Jeff Piraro of Bizarro Cartoon Denies and Ridicules Vaccine Injury
Rush For The Bus: TV Sitcom in Development Featuring Adults with Autism

Dachel Wake Up: Google Snooze

Dachel Morning Wake UoHere's what's out on Google News. Notice that when "autism/vaccines" comes up, autism is nothing more than a passing reference.

Next month we'll again be told that having two percent of kids with autism is normal and acceptable. Parents just have to learn to live with it.

Everything's safe: GMOs, vaccines, and everything else corporate America throws at us. Anyone who disputes this...like Andrew "fraudulent 1998 study" Wakefield and Robert "vaccine skeptic" Kennedy, Jr. ... is not to be trusted because no one is allowed to question the science on anything.

OS News: Inside the internet's war on science

By Thom Holwerda

 Vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who says he's in touch with Trump about a "vaccine safety commission" recently announced a $100,000 "challenge" to prove their safety.

...Clearly, not vaccinating your children is child abuse and should be treated as such; not only does it endanger the lives of your own children, but also the lives of other children who may rely on herd immunity because they can't take vaccinations for proper medical reasons. The fact that these child abusers are this close to the president of the United States and the US government should send chills down the spine of every responsible parent.

As far as I'm concerned, any article talking about vaccine mandates/exemptions that does not inform readers that both vaccine makers and doctors have no liability for damage, is phony journalism. Any article that purports that vaccines "come with a small risk of side effects..." is fraudulent journalism. One to ten percent of vaccine injury is ever reported, and despite this, BILLIONS of dollars have been paid out for damages that included DEATH from vaccination. Sorry editorial board at the Post Bulletin, you're not telling the truth about vaccines.

Rochester MN Post Bulletin: Our View: Vaccine or exemption, the law's the law 

Ultimatums are risky. When someone draws a line in the sand and says, "Comply or face the consequences," there's a good chance that the person who drew the line will end up backing down, drawing a new line or simply giving in.

The Rochester Public Schools didn't do that last week, and we commend the district and school board for taking a firm stand in support of student vaccinations.

For two months, the school district had made repeated contacts with the families of more than 200 students whose vaccinations weren't up-to-date. Minnesota law mandates various vaccinations for children in grades K-12, and school districts are within their right to prohibit unvaccinated students from entering school buildings unless they have filed paperwork documenting a conscientious objection or medical exemption. ...

It's worth emphasizing that the Rochester School Board didn't force any students to be vaccinated. The Minnesota Department of Health website provides a form that parents can print, sign and have notarized to claim a conscientious objection to vaccines. Currently, 370 students attend Rochester Public Schools under that exemption. ...

For years, we've heard the rumors and pseudo-scientific studies linking vaccines to autism. No such link has ever been proven, but to some families, the fear is real. All vaccines come with a small risk of side effects, allergic reactions, etc., which is why we aren't asking for Minnesota to follow Mississippi's example.

Thirty cases of mumps among 9,000 students is an "outbreak." Notice that nowhere in this article are we told what the vaccination status is for the kids with mumps. Nice opportunity to promote vaccinations. Another opportunity to again trash Andrew Wakefield. (What would they do without him to demonize every time the subject of vaccination comes up?)

Chicago Tribune: Health officials urge parents to stay calm and immunize following mumps outbreak

By Karen Ann Cullotta

With an outbreak of mumps recently declared at northwest suburban Barrington High School, public health officials in Cook and Lake counties are urging parents to keep calm and ensure their children are immunized.

"We're reminding parents who might be fearful of or have gotten misinformation about vaccines that immunizing your children is the best way to protect them from many diseases, including mumps," said Deanna Durica, a spokeswoman for the Cook County Department of Public Health.

Durica is referring to the anti-vaccination movement in the country supported by some, who point to an often cited study, which also has been scientifically refuted, from British doctor Andrew Wakefield. He alleged there was a link between the children receiving the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. ...

But the exemptions are rare, including in areas around Barrington.

In Barrington School District 220, which enrolls roughly 9,000 students in pre-kindergarten through 12th grade, about 98 percent of the students are compliant with the state's immunization law, according to District 220 spokeswoman Morgan Delack. ...

While even those who have received the recommended two doses of the MMR vaccine may still contract the disease, they typically will experience much milder cases than those who have not been immunized, said Cody Meissner, M.D., a professor of pediatrics at Tufts University in Boston. 

The last thing you want is to be associated with "the discredited former doctor, Andrew Wakefield."

"Former doctor"? Maybe we'd trust this reporter if she actually told the truth. The General Medical Council did not have the power to take away Wakefield's medical degree. If Kat Lay doesn't know that, she's not very bright, despite writing for the UK Times. (Or she's writing what she's told for the UK Times.)

UK Times: Parents refuse to give children flu jab over safety fears 

Kat Lay, Health Correspondent

Parents are refusing to give their children the flu vaccination over worries about its safety, research has shown.

Experts said that fraudulent research by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield linking vaccines with autism could still be having an impact decades later.

Researchers from King’s College London found that two thirds of parents who did not vaccinate their child said that they were not convinced the vaccine had been tested enough to prove its safety. Twice as many parents who chose not to vaccinate had safety concerns compared with parents whose children did receive the vaccine.

According to Public Health England, uptake of the vaccine, given as a nasal spray, in children aged two to four dropped between 2014-15 and 2015-16. In the first year…

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ATSC

Cia,

Do you think we would have heard from public health officials that the MMR protects against SSPE if these 12 infants with "a febrile rash illness" (that might or might not have been measles) who later developed SSPE (or a clinically compatible illness) had never received a measles vaccine? (1)

To me the threat of SSPE is another scare tactic used to persuade parents to vaccinate their children, for parents are told that even if their children sail through measles without a problem, as the vast majority of us did, the menacing SSPE will still hang over their heads for thirty years.

