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Thumbs downBy Tim Welsh

I have never endured a more simplistic, ignorant, offensive and out of touch speech about Autism than I heard tonight. Professor Grandin spoke at a fundraiser for The Autism Society on the Campus of the University of Illinois in Urbana. Many groupies worshipped at the alter of Temple. They hung on every word as she spewed basically what when looking through today's lens was hate speech and bullying in my opinion.

We were transported back to the Leave it to Beaver years with tales about family Dinners, and Miss Manners classes to solve the Autism crisis. Dr. Grandin declared the age of video games and coddling parents caused our current situation. I was picturing this insult to parents as being similar to that of Psychiatrists labeling the refrigerator Mothers in the 1950s.

Only two brave souls were brave enough to broach the subject of causation. An older gentleman asked Temple "How is it that Autism has gone from 1 in 100,000 to 1 in 100?" Dr Grandin responded with stories about the weird people back in the day and now it is better Awareness. 

I was the other person to drill down more on the causation issue. I apologize because I did not live stream and video my question. I tried to relate back to a story she told earlier in the evening. She told us wolves in the wild learn from watching others but dogs fail this test because they have been supplied their food by humans. Even though I framed my question around her example of autism in animals. I was immediately booed by the audience. Temple said "There you have a Google scholar" I did stand my ground and followed up with "Was she aware about the #CDCwhistleblower, Dr Thompson top CDC and his revelation about the connection of Autism to MMR. Again loud boos rose from the audience. My blood pressure went through the roof. I still had to sit through the old school bus driver rail on Parents and praise Dr Grandin. He spent five minutes telling how bad the Parents were today. 

I have done much more studying than just "Google". We are in the midst of a health catastrophe. If you have questions I would love for you to watch the documentary VaxXed from cover up to catastrophe at www.vaxxed.com Hear parents testimony at www.vaxxed.us and see some of the links we have gathered at B1Less.com I will be sharing my opinion with the new executive director from the Autism Society. I will let you know how that goes. God Speed and God Bless @TannersDad Tim Welsh Health Advocate. 

Tanner's Dad is Contributing Editor to Age of Autism.

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Gayle,

I think the blame lies with the autism experts who allowed the highest-functioning Asperger autistics to speak at autism conferences and endorse their books to promote the idea that autism is a difference and not a disability. The Chris Wilson I mentioned earlier is not the Dr Christopher Wilson of the IOM Vaccine Safety Committee, hired by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, but is almost certain to be Dr Christopher Wilson - another PhD - who contributed a chapter to Aspies on Mental Health - Speaking for Ourselves by Luke Beardon. Twenty or so pages can be read at Amazon.

A distinction should have been made long ago between adults with mental illness who were highly verbal and may or may not have had autistic traits while growing up, and toddlers with severe language disorders and behavioural problems who become adults who don't have the ability to communicate their thoughts on their disability because they don't have the language, intelligence, self-awareness or mental maturity to do so. As we know, many of our children, now adults, even those with normal-range IQs are still watching the same Disney movies and children's cartoons over and over again and treasure their soft toys. If verbal, conversations revolve around trivia, they're not discussing their disability and what it means to them.

The conversation about Autism has been hijacked by the highest-functioning autistics who didn't think that Autism Speaks and other autism organisations spoke for them, but these organisations weren't set-up for them. They were not Aspergers Societies, they were Autism Societies set up by parents with life-time care of their children. Aspergers was added later because of the similarities. Adult-diagnosed Asperger-autistics were late-comers and had no right to speak against finding a cause or a cure for lower-functioning people on the spectrum, which quite obviously they never were.

