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CNN's Sanjay Gupta was atpuG yajnaS on Vaccines in 2008

Pharmedia Circles WagonsBy Anne Dachel

On Sept 17 I wrote about the immediate reaction of the media to what was said about vaccines during the Republican candidates debate.

It's all over the news right now and I have literally dozens of stories to look at.   CNN's medical expert, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, was quick to go on the attack.

Does Dr. Sanjay Gupta or CNN have any real credibility left when it comes to vaccines and autism?

It is simply nonsense to keep saying what Gupta does, "There is no connection between vaccines and autism."  In 2008 Dr. Gupta and CNN told the world that the U.S. government said there is a link.  Now he pretends it never happened.   

CNN Sept 18, 2015, Medical experts slam Carson and Paul's view on vaccines 

Wolf Blitzer: "So Sanjay, it's a well-known fact that vaccines don't cause autism.  . . . Give us the Sanjay Guptafacts.  What's your reaction?"

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: "There is no connection between vaccines and autism. And I'll just pause there for a second because I don't want anybody to think there are any strings attached to that statement.  There just is no connection. There hasn't been.  There was a study done earlier this year, one of the largest, 96,000 children.  They looked at their history of vaccinations, looked for any correlation with autism.  It simply doesn't exist. 

"The issue that they raise as well with regard to spreading the vaccines out over time, really doesn't have merit as well.  And I think this is really an important point.  First of all, you realize this can potentially be dangerous to potentially spread out these vaccines.  When you spread out these vaccines you're leaving children essentially unvaccinated for a period of time. You're defeated that very purpose that you've given the vaccines in the first place.   So that's a huge issue.

"We used to give a much larger sort of inoculation of vaccines some time ago.  When we gave vaccines for small pox, for example, that was a much larger amount of antigen or vaccine to the child's system.  At that time, we had a much lower rate of autism.  So in fact the amount of vaccine over all has gone down and the rates of autism have gone up, so in fact, it's the exact opposite collation.  There's no reason not to get kids vaccinated on schedule."

Gupta was asked if he was surprised by what Dr. Carson said and that he didn't correct Donald Trump.   He said he was.  "This is one of those fascinating topics to me because I think the science is so clear.  And yet this a real collision of science and just social opinion on this particular topic.  I think it's impetrative actually for Dr. Carson, Dr. Paul, who's also a doctor, an ophthalmologist, to just be very clear on this, because I think it borders on being dangerous to suggest in any way that there is a problem with autism--Dr. Carson did not suggest that, others have--so to suggest that spacing out the vaccines are a good idea. 

"Look, if you have small children in your house, a child who is not vaccinated, another child who potentially is exposed to some potentially problematic disease, that child could get sick.  That child could spread that illness to other children at his or her school.  These are preventable diseases.  And as far as, again, the link to autism, that's just not true.  I think people just need to say it, be clear about it, and not equivocate."

Dr. Gupta is adamant.  If the question is autism and vaccines--THERE IS NO LINK.  There just isn't.  Gupta offers his "proof," another population study. 

According to Gupta, there also isn't any reason to spread out vaccines in the childhood schedule; it leaves too many kids vulnerable to disease.   He offers no evidence to back up this claim.

Gupta does note that there are fewer antigens in vaccines today and says that despite fewer antigens, the autism rate continues to increase.

(Actually Gupta used that argument two years ago and I wrote about it for Age of Autism.)

Surely as a doctor Gupta knows the issue of vaccines and autism is about things like mercury, aluminum, combined live viruses, human DNA and a massively expanded vaccination schedule.  Pretending that this is a controversy over antigens in individual vaccines is disingenuous to say the least.

After being so ardent in his endorsement of vaccination for all children and critical of the fact that Republican candidates dared to discuss the topic during their debate, Dr. Gupta needs to answer questions to clarify his position.  It's his responsibility as a journalist to defend his statements.

This is my open letter to Dr. Gupta at CNN.

Dr. Gupta:

Your blanket advocacy of the ever-increasing vaccine schedule as safe for all children is troubling to say the least. This is the most heated topic in pediatric medicine, yet you dismiss it out-of hand and cite a "study done this year" as proof as safety.  What you're talking about is yet another epidemiological study.  We've have years of them and they haven't settled anything.   As a physician, I'm sure you're aware that population studies can only show associations, not what causes or does not a disease.   

Also in 2008 the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of NIH, was on CBS News.  She talked about looking for "the susceptible children"--ones who might be injured by a vaccine.   "I think we have the tools today that we didn't have 10 years ago, the we didn't have 20 years ago, to try and tease that out, to find out if indeed there is that susceptible group.  . . . Maybe there is a group of individuals or a group of children that shouldn't have a particular vaccine or shouldn't have vaccines on the same schedule. . . .