I am glad I grew up at a time when childhood diseases were so common that parents and grandparents weren't in the least bit worried about them and I pity parents today who believe the CDC that measles kills 1-2 children in every 1000, and if measles didn't kill their children when they had the disease they still can't stop being fearful because the measles virus could still reactivate and kill them later....much later. Measles kills. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Line up and get your vaccine now!

It is not as if every infant infected by measles in infancy or early childhood is equally at risk from SSPE. Dr James Cherry tells us in the following article (2) that Asians are disproportionately affected by SSPE but says he doesn't know why. Could vitamin deficiency be responsible, do you think? Vitamins A, C and even D. (3)


(1) https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2016/webprogram/Paper56915.html
"Twelve (71%) cases had a clinical history of a febrile rash illness compatible with measles; all 12 had illness prior to 15 months of age and measles vaccination."

(2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/10/28/new-data-show-a-deadly-measles-complication-is-more-common-than-thought/?utm_term=.4d02a0327e46
New data shows a deadly measles complication is more common than thoughtBy Lena H. Sun October 28, 2016

"Asians are disproportionately affected by SSPE, Cherry said. He is not sure why but suspects the disorder could behave like some other diseases, such as influenza, which seem to hit Asians harder and cause higher mortality than other ethnic groups."

(3) http://www.nutraingredients.com/Suppliers2/Vitamin-D-deficiency-is-an-Asian-problem-too-despite-the-sun
Vitamin D deficiency is an Asian problem too (despite the sun) By Shane Starling, 13-Sep-2011

ATSC

Cia,

"Do you have any reason to believe that vaccination after natural measles is necessary to initiate SSPE.."

No I wouldn't say it's necessary because SSPE existed before the vaccine was introduced but at that time the disease was extremely rare. What has happened is that, according to this study of reports of this disease between 1988 and 1991 (1), there has been a huge increase in the incidence of SSPE - from 1 in 100,000 before the introduction of the measles vaccine to "1:1367 for children less than 5 years, and 1:609 for children less than 12 months at time of measles disease" and in all probability all of these children would have been vaccinated and received the combined MMR vaccine because there are no other vaccines for mumps and rubella. With lifetime immunity to measles these children wouldn't have needed the measles component of the vaccine - and I would consider vaccinating an already immune child to be dangerous. Poor little Holly Stavola springs to mind. (2) Because vaccines are almost always considered safe, I doubt that anyone has bothered to research the effects of vaccinating people already immune to any disease.

The other thing is that Merck's MMR vaccine insert lists SSPE under adverse reactions (3) and because the study didn't say how many brain biopsies were carried out or how often measles virus had been found and which type had been identified , no one can be sure that their brains had been infected with wild type measles virus and not by the the measles vaccine virus itself, or the measles vaccine could have triggered reactivation of the wild virus. Dr Andy Wakefield and Dr Suzanne Humphries talk about this @ approx 9:00 - 12.20 in the video I linked to earlier.(4)

Although it's true that I don't know what caused or triggered SSPE in the child who died, or if she would have lived if she had not been vaccinated, it is interesting that Dr Wakefield is familiar with similar cases.

(1) https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2016/webprogram/Paper56915.html
916. Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis: the Devastating Measles Complication is More Common than We Think

(2) http://hopefromholly.com/blog/

(3) https://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf

(4) https://www.facebook.com/wearevaxxed/videos/425718574442091/

 ciaparker

ATSC,

I just found this. Children who are under two when they have natural measles are the most likely to later get SSPE, probably because when they had measles their immune system had not developed enough to deal effectively with the measles virus. Ideally, women would get natural measles as children, the way everyone used to, and then breastfeed for at least two years.

Do you have any reason to believe that vaccination after natural measles is necessary to initiate SSPE, or are you just speaking based on your one personal experience, which did not establish if the SSPE might have occurred anyway whether vaxxed after the natural infection or not?

"Normally, the measles virus does not cause brain damage. But an abnormal immune response to measles or, possibly, certain mutant forms of the virus may cause severe illness and death. This response leads to brain inflammation (swelling and irritation) that may last for years.
SSPE has been reported in all parts of the world, but in western countries it is a rare disease.
Very few cases are seen in the U.S. since the nationwide measles vaccination program. SSPE tends to occur several years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness. Males are more often affected than females. The disease generally occurs in children and adolescents."

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001419.htm

"SSPE stands for subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and refers
specifically to a type of Encephalitis which can follow natural (wild)
measles virus infection. After the initial measles infection, the virus lies
passive in brain cells. It does not cause SSPE for several years
(average 6 years) when eventually an inflammatory response is
initiated against the infected cells. It is more common in children
younger than 2 years who have had primary measles infection,
although the condition (SSPE) manifests itself much later- older
children and adults."

http://www.encephalitis.info/files/5413/4012/7902/FS_004V1.pdf

 ciaparker

ATSC,
Could you provide your source for saying that SSPE only occurs in children who have been vaccinated for measles after having had natural measles? My understanding is that it usually occurs in a child who gets measles, but, whether from a defective form of the measles virus or for genetic reasons in the child (usually thought to be the former), the virus is never cleared but goes on to cause the SSPE several years after having had measles. There have been a few cases of SSPE in children who never got natural measles (at least no one noticed it), but only got the measles vaccine or the MMR, but those cases are rare.