Gayle

Temple Grandin does not have the same type of autism that my son and so many others people's children that I know have. The children and adults with autism, including my own son, can not go to college, can not live independently, can not write best selling books, can not give lectures on high functioning autism, can not appear all over the world talking about how happy they are that they are able to function to the point where you can't even tell if they indeed have autism. Maybe a few quirky behaviors, but that's about the extent of their autism. Autism Speaks and other organizations are doing terrible damage to our lower functioning children/adults who are not so fortunate and who in fact do desperately need research into a CURE for the vaccine damage that has prevented them from leading a normal life! I don't remember ever meeting or hearing about one person in my growing up years who was so severely affected by an autism diagnosis that required 24/7 supervision in a group home. The first I ever heard of autism was the movie Rain Man and never did I think my own son would be diagnosed with the same disorder two years later.

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How does Grandin know that video games and coddling parents caused the autism epidemic and not brain damage? After all she was diagnosed with brain damage at age 2 which was confirmed by MRI when she was 63. What is the difference between her and Kim Peek (Rainman) whose autism diagnosis was removed when it was discovered he had agenesis of the corpus callosum?

I don't know why Temple became the autism guru when she wasn't diagnosed with autism until she was in her 40s, presumably before her first book was published in 1986. I say 'presumably' because Lianne Holliday Willey's book Pretending to be Normal was published before she'd even received a diagnosis. Unfortunately, these people diagnosed in adulthood with their Ph.Ds and Ed.Ds think that their own experience of autism is the same for everyone else on the spectrum, that they alone are the experts, and that they give the lesser-able people with autism and children a voice. They're wrong.

Temple didn't suffer from a receptive language disorder, she understood everything that was said to her, and she learned to speak when she was three. This might be considered language-delayed by some but late-talking at two or three has never been considered a problem if the child could communicate effectively in other ways. Pointing, for instance which many children with autism can't do which is why they hand-lead to get the things they want.

If autism is as common today as it has always been, there must have been hundreds of thousands of people growing up with symptoms just like Grandin so where are they, and why, when autism has always been far more common in boys, are most autistic authors women with college degrees?

Why did doctors and pediatricians need to be taught about the condition in the 1990s when most of them had only heard about autism but had never actually met anyone with it? An autistic child's strange behaviour isn't something that anyone would miss.

Temple, like other adult autistics have done a lot of harm because they have changed the perception of autism. As a fellow author and reviewer of one of her many books on Amazon wrote, " it was Temple who "has transformed autism from being an unfortunate disability to being an enviable advantage that many of us would give anything to experience."

It was Temple who first suggested that Bill Gates and Einstein had autism.

It was Temple who said:
“What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool? You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and socialising and not getting anything done!”

"The first stone spear was probably invented by an Aspie who chipped away at rocks while the other people socialized around the campfire. Without autism traits we might still be living in caves.” "

It was Temple who contributed to Simon Baron-Cohen's paper "Is Asperger's Syndrome/High Functioning Autism necessarily a Disability?" in 1999. Who else did he ask for input? Three other successful people with degrees and employment, two married with children and at least three autistics out of the four diagnosed with autism or Aspergers in adulthood. Why were their credentials not included: Temple Grandin Ph.D, Lianne Holliday Willey Ed.D (if she'd been given her diagnosis by then), David Andrews M.Ed and Therese Joliffe Ph.D. Baron-Cohen thanked two other people for their contributions. Bridget Lindley who has turned out to be his wife and a lawyer, and the other person was Chris Wilson. Were they also high-functioning autistics or Aspies? Or was Chris Wilson the doctor mentioned in the following link because his input would be quite understandable at that time in history when vaccines were implicated in the cause of the rising epidemic of autism:

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-Center/Press-Releases/2010/08/Dr-Chris-Wilson-to-Head-Discovery-Team

Back to Temple Grandin. Where did she get the idea from that all cases of autism are genetic? Hers wasn't. Or that everyone with autism thinks in pictures, which they don't, and that they're talented at art, math, or music? It's just not true.

It doesn't surprise me that she was included in Time magazine’s '100 Most Influential People' in 2010 because she has been instrumental in changing the public perception of autism and feeding the neurodiversity movement.

I think the best things that Grandin ever said were:

“Label-locked thinking can affect treatment. For instance, I heard a doctor say about a kid with gastrointestinal issues, “Oh, he has autism. That’s the problem”­ and then he didn’t treat the GI problem.”

and...

