Well, well:

The picture for this article has the sign - nice sign

And who is holding the sign - why Pan!

And then when asked what would happen to kids whose parents refused to vaccinate --

He says they can home school.

Soooo some how there is some moral in here that I should not have to o pay my property taxes - since it goes to the school for teachers and buildings and materials, and is suppose to be for "ALL" children - if not - then -- ?

Yes, Georg, it is all outrageous, hep b is a sexually transmitted disease, one which is not even mandated until an older age in most countries. Some countries like France have even taken it off the mandated list since it is associated with more serious adverse events (the aluminum?).

This is all an outrageous trampling on of people's rights to their own bodies and frankly, I am surprised that they are surprised that so many are so angry. I think that in the statistics there were a good many people who selectively vaccinated and now we are seeing more of those people (people who had a middle ground) come out to fight. Where are all the actors in this? I'm sure they are among the many who selectively or do not vaccinate.

SB277 is forced permanent quarantine of healthy citizens who refuse drugs.

Imagine a jury trial replacing jurors with people who weren't there for the trial at the end right before the jury decides. This is no different and should be illegal. It's ridiculous.

I'm sorry that the senators feelings are hurt in finding that the People are upset over their threatening their children, their lives, their homes and their livelihood if they are forced to homeschool or move to another state or possibly another country because of the actions of these senators. Americans aren't supposed to be upset because their RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS is being THREATENED?

IN AMERICA?

We're supposed to be pleasant and well mannered and all smiles as they destroy us? Is that what Thomas Jefferson said? Is that what the founders of this country intended when they left (and fought to the death) England and wrote the American Constitution?

http://vaccineriskawareness.com/

Updated this month the link above tells US citizens how the UK Health Services regard mandatory vaccinations. It may include a few helpful approaches along the way. Overall doctors and the BMJ are against the idea so far.

http://themomstreetjournal.com/2015/04/15/does-big-pharma-own-america/#comment-1196

Here's a Senator I can get on board with (at least on this issue). I do not agree with him re his pro-vaccine stance, but that's okay. I DO applaud him, however, for taking a reasonably held, well thought out, opinion regarding SB277:

Here he is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkERBl6LnL0&feature=youtu.be

Unfortunately, there are others involved with this process that are NOT reasonable; those vaccine zealots who have an agenda and will ultimately push through this legislation come hell or high water. It is our corrupted system which allows for this type behavior.

So now someone has decided that playing 'musical chairs' with this piece of legislation, is acceptable.

Consider the fact that Senator Liu KNEW, as did every single legislator sitting on that panel, that these two seats were going to be vacated, yet THEY DID NOT MAKE THIS FACT KNOWN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS SITTING IN THAT ROOM DURING THIS LAST HEARING.

That's unconscionable. And rightfully so, those same Senators received a tremendous amount of angry callers, calling into their offices today. THEY WERE ANGRY. And they had a right to be angry.

While I understand Dr. Sears' admonishment to those that may have called today and raised a huge ruckus into these legislators' offices today, I also completely understand the righteous anger these people held, given what has just transpired.

This is no conspiracy theory we've witnessed today here in our state. We've now witnessed the corruption (due to many back door discussions, I can assure you) re this bill.

They ARE going to push this bill through. Oh and one more thing just crossed my mind as I type this:

Pan's now been given the 'pleasure' of revamping his bill, until the next meeting which will be held next week. It has been stated to Dr. Sears today via phone call that SB277 WILL BE AMENDED.

But this newly amended bill WILL NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC DISCOURSE. In other words, they will now have a newly written bill, NOT DISCUSSED BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING, which will then go directly to vote - next week.

When inquiries were made of these legislators by some of their constituents today re the above, the reply put forth was that given there has already been public discourse on this bill, there is now no need to further discuss those issues when this newly written/amended bill is put forth for vote next week. Constituents have been told that IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, they will proceed to vote once that amended bill is discussed by the panel.

But what if this amended bill's language contains information which would then give rise to NEW issues, issues NOT YET DISCUSSED during public discourse during the other two hearings?

However, when one constituent asked if the public could, at the minimum, be allowed to sit in during next week's panel discussion, the answer was yes. So I would imagine there will be further efforts to make sure the public is present during this meeting next week.