ATSC

Cia,

"It looks like one in 600 babies under one year old who gets measles eventually gets the fatal SSPE. "

Only if they are subsequently vaccinated. So the answer to your question is to stop vaccinating children with MMR who've already had measles, the disease, and reintroduce the single rubella and mumps vaccines for those who want them.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/01/health/measles-vaccination-sspe-complication/
"This new study suggests that it could be more like one in 600 for infants who get the measles before they are vaccinated. "

Years ago, I knew of a girl who had measles as a baby and was then given the MR vaccine, and she died at 13 of SSPE. It is the measles vaccine that appears to reactivate wild measles virus and cause this disease.

 ciaparker

ATSC,

I said that it had been a big mistake to introduce the measles vaccine. But at this time, nearly 100% of Americans have received it, and women provide little or no protection to their infants either through placental immunity or breastfeeding. I hope that in the future people will stop giving their children the MMR and that most children will get all three of them as children, the girls before they get pregnant and may get rubella when it can result in birth defects.

So I agree that the fundamental problem is the vaccine. So now what? It looks like one in 600 babies under one year old who gets measles eventually gets the fatal SSPE. They would not have if their mothers had had natural immunity from having had measles. But this is going to be a problem, since for some years while everyone is getting natural measles, there will be a number of babies getting measles with many of them eventually dying of SSPE. I think people SHOULD refuse the MMR and the pertussis vaccine for their babies, but they must know that they'd better shelter them at home to try to prevent their getting the diseases when there is the greatest danger from them. I have a feeling that once that many infants started getting measles, one in 600 of them eventually dying of SSPE, a lot of people are going to choose getting the MMR at one year old.

What is your suggestion for preventing these deaths? They would only be a problem for thirty or forty years, until most mothers once again had natural immunity from getting measles and not having gotten the MMR. But thirty years is still a fairly long time.

ATSC

Cia,

"And a recent study showed that in infants who got measles before one, the SSPE rate is now one in 600."

IF the infants are vaccinated against measles after they've had the disease which is a crazy idea but with only the triple MMR vaccine available for vaccination against mumps and rubella there isn't an alternative. Prior to measles vaccination mothers were able to pass on their antibodies from natural infection to protect their babies for a year or more, protection that artificial immunisation can't provide. It's the vaccine itself that is responsible for these deaths.

"I just found this. In the measles outbreak in the US in 1989, there were 16,000 reported cases, with 75 deaths. Much higher than one in 10,000."

According to CDC's MMWR Current Trend Measles United States, 1989, only 24,8% of the clinically diagnosed and reported cases were serologically confirmed; they estimated that there were two to three times more cases than had been reported; and when more than 60% of clinically diagnosed measles cases after laboratory testing turn out to be measles look-alikes how could anyone know how many true cases of measles there were, or how many measles-associated deaths were actually caused by measles - deaths that might have been prevented with Vitamin A?

http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/24/2/125
Laboratory-confirmed cases


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001632.htm
MMWR - Current Trends Measles -- United States, 1989 and First 20 Weeks 1990

 ciaparker

I just found this. In the measles outbreak in the US in 1989, there were 16,000 reported cases, with 75 deaths. Much higher than one in 10,000. And a recent study showed that in infants who got measles before one, the SSPE rate is now one in 600. I still think that measles is usually mild and beneficial, but our children's health has declined, in large part from over-vaccination, in part from lack of maternal immunity that would protect them, and as a result the death rate from measles is much higher than it was even a few decades ago. Just something to take into consideration. It's a shame in the big picture that the measles vaccine was ever introduced.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2016/10/29/deadly-measles-complication-in-kids-more-common-than-thought-highlights-need-for-vax/#641e26606a2f

The disease had been considered so rare that fewer than 10 cases are reported in the United States each year, but the cases may be under-reported. Looking at California records alone, researchers found 17 cases from 1998 and 2016. The average age of SSPE diagnosis among those cases was 12.
"We've seen parents of the children who have gotten this devastating complication, they don't even have this disease on their radar," said lead author Dr. Kristen Wendorf, a pediatrician at UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital Oakland, who had worked to set vaccine policy at the California Department of Public Health. "We hope this encourages people to get vaccinated as soon as possible to avoid exposure."
In earlier studies, scientists believed the chances someone would get SSPE were one in 100,000, but research in Germany found that the infection rate could be one in 1,700 among children infected with measles before they turn 5.
This new study suggests that it could be more like one in 600 for infants who get the measles before they are vaccinated.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/health/measles-vaccination-sspe-complication/

 ciaparker

Barry and Gary,

I don't think it's warranted to say that the figures for deaths from measles in Romania just aren't true. In Africa measles mortality in its large malnourished populations is as high as 10%. That's why I asked about whether malnutrition is a significant factor in Romania and other countries in eastern Europe. It may be. It's also true that the death rate is higher in some outbreaks than in others: it was much higher than one in 10,000 in the US outbreak in 1989. SSPE incidence used to be rare, possibly something like one in a million, but it has become much more common in recent years. I"ll look it up, but it's become appallingly frequent in babies under one who get measles. Probably because their mothers don't have natural immunity from having gotten measles themselves, but it's still something to take into consideration.

I, like you, believe that it would be better for the vast majority to get natural measles as a child. But if most people stopped vaxxing, there WOULD be a certain number who died or were disabled by measles, and it would probably be a much higher rate than one in 10,000, at least until we returned to a healthier population which got far fewer vaccines.

annie

go Trump:

I think gun manufactures and nuclear weapon manufactures are exempt from liability; Just like vaccine manufacturers.