"There's a regression at about 18 months or 2 years. That subgroup needs to be studied separately".

Temple Grandin and other vocal adult autistics, like Ari Ne'eman whose autism was missed by everyone until 1999 when he was 12 years old have done a lot of damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esNwyDkbm5s

Has anyone ever seen this despicable person who laughs at regression flap or pace, as he claims he does, or behave in any way autistic? What would a person who has always been highly verbal know about language delay?

As Andrea said: "There is a autism "type" that is very desirable for public consumption and autisms' image and it's not our kids' kind. This is where years and years of autism awareness has gotten us. "


Barry

Dr. Grandin declared the age of video games and coddling parents caused our current situation.

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So, did the great Dr. Grandin actually explain HOW video games, and over-coddling parents COULD cause a child to lose previously acquired language skills? Or to acquire debilitating OCD behaviors, that always seem to appear out of nowhere... at around 18 months ? Did she explain how the video games and over-coddling was causing the intestinal disbiosis, that's so commonly observed in autistic children?

What about families that have several children, but only one with an autism diagnosis? Does she think that only one of the children was singled out by the parents, to play video games and receive coddling? If not, does she explain why only one of those children developed autism??

Not that I really care what she thinks. Anyone who is 'struggling' through life with Phd, has no idea about what my son is going through.

Birgit Calhoun

I used to read ScienceBlogs during my as yet uneducated phase of life. I commented and read the comments. I found the commenters arrogant and the interpretation of what autism is simple-minded and the writers and readers very much imprisoned in their ivory towers. The response to one of my comments came from Paul Offit. I was amazed that he would "stoop" to my level. I knew at that point that ScienceBlogs lacks scientific curiosity and at that time had a propensity of making rude ad hominem comments. Now to the point: It is possible that Temple Grandin was intimidated by what these people are about. Ms. Grandin needs to make a living and she needs to keep knitting her doily of perfection. So, in order to maintain her standing among the "scientific elite" she has to keep her mouth shut when it comes to reasonable but "unacceptable" statements. I kind of know about the eye-rolling that goes along with my point of view. So, I kind of get it. She needs to foster her academic standing and leave out important things like causation.

Birgit Calhoun

On the other hand, if Temple Grandin acknowledged that toxins, like what's in vaccines or dental amalgam or pesticides or herbicides or in paint in your child's bedroom that still lurk years after they have been discontinued, she could picture her way into prevention and cures. I know that mercury toxicity behavior can be significantly improved upon or even cured if it gets done in a timely fashion. But if you go to Temple Grandin's lecture (you can watch her TED talk on YouTube) you as a parent come away with a hope that follows only her suggestions. It doesn't suggest any kind of chelation remedies. It does not tell a parent how important certain foods and supplements might be, you waste an inordinate amount of time with your child that has only limited success whereas certain chelation regimens actually are successful even though they take sometimes years. Mercury in the brain takes 20 years to maybe work its way out, but with help, it might only take 10 to 15 years or less when therapy starts early. I am not talking off the top of my head I have some experience. If the therapy against a toxin gets started right away there might not even be any significant signs of toxicity. Anyhow, I would like to see Temple Grandin expand her horizon.

Birgit Calhoun

The example of Temple Grandin's autism scues the meaning of autism toward something that can be overcome. It may be difficult, but if you work hard enough (look at me) the world is your oyster. What is not said is that most autism doesn't get cured with behavior therapy. If Temple Grandin had said at least one thing about toxins such as mercury used in dental amalgam and vaccines, which in her field would probably fall into her realm of expertise (she must know that animals behavior gets strange when toxins are involved), I would cheer for her. I would really like to cheer. But if the leaves out the most obvious cause for autism, I am disappointed and dismayed every time.

Aimee Doyle

Carolyn M -

You are absolutely right about TACA and NAA - neither of them has been co-opted by neurodiversity. I painted with too broad a brush in my comment.

