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Board of Health New York City Votes to Mandate Flu Vaccine for Tots

Crying libertyBy Anne Dachel

The Board of Health in New York City has voted to make the flu shot mandatory for kids in preschool and daycare.  
 
Melody Anne Butler, RN, founder of Nurses Who Vaccinate, and John Gilmore, Autism Action Network, discussed the flu vaccine requirement for young children in NYC. New York News
 
Butler: "The flu shot has been clinically proven to save lives and the earlier you start, six months and older, you help protect children,  And when you protect children, you're also protecting families. . . . "
 
In answer to the question of people getting the flu despite having gotten a flu shot, Butler said, "Yes, but they'll also get a less severe version of it.  And the more people who get the flu shot, the less people who actually contract the disease."
 
Gilmore: "The flu shot isn't nearly as effective as people are led to believe it is.  There are study after study that show it effectiveness is questionable. There are a great deal of side effects associated with it.  There isn't good evidence that it is effective at all in young children."

John was asked about the "tie into autism."
 
Gilmore: "At this age group, that's not really an issue.  What is an issue is neurological damage. All you have to do is read the package insert for the flu shot and it's right there that it can cause Guillain-Barre Syndrome and a variety of neurological problems.  We just don't think it's called for.  If parents want to give their child this shot, they can do it.  They can go to any drug store and do it.  We don't see any reason why it should be forced upon them by the city of New York.  These will be the only citizens in the state of New York who are required by law to get this shot."
 
Butler then talked about how effective vaccines are in preventing disease.
 
Gilmore: "I disagree with that.  Just this week, in the New England Journal of Medicine, a study came out that said the review showed reliable evidence of influenza vaccine is thin, but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusion and spurious notoriety of the studies."


 
Butler tried to insinuate that Gilmore's information was "from the Internet" and he corrected her that it was from the New England Journal of Medicine.
 
Butler advised parents to talk to their pediatricians and go to the websites for the CDC, VaccinateYourBaby.org,, Voices for Vaccines because "these are credible websites."  
 
One of the Fox anchors added that six months sounded "so young" to be given this vaccine.
 
John got in the statement, "There's no evidence in the medical literature that it even works at six months. That's not even in dispute."
 
Butler agreed that this was true "because it's very hard to find children who are going to be studied in that setting. . . ."
 
Gilmore: "This is the Lancet, one of the most influential medical journals in the world: 'Immunization of very young children is not lent support by our findings.  We've recorded no convincing evidence that vaccines can reduce mortality, admission to hospitals, and community transmission of influenza.'"
 
At the end we were shown a clip of one of the anchors getting vaccinated by Dr. Oz.  He added, "I have gotten sick from this before."  
 
Gilmore added, "But it was your choice." 
 
Melody Anne Butler promoted the flu vaccine as safe and effective.  I question her contention that the higher the vaccination rate, the fewer people who get the flu.  
 
What does it tell the audience that an advocate from an autism group was in this discussion?  --The controversy over vaccines and autism is very much alive.  
 
Unfortunately there was no discussion of the use of mercury in much of the vaccine available and the fact that doctors, including Dr. Oz, have no liability for damage from this vaccine, but just the fact that the public is told that there are peoplewho  oppose this mandate was huge.
 
Anne Dachel is Media Editor for Age of Autism.

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Lou;
I am sorry to be so slow.
You are saying that all this push to get our flu shots is because those that have had flu shots are more likely to come down with deadily flu strains?

So, that is why there is this unrelenting "Get Your Flu Shot" Campaign?
even if it kills fetuses?

You all got to admit that "Get Your Flu shot" is way over the top???

I thought they were being just greedy little pigs?
or maybe not many people are getting it and they are getting desperate to unlosd unused vaccines

"Avian H7N9 influenza in China has an unusual demographic – a high proportion of the victims are elderly men. Perhaps they have more exposure to poultry farms, but elderly men are also the most likely demographic to be vaccinated against previous influenzas. This is a clue that influenza may be like dengue fever – exposure to one strain may make you more susceptible to another strain."

http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3037?tab=responses

So is this why EVERYONE is getting the "H1N1 vaccine" in their MUST HAVE "seasonal flu vaccine"? I guess you know my answer. They are setting us up for the Pandemic. For god's sake spread the word.

We should remember the "H1N1 virus" is a bio-lab made bio-engineered CONCOCTION consisting of components from human, swine and bird viruses, originating on six continents that could ONLY HAVE been man made.

