend the shots for)?

Lisa,

Merial already makes recombinant, UN-adjuvanted vaccines for both cats and dogs for all the diseases mentioned. The cat line is called Purevax, the dog line something different. It's not that these vaccines are completely safe, but again, it's a risk-benefit thing. The live vaccines have dangers, and those adjuvanted with aluminum (or preserved with mercury in some cases) are dangerous. But as with humans, just the reaction of the immune system to the vaccine can be dangerous, and is unavoidable. And, again, kidney disease is something that occurs a lot in older animals, including humans. My great-grandfather died of kidney disease in 1918. Our guinea pig (at 6 years old) and rabbit (also 6) died of kidney disease, and neither had ever gotten any vaccine. Lisa Pierson had an unvaxxed cat die of kidney disease. I think pet owners should be very cautious about vaccines, but don't think they should categorically refuse all of them, unless it's a cat that literally never sets foot outdoors. It's extremely unlikely that two doses of the feline distemper vaccine at 9 and 16 weeks would cause kidney disease, but it's much more likely that the cat might pick up a severe or even fatal case of the disease when he was out and about. Although I recommend owners keep new kittens inside until eight months old to try to circumvent the danger of feline leukemia.

As with children, all pet owners should be aware of the dangers and frequency of both the diseases in their area and the vaccines, and then make their choice. But the diseases mentioned can cause extremely painful and cruel deaths, and were common before the vaccines.

Morag

Sit up and straighten yer cap's Dr's
Look at the impeccable -Best Practice Standards and unquestionable -Codes of Conduct on public display from this Vet
Look at the state of the other side of the organisational behaviour and dialogue.
Squinty facial expressions on public display that look capable of knocking their own lipstic sideways ?.
If that's organisational behaviour on display on a public display platform, I dread to think what it might be like in their own organisational cloakrooms?.
Initial Puppy vaccination schedule no problem at all. I would still get our dogs vaccinated as per vets recommendations .
Yearly boosters --Never again !
2 cairn terriers at 6yrs old both got yearly boosters same day one developed high temperature then febrile convulsions then status one seizure straight after another .
Diagnosed a week later with Granulomatosis Meningoencephalitis .
The dog only just survived the event due to a fantastic Taiwanese Vet Neurologist

Lisa

Furthermore, if vets really think that getting the distemper vaccine in the first four months of life is important for cats, they could simply demand that Merck make a new vaccine, this time without the use of kidney cells.

Denying that the distemper vaccine is causing kidney disease is not necessary.

Lisa

To CiaParker:

"Kidney disease is caused by dry food" is a MYTH that is being heavily promoted by vets and the vaccine industry. The published studies are out there. You can Google them for yourself. Kidney disease is caused DIRECTLY by the distemper vaccine. And the mechanism is clear: The distemper vaccine was manufactured with a line of kidney cells. As a result, now some cats are unable to distinguish between their own kidney cells and the kidney cells in the vaccine. And hence, they start attacking their OWN kidney cells. Kidney disease in cats is an AUTO-IMMUNE disease triggered directly by the distemper vaccine.

Furthermore, there is no mechanism by which cats eating dry food would increase their risk of kidney disease. This is actually quite a dumb argument. As long as they have plenty of water available to them, they would naturally drink more water when/if they are dehydrated. But again, this argument is being pushed by the industry that is actually causing all the kidney disease in order to distract us from the real cause.

Hans Litten

Posted by: Paul Thomas | March 07, 2017 at 09:39 AM

Bravo sir ! Wonderful


And for CIA and your rabies vaccine :
http://www.healthnutnews.com/veterinarian-speaks-presents-decades-research-linking-pet-deaths-vaccinations-met-laughter/

 ciaparker

I agree that puppies and kittens don't need any more vaccines once they reach the age of eight or nine months old. But distemper and parvo are devastating diseases to puppies or kittens, and I support giving them two shots for each: one at nine weeks (when maternal immunity is probably gone but not always) and another at sixteen weeks for certain protection. And then no more, ever. Recombinant rabies vaccine at six months for dogs and cats, the booster one year later, and then it's up to the owner. It's legally required, though probably not necessary.