I've haven't had much exposure to TACA - they started in California (I think) and didn't have a presence in Maryland until my son was an adolescent. I support NAA and have signed petitions and called my representatives and senators when they have sent out action alerts.

AutismGoAway

Has nobody heard the latest news?!!! They found the cause of autism! Peppa Pig. Seriously, They have done studies lately and have found that children who watch this cartoon (that has only been around a couple of years BTW) are more likely to develop autism. Research dollars put to good use!
All I can say is that Temple Grandin has been making money off the backs of sick kids for far too long and misinforming the world. I am so sick of therapists talking of all the wonderful things they have read in her books. She is not disabled and knows nothing about the kids who really are.

And ... Autism is not caused by video games or parents talking on cell phones too much. It's a PHYSICAL problem in the gut!

Carol

It's interesting that the problem with kids today is their parents' cell phone use. The nuns who taught me thought it was Mad magazine. My mother thought it was Elvis Presley until she heard Aretha Franklin. (Hoo boy!) Then the Beatles, long hair, tight pants. And of course they were controlled by Moscow, which now I guess might be considered a good thing....

Carolyn M

Aimee Doyle,

TACA has not yet been taken over by neurodiversity. The National Autism Association had not been taken over by neurodiversity either, the last time I looked at their website.

I agree with your opinion of Autism Speaks and the Autism Society of America; I also have a good opinion regarding Generation Rescue.

Linda1

Did you hear that Tim? 600 people approved Grandin's message, according to Teresa O' Connor, so according to her, your perspective doesn't count and isn't valid and you need to keep your opinion and your observations to yourself.

Thanks for your report and your continued bravery. Keep up the good work.

Heather

Tim- I love your courage but I think we also need to respect Temple for what she has worked hard to overcome. Her autism isn't the same as my sons but that doesn't discount her value. I feel her role in autism community is important I also feel your role is very important. Our children are many things and we should allow and welcome advocates from many perspectives. Again much love and respect for you, please keep doing what you are doing but maybe we should focus our energy elsewhere. I think we can disagree better.

Teresa O'Connor

There are many untrue statements in this post. Temple did not transport us back to the Leave it to Beaver years. She simply stated that children (those with and without autism) need to be taught manners and strategies. I have worked with children with autism for about 20 years and this is true regardless of how involved the child with autism is.

The older gentleman who asked a question simply was exploring the reason for the huge increase in autism. He has family members on the spectrum so I'm sorry to say he is not in your antivax camp.

You were NOT booed by the audience! I also do not recall you bringing up anything about Dr. Thompson as Temple told you to do more research and went on to the next question. So, NO, there were NOT more loud boos from the audience. There were NO boos from the audience.

Parenting has changed and I see it in both children with special needs and those without. Many parents are not parenting, but rather spending time with their faces buried in their phone while their children are left to fend for themselves and are not learning manners or morals and ethics.

I'm sorry you felt that her talk was one sided, but over 600 people were thrilled to have her present her perspective on autism. Her mother was told to institutionalize her when she was younger and she now has a PhD and a very successful life. I learned even more strategies to help me help the families and children I work with daily.

Both our conference and the benefit were successful due to the fact that out of over 600 people in attendance at both events there is only one unhappy person, you.

Wendy Frye

Tim, I wonder if she is protecting her celebrity status. If she took a very public stand Dr. Grandin very well may lose a ton of support and credibility. Just like Jenny did. But good on you, thanks for asking on behalf of our sons, daughters and selves.

Nancy

I felt the exact same way when I saw her speak. I wasn't brave enough to ask a question, because I knew she wouldn't have a reasonable answer.

nhokkanen

Cult of personality. Over the years a heroic mythos has arisen from Temple Grandin's many public appearances, books, movie and documentaries.

Grandin provides an admirable and much-desired example of multiple successes in life -- career, financial, social, travel -- much of what a person with autism, or their families, would want to achieve.

