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Former Oklahoma Epidemiologist Speaks Out Against Vaccine Mandates

JenniwhiteBy Anne Dachel

Jenni White is an epidemiologist, the numbers just don't make sense to her. She supports her position with facts. As she explains them, her concerns sound valid. The problem is, no one in the media is ever taken seriously if they have even an inkling of doubt about ANY ASPECT OF THE CURRENT VACCINE PROGRAM. She doesn't see a link between vaccines and autism, but she does challenge lots of claims about vaccines.

Of course there can be no consideration of the things she discusses. IF one thing is looked at with serious concern, the floodgate would burst, and they all known it.

Feb 27, 2017, The Federalist: How Vaccine Mandates Put Vulnerable People's Health And Lives At Risk

By Jenni White

Although I was conditioned to accept the Polio, MMR, and DPT vaccines, these  additions had always frustrated me. From 1997 to 1999, I was employed as an epidemiologist with the Oklahoma State Department of Health. During that time, the state was becoming convinced of the need to require Varicella and Hep A vaccinations for children.

We epidemiologists (in charge of studying disease outbreaks) often discussed the very rare percentages of children and/or adults experiencing severe reactions from either Varicella or Hep A (mainly the immunocompromised and elderly), and it made little sense to me that the state should suddenly decide to force vaccinations for these diseases on children as a necessity to attend school.

It still doesn’t—and here’s why....

White goes on to explain the fact that the incidence of the disease and number of disease deaths are so miniscule, they don't justify mandating the vaccines for a number of diseases we currently do.

And she worries about side effects. 

Is it really so outrageous to believe that the possible combinations from giving a child 50 doses of 14 different vaccines couldn’t cause health issues? Just the list of contraindications for today’s vaccines should generate at least some level of deep thought before offering up that thigh, arm, or hip to a syringe.

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Richard P. Milner

Lovely about the monkeys, Bob!

Sherri

I love Bob's analogy. I'm going to have to use that one.

david m burd

Cait, thanks for your proper interpretation of Jenni White's quote of "50 doses of 14 different vaccinations", followed by White's next paragraph as copied below. Clearly, White's question mark at the end means the 50 doses are indeed way too many. To better indicate her intent, White's sentence should start "Doesn't that seem a bit much?" followed by "especially ----- mortality rate."

White's (confusing) sentence:

"That doesn’t seem a bit much—especially for small children with new and developing immune systems? Especially when the newest recommendations contain vaccinations for illnesses that are neither highly infectious, nor have a high mortality rate?"

(This reminds me I must also improve my own writing!)

Han Litten

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39140836

Sleep problems mounting in children

What possibly could it be I wonder ? BBC liars

ldb

She doesn't see the link between Autism and other neurological disorders because she does not have complete information for epidemiology studies for many, many reasons. One reason is the flawed healthcare systems often do not put diagnoses in charts. I questioned this on my own son's chart in Group Health in Seattle (now Kaiser) and at that time there was not a "box" for autism. Not counted! Another reason is parents. They do not want a diagnoses put in their children's medical chart because of the stigma. I know there is HIPPA....but I believe that does not stop information from leaking, and parent know that to be true. I do... especially for the children that are high functioning. AND THIRD REASON, is the COVER-UP by CDC and Pharm Co.,who direct and institute mandates for doctors and the medical field to follow. Go to the schools if she wants a closer epidemiology study. A lot of kids are grown up... some out of the system...son born 1989 and grandson 1998. Are they going to be counted??

Anne McElroy Dachel

Thank you, Cait!

Sorry, I did misread that. I will correct it! What I really like about this piece is that she talks about a lot more than just the MMR or just thimerosal. There are so many questions raised about many aspects of vaccination.

Anne Dachel, Media

Rae

Good comment, Bob Moffit.

What you're talking about is the erasure of institutional memory. I witnessed it firsthand when I worked for a large university, interacting with many departments. When I first hired on, every department chair's front desk was occupied by a senior - usually female - aide (by whatever title: administrative associate, assistant, secretary etc.) who knew the ropes. These highly capable women had often been there for decades, through multiple administrations, and could be counted on to represent their respective offices with dignity and competence. By the time I left 15 years later, they were retiring, to be replaced not by qualified next-in-lines but by undergraduate work-study students, and their massive oak or metal desks stuffed with files by shiny conference tables with no drawers at all.

