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AofA Red Logo Ayumi YamadaBy Dan Olmsted

'Bout spit up my ginger ale Monday night when I saw an ad from Hillary Clinton taking on Donald Trump for his arm-flapping imitation of a disabled reporter -- Trump claims he didn't remember the reporter and was just lampooning his excitedness, not his illness. 

The Hillary ad's mom said, "It's not uncommon for autistic kids to flap their hands," showing a teenage boy doing just that. "When I saw that [Trump], that was completely disqualifying. I'm a Republican, but this election is so much more than party. My son Max can't live in Trump world, so I'm crossing Party Lines and voting for Hillary. I don't always agree with her, but she's reasonable, she's smart, people can work with her to solve problems. I want to be able to tell kids that I did the right thing when it really mattered."

Oh gosh, well, where to start. Many AOA readers will regard the idea that Hillary is looking out for autistic kids as a canard, to use one of my favorite words for a lie, a fable, a hoary bit of nonsense. Without her resolute "sky is blue" defense of vaccines and her government-heavy intervention in children's health in the 1990s -- progressives always know what's best, and especially love hepping de chewdwen -- we might not have an epidemic to begin with, or at least we might have stopped it earlier, which would have really helped kids. Right now about a trillion dollars would be a nice round figure for the kind of help that's needed.

So yes, galling. But somehow I find even more annoying the elision of the reporter's disability, a joint abnormality, with autism. I mean, the mom didn't exactly say it was the same thing, and the point was kind of the same, but the idea was clearly left that Trump was mocking a child with autism. Which, again, is kind of maddening as his view that vaccines cause autism is exactly correct, and Hillary's claim that they don't is exactly wrong.

Is it any wonder we're going half mad this election season, or half of us are going mad and the other half are just mad, or whatever? Don't take advantage of autism, OK?

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Dan Olmsted is Editor of Age of Autism.

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Gayle

The presidential election is just days away and the new report about the Affordable Care Act is that the cost will be increasing by double digits! Hillary will continue with this disastrous policy and it will lead to mandatory vaccinations for everyone with the standard of care being dictated by the government. Trump has promised to overturn the Affordable Care Act if he is wins the election. I'm voting for Trump as our only hope of freedom of choice for the future.

Benedetta

Thanks Brigit for sharing -it was interesting.

Linda: Good Lord!

I wonder who Dan and Ethan is and what what day it was - that poor dears had to put up with vaccine silliness?

Linda1

From Wikileaks -

Clinton campaign email excerpt:
"Ethan, Dan and I spent more time than anyone would have liked dealing with this vaccine silliness today..."

From Clinton Fdn email:
"But particularly for second and third line drugs and for new drugs in the pipeline that are coming forward, our agreements with the big pharmaceutical companies are important. We are also doing agreements with the large pharmaceutical companies for vaccines and for TB and malaria drugs."

http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/wikileaks-releases-a-vote-for-clinton-is-a-vote-for-big-pharma-mandatory-vaccination

Birgit Calhoun

Benedetta! I was born and grew up in Germany. As a teenager I lived in Schleswig-Holstein which borders Denmark. We took the train for that field trip. By the way, we also visited a brewery, Carlsberg, and some of the students got drunk. There were absolutely no repercussions like there would have been in this country. It was considered a learning experience. Besides we were all at an age where drinking was permissible. I am sure that trip did not take as much time as your trip to DC. I went to a very small high school. As I remember we didn't have to pay for that trip. It was considered to be part of education in my last year of a public gymnasium (sort of like high school). This school was very small (350 student for 8 grades) but complete with many language courses (English, French, Latin, possibly Greek and Russian when there was demand) and all the math and science classes you'd ever need. In the area where I lived, there was no depression, no autism and the word was not known to me until I was much older. I just read that the autism rate in Germany is among the lowest in the world. That's of interest because Denmark has a really high autism rate. I just found that out. That fact may have to do with the German purity laws (first drink, later also food)that have been around for centuries (first instituted in Munich, Bavaria, in 1487). I think it was adopted all over Germany in 1906.

Benedetta

Birgit I did not know what you meant by tour, I was curious. I thought it meant - well I did not know for sure.
That sounds really fun and educational.
I am still curious that in high school you took a trip to Denmark. How did you go - by plane or ship?

We collected money all through grade school and high school so we all could take a trip to Washington D. C. and New York. My sister who was 8 years older than I - went by yellow school bus - My Mother a teacher went as chaperone.

The school always held a Fall festival with a Queen and King - and the class that collected the most money had their candidates/selected classmates made Queen and King. We all made lots of cupcakes to sale, lots of cake walks and on and on. OH, all the sugar and wheat I have consumed in my life - and now if I eat it : the bottom of my feet and heels hurt. I also get a migraine in the front of my forehead.>

All that work we did and when it came our senior year, our county consolidated, and the new school officials did not adhere to the old guard that thought travel was very important to education. So we did not get to go.

They let us have some of the money to rent the "Red Barn" part of Renfro Valley Bluegrass Music and Radio buildings. It was a big fat nothing - no fun at all and I learned that my friends with their boyfriends on our last night together were total bores. Yeap; No fun at all . I went home early.

Yeah, Chris Wallace and Brit Hume have both been around for ever on Fox News. They do have a lot of good reporters, and they also have a lot of opinion shows too. .

Even so it is hard to know the truth or the extent of the truth on any thing, unless you have experienced it or have friends that experience it.

I am getting my debates mixed up now. But Hillary in one of them said : That health care insurance they made sure that women did not pay more than men?

My daughter is paying a lot more than my son. She lies so easily that I think well I am wrong, or I don't understand what she meant. They both have the same stupid company too.


Go Trump!

I notice Wikipedia, one of the most biased news sources we know is all in for Hillary Clinton. If that wasn't scary enough this whole open border thing is pretty scary these days too. Just saw an article in Daily Mail showing adult males in 20's and 30's posing as children. One horrified mother who tried to do a good thing by fostering one of them found out the hard way.

Birgit Calhoun

Benedatta! Anderson Cooper is my least favorite news person. He is in other words one of the worst newsmen I know because of the Wakefield interview. But I watch people even when they don't say things I like. I know enough about Fox and the news they put out that I avoid them. Chris Wallace at the debate was a refreshing exception. He was the best moderator of all three. Things may be changing at Fox since they have news leadership.

Birgit Calhoun

Benedetta! I was interested in the news. I won a prize that consisted of seeing the way a newspaper was made, the printing presses and all the ins and out of how a newspaper is made. I mainly wanted to say that I was really interested in those things. my high school class took a week-long field trip to Denmark when I was 18 and one of the places we visited was the building where the Copenhagen paper was printed. I was class-speaker at the time, so I was involved in planning. I merely wanted to illustrate my interest in the news and how important it was to get it right. To me telling the truth in reporting is the most important function for a newspaper. One might say I can be obsessive about that. My grandparents always subscribed to two papers because it was important to get things not just from one source. I work at a library full time. So I have good access to all the reading material I'll ever need.

That does not make me all-knowing, but it gives me a certain amount of insight.

Birgit Calhoun

In the day of witch hunting there was very little the purported witch could do to get out of the punishment provided. Even the mother of Kepler was accused of being a witch and the great scientist had a very difficult time to keep her from being convicted. The standard knowledge was that when a witch was a witch there was just no defense against that. Galilei had to fight a similar battle against the tenets of religion and later Darwin, too. With vaccines it seems similar. The general opinion is so entrenched about the goodness of vaccines that it has come close to a religion. In order to change that quasi religious belief in the holiness of vaccines, it has to be knocked off its pedestal. How? I don't know. But sooner or later there has to be a tipping point at which vaccines are no longer called unsafe while they are at the same being hailed as safe by the medical profession and even much of the general population. Scientists have to wake up.

ATSC


"Clinton will definitely enforce nationwide mandatory vaccination as soon as she possibly can. There is no doubt about that. "

Agreed. I can imagine Clinton as a Special Master in the Vaccine Court saying, "Show me the evidence that vaccines damaged your child" and secretly laughing because she knows most petitioners can't provide the documentation or scientific medical evidence they need to prove their case. And why is that? Because medical professionals dismiss parental concerns and fail to write contemporaneous notes at the time of the vaccine reactions and therefore documentation is either non-existent or inadequate and the science of exactly how vaccines damage the brain is in its infancy. Even the cases that have been won and settled 'out of court' are sealed so that medical evidence that has been successfully used in the past to argue a case can't be used by other petitioners.

Most children don't have parents who are doctors and lawyers, they're everyday people who suddenly find that the people they trusted most with the lives of their children turn their backs on them when things go wrong. Like Kathy Shelton, parents who have been through this "court", know how corrupt the system is. A case cannot be proven if the required evidence is missing.

There is no doubt that Clinton, as a believer in vaccines, will introduce compulsory vaccination - and other countries are sure to follow suit.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/hillarys-road-democratic-nomination-22-photos/

“In my first century of life I have seen many incredible things,” she said. “a cure for polio.....the end of smallpox....."

She and other pro-vaxxers should read Dissolving Illusions.


"Trump cares a great deal more for children than Hillary ever would or could"

I can't see Trump defending a man whose brutal rape of a child left her in a coma for five days. I can't see him defending late-term and partial-birth abortions for pre-born children, whether healthy or deemed to be "defective". And I can't see him as an admirer of eugenecist Margaret Sanger.


Benedetta

@ATSC
Thanks for the hugs and words of encouragement. I needed the hug. And hugs back to you.
that was very kind of you.

Jeannette Bishop
How can I word this? When you demonize other people, it is the most venerable of our society that is most effected. I think that is the problem with the second and third generations of our immigrants that are Muslim. Their parents are stable, but there have been some recent problems with their children and I think there is a link between over vaccinating and mental illness with a religion that well there was a problem of inflamed sermons within the Mosque.

So here we have some one that knows what part of the population is vulnerable and willing to use them to insight violence against a opponent of the opposite party.

By the way -a couple of weeks ago, I woke up to the news that the Republican headquarters in North Carolina had been bombed.

Benedetta

Brigit:
I am not sure I know what you mean by a tour of a newspaper? But I know about delivering news papers. I use to Deliver the Lexington Herald all night long on Saturday night around the entire Lake Cumberland. It is the fifth largest manmade lake in the world.

I would read it too. It leaned also to the left, on political issues.

I had to laugh to myself when my neighbor that moved in from Mass. was being a snob. He said he had gone down to Rite Aid and asked for the New York Times ,and not only did they not have it, but they had never heard of it.

Of course not - that is too expensive in distribution, they have other ways to moving the news than with printing it off in New York and putting it in the airplane or truck and getting it to far away places. Plus people wants a newspaper with state and local news too.

Most people that reads the articles in the Lexington Herald, don't look at the author or where and who the author is working for -- I guess I do cause (snotty me was educated in science) But many of the Lexington Herald's articles are from writers of the Washington post or The New York Times.. I did not tell him that. My Mass. neighbor feels he is so much smarter, sophisticated, better educated, - than all of us around here. Why burst his bubble.?