The earnest admirers of Grandin need to remember she's only one example, with specific and limited focuses of study. Like any of us, she is unlikely to be the single repository of all truth, especially regarding a topic out of her ouevre... with such unpleasant implications regarding public health officials and personal health damage.

Aimee Doyle

I feel that every autism organization (with the exception of Generation Rescue) has now been co-opted by the neurodiversity movement. I've watched the Autism Society of America and Autism Speaks both move toward autism acceptance rather than cure; even the Autism Research Institute - which I deeply admired when Bernie Rimland was in charge - appears to be going in that direction.

Cynthia Cournoyer

Full circle. 1960's blame the mothers. 1980's early intervention and behavior modification. 1990's diets and bio intervention. 2000's awareness. 2016 blame the mothers?

I guess that's progress! The aim and goal has always been to deflect from the obvious: Vaccines cause autism. Whether you want to attribute other co-factors or not, in the eyes of pro vaccinators, vaccines must remain innocent.

That is why we have a push to normalize autism. If you can't fix it and you can't blame the obvious, then you must make it a variation of "normal." Neuro tribing, better diagnosing, and the constant barrage highlighting the "positives" to having an autistic child, all work to try and soften the horrors that so many families experience. In order to do this, the university of Google must be vilified and prohibited because it might bring back the actual truth. The pro vaccinators cannot tolerate the truth.

It's too bad the pro vaccinators have to bend themselves into pretzels to avoid the truth. Maybe they need to bend themselves into a "circle."

Jeannette Bishop

"residue" not "residence" -- sorry if I'm making anyone queasy

Jeannette Bishop

Tim, thank you for trying to expand the conversation to where it needs to go!

In a way, I agree with Dr. Grandin in part. It would seem obvious we can't afford any significant coddling of our kids, since we (ok, not we exactly, but we societally generally) already spend so much on the coddling of false world-views of the integrity of various institutions propping up major shareholder driven industries that are heading us straight towards bankruptcy of resources, include the destruction of the health of U.S. children.

So then, we are also obviously in no position to teach by positive example, actually in no position overall to teach or maybe, frighteningly, even to be taught either (yes, I probably swallowed a bunch of neurotoxic residence from my dental work, irradiated increasingly to bits all night by the "smart" meters with my breakfast this morning, and so I'm not in much of a mood to be coddling...).

The sincere members of the ND community (to which I'm not sure Dr. Grandin identifies exactly) ought to try, if able, to consider that the principle of diversity will also apply to outcomes from medical exposures (including the essentially tripled vaccine schedule starting about 1989--why do all infants suddenly need to be "cured" with about 25 doses of vaccines in the first year of life now?) and other environmental exposures (wifi, glyphosate, and so on). IMO, they should build common ground over here in at least opposing vaccine mandates in order to prevent a precedent that might ultimately compromise their right to refuse any "cure" for their diversity.

susan

Thank you, Tim, for being so brave. It can't have been easy - but I totally agree with Bob's comment and I know I would be proud to 'ride home with you'

Linda1

"She told us wolves in the wild learn from watching others but dogs fail this test because they have been supplied their food by humans."

The only time that my dog puts his mouth on a weed is when he first observes me pulling them. He watches me and he tries to do the same thing. Grandin doesn't know what she's talking about. You can just imagine the nonsense that students have to go into debt to endure in her lectures.

Robin Miles-McLean

Hurling the "Dr. Google" insult just makes me blow a gasket!! "You found it on the internet" has become the new "conspiracy theory" red herring. What do you find "on the internet"? Well, guess what? EVERYTHING is on the internet! The CDC. FDA. EPA. The Mayo Clinic. The New York Times. The Washington Post. Actual vaccine inserts. The CDC's own presentations. Published, peer reviewed papers! I am trying to #bebrave and open the eyes of friends and family who only believe these mainstream sources. With a little time and determination I can show how craven and WRONG they are using their very own words! Google scholar indeed - and proud of it.

P.S. The booing stuff is horrible and creepy - really people?