Go Offit!

annie

One of these days, climate changing affimasits are going to be embarrassed by vaccine injury denialists. Here's hoping that day comes soon.

Love you Anne! Thank You SO MUCH!!!!!

go Trump

Birgit,

I do not believe the nuclear power industry has any liability for anything. If something melts down and destroys the value of your home, you are simply out of luck.

The plutonium mess from Japan may not ever be contained and plutonium has a half-life of 24,000 years. One pound of plutonium consumed equally among every human on the planet would easily kill off everyone.

... they have not yet used plutonium as a vaccine preservative. It ranks above both mercury and lead however.

++++
......Is there any product anywhere outside of vaccines that has no product liability? Maybe the vaccine problem could be exposed by pointing out this uniquely vaccines-related situation.
Posted by: Birgit Calhoun

John Stone

Barry, I think the identification of measles is a deceptive matter as in this British report from c. 1997:

"London (Europe Today). – "97.5% of the times that British doctors diagnose measles they are wrong", says a publication of the Public Health Laboratory service. The mistake being made by National Health GP's was found when the services tested the saliva of more than 12,000 children who had been diagnosed as having measles. Roger Buttery, an adviser on transmissible diseases at the Cambridge and Huntingdon Health Department, said that the majority of doctors "say they can recognize measles a mile off, but we now know that this illness occurs only in 2.5% of the cases." Buttery says that doctors classify as measles, many other viruses that also cause spots. He found eight different viruses during the survey in East Anglia. One of them, parvovirus, gives symptoms similar to German measles. The reason for the high rate of error puzzled Buttery. "Doctors are neither vague nor careless," he said. The solution is to defer the diagnosis until more detailed information can be got. There are 5,000 to 6,000 cases of measles registered each year in the United Kingdom, but these findings now call most of them into doubt."

But also as Hera has pointed out Roumania is still a country with high infant mortality by European standards, and still a very impoverished country.

Barry

I think Hans is being a bit fanciful when it comes to the staffing of Outfake News but it is not at all clear who they are (or to put it more precisely where the money is coming from).

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A of A is the Daily Web "Newspaper" of the Autism Epidemic.

Wouldn't the clarification of such questions make for a very interesting future story?

Barry

Does anyone know what the reason is that the measles fatality rate is so high in Romania? 13 out of 2,165 is 6 in 1,000, or twenty to sixty times higher than the measles fatality rate in the UK in the '80s, which was one to three per 10,000 cases. How many of those who died were already immunocompromised, and what conditions did they have? We know that modern children are much less healthy than those in earlier generations, I think we need to look at the conditions which have degraded the health of so many children, making many unable to withstand even a mild disease like measles. I'll have to google it; I know the countries in Eastern Europe are poor, always have been, I'll have to see how many are malnourished. Is there any reason to believe that the virus in this outbreak is more virulent than usual?

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The only reason I can think of, is the one that Hans Litten zeroed in on below. Which is that this report simply isn't true.

I mean, most of us are old enough to know what measles looks like. And the reason most of us know, is that of us have had it at some point. And through the experience of having it, know full well that it's a benign disease that has little or no chance of killing anyone .

So for most people, just being told that 13 people have died from measles ( ..somewhere far far away, of course), is all they need to hear, to know that the bearers of such information are simply full of shit.

In this case, we know that's its being generated from a website that calls itself "outbreaknewstoday".

As a group, I think the one thing we all should understand, is that sometimes people lie.

John Stone

Eindeker

Well, first of all you are ducking what I said;

"It is a false argument, isn't it? Public health bangs on about infectious diseases meanwhile the child population becomes ever more disabled. There is an issue in public health and people like you don't want it discussed. The reality is that there is a trade-off, in which vaccines are not a magic solution but have human costs which public health does not count. The Department of Health in the UK published two surveys of child mental health in 1999 and 2004. These charted and increase in ASD of x5 between those born 1984-88 and 1994-1999. The rise was even worse than that because the children in the older group in the 1999 survey had had a lot longer to get a diagnosis than the younger group in the later survey."

Yes, I agree we lost the old DTP in 2004 - an inexscusable product by any standards -replaced by DTaP. However, we are also looking at the cumulative stacking of the schedule over a period. Soon after we got the 7 strain pneumococcal vaccine, later replaced by the 13 strain. We have have had flu vaccination for pregnant women (some with mercury), DTP for pregnant woment, rotavirus.

ATSC

Eindeker: ""If any of the deaths from measles are under the age of one they are likely victims of vaccination because their mothers failed to hand on antibodies." Jiminy Cricket John how on earth can you say that, it’s because of some unjustified nonsense destroying herd immunity, as normally protects these infants where % immunization cover is maintained "

This is fully explained here @ approx 4:20- 9:04
https://www.facebook.com/wearevaxxed/videos/425718574442091/


Gary Ogden

Eindeker: The mortality rate for measles in the years prior to the vaccine was actually about 1 in 10,000, mostly among children with either poor nutritional or health status, or other underlying conditions. Measles was a normal part of childhood, NOT A BIG DEAL, a mild disease everybody expected to get, and which has lifetime benefits for health. The SSPE rate, either from measles infection or measles vaccine is between 1 in 1 million and 1 in 10 million, a true rarity. We do not know the mortality rate from measles vaccine because all of our governments actually work for the pharmaceutical industry rather than the public, so they don't give enough of a damn to bother with post-marketing surveillance, but it may very well be higher. I wouldn't be surprised if it were. Perhaps you're too young to remember when chronically ill children were rare, and nobody had ever heard of autism, but I do. Because of our large brains, the human head barely fits through the birth canal. Thus, we are born far earlier in development than any other animal. The human brain does not complete its development for at least three years after birth, so assaulting it with pharmaceutical products during this time interrupts, sidetracks, and damages its development in some children. The thugs who are in charge of public health policy have not the slightest interest in determining which children might be at risk, but certainly the main reason Japan has a far lower rate of vaccine adverse events is that they don't vaccinate before age two. This cuts into profits, of course, which is why we don't do it here.