Travel is a great educator. In that case my area is well educated. We live in the middle, we have family when 15 million people left years ago - living all over the United States.

I can't help to point that out. even if it is off point.

I too know a lot about Murdock from what I read. I don't know him personally, I have never seen him standing out in public with my own eyes.

All news is controlled I have read by SIX people in the entire world. Is that correct. If Murdock saw a niche to be filled and he purposely hired good newsmen that had right leanings - I don't understand why you don't listen to Fox. unless you have some thing personal against these news men.

I have something very personal against Anderson Cooper - I really dislike, mistrust him. I still listen to him every once in a while. But all while he is talking, I say to myself "Ahhhh , Cooper, what did you do with Wakefield - I don't trust you as the last word on any subject. "

Jeannette Bishop

http://canaryparty.org/commentary/canary-party-calls-investigations-claims-abusing-mentally-ill-democratic-operatives/

Linda1

Or put another way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZjhCFW-ins

Linda1

Put another way...

A vote for Hilary Clinton is a vote for Paul Offit,
Dorit Reiss,
Art Caplan,
Walter Orenstein,
Tom Frieden,
and the whole Vaccine Dinner Club.

Jeannette Bishop

How did Bill Clinton become a presidential candidate? Wasn't he vetted by his party or their financial backers? I think, now, he was, and found to be quite "good" enough, because he had enough of a record for some to feel confident he could be controlled and/or bought (the same goes IMO for most "Republican" candidates, the ones they weren't pretty confident would lose). Why didn't the corporate media vet Bill Clinton during the campaign (I personally thought they actually campaigned for him) in the way they are "vetting" Trump? Why didn't we (maybe because it was harder to do then)?

It's easier (not exactly easy, but easier) to, independently of the corporate media, vet candidates today. A discussion that IMO helps with the process somewhat if anyone is interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1U4VKrCksI

We want a president without a record that prevents him/her from being able to go against corporate/elitist/power broker (whatever) agendas instead of one backed by these, that doesn't have a history of activity around the globe that can be used to manipulate him/her the world over, don't we?

Vetting Hilary is pretty straightforward for me. I'm sure she won't buck the system which has been controlling those (if not installing their own drivers) at the wheel for some time. And globally she'll essentially continue the "Neo"-Con agenda.

With Trump, vetting seems harder...who is behind him (the corporate media pretty much is not..I've heard suggestion the mafia is--oh great! Maybe we have global mafia verses national mafia candidates?!?), do they want what he campaigns for, and how effectively can they implement any of it? Getting concessions with a "crazy" candidate (against whom Hillary might have a credible chance) allowed in the process because he would serve in overshadowing some better candidates but could never win the Republican primary, but then began been hinting at disclosure enough to be the one standing for this upcoming vote? When hopeful I think, maybe Trump's campaign is evidence that there are strong disagreements behind the scenes about staying the course?

But what course do they want instead? And can they protect their candidate and those close to him from assassination (IMO we're in a pretty tough situation)? I want a course that disempowers and somehow, rises above organized crime.

@ATSC

I must have switched my names around! Absolutely I believe and know in my heart that Trump cares a great deal more for children than Hillary ever would or could. Sorry for my "switch." I meant the complete opposite and yes, it is not surprising that Hillary would defend the rapist of a 12 YEAR OLD child. I think she would do anything for money. I personally only watch mainstream media to see what "they're" up to. Start looking at alternatives. They are out there.
Benedetta, I'm with you. I can't even handle hearing about Hillary as the preferred choice. It's just that hard now. Hugs to you.

Linda1

At the very beginning of this election cycle I came out strong against Trump because of his history and just from what my gut was telling me. But now, I still think he is no intellectual but he isn't a stupid man either. When criticized for his prior transgressions and shallow behavior, he says he has met so many people during this campaign. I think what he's trying to say is that he's grown immensely from the experience. I have a feeling that he's telling the truth, that his understanding of humanity and his heart has changed. It could be me romanticizing, but I do think it's possible, even probable that that is the case.

The thing is, my family cannot be vaccinated. Clinton will definitely enforce nationwide mandatory vaccination as soon as she possibly can. There is no doubt about that.

The bottom line is if Clinton is elected MY FAMILY WILL BE KILLED. That leaves me no choice. And even if I thought that my family could somehow endure the mandate, I would still do everything possible to keep her from winning the election for other families. When it is life or death, nothing else matters. It really is that simple.

Check out what Voices for Vaccines writes. They are connected to the CDC. Scroll down to "Vaccines and the Law Manual":
http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/tools/

Birgit Calhoun

It's generally accepted wisdom that journalists tend to be left leaning. Of course there are exceptions. But to talk specifically about Fox as being fair and balanced, is a bit of an exaggeration. I know quite a bit about Rupert Murdoch, and he would not be my choice example of fair and balanced. Rupert Murdoch has built a newspaper empire that has no equal. I have been a newspaper reader since the days when I had a paper route at around age 8. At around the same time I went one a tour of a German newspaper "Bremer Nachrichten". When I was 18 I went on a tour of a newspaper "The Berlingske Tidende" in Copenhagen. I also read a book "The Fourth Estate" by Jeffrey Archer which, by what I understand, is an account of the lives of two publishers one Robert Maxwell and the other Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch and Robert Maxwell have lead very interesting lives, but you can't call either of them exactly fair and balanced. Recently I read a book "Malcolm is a Little Unwell" by Malcolm Brabant a BBC foreign correspondent, who suffered a serious reaction to a yellow fever vaccine. You can see I am generally interested in the news, and even though I am not always right I do try. I have a general interest in the news, and it makes a lot of difference to me whether something is fair and balanced. It's a shame that the news media have not been as fair, especially to the autism community, but that has nothing to do with who is running for President.

Benedetta

Birgit;

I do have to tell you this.
For decades many Republicans and Conservatives have thought that all the news stations leaned heavily on the left - toward the Democrats. All of them.

But as all Billionaire are alike - they look for niches that the public needs to be filled and thus success.

So Murdock noticed this and created Fox

It is not suppose to lean heavily on the right - but be as they say fair and balanced.

And they do have a lot of Democratic leaning on the station, but they also have a lot of Republican leanings too. Shep Smith that gives the evening news leans very heavily on the LEFT>

So if you are watching all the stations except Fox then you are not really watching anything that has any opposing views to challenge you - make you think. Give it a good long try - after all it is not porno, and I don't think it will twist your mind around if your head is on straight.

Benedetta

Twyla;
I have admired you and loved you -- yes loved you for a long time. Thank you for telling me not to be mad at you - that you care. It makes me almost want to cry.

The same goes for Danchi.
You both can write and express yourselves - bring in good information - search through it and summarize it better than I ever could.

When it came to vaccinating my children I was so messed up; I trusted all of my education, my professors in college, even my supervisors at the Forest Service that insisted we all get a tetanus shot. The Doctors all. .

STill my instincts did come right up in my chest and throat - just like now.

I got to get off of here for a few days. I just cannot take other people opinions; on this matter. I get so upset, I get that feeling again in my throat and chest. I think it kind of resembles fear.

I will try to get ahold of myself and put faith where it is suppose to be and that is in God. And according to the Bible it don't turn out well no matter what we do anyway. Fatalistic view might be just the better way to live. Except --a recent article on here did say that if you get vaccines at the local drug store - they don't keep records.

You know - I think we got all of our vaccines at the local drug store and am up to date. Will that work if I by some miracle have a grandchild?


Carolyn M

Having social services and supports available for our injured children is meaningless if in order to obtain these services and supports our children have to be fully vaccinated.

ATSC


@Cait from Canada: "(Hillary is) more concerned about your children and grandchildren than Trump will ever be."

Hillary Clinton didn't show any concern or compassion for 12-year-old rape victim Kathy Shelton:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-4djseLR7Y

Mike

When is the last time Trump mentioned anything on vaccines and autism? Surely there is a better spokesperson and advocate for the cause that this narcissistic jackoff. We lose all credibility getting behind crazy people like Trump and Alex Jones.

There, maybe this comment won't get censored.

Hans Litten

The science is clear: The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork. Let’s protect all our kids.#GrandmothersKnowBest
Scientific American:
My opponent in this race has consistently discounted scientific findings, from his comments about vaccines to his claim that climate change is a hoax. These dangerous positions not only put Americans at risk, but can have long term impacts on our country’s growth and productivity.
As president, I will work closely with the talented physicians, nurses, and scientists in our US Public Health Service to speak out and educate parents about vaccines, focusing on their extraordinary track record in saving lives and pointing out the dangers of not vaccinating our children.
In a videotaped discussion, exonerated British doctor Andrew Wakefield had this to say on the presidential election between Donald Trump and Crooked Hillary:
For me, this is a one-issue election. That is the future of this country invested in its children, and if we have mandatory vaccination in this country, in this state as they have in California, then it’s all over. And we will achieve that objective by 2032 of 1 in 2 children with autism. There is one person – whatever else you may think about him – who has expressed the fact that he knows that vaccines cause autism, that vaccine damage is real, and this is an issue that will never in his mind lead to mandatory vaccination either statewide or stateswide. Now I had the privilege of meeting him the other day to discuss this precise issue, and he is on our side. Whatever else you may think, I want you to bear that in mind. I’m not going to tell you how to vote; you are free-thinking Americans. But I will say is that we will not get a second chance. Within two years, I would say, of Hillary Clinton getting in – if she gets in – there will be mandatory adult and child vaccination across the entire country.

Twyla

Benedetta, it's not that I'm waiting for a Democrat. This isn't about party politics. It's just that I have no confidence in Trump.

And yes, Hillary Clinton has been sighted with Richard Pan. She's been sighted with lots of people. She's reaching out to many groups seeking endorsements and votes, including Asian-Americans.

Asian American and Pacific Islander Elected Officials from Across California Endorse Hillary Clinton for President
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/h/2016-05-14-california-aapi-leaders-endorse/

Hillary Clinton stumps for Asian American votes in SoCal
http://www.elections.ap.org/content/hillary-clinton-stumps-asian-american-votes-socal

Hillary Clinton to Open Asian-American Outreach Effort in California
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/07/hillary-clinton-to-open-asian-american-outreach-effort-in-california/

https://www.willhillarywin.com/tagged/asian/

Please don't be mad at me Benedetta. I just can't support that racist, sexist, ignorant, narcissistic, hostile, temperamental conman who is full of hot air but has a history of scams, bankruptcies, and harassing behaviors, and no record of constructive accomplishments or service to humankind.

Reader

Benedetta, I'm with you. Hillary is the worst, most corrupt candidate ever. Go Trump!

Carolyn M

I agree with Benedetta 100%.

This discussion of the 2016 presidential candidates greatly resembles that of the 2008 presidential race. Some here were completely convinced that Barack Obama "cared" about our children and that he would be "the autism President". How did that work out? It certainly did not work out for me or my severely autistic daughter.

Now some commenters are ignoring Hillary Clinton's statements concerning vaccines. Her statements on vaccines in her answers to the Scientific American questions on public health, global challenges, regulations, and vaccination use very strong language in favor of vaccines (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-do-the-presidential-candidates-know-about-science). Paul Offit would be very happy to read her answers.