Birgit Calhoun

She may have been autistic at one time. But last time I heard her speak I totally disbelieved that she could possibly still be autistic. She relates too well. And what's more she uses her claim of being autistic as an attention-getting device. She knows the claim of being autistic raises the curiosity and interest and makes her successful in promoting her presentations. I don't believe that autistic people are inclined to want to stand in front of a crowd and relate the way she does. Autistic people by definition hate relating.

She is a great speaker, but for her to use autism as a platform and not bring up why she thinks she is autistic makes her less than credible.

Twyla

Thank you for speaking the truth in a hostile environment! So frustrating!

Reader

She doesn't get it or more likely doesn't want to get it. Sorry you had to take that abuse. Free speech is disappearing these days if it doesn't fit the PC agenda.

Andrea

Crystal,

I swear I thought of saying she might be developing dementia. I hope not but from Tim's description of her speech she's completely forgotten things she has shared in the past.

But let's be honest. The advocacy groups are embracing the "neurotribes". Autism Speaks has abandoned finding a cure in their mission statement. Autism is here and here to stay- learn to live with it! Our kids the ones who's stories are told over and over through the Vaxxed movement don't exist! Autism Society had Steve Silberman keynote or closing address at their annual conference this year.

There is a autism "type" that is very desirable for public consumption and autisms' image and it's not our kids' kind. This is where years and years of autism awareness has gotten us.

Greg

Tim, at this stage in the game that we've become so berefit in accounting for the autism explosion outside of vaccine poisoning, whitewashing autism has become the order of the day. Not to mention, it suits the ego of the likes of Dr. Grandin, if not their pocketbooks.

And, speaking of whitewashing autism, I am not sure if many here noticed that Autism Speaks have now changed their mission statement to no longer seeking to cure autism. 'Suspiciously' they did not make much fanfare about this change on their site, and it was only brought to my attention from other sources. AS have now dove full body-tillt in the neurodiversity pool, seeing autism not so much as a disorder, but emanating from the autistic individual's trials in coping in a neurotypical world.

Yet, reading through their mission statement, they're still advocating early detection and treatment. Wait -- if they're still advocating early intervention for kids, teaching them to socialize better and not to flap their hands is this not cure? Are we not seeking to change these kids and defeat their autism?

Reading between the lines, what AS is really about is not stepping back from seeing to cure autism, but stepping back from seeking to prevent it. They just don't have the balls to say this, hence the secrecy and mixed messages.

benedetta

Grandin is what she is and logically she should have limited prospective on this whole issue.
But what about the crowd that was booing some one brave enough to stand up and ask a question, like Tim?

They like to be in Darkness - if I may once again bring up the song "Sound of Silence" Hello Darkness, my old friend, and how dare Tim disturb the sound of silence.

The attitude is so disturbing , infuriating, you wonder how they could possibly be so blind and want to remain that way;to the extent they won't even hear some one out with out booing? What is wrong with these people. I would never boo some one like Tim; even if I disagreed.

As a matter of fact, I have suffered a lot from speakers I have disagreed with, through out my life. I did not have the floor and that is called on top o every thing else respect for some one brave enough to stand up and speak.

Geesh.

Tom

I see this as a problem with most self-advocates that I have met. If they are high enough functioning to be self-advocates, ipso facto their autism is a far cry my son's autism. They can no more speak for my son than the man in the moon, yet even some of the autism organizations put these people on their boards and treat their opinions as gospel.

maurine meleck

She has always been like this. She speaks from her own perspective, that of a very high functioning person on the spectrum. I have never expected more from her and therefore, can never be disappointed. I doubt I would ever go to hear her speak because her perspective is so different from mine.

Crystal

Very sad, I've read some of her personal experience that was helpful to take a broader look at behavior. I don't feel she has the same autism as my son, and never have, but reading this new information she has spoken, it makes me feel either she is vulnerable to mainstream media, doctors, politics, etcetera, or she's developing dementia.

Science is pure.  People are corrupt

Science advances one funeral at a time.