Senator Runner used to be our assembly member and I think she would vote against this tyrannical bill. I know she'll be getting e-mails this week, including from me. Not that it would make that much difference since Monning is coming in, for one. What timing! The majority of the committee members really are disconnected from the daily pain of vaccine injured children and their families. And this law, lived out in the real world, would further harm these already vaccine injured children that families are working so hard to heal. The real epidemics are caused by vaccines: Autism, severe allergies, seizures, SIDS, to name a few, but by their actions, they show they don't give a hoot.

Great photo to illustrate this story btw!

Why don't we get the people who make those anti smoking commercials do the same treatment with vaccines and their ingredients?

Senator Huff's channel clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkERBl6LnL0

http://calchannel.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=2742

My probably not perfect attempt to transcribe Pan's statement referencing MMR research:

03:04:40, "When you talk about,... do you have children who may be partially immunized...if you have, for example the MMR, the measles, mumps, rubella, is the one that's gotten the most in the news, because unfortunately, because of a debunked study, a fraudulent study that was (inaudible?) that said MMR is associated with autism and we know that from the research that that repeated numerous studies, billions of children, that there's no relationship between the two, all right. But yet, you still have people saying that my child is either vaccine damaged or I'm not getting immunized because of... and they may say, ok, I'm not going to give the MMR vaccine, we'll give the other ones....the important thing is, are we at 95% for the MMR..."

We do have another option rather than voting them out next election if they vote in favor of this bill. Colorado showed their anger over the gun legislation and RECALLED two legislatiors. I think that is a better plan since it will be effective quicker. We need to show our anger quick and firmly. I have two sons who have suffered for years with asthma and severe skin problems, many hospital trips after being vaccinated. One of my sons still has the first Forrest Bird respirator bought for him by Blue Cross when he was a child and having daily Asthma attacks. Shirley Oster desertlady3O AT EARTHLINK.NET

Just fond this tidbit:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/15-16/bill/sen/sb_0251-0300/sb_277_cfa_20150414_112746_sen_comm.html

Senator Huff @ 3:12:50 in the archived Senate Education Committee video for April 15th:

http://calchannel.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=2742

I felt like he made some of the more informed points, maybe the most demonstrated level of being informed (or at least of being willing to speak in opposition with some of the pertinent information) on the subject out of both California committee hearings so far ...

Linda 1;
I think that Pan being a pediatrician means he had been taught a lot of lies from institutions that he believes and has faith in.

If he did not set up private practice very long before he went into the government -

Then he probably does not know.

Most Peds after being in private practice very long become very familiar that vaccines are a problem.

The last time I saw my kids Peds was down in a private lab - huddled, nervously around me - like two sheep killing dogs.

My kids and I had educated them - to my sorry

Ok this is scary - Senators are being added to and removed from this committee? Who has the power to do that, and for what reasons? I knew there would be arm twisting and propagandizing behind the scenes, but it did not occur to me that they might be able to simply replace enough committee members to pass it?

I think there's an end game and I wouldn't be surprised if Pan is personally invested in it.

Think of the epidemic of vaccine injuries in terms of the BP oil spill, the unregulated shots as Halliburton's faulty valve and its purchase of Boots and Coots oil cleanup co. right before the disaster as privatized Child Protective Services. Then think of Dependency Court as an even more bleak and terrifying version of Vaccine Court, one with no rule of law, no discovery and gag orders galore. But instead of fighting the government for compensation, you're fighting to get your child back from the state-- meaning no lawyer will work on contingency on your behalf.

Every family of moderate or low income-- those who can't afford to put a lawyer on long term retainer or battle the embedded OCR or biased due process system-- knows what happens if you remove a disabled child from school due to physical abuse by staff or simply to lobby for legally required school services. The school will file truancy charges, the state investigates, and you risk losing custody of your child to an increasingly privatized state care system.

There really is no homeschool option under the CA system other than through a private or public school. Few can afford certified private tutors. So Pan and cronies understand that the families who hold out, stay in the state and scramble for other options will be thrown into the Child Protective Services gears, a system which is increasingly privatized and for profit, receiving both federal incentives (with bonuses for grabbing disabled children), kickbacks from private psychiatric gulags, group homes, foster care and adoption corporations. Wards of the state are also prime test subjects since they can be submitted for drug trials and research without consent, without benefit to the child and at "significant risk of harm."

It's not easy, but someone needs to find out the names of the major foster care and adoption corporations in California and related entities and track who's on the boards. I think some familiar names will crop up.

The way to make senators and other elected officials care about what the general population wants, or doesn't want -- threaten to VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE at the next election.

Even if they don't care about anything else, they care about getting re-elected.