"It is the job of public health officials and of physicians to be out there and to say, 'Yes, we can make it safer. . . . '"

Dr. Healy challenged  the claim of health officials that vaccines do not cause autism.  "I think you can't say that, and part of the--you can't say that.  . . .

"I think the government or certain public health officials in the government have been too quick to dismiss the concerns of these families without studying the population that got sick.  I haven't seen major studies that focus on 300 kids who got autistic symptoms within a period of few weeks of getting a vaccine.  . . . I think they often have been to quick to dismiss studies in the animal laboratory, either in mice, in primates that do show some concerns with regard to certain vaccines and also to the mercury preservative in vaccines. 

"The government has said, in a report by the Institute of Medicine. . . in 2004 that basically said, 'Do not pursue susceptibility groups, don't look for those children who may be vulnerable. I really take issue with that conclusion. . . . "

CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson reiterated Healy's comment saying that officials refuse to honestly look into this controversy "largely because they're afraid of what might be found."   Healy said yes, they essentially are. 

Healy also addressed the use of population studies to dismiss any link between vaccines and autism.  "Populations do not test causality. They test associations. You have to go into the laboratory and you have to do designed research studies in animals."

Dr. Gupta, Dr. Healy said that when she first heard of a link between vaccines and autism, she thought it was "silly," but after actually looking into the topic, she changed her mind.  "The more you delve into it,  if you look at the basic science, if you look at the research that's been done in animals, if you also look at some of these individual cases, and if you look at the evidence that there is no link, what I come away with is, the question has not been answered."

Every one of her concerns is still a valid concern today, seven years later.  (The only real difference today is that the autism rate in now one in every 68 kids and in 2008, it was one in every 150.) Experts still rely on easily flawed and manipulated population studies.  The mounting independent research showing serious concerns about vaccine safety is still ignored by mainstream medicine, health officials and the media.  No one has ever looked into which children may be vulnerable to vaccine injury.  You yourself seem to imply there is no risk of a vaccine reaction. 

Seven years ago you also made public statements which seem to contradict everything you're saying today about the link between vaccines and autism.  In 2008, the big news was the case of Hannah Poling, the young Georgia girl whose case of vaccine induced autism was settled before it ever was heard by the Federal Court of Claims.  Medical experts at HHS investigated her claim that the vaccines for nine different diseases she received in one doctor's vaccine resulted in her autism and other health problems.  You're familiar with this story because you actually interviewed her father, Dr. Jon Poling, a neurologist.  This was part of your interview with Dr. Poling on CNN.

Gupta: "We are here with Dr. Jon Poling, .he's the father of Hannah Poling.  Her case of autism diagnosis was conceded by the federal government as having been contributed to by vaccines.  That was a pretty startling thing, I think, for a lot of people to hear.  We talked to a lot of experts about this.  They say vaccines in no way cause autism.  You're a neurologist.  You're also the father of Hannah.  What do you say?"

Poling: "I think you bring up a really important point. The government, actually the Dept. of Health and Human Services, conceded that my daughter's medical problems, which are autism encephalopathy, seizures, were brought on by vaccination."

Gupta: "That's startling for a lot of people to hear that because we've been taught for so long-I'm a doctor, you're a doctor, we go to medical school.  There's so many good things about vaccines.  They prevent life-threatening illnesses.  But in your daughter's case, it turned out to be a problem."

Nothing you said in the rest of the interview challenged what Dr. Poling claimed.  I wrote about it in 2011.

You didn't tell Poling that it was dangerous talking about this.  You didn't say that his daughter's autism couldn't possibly have been the result of her vaccinations.  Both you and CNN have given viewers two opposing positions on this critical topic.  It's time you did more than just tell parents they should vaccinate without any real evidence that vaccines are truly safe for all children. 

We don't know which children may be vulnerable to vaccine injury.  No one has ever done what Dr. Healy called for, determine what children may be susceptible to a side effect. 

Dr. Gupta, can you name any other medical procedure or product that you would recommend for every child, regardless of any predisposition for a reaction?  I can't think of anything that would qualify, yet you do so when it comes to vaccines. 

There are serious concern over your past and present coverage of this debate.  I think it's time you followed the advice of Dr. Bernadine Healy instead of attacking those who raise legitimate concerns.