Jeannette Bishop

Re SSPE, some discussion here:

https://www.facebook.com/wearevaxxed/videos/425718574442091/

Why wasn't SSPE noted until after the use of measles vaccination?

Gary Ogden

david m burd: I should have listed autism as the number one infection-preventablr disease, but there are few, if any, published papers to list.

Denise Anderstrom Douglass

Thank you, A0A, Anne, John Stone, and Bob Moffit!

Gary Ogden

david m burd: Heart disease is the number one killer of both men and women in the Western world, so that is measles greatest benefit, but there are lots of others:
Malaria: PMID 2051525 and PMID 1449208
Allergies: PMID 16854347 and PMID 19255001
Non-breast cancer: PMID 9824838
Atopy: PMID 8667923
Epilepsy: PMID 15275699
Parkinson’s: PMID 4061437
Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis: PMID 7246137, PMID 72339, and PMID 3174483
Infantile Hodgkin’s disease: PMID 4574047
Psoriasic erythroderma: PMID 4245855
Psoriasis: PMID 13656632, PMID 13700553, and PMID 5383408
Is it any wonder our children are plagued with so many infection-preventable diseases?

 ciaparker

Eindeker,

Does anyone know what the reason is that the measles fatality rate is so high in Romania? 13 out of 2,165 is 6 in 1,000, or twenty to sixty times higher than the measles fatality rate in the UK in the '80s, which was one to three per 10,000 cases. How many of those who died were already immunocompromised, and what conditions did they have? We know that modern children are much less healthy than those in earlier generations, I think we need to look at the conditions which have degraded the health of so many children, making many unable to withstand even a mild disease like measles. I'll have to google it; I know the countries in Eastern Europe are poor, always have been, I'll have to see how many are malnourished. Is there any reason to believe that the virus in this outbreak is more virulent than usual?

The decision has to be left up to the parents, but that is a very high fatality rate.

Eindeker

Rebecca by messing with the natural balance that had been established between humans and the virus, what the "balance" that kills I in every 2000-3000 cases, leaves ten time that number with permanent neurological damage? Recent German evidence is now showing a much higher incidence of the brain wasting disease SSPE post measles, about the same order of magnitude as the acute deaths post infection, that's your idea of "balance"?
RTP same ol’ song Eh?? Now please explain how your idea works for babies too young to have been vaccinated, but of course it is all nonsense when diseases, such as bacterial meningitis, are diagnosed on laboratory findings from CSF samples as to the causative organism, (meningococcal serotype, or other organisms such as Haemophilus influenza) in these cases absolutely nothing to do with clinicians considering vaccination history.
John yet again you change the subject, but let’s address your comment with data from your own fair keyboard, ie the ASD statistics in Scotland that you quoted here http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/05/the-message-from-scotland-autism-up-in-schools-136-times-in-16-years-and-accelerating.html Autism Up In Schools 13.6 Times In 16 Years And Accelerating
Now John show me ANY association with English vaccination statistics (OK the statistics are from England and the ASD stats are from Scotland, but humour me, the Scots aren’t that different from the English, sorry Angus…) http://content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB14949/nhs-immu-stat-eng-2013-14-rep.pdf
During this time thiomersal has been removed from vaccinations in the UK, so where’s the effect of this in the Scottish stats? Apart from the “Wakefield effect” on MMR uptake the % coverage is essentially the same since 2011 is the same as pre-Wakefield, 1991-1998. So again John where can you show me any association between this vaccine and the Scottish ASD stats?
If any of the deaths from measles are under the age of one they are likely victims of vaccination because their mothers failed to hand on antibodies. Jiminy Cricket John how on earth can you say that, it’s because of some unjustified nonsense destroying herd immunity, as normally protects these infants where % immunization cover is maintained.
Hera in answer to you re Romania These cases are either laboratory-confirmed, or have an epidemiological link to a laboratory-confirmed case. and Ninety-six percent of cases were unvaccinated (n=2 958)
Last but not least Mr Litten PS know loads of people in Swansea\Mumbles , the measles outbreak was all a Pharma\media backed fraud . Everyone down there knew it . Oh so the dozens and dozens of people involved in compiling the report and controlling the outbreak http://www.wales .nhs.uk/sitesplus/888/news/29688 were all part of the “Pharma\media backed fraud”, obviously must be so if you say so…..

Angus Files

And whilst the pharma sugar coat the damage from vaccines here in the UK .The Pharma toys are thrown from the pharma prams if anyone ever uses the term compensation in relation to the VDPU and that the VDPU payment is that a one off PAYMENT and not compensation.

Looking Glass Time -comparison`s can be made when terror attacks that are answered by the anti-terrorist police but then the media go to great pains to tell us that no terrorist was involved in the attack. The media virtually fall over themselves to report the lorry in the i.e. Christmas attack in Duseldorf Germany, was licensed to a Polish driver. Only to discover, shortly afterwards, that he had been murdered in his cab by the Muslim terrorist at the wheel.