But as for kidney disease, there was no kidney disease and no diabetes in cats until the introduction of dry food for cats around 1970. And that's EXTREMELY bad for cats. It has a lot of carbs which break down immediately into sugars in the cat's bloodstream, and eventually cause diabetes. It has no liquid, and cats get dehydrated eating it even if they have access to water to drink. Lisa Pierson (catinfo.org) and Elizabeth Hodgkins (who wrote a wonderful book on cat care) are certain that the modern epidemic of kidney disease and diabetes in cats is caused by dry food. They say cats do best eating raw food by hunting or by their owner's going to a lot of trouble to prepare it, but that if you can't do that, and I can't, they've seen many cats live happy, healthy lives eating just relatively cheap canned food like Frisky's or Nine Lives. But not the gravy flavors, which just add a lot of carbs to make a tasty sauce which is very bad for cats. Pierson feeds her cats Wellness chicken flavor, which is what I feed our cat.

I know how devastating kidney disease is. I gave our cat Felicio sub-Q fluid transfusions (Ringer's Lactate) every three days for the last three years of his life, and it really improved his quality of life, slowed down the deterioration. He had no vaccines for the last eight years of his life, one distemper when I first got him as an adult and one rabies shot in 2001, and he died in 2009 (put to sleep because of an oral cancer, not kidney disease). He had eaten half dry and half canned food. If I had it to do over again I wouldn't give him any dry food, but I didn't know then what I know now.

I agree that most people and most vets give animals far too many shots, and the yearly booster program is really just death-mongering. But I don't think vaccines are the only cause of disease and death. Diet plays a big role as well. A lot of people believe that dogs and cats can only be really healthy on a raw food diet, and I'd have to say that that may very well be true, but I can't provide one for our dog and cat.

Dr. Marty Goldstein says he has only seen one case of distemper in a dog in the last twenty years, a dog from Puerto Rico. He says canine hepatitis is gone as well, no need to give the adenovirus vaccine. Parvo, however, is still around, and it kills little puppies really fast. Our vet says she treats many cases of it every year here. Distemper is still around in cats, and it's also a really horrible disease which kills kittens quickly. And rabies is still around, especially if you live near wildlife, as we do, although it comes in outbreaks from time to time. The raccoons here get and die of distemper every summer, they can get either feline or canine distemper, and your dog or cat can catch them if they're exposed to raccoon poop or saliva. I saw raccoons dying of it when we got our puppy a year and a half ago (and again last summer, I put the nosode distemperinum in the water dishes outside and in the cat food I put out for a beautiful baby raccoon convulsing with distemper, hoping to treat him), and I didn't let her out in back for six months. I was also terrified of parvo and got scared when she sniffed at poop on the sidewalk. As scared as I am of vaccines, I felt relief when I got Polly the two distemper and two parvo shots. The vet ordered the brands recommended by Dr. Jean Dodds.

Lisa

The most common disease in cats now is kidney disease. It is widespread. My cat had it. She suffered for many years with it before succumbing to a horrible, painful death. (Yes, we should have put her down much earlier but we just couldn't; we kept trying everything we could think of to make her better.)

I learned after she died, through PUBLISHED RESEARCH, that the two most common causes of kidney disease in cats are 1) the distemper vaccine; and 2) tooth decay.

So there you have it.

Upon further inquiry I learned that if a kitten doesn't die of distemper in the first few months of her life, she is highly unlikely to suffer serious illness or death from distemper at any point thereafter. Hence, once she makes it through the first few months, there is no need to vaccinate against distemper. Yet, the vets give three distemper shots to kittens, and then re-vaccinate them against distemper every year throughout their lives.

Upon even further inquiry I learned that the distemper vaccine comes with component vaccines against several other typically benign bacteria and viruses.

So again, it is not just dangerous but utterly useless for most cats.

Bottom line: If you love your animals, stay away from vets.

Linda1

Dr. Paul,

Thank you for braving the highest road.

Susan

I guess vets aren't getting the $400.00 cash bonus from the vaccine company for each fully vaccinated pet...the way doctors do for each fully vaccinated child. It keeps them enthusiastic and willfully ignorant.

Paul Thomas

Want a healthy pet? Stay away from the vet.
Want a healthy child? Stay away from doctors. OOPs - I am a doctor! Pediatrician at that.

How about this? Ask your doctor is they will consider a no vaccine, avoid antibiotics and toxins, while eating organic approach. If they are good with that - probably OK to see them.

Bob Moffit

Where is PETA? Where are the millions outraged at animals being used for testing of various commercial products .. such as .. cosmetics?

Indeed .. where we the other members of that apparent assembly-type meeting? Why on 1 attending .. supported by 1 pharma representative?

When is this MADDNESS GOING TO END?????

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