Registered voters expressing their opinion in HANDWRITTEN letters that actually get delivered by the U.S. Post Office. They care about that. E-mail, too easy to duplicate or replicate.

So send an actual letter on paper, hand-addressed envelope. Say that if the unwanted action proceeds, he will be voted out of office.

That gets attention.

Just to clarify, my point in bringing up the home/health education program is precisely because the immuno-compromised students Pan professes to want to protect ARE being protected, by offering to them this home/health program.

NONE of this makes any sense, on any level, however, because students typically attend school who have various illnesses, i.e., the common cold, flu...you name it. Same with the teachers who will get up and go to work when they're not feeling 100%, either. The fact that recently vaccinated kids, depending on the type vaccine received, can actually spread live viral disease(s) to others, including those already vaccinated, is an issue. Simply because a student is vaccinated does not mean that student won't become ill...for whatever the reason.

And don't get me started on our academic system in this country, because that's yet another issue. We're fighting to keep our kids in our schools which provide a crappy education at best (my husband and I have done our research on that issue during our advocacy days when our son was still in school).

This entire issue just drives me crazy. There are SO many issues and layers of issues with all of this and as I view this hearing, I can't help but shout out at my computer screen that the right questions ARE NOT being asked.

I would have loved to have attended this last hearing, but yet knowing myself the way I do, it would have driven me stark raving mad at the same time. Given the other issues I'm forced to contend with in my personal life (and I don't think most would want to trade with me), I can see it's best that I didn't attend these hearings.

It drives me insane to witness the level of naivete with these legislators when it pertains to the vaccination issue. Just drives me nuts. I just don't have the patience to see, time and time again, the lack of knowledge most people have when it comes to this issue. In this day and age with the Internet and the plethora of information out there, NO ONE should be as naive as most people are when it comes to this issue. The information IS out there, if one chooses to find it.

FOR ME, witnessing our son's vaccine reactions was all I needed to know that something was amiss...something just wasn't right re the information we'd been given about vaccines. I had to learn to trust myself to learn the truth.

I am so sick and tired of the BS being spewed with this issue, that it's become almost intolerable for me any longer to continue watching this!

I'm going off on a rant here, and I do apologize, but I think I'm actually going to have to pull away from all of this and hope for the best and that is that truth, honesty and the hearts of those continuing in this fight will prevail. Our son will soon be 22 years old; we no longer have to deal with this issue, unless/until they come after us...which they will. Then perhaps I'll find my way back in the trenches...fighting the good fight.

I'm really glad to have witnessed the NUMBERS of people who showed up this time. We had a good turnout re AB2109, but nothing like this, but that's more than likely because this is a broader issue, potentially impacting many more on various levels.

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings...and she's still singing. They've given Pan a week to revamp this horrific bill. That alone raises my spidey sense. I don't like it. They should have KILLED this thing in committee yesterday, but they didn't. Someone commented that should Pan revamp this bill according to the issues which were raised during committee, it would then make this bill a moot issue.

Pan's already been caught lying since AB2109, when at that time he declared on the record that he would NOT remove the PBE from Californians.

Yet here we are.

I pray and hope they kill this idiotic piece of legislation next week.

Let's ask each senator to ask dr pan:
Since you are so sure this is safe, and care so much about the herd, let's be leaders in this way too: Let's restore liability to doctors and practices and health insurers and pharma in California in the case of vaccine injury and restore jury trials to determine if there is injury as a condition of passing any bill limiting exemption?
And dr pan if you are not comfortable with this---why not??!!!! You are asking parents to bear this burden alone.
In fact folks let's get a referendum that restores full exemptions and restores liability including jury and discovery in CA and get this back! And reimburses school districts too!

A commenter posted the following information re immunocompromised children/the right to a continued public education: https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniansAgainstSB277

"...My mother is a home hospital teacher that works for a school district. She said children in chemo, children with cystic fibrosis, MRSA, West Nile virus (just to name a few) cannot attend school! If they catch a common cold it is deadly to them! Therefore the school district provides these children with a home hospital teacher. These teachers go to the immuno-compromised child's home, and teaches them the public school curriculum. We need the senators to know about these program! Here is the link to find more info about home hospital instruction. http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/eo/hh/

Home & Hospital Instruction - Educational Options (CA Dept of Education)

School districts provide home and hospital instruction to maintain instructional continuity during a student's temporary disability.
cde.ca.gov

This is vital information these legislators must be apprised about. Our state does provide home education for those students who, for whatever health reasons, are not able to attend school.