Soo its not vaccines that kill our babies guys and the doctors should not have been called the crimes scene police should have been called and the parents locked up as it was never vaccines.

Pandemrix/ narcolepsy below, it's about how the DWP has been applying the Vaccine Damage Payment Act 1979 to all claims down through the years irrespective of the vaccine involved. Pharma for Prison.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2017-03-08a.318.1&p=24853

MMR RIP

Morag

Sit up,Bucle up, Waken up ,and Wisen up.
In Sickness and in Health ,it says in the medicalised contract.
What's happened to their Codes of Conduct and Ethics?

Available to read online
The Philadelphia Journal of the Medical and Physical Sciences Volume 2
Sincere,solid ,Science does not need to rely on subjective personal opinions or Egoes the size of Ben Nevis.
It does not need a Sales and Marketing feeding frenzy costing rancid amounts of cash either.
Are there any unpurchased free thinking Scientists left to get those vaccine safety risk assessment studies translated into plain language format.
They have been totally scoped out anyway,some are in the line up to get scrubbed down with a wire brush and a bottle of Lysol.
It's an emergency "Shout" atragedy and an incomprehensible scale of a catastroiphe.
We are point blank refusing to be treated as some kind of poor we Typhoid Mary's either, so the sky can be any shade of blue going .The Science is neither sorted or settled, but as long as grass grows and water runs[ Sutherland Clearences]
We will never be sold a raspberry sitting on to of a pile of sheeps droppings ever again!

Birgit Calhoun

I there any product anywhere outside of vaccines that has no product liability? Maybe the vaccine problem could be exposed by pointing out this uniquely vaccines-related situation.

david m burd

Gary Ogden, Thanks! for your references showing the benefit of actual disease(s) over that of vaccines.

Hans, Appreciate your humor -- thanks also.

By the way, in an earlier comment several weeks ago, I documented the United Methodist Church over 10 years ago publicly took a strong stance against any mercury in any vaccines and extolled such to their church membership: 7+ million here in the U.S.; plus 5+ million elsewhere in the world.

So there's basis for optimism that many parents are not giving their babies flu shots in the U.S., and millions more around the world alerted to the wide variety of additional (other than for flu) mercury-toxic vaccines championed by the Gates Foundation - with hundreds of millions of doses shipped out to the Third World in multi-dose vials (with the Thimerosal Hg preservative) by the various vaccine manufacturers.

John Stone

Hera

Very interesting point about infant mortality in Roumania. If any of the deaths from measles are under the age of one they are likely victims of vaccination because their mothers failed to hand on antibodies.

rtp

So what Eindecker.

Doctors typically refuse to diagnose measles if the patient is vaccinated.

The higher proportion of unvaccinated with a diagnosis of measles is nothing more than a self fulfilling prophecy.

Shelley Tzorfas

Let's look at this in simple terms..2% of 9000 kids in the Rochester schools means that 180 of them might require an IEP, School Aides, might need speech, ot, physical therapy, special gluten free- peanut free lunches, special small school buses, daily visits to the school nurse and except for the high functioning ones-might need many of these services for the rest of their lives. Let's compare that with the 30 cases of mumps that can give the children a sore throat and some swelling for a few days.When they return to school they will not need IEP's, school Aides, Speech therapy, special buses and so on...
Most people do not know that the vaccine maker of the MMR had to prove that all components still work and they added rabbits blood to the testing so the Mumps portion would Appear to be viable. They got caught and a lawsuit against them has been pending for many years-while kids get injured from this vaccine. Lucky for them, their team of lawyers has Blocked the lawsuit but a judge put his foot down removing those blocks. In the interim the vaccine maker is pushing for mandatory vaccines in order for kids to go to school by LAW so that when people find out the vaccine does not work-it will be too late for them to do anything about it.

Jeannette Bishop

@Bill, Dr. Humphries and Dr. Wakefield (and most likely other researchers I'm not following so much) are talking about both about serotype replacement or shift--I hope that's correct usage of terminology--where other existing non-vaccine strains fill the void created by a vaccine and about vaccine escape mutants (I'm really not confident about terminology here) like in China where MMR uptake is essentially mandatory and they are seeing the measles virus adapt so the vaccine is less effective against it.

For anyone interested, invaluable discussion here between Laura Hayes and Shawn Siegel and less void of science than what Google promotes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpkyDYhoEI

Hera

Eindeker, re your Romanian statistics;
http://www.fondation-carrefour.org/content/combating-malnutrition-and-child-mortality-romania

From the article
Romania has the highest rate of infant mortality in the European Union: 11 children out of 1 000 die before their 1st birthday (2012 ).

I wonder how many of the 13 deaths ( population wide) that you attributed to measles should actually have been attributed to malnutrition? And how many of the dead were fully vaccinated? No figures seem available.

And as a follow up, I wonder how many unrecorded deaths and other forms of vaccine injury were caused by the MMR vaccine given to a malnourished population?

kws

Andrew Wakefield is a hero.
There are others - RFK, Bernie, Jenny, Robert, and the folks who run this website.

We know the truth.

Merck and their machine are pure evil and some garbage "study" from Denmark or Romania makes no difference.

Hans Litten

http://vaxxter.com/australia-now-refuses-to-treat-unvaccinated/

Australian children who are not up-to-date with their vaccines are being refused treatment.

I like this article greatly because I know from bitter personal experience , that it is only the vaccinated children who will need to go constantly to seek medical attention .
The unvaccinated children generally never need doctors or hospitals !