Sincerely,

Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

 

 

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Tim Lundeen

There is an excellent analysis of the Jain study at http://vaccinepapers.org/review-of-jain-et-al-jama-2015-and-comments-on-mmr-autism/

"The Jain et al results are essentially meaningless. The reason why Jain et al. find no MMR-autism association is simply because of the effect of autism on parental vaccination choices, not the other way around. When parents observe autism or autism traits, they avoid vaccination, and the result is that autistic children wind up in the “unvaccinated” group. Obviously, this is a highly misleading effect that strongly conceals an autism-causing effect of MMR."

"ALL vaccines, including MMR, cause autism. This is all but proven by the immune activation research. But this is not observable in the Jain et al study due to its failure to control for the effect of autism on parental vaccination behavior."

"The Jain study only looked at MMR. Media reports about this study have falsely and deceptively asserted that the Jain study shows that vaccines in general do not cause autism. In reality, the Jain study says nothing about other vaccines. The MMR vaccine is the only vaccine that has been much studied in relation to autism, and most of the MMR-autism studies are flawed, deceptive or associated with criminality. The other likely more dangerous aluminum-containing vaccines, given at younger ages, have hardly been studied at all. It is a blatant lie to claim that the science shows “vaccines” do not cause autism."

"The science actually shows the opposite. Controlled animal experiments overwhelmingly prove that immune activation (and interleukin-6 specifically) in the developing brain causes autism. Animal experiments also prove that aluminum adjuvant causes brain damage, at dosages human infants routinely receive from vaccines."

Billie Joe

There needs to be mantra questions and answers from people who are permitted to speak to these people on the air.

Talking points.... from everyone like a broken record. It is how they control the population. It needs to be used to control the message. Read Ed Bernays "Propaganda" That is the tool they are using. Use it against them

Kathryn

Dr. Gupta: "The issue that they raise as well with regard to spreading the vaccines out over time, really doesn't have merit as well. And I think this is really an important point. First of all, you realize this can potentially be dangerous to potentially spread out these vaccines. When you spread out these vaccines you're leaving children essentially unvaccinated for a period of time. You're defeated that very purpose that you've given the vaccines in the first place. So that's a huge issue."

Seriously, the spacing between the vaccines has no basis in science. It is based on how often do they think parents will bring in their kids and will the doctors have room on their schedules. If they thought that they could get them into the doctor more frequently, they would make the schedule reflect that. Ugh! His replies aren't any more valid than a person off the street.

cia parker

Sad,
You're right: they COULD use the unvaxed people in many other countries, but they would have many different background factors that would be claimed to eliminate them as valid study subjects. They're not going to get that far, though.

Sad

If the vaccinators can just hang on a few more years, the only people not vaccinated cannot be the control group in a vaccinated vs non vaccinated study....The vaccinators are desperate and running out of time and options.. Hence, mandatory vaccines for everyone to muddy the water for good. The vaccinators will delay the study until it truly is impossible to find enough people for the control group

cia parker

Linda,
He's alluding to the bogus De Stefano study about how kids in the '70s got the old whole-cell DPT, which had many more different disease antigens than the simpler current acellular version. You're right: every vaccine ingredient becomes a potent antigen, the disease pathogens as well as the preservatives, adjuvants, detergents, and foreign proteins from the culture material as well as the pathogens themselves. And every shot represents a new assault on the immune system. There is zero relevant comparison to be made between the old DPT given five times and the new excessive vaccine schedule. Is there anyone out there who believes this crap? De Stefano appears to be capable of nothing but fraudulent studies.

Tony Bateson

Hello Cia
I am pleased for you but your lovely daughter is an exception. If I felt I had room I would have qualified my comments to say that these hormonal manifestations are over represented. Furthermore the University of Western Australia has just reported similar findings that both autistic boys and girls reveal high proportions of elevated testosterone features. My findings are based on the more than two hundred autistic kids I have known over forty five years working in the field. Professional staff working at residential centres confirm my view. As Boyd Haley said in 2002 "it's no crime to be somewhat testosteronal - it's what happens to you at that vulnerable point". World famous scientists including Simon Baron-Cohen recognise the role of testosterone, Baron-Cohen saying "that testosterone runs through these families like a river". Elevated testosterone is the single most important anomaly in amniocentesis fluid taken from births subsequently diagnosed with autism. It is indisputable. My daughter too is gorgeous perhaps I am one of the few that know how frequently she has to shave her legs.
PS Did you know American men and Brits have taken to testosterone shots over the last thirty years - almost five and a half millions of them?
Tony Bateson, Oxford UK

cia parker

Tony,

My 15-year old autistic daughter is neither hirsute nor muscular, but is a pretty young girl with long blond Italian curls and blue eyes. An old friend said two years ago that he bet I was worried about "Marilyn Monroe" over there making me a grandmother. She suffered vaccine encephalitis, which damaged the language center of her brain. There seem to be different types of autism, but my daughter doesn't seem to have any hormonal abnormalities.