I was actually placed into one of these type programs when I was a kid, living in Ohio. I had pneumonia and was kept out of school for around 3 weeks. My own teacher would come to our home for I think it was two or three times per week and go over with me the classroom lessons. I was required to perform my work at home and would be instructed by this teacher at home until I was able to attend my classes.

I don't believe Pan seemed to know about this program; if he's aware of it, he did not mention this during the hearing.

At one point in the hearing, a senator asked Dr. Sears to come up and talk about Varicella shedding because Dr. Pan presents the bill as being to protect the immune compromised from the unvaccinated. Dr. Sears obliged by presenting an FDA report that clearly states that after receiving chicken pox vaccine, children can shed the virus through their secretions for 6 weeks, proving that vaccinated children can be a danger to the immune compromised child. The senator then asked Pan to respond. It was stunning to see Pan stutter and as you say, Kent, panic and then pass the question on to another doctor there that he had as backup. Stunning that Pan who is a pediatrician aggressively campaigning for the forced vaccination of all children doesn't know off the top of his head the most basic science of these vaccines. He either didn't know that live viral vaccines cause shedding or he wanted to put through his agenda despite knowing.

It was good too, to see another senator oppose the wording in the bill that would allow public health officials to add whatever new vaccine they wanted without having to ask the legislature. She said there is no way that she would go along with that.

California Education Committee changes were made this morning, see http://sedn.senate.ca.gov/ for the new list.

Huff is replaced (he would have voted against SB277) by Sharon Runner (R, she voted against SB2109 2 years ago but unknown views on SB277). Senator Monning (D) was added as the 9th member, he voted for SB277 last week.

I do not currently live in CA, but I am a 3rd generation California native. All 3 of my children were born in CA and suffered varying degrees of vaccine injury (one is permanently and severely injured). I have been watching this issue in CA very closely, as many in my family still live there and will be directly affected if this passes.
This bill is absolutely horrendous. Thanks to all of you who made the effort to attend and give a voice to all who oppose this travesty of a bill.
I have to believe the intelligent citizens of California will NOT allow this to pass! It's unbelievable something like this has even gotten this far.

We need the Whistle Blower hearings and improved vaccine safety, NOT mandates.

Get the word out about the short film (7minutes) "If car companies were run like vaccine companies), it could even be shown here. It's a must-see and really shows how unethically run the CDC and pharma is. I think if it's mostly Dems voting this Bill in then California saying yes to SB277 will be their undoing for the upcoming election. Midterms showed us that people are sick of corruption and nanny state.

Kent--Great job yesterday. Watched live stream--twice. The parade of opposers was beautiful. My take is a bit more optimistic than yours.

Based on questions asked (and unanswered by Pan or Allen), the committee members view SB 277 as an attack on California's public education system. I don't think Pan can recover from this.

He was exposed as a hack trying to make his political bones on the backs of a non-existent epidemic and a fading news story at the expense of Californian parents and children.

The line up at the public microphone of those voicing support of SB 277 was obviously a group of Sacramento lobbyists primarily.

Liu's final comments to Pan were devastating: "If a vote were held now, this bill would not pass committee."

Because of such a long and emotional morning, I think Liu did the right thing to pause, let the boil settle to a simmer, then let the committee reject this atrocity and avoid the controversy of yesterday.

Was it just me, or did the lobbyists seem a bit embarrassed at the microphone, like they got caught with hand in cookie jar?

"Four of the members grilled him on what he was going to do about the children who would be thrown out of school and what he planned to do with them. "

Translation: Four of the members *who also have not vaccinated their kids* grilled him on what he was going to do about the children who would be thrown out of school and what he planned to do with them.

BTW -- Australia, with tying welfare payments to vaccination, should also be commended for coming up with a truly creative solution for hassling the underclass into accepting vaccines, while also preserving exemptions for the ruling 'elites'!

Well done California . Great NEWS . 1100 turned out !
NEXT time lets make it 11,000 .

In the meantime Mr Pan , you are welcome to vaccinate yourself & your entire extended family to the full extent of the schedule .

Kent - use of this analogy is exactly right .
"or, Heaven forbid, those racial laws in Germany before World War II which led to you-know-what?"

I suspect they will concentrate their attentions on the highly flouridated Australia next .

The breaking of the Nuremberg Code means nothing to these criminals

Kent, I sent all the senators on your list a link to Andy speaking on the steps of the Texas State Capitol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGGe5sbgcYA

Thanks for making this easy.