Poor old Aus"Jail"ia seems to under the Nazi-pharma yoke totally and completely .

Ted Kuntz

The latest decree from Orwell - "Illness is health."

Bill

As much as I'd love to create some bogus, but real-sounding "source" for this question, I have to claim ownership. Why have we heard nothing about the possibility of increased VACCINE-RESISTANT VIRUSES, like we have with "anti-biotic resistant bacteria"? If a bacteria can develop anti-biotic resistance, then why can't a virus develop vaccine-resistance? If that's so, then wouldn't selective vaccination be better than mass vaccination? RSVP?....

Rachel

Thank you John.

John Stone

I think Hans is being a bit fanciful when it comes to the staffing of Outfake News but it is not at all clear who they are (or to put it more precisely where the money is coming from).

Rebecca Lee

Endekar, it is true that there will be measles outbreaks if we stop vaccinating for measles. Andrew Wakefield said this himself, recently. He also pointed out that the MMR campaign is what has made this situation possible by messing with the natural balance that had been established between humans and the virus. Now we are going to have to be cautious in how we proceed. And when the truth comes out about how dangerous the MMR vaccine is, a lot of parents are going to outright refuse it.

Hans Litten

Love this website guys : Rachel Double-deker

Outbreak News Today Staff :
Colleen Boyle, MPH, Editor-in-Chief, Writer (aka liar)
Frank DeStefano, PhD(c), Writer
Paul Offit, M.Sc., Writer (Chief Propagandist)
Poul Thoresen, M.Sc., Writer & Treasurer
Julie Gerberding, Contributor (specialist in revolving doors)

And I believe their is a short list of applicants in case any vacancies occur .
Dr Rear Admiral Schuchat
Elizabeth Warren
Hillary BlueSky Clinton (I understand she is currently unexpectedly available right now today)

Gary Ogden

Corrected links I hope:
Full text: http://www.pubfacts.com/fulltext/26122188/Association-of-measles-and-mumps-with-cardiovascular-disease/
Good essay: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/07/31/measles-the-new-red-scare/
More info: http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Childhood-Diseases-Can-Be-Good-For-Your-Child/

Hans Litten

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I'm putting forward William Thompson's name ! He can write for this website !

The Vaccine Autism link cover up from 2001-2003 :
“OH MY GOD. I CANNOT BELIEVE WE DID WHAT WE DID. BUT WE DID. “

DR. WILLIAM THOMPSON, CDC SENIOR SCIENTIST & WHISTLEBLOWER

SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS SILENCE (Aug 2014)
Thompson makes highly explosive comments on the phone call:
“The CDC has put the [autism] research ten years behind. Because the CDC has not been transparent, we’ve missed ten years of research [on the autism-vaccine connection].”
“CDC is…they’re paralyzed. The whole system is paralyzed right now.”
“I have a boss who’s asking me to lie…if I’m forced to testify, I’m not gonna lie. I basically have stopped lying.”
“Really, what we need is for Congress to come in and say, ‘Give us the data and we’re gonna have an independent contractor do it,’ and bring in the autism advocates [who understand the vaccine-autism connection] and have them intimately involved in the studies.”
“I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism." —CDC Senior Vaccine Safety Scientist, Dr. William Thompson, through his lawyer, August 2014
“I have great shame now when I meet a family with kids with autism, because I have been a part of the problem."

https://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-scientist-we-scheduled-meeting-to-destroy-vaccine-autism-study-documents/
CDC Scientist: ‘We scheduled meeting to destroy vaccine-autism study documents’
The…co-authors…brought a big garbage can into the meeting room… [and put the documents]…into a huge garbage can. –CDC Senior Scientist Dr. William Thompson

Gary Ogden

And then we have this, from 2015:
Association of measles and mumps with cardiovascular disease: The Japan Collaborative Cohort Study
This was a huge cohort (40,000 men and 60,000 women), and the reduction in risk for heart disease and stroke was dramatic for those who had had both measles and mumps in childhood, and it showed that a higher number of infections was associated with a lower risk.
Full text link: pubfacts.com/fulltext/26122188/Association-of-measles-and-mumps-with-cardiovascular-disease-The-Japanese-Collaborative-Cohort-Study/
Good essay here: foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/07/31/measles-the-new-red-scare/
More info here: vaccineriskawareness.com/Childhood-Diseases-Can-Be-Good-For-Your-Child/
And from down under: https://avn.org.au/measles-overview/
The rate of CVD mortality in the U.S. is beginning to rise, as the first cohort to get MMR reaches their 40’s.
On another note, the Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary has been updated (1/6/17). Smallpox, with its African Green Monkey kidney cells has been added.
Link to package inserts here: fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm093833.htm
That clown from OS News, and all the rest of these pseudo-journalists are the real child abusers, and abusers of the public trust. And amazingly ignorant!

Hans Litten

Posted by: Rachel | March 10, 2017 at 05:58 AM

OutbreakNewsToday , got to love that website name , incredible .
Still laughing here .
Do you think the cdc might be behind that nonsense ? do you ?

Are you guys having a bit of trouble convincing the people's of the East into accepting mass vaccination , and are having to fake epidemics again ?
13 dead from measles - I'm sure !

Meanwhile back in the UK , the autistic population of a first world nation is anything up to 1M people
, nearly all mysteriously under the age of 25 . All disabled and maimed for the remainder of their lives and the BBC never ever mentions their existence . The BBC only ever repeats (although not so much anymore) the "safe and effective" mantra .

Unsafe & defective is the motto many of us now live by !