One of Hillary Clinton's proposals is the creation of a "Public Health Rapid Response Fund". She envisions it as an ongoing fund with a stable budget, and has stated that it would be used to "quickly and aggressively respond to major public health crises and pandemics".

Given the CDC's recent proposed change in regulations - to give themselves the ability to detain people for 72 hours upon suspicion of those individuals being in a "pre-communicable" state, and possibly force medical treatment upon those individuals - I do not favor the creation of this fund. This "Rapid Response Fund" might be used as a funding source for the CDC to implement their plan, in the event the regulation change became a reality, whether or not Mrs. Clinton intended it for this purpose.

Before leaving the subject of the candidates' views on vaccination, here is a review:

Hillary Clinton is very strongly pro-vaccination.

Donald a Trump had stated that vaccines cause autism years before he entered the presidential race and is against the current CDC schedule. Andrew Wakefield has stated that Trump is on our side.

Now to briefly move on to a non-vaccination subject.

Read Sharyl Attkisson's column: "The Clearest (No Spin) Summary of FBI Report on Hillary Clinton Email", September 30, 2016. (https://sharylattkisson.com/the-clearest-no-spin-summary-of-fbi-report-on-hillary-clinton-email/).

The most charitable explanation is that Hillary Clinton was extremely careless with regard to classified information. Someone who is that careless with classified information should, at a minimum, never be allowed access to it again. This means that Hillary Clinton is unqualified to be President of the United States.

Hans Litten

Posted by: Julia | October 18, 2016 at 04:42 PM

"You cannot be a one issue voter" - I am still laughing (I should be crying)

There is only one issue - life or death .

Rotten = death (vaxxtermination & ww3)
Trump = gives us a half chance

It really is that simple .

Benedetta

Twlya Try this one link

https://www.facebook.com/VaxXed/photos/a.671486382994404.1073741828.669084493234593/771674052975636/?type=3&theater

Benedetta

Yes, Ya All vote Hillary

Juiie do that.

We will catch us another politician - A better politician - and one that will even be a Democrat in that next election cycle - that too is all for real vaccine safety. They come along all the time.

Why in the last 40 years - toward the end, we got Obama that when cornered by a parent promised research into the matter. Research as scum Poul Thorsen, and trash cans full of it at the CDC, as little miss pink -Umbridge -- I mean - Coleen Boyle insisted on filling the up with data. .

And while we are waiting for that Democrat on the next election cycle that will be our hero; We will Take down all borders of the Western Hemisphere. Cause everyone loved the European Union as gangs of Middle Eastern young men that also crossed the borders shoots up Paris.

and roll up them sleeves for that yearly flu shot.
Don't worry it won't be long , that they will even roll it up for you; after you get some sort of Parkinson's, or some other paralyzing disease.

Yes, let us do that.
Cause we don't won't to be a one issue voter = now do we. There are other issues more important that the future of all te infants out there.

And yes, I am mad at you all and disappointed too.

Twyla

Thank you, Danchi, for making sense.

Julia

@Danchi You are completely correct. Trump is irrational and unreliable on so many issues.

I cannot be a one issue voter on the hope that he will be slightly less pro-vaccine than Clinton. And while Clinton is not my first choice, when I think about which candidate would be more willing to increase social services and supports for our injured children, the clear choice is not a man who lacks even the appearance of empathy.

A small one-time donation to Generation Rescue in 2010 after being asked by Jenny McCarthy does not in any way indicate that he would have any sustained position or policy vis a vis vaccinations or support for our kids. Also said donation came from his foundation and not from his pocket. He did not give his foundation any money since 2008 so money came from others.

Benedetta

Danchi;
You once told me that I was ranting and you never even finished reading my post.

I have read all of yours and some are very long as you twist and turn and spin and try so very hard to convince others that Hillary is the one and Trump is evil, bad, bad, bad.

Mark Blaxill threw up his hands several years ago and said the science is really - really there that says vaccines are doing way more harm to our minds and that we have come to a dead end trying to convince the scientists and the politicians of the science.

And you know that.

Andrew Wakefield has spoken with Trump. Dr. Andrew Wakefield has told us that if Hillary gets in - in two years time - adults and children alike will have to line up and get mandatory vaccines if they want education, health insurance, employment, medicare, and anything else they can with hold to bully us into it.

Now tell me -- one more time- with out spinning or twisting it all a round - Do you trust Dr. Andrew Wakefield to know what we as an entire voting block should do, or do you not.

Birgit Calhoun

Carolyn M! I am watching most of those news programs regularly. The one channel I do not watch for news is Fox. I watch their soccer games. I am a soccer fan and if anyone else here is, I highly recommend it for a way out of being too frustrated. I can't stand Fox News. I am well informed on most current subject, and yes I know where Aleppo is. I have been interested in autism since the year 2000. I am interested because I have more experience regarding autism than I care to explain. I am interested in politics and I want to know what a potential President is going to do for me. So far I have not heard much by any of them that convinces me that they are going to be able to change anything even if that person has the best intentions. The government is very unwieldy and even if somebody wanted to change things like Bernie Sanders, the execution of that intent would be hampered by all kinds of massive road-blocks. Because of that I trust a person who has worked in the field more than someone who has not been politically engaged. Unfortunately Donald got to where he is right now because he divided and conquered in the primaries. There have got to be better candidates. But I don't see it. I am ready to change the subject.

Bob Moffit

@ Danchi .. I wrote:

"In any event .. do you disagree with Trump on these fundamental issues? If so .. there is no sense in talking about it .. Trump is NOT your choice. That's okay .. we ALL have a right to choose whomever we choose. So .. let's agree to disagree .. and .. leave it at that. Okay?"

I am sorry for trying to "agree to disagree" with you .. my fault entirely .. my only excuse is being one of that damned .. 13 million .. "basket of irredeemable deplorable" .. Republican voters who supported Trump. Shame on me for disagreeing with you.

My friend .. with all due respect ..I am done .. I vow to never again comment on anything you post .. no hard feelings .. simply a matter of not wasting each other's time?

Hans Litten

Again, Bill Clinton isn’t running for President.

Posted by: Danchi | October 18, 2016 at 11:20 AM

No its much worse than that !!!! Clinton Bodycount Danchi ?

The Drudge report (famous for being the first to out the Lewinsky story) is saying it is going to release something big on Rotten Rodham on Saturday (of a sexual scandal in nature I understand) .
But we will see . Wikileaks could yet decide the next POTUS (perhaps why they have been shut down).

Hera

Hi All,
We may disagree about the candidates, and what they will do in office, but the one good thing imo is that we can see even here that on any side of the political fence, we are all willing to work the best we can to prevent vaccine mandates and to protect the vaccine injured..
We don't have to agree politically, but I hope that no matter who gets in, that we all work to make ignoring the vaccine injured no longer politically acceptable..

Danchi

Rather than address each person individually I'll put it in one comment. I thank AOA for it's patience.
Bob:
"Everyone talks about Trump when he's President will do this that or the other yet NO ONE has been able to provide documentation or comments of Trump where he says what he would do"

You have to be more specific than this ..
I have to be more specific? That rich. Since the beginning of the year not one person on this comment board has been able to provide a specific quote that Trump made stating specifically what he would do if he were President about vaccines. Ironically I have which seems to just go over you heads or it just doesn't fit your comfort zone.
Would you like me to list the Donald Quotes on how he is Pro-Vaccine BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.
-Donald Trump quotes: Vaccines, Ebola and Universal Health Care
http://webcache.googleusercontent(dot)com/search?q=cache:f1MgXxCjOnIJ:outbreaknewstoday.com/donald-trump-quotes-vaccines-ebola-and-universal-health-care-52395/+&cd=40&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Via Twitter:

“If I were President I would push for proper vaccinations but would not allow one time massive shots that a small child cannot take – AUTISM.”
“To all haters and losers: I am NOT anti-vaccine, but I am against shooting massive doses into tiny children. Spread shots out over time.”

It can’t get much clearer than that.

"the fact TRUMP is a self-made billionaire .."
He is not a self made billionaire-he got his money from his Daddy. Do you know for a fact that Trump is a self made billionaire? No one does, You know why? One glaring reason is he will not reveal his tax returns like other candidates-that would be the telling. Trump sued Timothy L. O’Brien because he exposed creditable information that Trump was not a billionaire. Granted he is an exceptionally rich man but the only way to be sure is through his tax returns.
"Those who think Trump is a “winner” ought to take a close look at Donald Trump v. Timothy L. O’Brien. Because Trump didn’t just lose the case. He was humiliated.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431575/donald-trump-tim-obrien-courtroom-story

"do you disagree with Trump on these fundamental issues?
What fundamental issues? He's hasn't provided any policy statements. People are still waiting to hear how he would DO anything like govern. So do I disagree on his policies or fundamental issues-he has none and the little bit of alluding to what he would do experts say it would be a disaster.

Trump is NOT your choice. That's okay ..
It's obvious not OK by the way people come at me when I question them on specifics about Trump. Every comment I've posted has verifiable documentation with links where you can actually read or listen to what Trump himself has said and done (grab them by the pussy). Where is your verifiable information on the policies of Trump. Where is your verifiable information on the fact the Trump is a billionaire other than everybody knows this but really do they? Where is your verifiable evidence that the man is not a sexual predator and that he hasn’t a long consistent history of abusing women.

I don't need to be a Clinton supporter to see that despite the rhetoric on this comment board and others-no one has been able to provide verifiable information of her wrong doing. All you do is attack and continually report accusations without substantiating verifiable information. Everybody says she's a liar. Trump is a well known liar, a cheat and a con. (The Many Scandals of Donald Trump-A Cheat Sheet-
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/474726/)
I don't believe the Atlantic is a liberal news outlet but I'm not certain. Yes, there are similar articles on Clinton. This is not to compare lies-this is to demonstrate that Trump lies.

You say Clinton is a murder. That's she's had people killed. Who? Where the proof? Everyone is talking about Vince Foster supposeably because he was her lover. Ironic considering all the other comments online today talks about how she is Gay. Vince Fosters sister made it clear years ago that her brother was clinically depressed. That she had arranged for him to see a psychiatrist that the White House wasn’t aware of because if you’re seeing a psy most likely you would be let go. His sister said he was ill suited for the job that he was doing and also he was greatly concerned about the people he had talked Clinton (Bill) into hiring into the White House that were equally unsuited. He didn’t know what to do. His sister, Sheila Foster Anthony, in an article she wrote for the Washington Post this:
“This is scurrilous enough coming from right-wing political operatives who have peddled conspiracy theories about Vince’s death for more than two decades. How could this be coming from the presumptive Republican nominee for president?

Five investigations, including by independent counsels Robert B. Fiske Jr. and Kenneth Starr, concluded that Vince suffered from severe depression that caused him to be unable to sleep, unable to work, unable to think straight, and finally to take his own life.