Carolyn

It's interesting she's wavering again. I had a conversation with her and her mother about causation and health concerns. Once Dr. Grandin addressed diet for herself she realized it was beneficial.

I also feel there is a shaming transpiring against self advocates that discuss not only their own injuries, but medical interventions that address remediation of injury as well as overall wellness.

Lastly I would urge parents to think about being what is transpiring within the last five years in diagnosis. Technology is making a difference for some children and misdiagnosis is taking place for a small group of children who may have vaccine injury, but also brain development hampered by the use of technology. That can't be denied in some children. I'm seeing it daily also and what happens when parents try to remove those. Happened several times in the past week while I was traveling on planes. Yes, the misdiagnosis too is happening.

Don't throw Dr. Grandin under the bus though for one event. Try reaching out to her. She's discussed these things in the past and environmental concerns too. Perhaps relate animal vaccine injuries and deaths to what is transpiring with our children.

Thank you however for addressing this. I know I will be attempting to address it.

Gayle

I agree we must fight vaccine mandates and removal of exemptions and Hillary will continue with both to the disastrous result of more government standard of care dictation. I have read Temple's books and I am surprised that she is selling these outdated and ignorant falsehoods about autism. She is one of the lucky ones who went to college and now has a great career designing livestock equipment. I wish my son and the children of my friends were that "high functioning" to do the same. Thank you Tanner's dad for speaking out and not following along with the herd of people who are too afraid to challenge the status quo. God Bless you.

Zoey O'Toole

Temple, like the majority of other autistic self-advocates, cannot imagine what it is like to not be autistic, to see the big picture in shades of gray rather than the black-and-white details on the path before you. When it comes down to it, this kind of vision becomes a perfect example of the dangers inherent in such a narrow focus. We know how much she misses, but she has no clue.

zut

It seems that she has changed her mind.

https://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2013/04/15/temple-grandin-is-wrong-on-vaccines-and-autism/

Carol

So is it video games and coddling or is it better awareness? In the cases of regressive autism, don't most of the children regress around or before the age of two? I don't think we can blame video games; it must be all that coddling.

TruthAlways


What a disgrace... That is so ignorant. I suggest ignoring those types of debates/talks. There are now enough of us out here who know what is really going on with our children so living in the olden days of ignorance can be avoided. It will keep you healthier and some people will never change their outdated views.


benedetta

Sorry Tim;
I think she is a genius when it comes to livestock.
After that she has a kind of injury that can affect her perspective on things.
It takes a close family member that is observing when it comes to any injury to the brain.

When it comes to regulating video games or anything else some one is obsessing over; Grandin has only had to answer for herself alone.

Bob Moffit

Thank you Tanner's Dad .. I know it not easy to rise in an audience that will most likely be hostile to the questions you asked .. yet .. you none-the-less overcame that rational fear by "choosing the road less travelled" .. speaking up .. when I suspect there were more than a few in that audience that choose the far safer path .. by remaining SILENT in their seats.

Think about the long ride home .. I know I would much rather be sitting alongside Tanner's Dad .. who spoke TRUTH TO POWER .. than those others in the audience .. who remained silent out of FEAR.


Andrea

That's a shame she does not acknowledge the medical side of autism. The vaccine issue.

I sat next to her at a conference that had many different speakers on many different topics and it was a biomedical one and she was actively note taking.

I'm not a person who thinks I can learn a whole lot from someone like Temple Grandin about my nonverbal ill "autistic" son. Honestly, they couldn't be more different. Just because psychology says they can fit under the same label gives her no special insight into his struggles, our struggles. I really don't think they have the same "thing" at all. And there are no easy explanations or excuses for what has happened to all these kids in the last 30 yrs.

I agree Tim everyone should see Vaxxed. Tell you own story of your vaccine injured child. Or at least listen to some of them. Contact your reps and ask for CDC whistleblower to be subpoenaed. Join or start a medical freedom group in your area or state. Fight state vaccine mandates and removal of exemptions.

Temple Grandin doesn't know squat about any of that.

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