The autistic daughter of the blogger who created Regardingcaroline.com is thin and slight, not masculinized in any way. Kim's daughters are also pretty young girls and not masculinized. I don't think your definition is accurate for all autistic females.

Linda1

"We used to give a much larger sort of inoculation of vaccines some time ago. When we gave vaccines for small pox, for example, that was a much larger amount of antigen or vaccine to the child's system. At that time, we had a much lower rate of autism. So in fact the amount of vaccine over all has gone down and the rates of autism have gone up, so in fact, it's the exact opposite collation. There's no reason not to get kids vaccinated on schedule."

As if the only ingredient in vaccines is the antigen. As if dosing with one antigen even at larger amounts is the same as being injected with 9 different antigens and the toxic crap that comes with each of them, at the same time, and then repeated every few months.

Angus Files

Guptka is annoyed at who turned up at the party ,open to all contenders..lol.


MMR RIP

John Stone

Sanjay is Sick

The way I imagine he reasons it is that if he told truth once now he would lose his job, and then they would get someone who would tow the line anyway - so he looks after number one. This is perhaps replicated across the entire media. There are the people who remain silent, there are the people who mislead (some unknowingly but many not) and there are people who lie. But I rather think Sanjay is among the last (cringing all the way to the bank).

Sanjay is sick

People like Sanjay Gupta have completely sold out our children. He makes me sick. CNN is pure garbage.

Tony Bateson

There is an undeniable link between autism and testosterone reported upon by many scientists and in fact clearly observable both in autism parents and their boy and girl children. Nearly all autistic boys are distinctly male in muscularity, hirsuteness, strength etc., girls too. I have never set eyes on a 'girlie' autistic female. If the testosterone link is blindingly obvious it is a short step to mercury one of the most toxic substances on earth, banned in hundreds of regulations covering consumer goods. Worlds' last mercury mine closed on WHO request etc. Toxic as it is it is immensely more toxic in conjunction with testosterone. It kills neurons damages the central nervous system and leads to autism and possibly also to ADHD where it has just been disclosed this condition is strongly skewed towards males like autism. Baby boys have the testosterone and are five times more likely to be affected perhaps by both conditions, those girls that do have elevated testosterone are the ones that get to be autistic and maybe ADHD.

Tony Bateson, Oxford UK

Benedetta

Other reasons for regression- besides vaccines hmmmmmm ---- Oh yeah - parents heavily vaccinated and then their kid regesses because of - Tylenol -- eating their GMO wheaties in that hormone, antibiotic treated
milk--?

John Stone

Thanks Anne. These were comments I made to a journalist in April about the Jain study (the one being cited by Gupta):

"Basically, they are comparing two groups that have been heavily MMRed but this is based on billing records - they don't really know their vaccination status. Nor do they really know their autism status (they may very well not have gone to the insurer with the diagnosis). It focusses on MMR when many children may already be on a downward slope because of the many earlier vaccines. TOO MANY CONFOUNDERS The data is junk and they are comparing very odd things, not vaccinated vs unvaccinated. If you look at the discussion they admit many limitations in the data (why do it at all?)

"The study which was commissioned by the NIH and touted as a clincher by Insel at the OGR committee last May is very weak and commissioned from a medical insurer and its satellites. Drexel University which hosted the study was the one that Thorsen was forced to resign from in 2010 and often partners with Offit's CHOP (for instance). Also note that Insel said it was due in 3 months on 20 May 2014, so it comes 8 months late, released a day ahead of crucial votes in California and Vermont. DROWNING IN CONFLICT"

Bob Moffitt

Dr. Gupta:

"There was a study done earlier this year, one of the largest, 96,000 children. They looked at their history of vaccinations, looked for any correlation with autism. It simply doesn't exist."

If I am not mistaken .. this is the same "study" that Sharyl Attkisson wrote about:

"A new study this week found no link between vaccines and autism. It instantly made headlines on TV news and popular media everywhere. Many billed it as the final word, “once again,” disproving the notion that vaccines could have anything to do with autism.

What you didn’t learn on the news was that the study was from a consulting firm that lists major vaccine makers among its clients: The Lewin Group.

That potential conflict of interest was not disclosed in the paper published in The New England Journal of Medicine; the study authors simply declare “The Lewin Group operates with editorial independence.”
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It is one thing for a supposed "experts" .. including Dr. Guptka .. to cite a particular study as conclusive "scientific evidence" there is no link between vaccines and autism .... it is quite another when those very same "experts" deliberately conceal information revealing the obvious "conflicts of interests" of those who conducted the study.

How do these people sleep at night?


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