I know this to be true because Vince lived with me when he came to Washington to serve as deputy counsel to the president. This is a grueling job in any administration, especially so at the start, and in the case of the Clinton White House, the counsel’s office — and Vince — were consumed with problems, including over the firing of employees in the White House travel office. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vince-foster-was-my-brother-donald-trump-should-be-ashamed/2016/05/26/95c684f2-233f-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html?utm_term=.7d9691c1e9fd

-Benghazi: Wow people had have their heads explode over Benghazi and the 4 deaths there. I don’t even want to pretend I can feel the kind of loss the family endured when this happened but to keep profaning the memories of the people who died by using them as some political poisons dart is beyond repugnant. Any death is tragic but the situation should be put into perspective. When an individual signs up to work in a foreign country in a hostile environment they know that there is the chance they could be harmed or worse. It’s part of the job. It’s not expected but it is a reality. My brother was in NSA on foreign soil and he knew the risk. Clinton was Secretary of State and you guys and the republicans tried to hold her accountable for their deaths citing lack of security. Some of you have either short memories or no memories of what has occurred to Americans on Foreign soil.

My first political shakeup was during the Reagan Administration and the bombing in Beirut.
Ronald Reagan’s Benghazi: http://www(dot)newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/ronald-reagans-benghazi-
Around dawn on October 23, 1983, I was in Beirut, Lebanon, when a suicide bomber drove a truck laden with the equivalent of twenty-one thousand pounds of TNT into the heart of a U.S. Marine compound, killing two hundred and forty-one servicemen. The U.S. military command, which regarded the Marines’ presence as a non-combative, “peace-keeping mission,” had left a vehicle gate wide open, and ordered the sentries to keep their weapons unloaded. The only real resistance the suicide bomber had encountered was a scrim of concertina wire. Thirteen more American servicemen later died from injuries, making it the single deadliest attack on American Marines since the Battle of Iwo Jima.

Six months earlier, militants had bombed the U.S. embassy in Beirut, too, killing sixty-three more people, including seventeen Americans. Among the dead were seven C.I.A. officers, including the agency’s top analyst in the Middle East, an immensely valuable intelligence asset, and the Beirut station chief. In March of 1984, three months after Congress issued its report, militants struck American officials in Beirut again, this time kidnapping the C.I.A.’s station chief, Bill Buckley. Buckley was tortured and, eventually, murdered.

That's 305 for Ronnie Reagan. Those 241 deaths was attributed to LACK OF SECURITY: From the article: "The only real resistance the suicide bomber had encountered was a scrim of concertina wire. "

63 were killed. The House issued a report finding “very serious errors in judgment” by officers on the ground, as well as responsibility up through the military chain of command, and called for better security measures against terrorism in U.S. government installations throughout the world.

The 1 remaining death, C.I.A.’s station chief, Bill Buckley was also attributed to a security lapse.
Reagan has NEVER been held accountable for this. The republicans in congress let him slide.
Top 10 Attacks on US Embassies in Republican Administrations that Lindsey Graham doesn’t Care about: http://www.(dot)juancole.com/2014/05/embassies-republican-administrations.html

Than there is this:
When Bush Sr. was president, there were 13 embassy or consulate attacks. 98 people were killed.
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Five people are killed. June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. 12 killed. October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Two people are killed. May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 36 killed. July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. Two killed. December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Nine killed. March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Four killed including U.S. diplomat David Foy. This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years. September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four killed. January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Two killed. July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Six killed. September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Sixteen killed. This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

Bill Clinton: 23 deaths on foreign soil. Some military and some embassy personnel.

George Bush Jr. 58 deaths of foreign soil connected to embassies. Iraq War for Oil & Profit-George Jr. Millions around the world have died and are still dying as a result of that LIE. In fact so many have died for Bush's war that Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfwith, Rice and others have been tried as WAR CRIMINALS AT THE HAGUE and convicted.

The Pentagon reported Friday that 265 active-duty service members killed themselves last year, continuing a trend of unusually high suicide rates that have plagued the U.S. military for at least seven years. That's since 2001. THAT'S BUSH'S WAR.

So lets hold every administration, Presidnet and their Secretary of State responsible for all of these. But as you can see the number of people killed on the republican watch far exceeds the 4 in Benghazi. You can justify your outrage any number of ways and you will but the numbers don’t lie. More personnel have been killed on foreign soil attached to embassies or wars on Republican Watch-where is that outrage?

The Clinton Foundation is at least Registered. Trump’s foundation is not.
Trump Foundation Tells New York It Has Stopped Soliciting After State Order:
“The developments come about two weeks after the attorney general’s office ordered the foundation to stop soliciting charitable contributions in the state of New York, saying that the nonprofit was not properly registered to do so under state law.”
http://www.nytimes(dot)com/2016/10/18/us/politics/trump-foundation-tells-new-york-it-has-stopped-soliciting-after-state-order.html?_r=0.Until this situation is fully investigated you really can’t make a comparison.

Clinton’s involvement with Monsanto. Well known. What’s not well know is Trumps stock holdings in Monsanto as well as other pharmaceutical holdings. Trump owns stock in as Pfeifer, Gilead Sciences, Johnson and Johnson, Celgene, McKesson, and Bristol-Myers Squibb and Monsanto according to the stock portfolio on Business Insider: http://www.businessinsider(dot)com/donald-trumps-stock-portfolio-2015-7. Warning if you have an ad blocker on this will not display properly.

So what Trump isn’t getting thru the front door he’s getting in the back door and that’s profits from the pharmaceutical industry which is the manufactures of vaccines.

Again, Bill Clinton isn’t running for President.


Danchi

Benedetta
I read his comment as well as the others, what about it specifically are you referring to?

Danchi

George Stevens
I have thoroughly researches vaccines -they do't work. If you have read any of my post on vaccines that's is obvious. I have also researched Trump AND Clinto AND Johnson and Stine.

I really resent the implication that I am ignorant and addled because I doesn't fall into line with others on this website. I don't insult your intelligent so I would appreciate it others did not insult mine.

Carolyn M

Birgit,

Please watch the videos that I posted previously. Trump is giving his impression of someone who is flustered. Please note that he did this in 2005 when interviewed by Larry King - and he was talking about himself.

As for CNN, they - like ABC, CBS, and NBC - are very pro-Hillary Clinton. I just saw on Fox News yesterday: those three networks have devoted 253 minutes to the Trump tape story and only 36 minutes to the Wikileaks revelations about Hillary Clinton.

George stevens

Danchi so you believe the media on trump but what do you believe when it comes to vaccines and autism and what does the media tell you there?

Birgit Calhoun

One more thing, the hand-flapping is in fact also called stimming and associated with autism. No, and I don't believe Donald is autistic. Donald is, where I come from, making fun of someone. I have seen him and watched and heard comments. Donald says outrageous things. When he first started his election campaign I thought he was saying all these things as a reaction to political correctness. But when he kept up these incredibly simplistic one-liners that have not changed for 1 and 1/2 years, and he has not gotten to brass-tacks about some real policy issues other than building a wall along the Mexico border 2/3 of which is the Rio Grande (he could at least have gotten into details about which side of the river the wall would be built and take the oil-wells in Iraq, I have started to doubt this man's serious attempt to appear presidential.

There are problems with that man.

Birgit Calhoun

Benedetta! You cannot infer from anything that is said here that anybody is lying. I am talking about my impression and how Donald Trump comes across to me. If you prefer that I say that Donald is making friendly hand-signals, let that be your opinion. CNN people didn't see it that way. Donald has a history. That history is well-known. He has gone into bankruptcy and avoided paying workmen and contractors. He has said "you are fired" many times without blinking an eye. Donald may be against or for vaccines; all these pictures are being portrayed here. I am not commenting in order to annoy. I am commenting to bring some sense into the discussion.

Carolyn M

Here is a link to some Trump "flapping" videos:

https://www.catholics4trump.com/even-more-video-evidence-trump-did-not-mock-reporters-disability

There are 5 videos:

Video #1: May 17, 2005, while interviewed by Larry King. Trump used those movements when talking about himself.

Video #2: October 2015. Trump used those movements to describe a bank president's reaction to the word "regulator".

Video #3: November 25, 2015. Trump used those movements when talking about a general and when talking about the reporter.

Video #4: February 2016. Trump used those movements when talking about Ted Cruz.

Video #5: footage of the reporter, which shows that he does not flap.

Benedetta

I do feel for the beauty queen.
She did not put on some weight, she put on about 100 pounds.

Trump turned it around as a victory of look - she fought this and won.

The beauty queen had to be sick with endocrine/hormone problems.

And you know I bet she has some kind of bipolar going on too.
My guess; vaccine injury/immune problems/hormones

I speak from experience on this one. Yeah, I had a teeny tiny daughter that also suddenly gained 100 pounds with in a few months. IT took a great deal to turn that around. Low carbs, no wheat, extensive exercise. Mine even got a buffalo hump on her back as in cushings. Scary times we live in .
I see vaccine damages left and right.
Bipolar is deep in this too. Geesh.

The beauty queen showed some pretty poor judgment too - some thing about a robbery or was it murder - and driving her boyfriend? Not sure.

Trump talked them in to not getting rid of her.

Oh, what a bad guy!

Canadian who gets it

Don't worry all. Cait from Canada doesn't reflect all Canadians, although I must confess there are far too many who smugly and superficially declare Trump unfit. I cringe when I hear fellow Canadians say that. But! Many of us get that freedom itself (Internet, media, medical) is at stake in this election. Imperfect as Trump is, I thank God for him.

Carolyn M

I agree with Benedetta. From what I have read, Donald Trump has used those movements to give his impression of someone who is backed into a corner, under pressure, and does not know what to say or do. Other than this reporter (who does not flap), he used these movements when talking about Ted Cruz and a general, if I remember correctly. Neither of those people have a disability as far as I know. Therefore, Trump was not mocking anyone with a disability, or any other kind of obvious physical issues.

Benedetta

Birgit;

I watched the hand flapping several times from Trump. He was conveying that some one got caught doing stupid or evil things and were anxious and nervous about being caught - Period. As in Trump's case he was explaining how the Grey Lady reporters were caught red handed doing some bad things.

Then we find out one of the reporters had a - what was it - a paralyzed arm. I don't think it flapped around though? Nope pretty sure it did not. Next thing you know - all on Hillary's side is claiming Yeap; Trump was a making fun of a handicap person - and he was not..

I come from an area that loves to tell stories and all of us are animated in the telling; flapping hands is a body language to show being scared. Is that not true in the area you come from?.

I don't like people that lies as the try to pretend some one meant one thing , and makes me go back and look It all up and research it to find out they took it all out of context and it clearly meant something else.

I think that is called lying.

Cait from Canada

Benedetta, you are calling Clinton a liar for something that was pointed out by numerous viewers and commentators before she even mentioned it. You might disagree with this interpretation of what happened during the debate, but it is a stretch to call it a lie. As for moving in front of Trump, it is normal during a townhall debate to approach the person asking the question, which is what Clinton did. Maybe Trump didn’t realize this but he should have moved back or to the side as a courtesy, to give her some space, instead of appearing to lurk behind her.