It's happening everywhere and it's deliberate. Fortunately there are still enough old timers around to educate the young ones before it's too late.

Kws

No disrespect taken.

Have a good weekend and be careful on those stairs.

....Monkeys

Benedetta

John Stone.
The shingles shot, is said to only work 50 percent of the time at age 50.
At age 60 it only works 40 percent of the time
At age 70 it only works 30 percent of the time
At age 80 it only works 20 percent of the time
At age 90 it only works 10 percent of the time
At age 100 it only - well it don't.

What if it never worked at all, they just said it did and for those that took it and came down with shingles anyway then they got themselves covered?

Rockefeller's snake oil selling Dad sure comes to my mind.

That DPT shot; later changing over to the DTaP Either type of this vaccine is what caused the initial health problems for my husband, my daughter, my son and myself.

We all are now conditioned to take the DPT vaccine. Yeah, I was, but after watching full fledged vaccine reactions soon after a vaccine, and you finally catching on what a vaccine injury looks like and can lead to - well that sure can get you unconditioned really fast.

John Stone

Bob

Remarkably we have never had a chicken pox vaccine in the UK and this is why:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/01/chickenpox-christmas-is-over-so-time-for-a-new-vaccine.html

We do now have shingles vaccine for the over 60s.

John

Bob Moffit

Jennie White writes:

"Relatedly, the CDC has confirmed a near doubling of the incidence of shingles since 1993 (shingles is a variant of the chicken pox virus). A current theory is that, because most children no longer get chicken pox, their parents no longer get an immunological boost from the disease and their immune system ‘forgets’ how to fight it. For anyone with shingles – this is a significant issue."

Just watched a nationally televised (Foxnews) advertisement by a law firm .. seeking individuals who contracted SHINGLES .. AFTER having received the Shingles vaccine .. as they may be due "compensation".

Knowing how hard it is for law firms to seek justified compensation in a hostile .. adversarial .. Vaccine Court ... I suspect this law firm has reason to believe there are significantly high NUMBERS of individuals who contracted Shingles after vaccination .. to win their case.

Cait from Canada

Anne, I think you misread something in White's article.

In the first paragraph you say: "Jenni White believes in vaccination. She thinks President Trump's comments linking vaccines to autism are 'dangerous'..."

In fact, the text in White's article that calls Trump's comments about vaccines being dangerous is in a quote from another author, Julie Kelly. Far from agreeing with Kelly, White takes her on in the next couple of paragraphs.

"It’s possible this writer doesn’t know that in 1995, the CDC recommended approximately 20 doses of 5 vaccinations from birth to 18 years of age, but by 2013, that number had expanded to 50 doses of 14 vaccinations from birth to 18.

"That doesn’t seem a bit much—especially for small children with new and developing immune systems? Especially when the newest recommendations contain vaccinations for illnesses that are neither highly infectious, nor have a high mortality rate?"


Bob Moffit

Jennie White article begins with:

"Several years ago, I began to recognize treadmills. Not the ones at the gym—I’m talking about lifestyle treadmills: the paths we take in life based upon well-established social and institutional norms. These are the paths we rarely question because, well, “everyone does it.”

Ah yes .. "lifestyle treadmills" .. which are "rarely questioned because "everyone does it"

How do "lifestyle treadmills" originate .. consider the following Psychology 101 - Behavior Experiment .. explanation:

You start with a cage containing four monkeys, and inside the cage you hang
a banana on a string, and then you place a set of stairs under the banana.
Before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana. You
then spray ALL the monkeys with cold water.
After a while, another monkey makes an attempt. As soon as he touches the
stairs, you spray ALL the monkeys with cold water. Pretty soon, when
another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to
prevent it.

Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it
with a new monkey.

The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his
shock, ALL of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another
attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will
be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original four monkeys, replacing it with a new
monkey. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous
newcomer takes part in the punishment - with enthusiasm -- because he is
now part of the "team."

Then, replace a third original monkey with a new monkey, followed by the
fourth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.

Now, the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not
permitted to climb the stairs. Neither do they know why they are
participating in the beating of the newest monkey. Having replaced all of
the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have ever been
sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, not one of the monkeys will try to
climb the stairway for the banana.

Why, you ask? BECAUSE IN THEIR MINDS, THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN:

This is how today's House and Senate operates, and this is why, from time
to time,

ALL of the monkeys need to be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME!

DISCLAIMER: This is meant as no disrespect to monkeys.

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