We have UNDENIABLE epidemiological evidence those who received the "seasonal flu vaccine" were TWICE as likely to get seriously sick from the H1N1 virus.

“Several epidemiologic investigations were conducted over the summer of 2009, and the results are now in. Seasonal flu shot DID increase the risk of catching swine flu Shockingly the US Public Health Service has COMPLETLEY ignored these findings and the flu shot that will be given in the US this fall will be combined with H1N1, which based on the findings above, will actually INCREASE the risk of flu and its complications.” Doctor Joseph Mercola MD ,Note well folks that sure makes the decision on getting the “Flu Vaccine” easy

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/07/03/canada-virtually-eliminates-flu-deaths-while-us-has-thousands.aspx

We have UNDENIABLE epidemiological evidence those pregnant women received the "H1N1 vaccine" were FORTY times as likely to to lose their fetuses.

H1N1 "vaccine" a disaster for Fetuses. Fetal death 100 times greater in H1N1 "vaccinated"

"Based on the aforementioned outcomes showing an increased risk of miscarriage and stillbirth in the pregnant women who received this vaccine and the clear lack of “confirmed” A-2009-H1N1-caused maternal deaths, it appears that the 2009-A-H1N1 flu shot vaccination was “clearly needed” in the 2009-2010 flu season solely if the intention of the United States government and its pharmaceutical partners was to test the new clinically untested vaccine on an unsuspecting pregnant population. Another possible reality is the unthinkable — “population-control experimentation." H1N1 vaccine a disaster for Fetuses. Fetal death 100 times greater in vaccinated

http://www.progressiveconvergence.com/Statistical%20correction%20Exhibit4.pdf

My goodness folks how much more do we need? NO NEEDLES no time for nothing.

"This story suggesting that the 1918 flu vaccine deaths were actually caused by a lack of antibiotics--- and by ASPIRIN , in the NYTIMES, blew my mind:"

The true story of 1918 will blow your mind. It is worth putting in the hours to understand what did actually happen in 1918 because it is VERY likely we are to see a rerun of 1918 in our upcoming Political Pandemic.

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie—deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent,persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917–1963)

"In 1918 those treated in the US by Osteopathic physicians had a mortality rate that was 20 times less than those treated by regular physicians. The standard treatment used by allopathic physicians was ASPIRIN to reverse fever and COUGH SUPRESSANTS to stop coughing. A fever and a cough are defenses that help us cope with invading agents. Hobbling these defenses meant that those with the flu had less ability to cope and died at a rate 20 times greater than those who avoided aspirin and other drugs." Doctor Harold Magoun, JAOA 2004, Note in 1918 "vaccinations" NOT a virus are what often got you sick in the first place

“But beginning his investigations in earnest, Shope became perplexed. Not a virus, but a bacteria kept cropping up in swine's mucous secretions and it resembled the Pfeiffer's bacillus or Haemophillus Influenza (H. Flu) more than anything else. The problem was he couldn't infect most of his subjects with the bacteria. So he took the mucous secretions of sick pigs and put it thru a filter which he felt would only yield a virus. However, incredibly, even the filtrate from the discharge just gave low grade symptoms. So if it wasn't a ''virus'' that had caused the deadly strains of flu and it wasn't the bacteria present in most malignant ''flu''..what could it be? To Shope, possibly both, working in conjunction with one another. So he introduced both into animals which subsequently came down with just the deadly ''flu'' complicated with pneumonia that killed between 20 and 100 million people in 1918.” Influenza: How A Microbe Was Repackaged and Sold as Being a Virus

http://healthyprotocols.com/Pandemic%20of%201918.htm

Oh yes the aspirin connection.

"The descriptions of flu-related, aspirin-induced lung disease by Doctor Starko are gripping. She cites records of doctors describing aspirin lung as looking like "the lungs of the drowned." There were small hemorrhages in the lungs which appeared "dark and red and wet, dripping wet." Bill Sardi Health Researcher, Note please read this insightful article the knowledge will serve you well in our Political Pandemic

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi125.html

I can't believe that this is America. It is getting worst & worst. Who the hell is the government to tell us what we can & can't do with out kids. It will be a cold day in hell before I let my granddaughters get the flu shot. They are 10 and never received that shot. The government can't even run this country what makes them think they are doing good with this stupid idea. This country is slowly going down the tubes.