Trump himself appears to have no regard for the truth whatsoever. It just doesn’t seem to matter to him. He is on record — and on film — saying numerous things that he categorically denied having said afterwards, sometimes within minutes of making the initial statement.

Carolyn M

Birgit,

The reporter who had the joint condition did not flap. His joint condition was just the opposite - the affected area was frozen. Donald Trump used those motions two other times - as his impression of someone who is backed into a corner, under pressure, and does not know what to say or do. Also, if I remember correctly, one of the people in question was Ted Cruz, the other was a general. Neither of those individuals is disabled, as far as I know. Therefore, mocking a disability or other physical imperfection is not a factor in his use of those motions.

Michelle B

I was done with the Dems when Obama signed the Monsanto Protection Act.

Cait from Canada: Funny that you should use the word "dangerous" to describe Trump. I heard a long main stream media recording of all their reporters repeatedly using this term (the most recent buzz word to describe Trump) in recent "news." These people can't even use synonyms!

I hate pulling a Alec Baldwin/Barbra Streisand, but if we have mandatory vaccines, I WILL have to leave the US. I've told anyone who will listen that my kids will be vaxxed again over my cold, dead body.

I entertained myself with some old YouTube videos of the late, great Christopher Hitchens opining on the Clintons--well worth a listen.

Birgit Calhoun

As far as flapping goes, I think Donald really means to show somebody who is not put together in a way that makes him an entity to be reckoned with. That might be anybody with a spastic affliction or some other imperfection. Donald seems to not have any respect for imperfection in the human body, and I don't believe that he cares about anybody's weaknesses. He only tolerates perfect looks and perfect performance (as seen in "The Apprentice"). What does he think about autism? That's anybody's guess. But my hunch is that he does not have a whole lot of sympathy for conditions that are thought of as being below his vision of normal. That part came out in his comments on the beauty-queen who had put on some weight or his former wife Marla Maples who had become too boring.

Hera

Cait, unfortunately imo Hilary is bought and paid for. She already knows vaccines are safe and she wants everyone to have them.
I'm an independent voter, lean toward democrat. But I have seen California, and the taking away of basic medical rights, including the right to education in vaccine injured children who refuse further vaccines. How can I support that?
Forced vaccination or isolation from school; I will stand against that. And it is not theoretical. It is already happening. Hilary may care about children in theory, but in practice she is already supporting people choosing to force potential injury on them.
Can't find the exact quote, but Terry Pratchett once said something about evil coming quietly in the day, on lists...

Carolyn M

From what I have read, the reporter's joint condition does not involve flapping. Just the opposite - the affected area is frozen. I have also read that Trump used those same movements in two other instances, as his impression of someone who is backed into a corner, under pressure, and does not know what to answer or do.

Read Hillary Clinton's answers to the Scientific American questions on public health, global challenges, regulation, and vaccination. They read almost as if written by Paul Offit. Hillary Clinton is not educable.

Cait from Canada

Dan O., re: your original post, you expressed annoyance at the conflation of autism with a joint abnormality. But seriously, do you think Donald Trump requested a diagnosis before deciding to mock the disabled reporter? He was mocking the flapping, not the specific condition. He could just as easily have been mocking someone with autism. And I think that is the point the mother was making.

I completely agree with Danchi's posts. Donald Trump is completely beyond the pale, in fact, I think he is seriously deranged and potentially dangerous. I find it disturbing that so many AoA readers are willing to overlook his abhorrent behavior and attitudes because he has made a few offhand comments about autism and vaccination. I recall he said at one point that you'd have to look at the studies. But did he ever take the time to look at those studies? I don't think so.

I understand the concerns about Hillary's pro-vaccine stance. But she is intelligent and thoughtful, and in my view more concerned about your children and grandchildren than Trump will ever be. If she is elected you will need to lobby her or someone close to her to actually sit down and read the studies. People can change their minds. I know I did, and probably most of you did too.

Benedetta

Danchi;

Read Bob Moffit's post please.

I read your big long list of why not Trump. All - All were stuff taken out of context, and twisted by the big Democratic party.

As in Hillary's take on the last debate. She said that Trump followed her around the stage. I watched the debate, He never moved. She got up and moved in front of him, and then said he followed her around .

She is such a liar.

Stalin loved loyal party members. HE called them useful idiots.

Bob Moffit

@ Danchi .. you wrote:

"Everyone talks about Trump when he's President will do this that or the other yet NO ONE has been able to provide documentation or comments of Trump where he says what in would do"

You have to be more specific than this .. Trump has said he is going to build a wall .. going to renegotiate disastrous trade deals .. especially NAFTA .. is firmly against the proposed TPP .. will impose extreme vetting of immigrants from countries known to be safe-havens for terrorists .. eliminate as best he can the disastrous ACA .. on and on.

You write: "Please state specifically what a President can do".

A President "selects" the people who will preside over the vast .. "unelected" federal regulatory bureaucracy .. HHS, CDC, EPA, FAA, etc.... which is where the "real" power in Washington D.C. lies .. not to mention "nominating conservative Supreme Court Justices". How about Trump finding a position for Dr. Ben Carson .. say .. Surgeon General?

You write: "President will have to be vetted by Congress and the Senate. Just about all of them are on the pharma teat. Do you honestly think they are going to bite the hand that feeds them"

Say what you want .. but .. the fact TRUMP is a self-made billionaire .. rather than a "career politician" who .. alongside her "career politician" husband became "multimillionaires" while ostensibly "public servants" .. is .. to me .. far less likely to "bite the hand" that has fed them their entire careers.

In any event .. do you disagree with Trump on these fundamental issues? If so .. there is no sense in talking about it .. Trump is NOT your choice. That's okay .. we ALL have a right to choose whomever we choose. So .. let's agree to disagree .. and .. leave it at that. Okay?

ATSC

Dr. James Dobson:

"All I can tell you is that we have only two choices, Hillary or Donald. Hillary scares me to death. And, if Christians stay home because he isn't a better candidate, Hillary will run the world for perhaps eight years. The very thought of that haunts my nights and days."

http://drjamesdobson.org/news/dr-james-dobson-on-trumps-christian-faith

Benedetta

I fore see that my family all vaccine injuried might be lining up for more vaccines in two years from now. Forced to get their vaccines to keep jobs, disability, Medicare.

The CDC if not stopped will do this. California has already got the kids - now for the adults.

In two years time it is coming.

I know that is hard to believe Danchi.
Just like it was hard to believe that my son at nine months of age was having a vaccine reaction
Just like it was hard to believe my daughter at age 27 had bipolar and I found her cutting imaginary bot worms out of her arms when she was in psychosis. Lots of stuff I find hard to believe that has happened. When I think on my life - I keep shaking my head - in disbelief.

Now; all that shaking my head - I am awake. It is very possible even probable that in two years time My whole family will be forced to get vaccines if HIllary wins. It is coming - it is coming And you better believe it.

Carolyn M

I have a few links regarding Hillary Clinton's position on vaccines.

First, two links quoting people in her campaign:

Tim Kaine called Gardasil "a vital vaccine for women's health". The link is www.yesvirginia.org/AboutUS/NewsItem/834

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (who joined the campaign after leaving the DNC): "But there is no proof whatsoever, in fact it's been disproven, that there is any risk to the health of a child when they're vaccinated. I feel very strongly that every parent should fully vaccinate their children with all the recommended vaccinations."

The link is www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-wasserman-schultz-vaccination-20150203-story.html

Everyone here is aware of Hillary Clinton's tweet.

She also recently answered some questions in Scientific American. There were 20 questions. Of the 20, one dealt with public health and one concerned vaccination. Hillary Clinton expressed her views on vaccination in both of these questions as well as in the questions on global concerns and regulations. The link is https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-do-the-presidential-candidates-know-about-science

Here are some quotes:

"...as President, I will create a Public Health Rapid Response Fund...to better enable the Center for Disease Control, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, state and local public health departments, hospital systems, and other federal agencies to quickly and aggressively respond to major public health crises and pandemics..." One of the things that she said the Rapid Response Fund would do is "accelerate development of vaccines."

Also: "Through vaccinations and vaccine science, I am committed to protecting our nation's children as well as populations worldwide from infectiuos disease threats.
"Over the last two decades, we have made extraordinary global gains in reducing childhood illness and deaths through expanded use of vaccines and immunization...globally - with the support of GAVI, UNICEF, the World Health Organization and other international organizations - I will work hard to press for the elimination of these deadly diseases.
"As President, I will work closely with the talented physicians, nurses, and scientists in our U.S. Public Health Service to speak out and educate parents about vaccines, focusing on their extraordinary track record in saving lives and pointing out the dangers of not vaccinating our children."

There is more, but this post is lengthy enough now.

Jeannette Bishop

For me it feels wrong, the last couple of election cycles, to vote, and I was one who always tried to make sure I did ( I thought I tried to be an educated voter too, though I hardly had the ability to be, I now think).

I can't really say why for sure either (that I feel I shouldn't vote)--I was well taught, or something, that it is an important civic duty. I've heard suggestions that mail-in ballots are particularly susceptible to being digitally stored on file for data mining or monitoring I guess, and it's hard for me to go to a polling place for health reasons, so maybe that's just a personal guiding feeling. I know the system is manipulated and rife with fraud, criminal activity really, and so maybe that should indicate a good enough of a reason.

I watched a documentary of sorts about the Kennedy assassination (and I can't say whether it was all documentable as fact), but just learned of enough verifiable previously unknown (to me) aspects of that event that I'm pretty certain a president with integrity and courage would also have to take an army (or at least a major security detail loyal to him/her or the law of the land) with him/her to the White House as well as to Congress and spend quite a bit of time un-entrenching and undoing the work of those with different loyalties/values to get anything done we hope to be done.

Did you know there was a constitutional amendment ratified by enough states to make it the law of the land that no one with a title bestowed by a foreign entity (I'm wording this all badly probably) could hold elected office that was just somehow (conveniently?) left off most of the printed forms of the constitution until forgotten? I understand this was mainly directed at preventing lawyers licensed under the bar in the UK from holding office...so if we wanted to get back to the basic rule of law would everything done by such individuals be voided, etc. In fact, you didn't have to be a licensed anything to act as an "attorney" in court in the U.S. We have all these interdicting systems of control now that could be argued are completely unlawful. We have a lost (ignored) constitutional amendment and now we don't even bother with the amendment process when making fundamentally unconstitutional changes to our system. The president just declares he now has the right to kill people with a secret "due process" process, for instance.

Just venting some despondency here I guess, because I feel responsible to participate in making a healthy community with integrity of law and basic decency upheld, and "voting" was the easy way to feel like I did my part.

I now tell myself I "voted" for the organic farmers over the mountain range this week (and most weeks) instead of the chain grocery stores stocked with mega food conglomerates' products. I "vote" (maybe even a little more than vote sometimes) most days for healthcare reform to a system that respects right to personal choice, bodily integrity, informed consent, particularly regarding vaccination, or at least the right to operate outside of the system. I tell myself these things, but ... it's not anywhere near enough.