Linda1

"In Oceania a lessening in rations is announced as an increase. "

And in America increasing vaccines are announced as a decrease (the antigen nonsense).

Hans Litten

http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-03-09-missouri-takes-steps-to-ban-mercury-from-vaccines.html

State Representative Lynn Morris, hailing from Missouri, made waves earlier this year when she introduced a bill that would prohibit mercury and other metals from being used for any reason in vaccines administered in Missouri public health clinics. The bill, HB 331, would prevent adults and children from being injected with potentially harmful metals for any reason — even those metals used for “preservation” would not be permitted.

Rep. Morris has also introduced a second bill, HB 332, which would reportedly curb the use of vaccines which contain foreign human DNA. This bill would require that chicken pox and shingles vaccines doled out by Missouri health clinics to be free of human DNA contaminates. Both bills are a response to public health concerns about what is really in vaccines, and whether or not they’re safe.

-----------------------------------------
PS know loads of people in Swansea\Mumbles , the measles outbreak was all a Pharma\media
backed fraud . Everyone down there knew it .

John Stone

Rachel

http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/02/the-true-data-revealed-adult-autism-data-fabrication-in-the-united-kingdom-part-3.html

Hans Litten

"Don't know if I'm allowed to post anymore"

You shouldn't be !

Rachel

@John Stone - Do you have links to those surveys?

Thanks!

John Stone

Eindeker

It is a false argument, isn't it? Public health bangs on about infectious diseases meanwhile the child population becomes ever more disabled. There is an issue in public health and people like you don't want it discussed. The reality is that there is a trade-off, in which vaccines are not a magic solution but have human costs which public health does not count. The Department of Health in the UK published two surveys of child mental health in 1999 and 2004. These charted and increase in ASD of x5 between those born 1984-88 and 1994-1999. The rise was even worse than that because the children in the older group in the 1999 survey had had a lot longer to get a diagnosis than the younger group in the later survey.

But what happened next? You guessed it, the Department of Health stopped counting - no more surveys - in effect freezing the figure at just under 1% as it stood in 2004! Meanwhile the numbers continued to rise in schools, and no one has to answer. Probably, the Department of Health has no responsibility for anything anymore. When I enquired about something last year, they said it was entirely for Public Health England, so even the Secretary of State For Health does not have to answer. Magically, the system has become free of responsibility for anything it does. It is just perfect Eindeker, and now you can believe anything you want!

John Stone

Bob

Exactly what it is like is the figure of Emmanuel Goldstein in Orwell's 1984 - AW has been turned into the Emmanuel Goldstein of public health. There is no logic between saying x has been discredited (and made an official hate figure) and saying an entire class of industrial products are fit for use. The citizens of Oceania have increasingly rotten and impoverished lives but they all know who they have to hate, who they have to be daily outraged by. But it is not clear that Emmanuel Goldstein - if he ever existed - has any effect on their lives at all, except as a justification for policy. In Oceania a lessening in rations is announced as an increase. In our world the the increase in neurological impairment is announced as better awareness, and a humane triumph. Our liars are even cleverer!

John

Eindeker

As a follow up to answer the inevitable question
Infants <1 year old (n=549) and children 1–4 years old (n=1 247) made up the majority of cases. Ninety-six percent of cases were unvaccinated (n=2 958), 80 cases had received one dose of MCV and 33 had received two doses.
http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/27-02-2017-RRA-Measles-Romania,%20European%20Union%20countries.pdf

Eindeker

Don't know if I'm allowed to post anymore, but if you refer to the previous report of the Romanian measles outbreak it's horribly familiar to the outbreak in South Wales where the local press pushed the MMR/autism link & vaccination rates dropped. See http://outbreaknewstoday.com/romania-anti-vaxxer-movement-results-huge-measles-surge-2016/ "Romania saw 15 measles cases in 2015. Since 2016, this number has blown-up to 2,165, including 13 fatalities. This is largely due to bogus claims from anti-vaccination campaigns in the country
&
"Campaigns led by the Christian Orthodox Pro Vita Federation, author of the 2012 book “Vaccines: Prevention or Illness” Christei Todea-Gross and the Coalition for the Family have spread the anti-vaccination message through a number of outlets......This misinformation has resulted in vaccination rates in the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine falling from 95% of children in 2013 to 80% in 2016, and it continues to drop.

Bob Moffit

It is no accident .. that ANY conversation .. regarding "vaccines" .. MUST mention Dr Andrew Wakefield .. as quickly and often as possible .. a particularly despicable tactic .. that has been described by history as .. "waving the bloody shirt".

Origin and definition of "waving the bloody shirt":

BLOODY SHIRT was part of the expression "waving the bloody shirt," referring to a political ploy used in campaigns during the Reconstruction period, following the Civil War. This term described the attempts made by radical northern Republicans to defeat southern Democrats by using impassioned oratory about bloody sacrifice designed to keep alive the hatreds and prejudices of the Civil War period. During the most vehement attacks, in the campaigns of 1872 and 1876, orators would literally wave a bloody shirt to remind audiences of the Civil War casualties.

Hopefully .. someday Dr Wakefield's honorable name will be restored to it's rightful place in history .. and .. the NAMES of those who self-righteously defiled his honorable name .. as a "political ploy" .. to "keep alive the hatreds and prejudices of a corrupt and dangerous vaccine industry" .. will become known as "bloody shirts" themselves .. for the deliberately cruel damage THEY did to an honorable and courageous man.

Rachel

You missed this one:
http://outbreaknewstoday.com/romania-measles-outbreak-tops-3000-linked-eu-outbreaks-17562/

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