Carol

It's actually what Mike Pence thinks about vaccines, it would seem. Below a Kasich adviser recounts being probed about Kasich's interest in the vice presidency:

"Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history?

When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

'Making America great again' was the casual reply."

A Democrat voting for Trump

Danchi-

Very interesting that you won't watch Clinton Cash. Reminds me of those who won't watch Vaxxed or Brexit the Movie. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Also interesting that you have no response to Trump's Generation Rescue donation or meeting with Wakefield-both highly significant.

As for stock ownership, almost everyone with an index fund in their 401(k) will own pharma and Monsanto stock-the relevant measure will be who the donors support, and that is Hillary.

As for sexual predation, the Clintons are second to none in that arena, with Hillary acting as chief enabler to Bill and chief character assassinator of the victims. A real champion of women.

And on Russia, you might want to check out what Dr. Jill Stein has to say about Hillary vs. Trump. And Julian Assange has all put identified Seth Rich as Wikileaks source for the Bernie shenanigans within the Democratic Party, and stated specifically that the leak was not from Russia.

But at the end of the day, vote for Hillary if you must.

Reader

Bottom line is that it's very ironic that Hillary's ad tries to use autism for votes. She and the Democrats have and will continue to 'autism sleeps' their way through this crucial issue.
Oh and Danchi, seriously? Most wealthy people have stocks in Monsanto and big pharma. Trump seems to legit sense that something is wrong and I know he will force the issue. He has way more skin in the game than Hillary for starters. I'll trust Dr. Wakefield's take on the best candidate any day.

Danchi

Bob
If you think Dr. Wakefield's meeting with Trump on this "precise issue" .. is worthy of consideration by our long suffering community?

I bleed for these children. I have grandchildren that have been harmed by vaccines and children in my family who have been diagnosed as autistic. These children are long suffering and should be given priority but what can ANY PRESIDENT do. Everyone talks about Trump when he's President will do this that or the other yet NO ONE has been able to provide documentation or comments of Trump where he says what in would do. Please state specifically what a President can do. Everything that's done by any President will have to be vetted by Congress and the Senate. Just about all of them are on the pharma teat. Do you honestly think they are going to bite the hand that feeds them? In fact Trump stated this:

-"If I were President I would push for proper vaccinations but would not allow one time massive shots that a small child cannot take" - AUTISM. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2014
His views are clear . Trump says “he favors vaccines”. He’s say’s he’s not Anti-Vaxx and "The bottom line is they have to get vaccinated." Trump quotes. Where is the wiggle room in those statements?

What the hell? Between his tweets and his comment in the Sharyl Atkisson can the man be any more clear and concise? I have never said the vaccine issue should not be a priority. What I continue to say and will continue to say is Trump will NOT do anything in regards to vaccines. All his comment have validated his support of Vaccines. He states: I AM PRO-VACCINE. He or his campaign have not even mentioned the word Vaccine since April 10, 2016. What you and others are looking for is not there by Trumps own declarations and people who continue to support will be gravely disappointed.

I'm a pragmatist. The pattern of behavior that Trump has exhibited over the years (my insight into Trump are not recent-I've been around a while and Trump has been a media darling for decades so his antics are well know to many) is alarming. It's apparent he is a narcissist personality but I think he also suffers from what someone termed PPP3:
Pervasive Predatory Pattern.
Trumps statements only confirm what Trump says he did. "You can do anything when you are a star".

There are now 12 women who have accused Trump of inappropriate behavior:
Sexual assault allegations against Donald Trump: 12 women say he groped, kissed, or assaulted them
http://www.vox.com/2016/10/12/13265206/trump-accusations-sexual-assault.

The fact that Trump has actively encouraged Putin & Russia to interfere in American's political process should be alarming to any American. If the Russian' hacked the DNC what's going to stop them from hacking more sensitive areas of the American government? Everybody thinks oh yea Wikileaks lets bring on the emails but the emails haven't affected policy changes in the government and again-the emails were sent by Russia to Wikileaks, another foreign entity to interfere with the political processes of American. How do you know the contents of the emails haven't been altered? If the Russians can hack they can certainly manipulate the contents.

Yes, the children deserve far better that what they have received. Yes, it would be awesome if Clinton & Wakefield met. It would also be awesome if there is an America not being manipulated and run by a foreign country which allows other foreigners to not manipulate not only the population thru propaganda which is a specialty of Putin being he's a former KGB officer, but the ignorant elected officials into doing their bidding because they are too busy hating on a single individual without looking to the big picture. I don't want my grandchildren to grow up in a country where the leader of the free world is a known:
racist
bigot
sexual predatory
misogynistic
and someone who sexualizes his daughter openly in the media
by his own comments.

Linda1

Danchi,
There is ample evidence of a frantic aggressive push toward mandatory fetus to grave vaccination by our government and global agencies. Clinton is behind those agencies and their agendas 150%. That's enough proof for me. There may be more that I'm unaware of.

As for Trump's sexuality - In the 70's and 80's everyone slept with everyone. There was grabbing and groping and all kinds of things going on. Men typically did not ask permission to extend their hand toward you. If they didn't stop when you said to, that's different. But there usually was no initial, "may I...?". This was the cultural norm. Look at any movie from that time.

I wouldn't pay much attention to Howard Stern's schtick. What Trump said on that show was probably playing along. Distasteful, but I wouldn't use the content to define the person.

As for his relationships with women, I'd like to ask, what is the difference between a man with a sex drive and a sexual predator? The media doesn't seem to make a distinction. Where is the line? Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but men are attracted to women, some act on that attraction more than others, some just when young, some for their entire lives. When does natural attraction become pathological and a danger to society?

I have always thought that he was involved in the pageants because he wanted the company of the contestants. Does that make him a predator? Or a man?

Danchi

A Democratic voting for Trump:
I don't need to research them, I lived through it.

You dont even know the person you're supporting. Monsanto-seriously?
Here is what has been revealed about Trumps stock holding via the little information he has allowed to come out:
*Trump does have stock in GSK, Bristol Meyer Squib, Gilead Sciences, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Pfizer (#1 profiteer), *******Monsanto*******, Johnson and Johnson. Look up the tax form that is online. Everyone claims that Trump is not establishment and won't take money from pharma. He doesn't have to take it upfront-he owns stock in it. He gets money thru the backdoor.

"You seem to want a candidate that is completely anti-vaccine and has stated so. "
I want a candidate that is not a sexual predator.

The way I say it, with Hillary we have no chance of advancing our cause and getting help for our kids; with Trump, we might

Please don't tell me to research anything. I am well researched. Just the fact that you don't even know that Trump has substantial stock in pharma and MONSANTO tells me you're only researching things that validate what you're looking for not what's actual there.

All the candidates suck but you know what my biggest concern as an American is Trumps encouragement of Putin and Russia to involve itself in the affairs of the United States. What kind of American wants that? You have Russia feeding Wiki leaks, another foreigner, information that they hacked from the DNC giving it to Trump. What makes you think that this type of security breech will stop here? What's going to stop Russia from breaching the CIA, NSA, the Pentagon, HLS and more sensitive areas of the US government? Putin is former KGB-do you think for one minute with his hatred of the West that this will be a one time deal? Are you that naive? Putin is scared of Clinton because she knows things about him that can block his gaining the presidency in Russia for a 3rd term. He hates her because he thinks that she did when he tried to get a 3rd term when she was Secretary of State.

I'm an American I am concerned beyond 1 issue in a presidential elections. There are multitudes of issues that challenge America-not just one.

You still haven't provided any verifiable documentation that confirms that Trump is good for children. You also have not provided any information that states Clinton will implement mandatory vaccination.

A Democrat voting for Trump

Wow, nice to see that my response back to Danchi got censored.

go Trump

I guess the entire future of the United States might be based on someone using a few “bad words.”

It is very well known from the military staff in the White House that “first lady Hillary” often used “bad words as a greeting” on a day to day basis.

The military staffer would say “good morning” and Hillary would simply respond ...FU... depending on what type of day she was having.

This conduct would make a great debate question or perhaps a charming commercial.

Bob Moffit

@ Danchi

'With all due respect to Dr. Wakefield I'm sure he hasn't had the opportunity to follow Trumps comments on vaccination. Trump has said he is PRO-Vaccine."

My friend .. at 76 years of age .. having been disappointed .. and even worse .. betrayed .. my entire life by "career" politicians .. BOTH PARTIES .. at some time in their LONG careers ... I bow to no one when it comes to "cynicism" regarding what politicians "say" .. as opposed to what they actually "do

And so .. with all respect for you .. and .. I truly mean respect .. this is Wakefield's statement:

" There is one person, whatever else you may think about him, who has expressed the fact that he knowns vaccines cause autism, that vaccine damage is real ... and this is an issue that will never .. in his mind lead to mandatory vaccinations .... and I had the privilege of meeting him the other day to discuss this precise issue & he is on our side."

I am curious .. do you believe Dr Wakefield when he claims to have "discussed this precise issue" with Trump .. and .. believes "he is on our side"?

As for myself .. I would love to ask Dr Wakefield if he made any similar effort to have the "privilege" of meeting with Hillary Clinton to "discuss this precise issue"?

So I will ask you .. in your opinion ... do you think Hillary Clinton would have met with Dr. Wakefield to discuss this "precise issue"?

If yes .. why wouldn't Wakefield comment on meeting Clinton?
If not .. why wouldn't Clinton and Dr Wakefield meet?

I suspect such a meeting never occurred and I suspect I know the reasons why also. Too bad really .. because I think this "precise discussion" between these two flawed candidates deserves to be heard by "we the people" .. certainly more so than all the time, energies, money devoted to spurious "scandals" .. we have been force fed by our media .. over the last YEAR.

My friend .. in any event .. it is absolutely none of my business who .. or .. why .. you chose to support any candidate in this fast approaching election. Indeed, my ONLY reason for commenting to you .. which I would much prefer to do privately .. is ... I truly am "curious" to know .. if you think Dr. Wakefield's meeting with Trump on this "precise issue" .. is worthy of consideration by our long suffering community?

Birgit Calhoun

Bob Moffit! I have heard Dr. Wakefield say these words, or something close to that, in a video.

Birgit Calhoun

Dan! What you describe doesn't only occur in this election campaign. Here it is worth noting that the reality is that most people do not give damn. That includes about 99% of the population, and they mainly see their knowledge of autism as an expression of something they don't want to deal with. Neither Hillary not Donald are really serious. One of the two is likely going to be President. Once whoever gets the job, will either throw money at the cause or not.

It struck me as significant in this context that two movies have come out recently that take advantage of the phenomenon of autism. Autism is maybe "chique"? One is "The Accountant" and the other "The Dressmaker". "The Accountant" movie shows a criminal who is autistic. The person who made "The Dressmaker" has had the experience of autistic children and has overcome. What bothers me no end is that in both cases there is a certain style of reporting regarding these movies that in some way exploit the affliction.

Hillary and Donald are not the only people who are doing it, i.e. exploit that disability, and as long as the term is being exploited it shows how the horrible nature of autism is made into something that it really is not.

kapoore

We are on the verge of living in a medical dictatorship. If Hillary is elected we'll probably have to stop being law abiding citizens or be force vaccinated. We'll have to lie, use fake documents, or pay vast amounts of money to get exemptions--not just kids, all of us. There are no easy answers in this election because Hillary seems vaccine injured herself, but the people who support her are the corporate globalists who it seems have big plans to dissolve sovereign nation and then of course our rights with it.

Several years ago my husband and I were traveling in Germany and our guide told us about how the EU came about. First it was just economic, etc; but then one day, he said, we just woke up and there it was. We belonged to the EU who made the decisions for us and we no longer had a country. So it's not stated directly but the idea is to undermine our constitution by displacing our country with the North American Union. And now Wikileaks confirms that this is exactly what Hillary wants to do. What would it be like to live in the U.S. but not have constitutional rights? Plus the corporate media has already shown us how disgusting they are when it comes to parental choice in vaccines. They are so on the side of Hillary, and so we already know where they all stand on this. I'm spooked. GO TRUMP!!

Doug Troutman

Hillary care caused this disaster. If she is elected we will have mandated vaccines for young and old. The Bushes and Clintons have destroyed the lives of many children and families.

A Democrat voting for Trump

Danchi-

With respect, I would ask you to research who the Clintons really are, and not take anything Hillary says at face value. You might want to start with the Clinton Cash book or documentary (available on youtube for free).

You seem to want a candidate that is completely anti-vaccine and has stated so. There is no such candidate. Hillary has made an absolute statement about vaccines being "safe", and is a tremendous friend and promoter of both big Pharma and big food (particularly Monsanto). She will continue to expand on Obamacare, which will end with only "evidence-based medical care" (as mainstream medicine will define it and that means psych drugs for our kids, along with mandatory vaccination) being available or perhaps even legal. Trump has donated to Generation Rescue, met personally with Andrew Wakefield and publicly stated that he has grave concerns about vaccines, including making a connection to autism. He is also royally pissed off about the way disabled vets are being treated (and has promised to reform the VA), and does not believe we should have a Darwinian medical care model-this points to someone who actually cares about the welfare of those in need.

The way I say it, with Hillary we have no chance of advancing our cause and getting help for our kids; with Trump, we might.

Twyla

I have great respect for Dr. Wakefield. He says that he met with Trump and that Trump said he's on our side.

Trump's a really good salesman, but he has a history of not following through.

For example, the failed Baja condo resort:

The sales team gave her a book, bound in blue suede, describing a resort where residents “relax by the infinity-edge pool, margarita in hand, as the cabana boy brings fresh towels.” It featured Trump, shown smiling in a French gold-leaf chair, telling readers that no words or pictures “can possibly describe what is about to take shape here, but it is certainly going to be the most spectacular place in all of Mexico.”

In the end, nothing at all was built at Trump Ocean Resort, and Simms lost her money. As did about 250 other buyers, most of them from Southern California.

All told, two years of aggressive marketing yielded $32.5 million in buyer deposits, every bit of it spent by the time Trump and his partners abandoned the project in early 2009 as the global economy was reeling. Most of the buyers sued them for fraud.

In the end, nothing at all was built at Trump Ocean Resort, and Simms lost her money. As did about 250 other buyers, most of them from Southern California.

All told, two years of aggressive marketing yielded $32.5 million in buyer deposits, every bit of it spent by the time Trump and his partners abandoned the project in early 2009 as the global economy was reeling. Most of the buyers sued them for fraud.

Condo buyers at troubled Trump towers in Tampa and Fort Lauderdale, Fla., claimed in lawsuits that they too were misled and lost deposits. Students at the defunct Trump University say in fraud suits that they wasted money on worthless real-estate training. Trump’s string of business bankruptcies has stuck suppliers with unpaid bills and banks with uncollectible debts…

“We were conned out of $140,000 in cash,” said buyer Sandra Sapol, 46, of Carlsbad. “That was hard-earned money, down the drain.”

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-baja-snap-story.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is this a man we can count on to save us? Is this a man we want as president of the United States? I don't think so.

Twyla

At least Hillary has an autism plan, where she talks about the need for support for children and adults with autism and their caretakers.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/01/05/hillary-clintons-plan-to-support-children-youth-and-adults-living-with-autism-and-their-families/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/autism/

And she has a disability rights page.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/disability-rights/

Yes, there is no mention of vaccines causing autism.

But Donald Trump's site doesn't even mention autism nor disabilities.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

I have more hope for educating Hillary about vaccine problems than for Trump to do anything worthwhile.

Twyla

Thank you, Danchi, for posting the quote from Trump where, when asked about the right to make choices on vaccines he says, "The bottom line is they have to get vaccinated…" Because, polio.
http://fullmeasure.news/news/politics/full-measure-sharyl-attkisson-1-on-1-with-donald-trump
He also says, "I'm a big believer in vaccines," and that "vaccines are very important," but that, "we have to study the vaccines and we have to be very, very careful with vaccines." I like the part about being careful. And I agree there needs to be more study - good study. But there are lots of studies, and if he were president all the "experts" would bombard him with studies saying that vaccines are safe and diseases are dangerous.

The four presidential candidates still standing have been asked 20 questions about science. Question # 15 is about vaccines.
- Hillary is effusive about the wonders of vaccines and says, "As president, I will work closely with the talented physicians, nurses, and scientists in our US Public Health Service to speak out and educate parents about vaccines, focusing on their extraordinary track record in saving lives and pointing out the dangers of not vaccinating our children…"
- But Trump says almost the same thing, although more briefly: "We should educate the public on the values of a comprehensive vaccination program. We have been successful with other public service programs and this seems to be of enough importance that we should put resources against this task."

So both say they are in favor of propaganda. Neither says they are either for or against mandates.
- Maybe she is for mandates, but I haven't seen her say that anywhere, not even in that famous "sky is blue" tweet.
- Would Trump reform the vaccine program? We have no idea. He is all over the place, changing positions from one day to the next. I really appreciate that he has said maybe we're giving too many vaccines at once, maybe this causes autism, maybe we should spread them out. But these words do not necessarily translate into strong actions. He has not said anything about these issues - as far as I have heard - since that primary debate. Others such as John McCain have mentioned a possible link, but then dropped the issue. Look at all who spoke out at that Congressional hearing a couple of years ago, but only Congressman Posey has continued to speak out. Trump is impulsive, and does not take the time to study and learn about issues in depth. He has a long track record as a conman, and not much record of working hard on anything besides making money. Whether he would stand up to the pressures put on a president is questionable.

There just isn't enough in Trump's vaccine positions to make up for his huge faults, imho. Now, if Bill Posey were running for president, I would consider crossing party lines, even if I disagreed with him on other issues.

Twyla

Re: "Trump claims he didn't remember the reporter and was just lampooning his excitedness, not his illness."

Trump was definitely mocking that reporter's disability. He said, '“Now, the poor guy, you ought to see this guy…" and held his right arm in the same position that the reporter holds his shriveled right arm. Yes the reporter doesn't flap, and Trump was flapping. No, we don't have reason to believe that Trump was making fun of autistic people, but he was making fun of a disability. This is what he always does; he lashes out at people who cross him.

"Trump claims he did not know Kovaleski, but the reporter closely covered Trump’s troubled business dealings while he was a reporter for the N.Y. Daily News between 1987 and 1993.

"'Donald and I were on a first-name basis for years,' Kovaleski told the Times in November. 'I’ve interviewed him in his office,' he added. 'I’ve talked to him at press conferences. All in all, I would say around a dozen times, I’ve interacted with him as a reporter while I was at The Daily News.' In particular, Kovaleski covered the launch of the Trump Shuttle, spending the day with Trump in 1989 when the airline launched with typical Trump brashness."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-revisionist-history-of-mocking-a-disabled-reporter/

Trump constantly lies.

Bayareamom

"With all due respect to Dr. Wakefield I'm sure he hasn't had the opportunity to follow Trumps comments on vaccination..."

I think he has, but you'd have to ask Andrew for clarification. He has made it abundantly clear how he stands re this election. He cannot vote, for obvious reasons, but has definitely come out on the record and stated how he feels about this political race.

I, on the other hand, am not voting. I can't stand either candidate. I'd vote for a rubber ball before I'd vote for either one of these two individuals. I am embarrassed for our country at this point.

@Danchi

Nothing you have said could make me believe Hillary is morally superior to Trump. I think it's quite the opposite. A "sexual predictor?" You must watch a lot of CNN and read the NY Times etc. who are all pro- Democrat. I'm with Gayle and Bayareamom, and I absolutely believe that Dr. Wakefield has very much looked into the candidates and has a studied opinion on them. Vote Hillary and your freedoms are all gone. Watch it happen. Except luckily I think the sheeple have woken up, seen more alternative media, and will turn out in droves to vote Trump!

 ciaparker

I agree with Danchi. Trump has said that he is in favor of a child getting all the vaccines, just not all at once. He thinks THAT is the solution to the autism being caused by vaccines. He is unintelligent and uninformed on everything, but thinks that being loud and aggressive are the only characteristics that matter. He is a boor and a predator when it comes to women.

Hillary is dishonest, playing along with Big Pharma and lobbyists in other areas as well. She is a total vaccine shill, and can get a job doing that when she retires.

However, Hillary will win. I'll vote for Darrell Castle, and then just batten down the hatches and wait another four years. Or eight years, but I don't think her health will hold up for a second term. And I'll steadfastly refuse all vaccines no matter what laws they come up with.

Twyla

Thank you, Danchi!!

Carolyn M

Danchi,

I never said that Hillary Clinton said it. I was replying to Bob Moffit - who asked for verification that Andrew Wakefield had said what was being attributed to him.

Please note that Andrew Wakefield stated that he had spoken with Donald Trump.

Regarding statements by Hillary Clinton - and those involved in her campaign - I will post some links a little later when I have some more time. I am a little busy right now, and posting these will take some time.

Benedetta

Ben Carson is fighting hard for Trump. I think there is an alliance there since the first night of the Republican debate.
I was quick to judge Ben Carson. I thought he was probably bought and paid for, but he stood there that night and told the truth about vaccines.

I sure hope they win.

Bob Moffit - I heard it out of his mouth from a U tube video.

Is my memory correct that he or was it some one else said that two years into Hillary rein - there would be mandatory vaccines?

I got more riding on this election than I can barely stand; my nerves on end.

Danchi

With all due respect to Dr. Wakefield I'm sure he hasn't had the opportunity to follow Trumps comments on vaccination. Trump has said he is PRO-Vaccine. I quote him from the Sharyl Attkisson interview he did April 10, 2016:

Donald Trump: “It’s the most unbelievable discussion I’ve ever been involved in. If you say anything about vaccines that is slightly, like…holding back the hate mail, the level of vitriol, it’s incredible when you see it. First of all, I’m a big believer in vaccines. But there could something to the theory that these massive doses that are given to children have an impact on autism. There could be something to it. Now some people say no, some people say yes, I’d like to see studies. The bottom line is they have to get vaccinated. When I was going to school as a young guy, polio was a really big problem and vaccines knocked it out. So the vaccines are very important, but we have to study the vaccines and we have to be very, very careful with vaccines.”

Clinton has said vaccines are safe effective and the science is in. I've not read where she says everyone should be vaccinated but I wouldn't doubt it. I've not read where she will make vaccines mandatory.

I would like to say I am surprised by the people who continue to think that Trump is a good person to lead the US, but I'm not. I am astounded that people continue to put party politics above being a human being. Bill Clinton is not running for President. Trump is a sexual predator and should be called out for it. The lewd Bus tape: Donald Trump - "Grab Her By The P****" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wM248Wo54U, is just a drop in the bucket of his behavior over the decades. He also lied during the debate when Anderson Cooper asked him directly did he say those things on the tape:
"Just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent?" Cooper asked.
-Trump didn't quite answer the question.
"I have great respect for women," Trump said. "Nobody has more respect for women than I do."
-Cooper pressed on.
"So for the record, you're saying you never did that?" he asked.
-Trump again dodged the question.
"I said things that, frankly, you hear these things that were said, and I was embarrassed by it, but I have tremendous respect for women and women have respect for me," he said.
-Cooper cut in, asking, "Have you ever done those things?"
Trump responded, "No I have not."

The first woman to say he was abusive publicly was his first wife in their divorce preceding. She maintained he raped her, told numerous people until she was hit with a gag order in order to receive her divorce. Her accounting of the attack was written here: http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-trumps-ex-wife-accused-him-of-brutally-1721129617.
(Ivana Trump says Trump made her feel violated-that is the characterization of rape-marital or otherwise. )

Donal Trump agreeded on Howard Sterns show with his daughter sitting next to him that he was a sexual predator when called out on it:
WATCH: When Howard Stern Joked About Trump Being a Sexual Predator in 2006, He Said ‘It’s True’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-when-howard-stern-accused-trump-of-being-a-sexual-predator-in-2006-he-said-its-true/.
You may say he was joking but combined with the pattern of behavior he has exhibited over the years its obvious. Read the articles about how he would enter the dressing rooms at the pageants he owned while the women were undressed. Crude behavior but at least the women were of age but completely inappropriate for minor girls at the Ms Teen pageants who have come out and said he came into the dressing rooms while they were undressed.

In a 1992 Entertainment Tonight video, Donald Trump greets a group of young girls at Trump Tower and then brags to the camera: "I am going to be dating her in ten years. Can you believe it?"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-girl-dating-comments-sexual-assault-claims-republican-party-a7358686.html.

Sexual assault allegations against Donald Trump: 11 women say he groped, kissed, or assaulted them
http://www.vox(dot)com/2016/10/12/13265206/trump-accusations-sexual-assaul.

It has been revealed one of his accusers has tried to re-connect with Trump via letter but the behavior is not out of the norm according to abuse experts. Summer Zervos

Trumps exculpatory witness against Ms. Leeds turns out to be extremely shady and has no proof to validate his claims except what he calls his exceptional memory: That evidence, the New York Post revealed late Friday, was the testimony of a British man named Anthony Gilberthorpe — who claims he was also on the flight on which Jessica Leeds claimed Trump groped her in the early 1980s, and that no such groping occurred.
Gilberthorpe is not a reliable character witness. He last made headlines in 2014 for claiming he'd pimped out underage boys to highly placed British politicians. (Those claims were eviscerated.) [Private Eye via Bo News-http://www.bo-ne.ws/forum/read.php?21,349795,360754.

-Trump even takes aim at his daughter by saying the following:
Trump: If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, I'd be dating her -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diMp241gAcw

-Howard Stern Show-Various audio tapes: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/
From September 2004, Stern asks Trump if he can call Ivanka "a piece of ass," to which Trump responds in the affirmative.
"My daughter is beautiful, Ivanka," says Trump.
"By the way, your daughter," says Stern.
"She's beautiful," responds Trump.
"Can I say this? A piece of ass," Stern responds.
"Yeah," says Trump.

On Ivanka Trump's physique
In more than one interview with Stern, Trump took part in conversations about Ivanka Trump's appearance, including one about the size of her breasts.
In an October 2006 interview, Stern remarks that Ivanka "looks more voluptuous than ever," and asked if she had gotten breast implants. Trump is willing to engage in the discussion about his own daughter, telling Stern that she did not get implants.
"She's actually always been very voluptuous," Trump responds. "She's tall, she's almost 6 feet tall and she's been, she's an amazing beauty."
(How many Dads refer to their daughters as Voluptuous. That's a sexual characterization.)

Actual German headline: “Ist Donald Trump ein Sexmonster?"-
It translates to: “Is Donald Trump a sex monster?”
The Bild headline shows how this looks to the rest of the world, in very stark terms. People elsewhere watch the past week of reporting, and wonder: “Do Americans really want a sex monster for their president?”

The world is laughing at the US.

Danchi

A Democrat voting for Trump
Trump doesn't give a flip about your kids or his own. Here is a statement he made to Howard Stern:

In a separate 2005 interview in April, Trump talked about how he wanted to have more kids with newlywed wife Melania: “I mean, I won’t do anything to take care of them.”
Audio: https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-said-a-lot-of-gross-things-about-women-on-howar?utm_term=.urWwOKyX9#.ecKVq2lp9

“‘Cause I like kids,” said Trump. “I mean, I won’t do anything to take care of them. I’ll supply funds and she’ll take care of the kids. It’s not like I’m gonna be walking the kids down Central Park.”

Danchi

Carolyn
I have watched the clip. He stated that if Hillary Clinton got in there would be mandatory adult and child vaccination "within 2 years".

Please provide link to where Clinton states this, not Wakefield.

Lisa

I have heard it all, seen it all, evaluated it all, and prayed over it all. I can state resolutely and with pride that I am 100 percent all in for Trump. He is not just the only presidential candidate but the only elected official of any stripe that is ever going to order a completely independent study of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children in the U.S. Hillary Clinton would never allow such a study to take place on her clock. And if it did somehow manage to get done without her knowledge, she would waste no time burying the results, along with the researchers who got those results. I am not even speaking figuratively, unfortunately. She has been playing this game her entire life.

And to those who were holding their breath waiting for Jason Chaffetz to "look into" the Thompson whistleblower story, I say to you now, please take a breath for goodness sake. It is never going to happen. Not ever.

To those who argue that a Trump presidency is not good for our nation's children, I would say to you that under Hillary it simply won't matter what kind of role model our children have, because within the next 20 years, they are all going to be so mentally handicapped that they won't know the difference anyway.

Carolyn M

@Bob Moffit,

The statement by Andrew Wakefield that you quoted is on the Vaxxed Facebook site. It is in a videotaped clip that has been posted there. A direct link to this clip can be found on Jake Crosby's website. I have watched the clip. He stated that if Hillary Clinton got in there would be mandatory adult and child vaccination "within 2 years".

Angus Files

Your traditional beliefs and hopes in Political Parties have been hijacked by money and greed in my opinion .The Political Parties in the UK were the same and are seeing massive changes back to what they stood for when they were first conceived not what they stood for over the past 20 years. Erosion to the party grassroots will take years to heal. Hilary is still doing damage to the party she stands for and Trump is getting the party he stands for back after years of pseudo beliefs.The Democratic party will definitely loose and I am going to have a bet on that one right now.

MMR RIP

Tim Lundeen

@dan burns -- Thanks :-)

Bayareamom

@Bob Moffit:

"To me, this is a one issue election .. use your vote extremely carefully. There is one person, whatever else you may think about him, who has expressed the fact that he knowns vaccines cause autism, that vaccine damage is real ... and this is an issue that will never .. in his mind lead to mandatory vaccinations .... and I had the privilege of meeting him the other day to discuss this precise issue & he is on our side. Whatever else you may thing, I want you to bear that in mind. I'm not going to tell you how to vote .. but I will say that we will not get a second chance, with Hillary Clinton getting in ... if she gets in .. there will be mandatory adult and childhood vaccinations around the entire country"

Has ANYONE from AoA or the Canary Party "confirmed" these comments as being Dr Wakefield's?"


YES. I can most definitely state that Andrew Wakefield DID state the above. I saw and heard him state this during one of his many lectures during the Vaxxed bus tour. In fact, he has stated as such on more than one occasion.

He's made it abundantly clear that he feels it's all over if Hillary is voted into office.

 ciaparker

Gayle,

I'm against Obamacare, but in favor of socialized medicine, like Medicare for everyone. Europeans who have access to socialized medicine also have access to private physicians, and many have private insurance so they can see them. But the way the system is now, many of us have no access to medical care. I was forced to get very basic Obamacare, but have never used it. It allows me ten minutes with a GP for a co-pay of $40 (which is what I paid out of pocket for an office visit to see a GP thirty years ago). I cannot see any specialist, and drugs and surgery are not included. In other words, completely worthless. And the taxpayer is paying FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH for me to have this worthless policy, which, again, I've never used. How could ANYONE see a GP often enough for this to work out to be a good deal for anyone? This is just another scam to funnel money to the medical cartel. My daughter has no insurance: it would cost $65 a month to have state-sponsored insurance for her, and since neither of us ever needs to see a doctor, it would just be throwing money out the window. This is completely unsatisfactory. If I were run over by a car or got cancer, I'd want access to allopathic health care, but I have no access at all to hospital care or an oncologist. This is not fair. Health care should be guaranteed to all US citizens, and be paid for by the government, cut out the medical insurance companies.

A Democrat voting for Trump

Really? We cannot figure this out? Hillary does not give a rip about our kids. She is a masterful liar on almost every issue, including this one. Donald Trump is a coarse oaf, but he gets the vaccine issue and has a heart. He has donated a significant sum to Generation Rescue (against whom Hillary's PR firms are leading a hate/disinformation campaign), helped raise money for at least one autism charity I know of in the tri-state area, and would likely put the right people into leadership roles at HHS, CDC and DOD. If you vote for Hillary, get ready for mandatory vaccines for everyone. Get ready eventually to not be able to board a train or plane unless you're compliant with whatever schedule her minions put into place.

And for Bob Moffitt, Wakefield put in a plug for Trump at the NYC screening of Vaxxed-I was there and heard it.

 ciaparker

Darrell Castle, of the Constitution Party, is against mandates, and I agree with him on several other of his positions. I'm going to vote for him.

Cherry Misra

@Bob Moffit, I usually type Vaxxed or Vaxxed Bus Tour into youtube and I know I have seen Dr. Wakefield speaking those words on one of the videos. I was rather surrpised to see him do that. . I wish that I could believe that this election were as simple as that.

Gayle

I agree that we are all going mad this with this presidential election about which candidate will best help the autism community. My son's doctor just told us to vote for Trump because he will shake up the NIH, CDC etc. Hillary represents the status quo and will just continue with four more years of no real change for our children. She will also uphold Obama care and that will lead to socialized medicine here like what is now in effect in France and England. The result will be that our children's standard of care will be dictated to by government officials at the CDC and NIH with no veering away from those standards. The Center for Medicaid and Medicare is already drastically cutting the money to states for adult services with long wait lists that will only get longer in the future.

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