Can I point you to the article in the BMJ from earlier this year from Dr Doshi. If you review the read responses you will see that there are "doctors" commenting on their issues with the flu jab.

http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3037?tab=responses

What is the call to action Anne from AOA as we need to protest against this NOW ?

This story suggesting that the 1918 flu vaccine deaths were actually caused by a lack of antibiotics--- and by ASPIRIN , in the NYTIMES, blew my mind:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/health/13aspirin.html?_r=0

I wonder if these guys who believe in "herd immunity" have figured out that if they get everyone else to vaccinate, they won't have to. Like that Simpsonwood grandfather.

"Some interesting data has become available which suggests that if you get immunized (sic.) with the seasonal vaccine, you get less broad protection than if you get a natural infection, It is particularly relevant for children because it is a condition they call original antigenic sin, which basically means if you get infected with a natural virus, that gives you not only protection against that virus but similar viruses or even in fact quite different flu viruses in the next year. We may be perversely setting ourselves up that if something really new and nasty comes along, that people who have been vaccinated may in fact be more susceptible compared to getting this natural infection." Professor Peter Collignon"

Here is a KEY point to surviving the coming Political Pandemic. It is a Political Pandemic because it is POLITICAL in nature,; it is not PRIMARILY a medical problem. The Target virus will probably be a Bird Flu virus such as the H5N1 or H7N9 or whatever pathogen they choose.

"Vaccination" is IMO preparing our bodies to receive this virus POORLY (understatement).

"I question her contention that the higher the vaccination rate, the fewer people who get the flu."

The exact OPPOSITE is the case. This is perfectly understandable given that all "vaccines" including the "Flu Shot" are immunosuppressive. When you are silly enough to get a "vaccination' your poor immune system must deal with the SYSTEMATIC distribution of the "vaccine" toxins, the SYSTEMATIC ischemic shock and MANY other SYSTEMATIC "vaccination" traumas.

Vaccines as ‘Cluster Bombs’ Perhaps the best paper on the total failure of "vaccination theory" I have read.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/vaccines-as-%E2%80%98cluster-bombs%E2%80%99/

"Based on the aforementioned outcomes showing an increased risk of miscarriage and stillbirth in the pregnant women who received this vaccine and the clear lack of “confirmed” A-2009-H1N1-caused maternal deaths, it appears that the 2009-A-H1N1 flu shot vaccination was “clearly needed” in the 2009-2010 flu season solely if the intention of the United States government and its pharmaceutical partners was to test the new clinically untested vaccine on an unsuspecting pregnant population. Another possible reality is the unthinkable — “population-control experimentation." H1N1 vaccine a disaster for Fetuses. Fetal death 100 times greater in vaccinated. Note H1N1 "vaccine" which is included in EVERY "Flu Shot"? Why is the CDC injecting pregnant women and six month old babies with the H1N1 poison which caused at least 4000 fetuses to be aborted in the 2009 - 2010 flu season?

http://www.progressiveconvergence.com/Statistical%20correction%20Exhibit4.pdf

"Baxter labs in 2009 put the deadly H5N1 virus in their “Seasonal Flu Vaccine”. Baxter Labs has suffered NO consequences from this crime. Baxter Labs was chosen by the CDC to manufacture this years (2010/2011) combination of "Seasonal Flu" and H1N1 vaccine." Baxter: Vaccine Product contained live bird flu virus, Note this STRONGLY suggests the contamination of "vaccines" with deadly unapproved "additives" is condoned at the highest political levels

"What was a bit surprising when we looked at some of the data from Canada and Hong Kong in the last year is that people who have been vaccinated in 2008 with the seasonal or ordinary vaccine seemed to have twice the risk of getting swine flu compared to the people who hadn't received that vaccine," Professor Peter Collignon

"Some interesting data has become available which suggests that if you get immunized (sic.) with the seasonal vaccine, you get less broad protection than if you get a natural infection, It is particularly relevant for children because it is a condition they call original antigenic sin, which basically means if you get infected with a natural virus, that gives you not only protection against that virus but similar viruses or even in fact quite different flu viruses in the next year. We may be perversely setting ourselves up that if something really new and nasty comes along, that people who have been vaccinated may in fact be more susceptible compared to getting this natural infection." Professor Peter Collignon

“During the past year, during the WHO and FDA's hoax "H1N1 Pandemic" people stayed away from Swine Flu vaccine in droves. They did not get their flu shots. This was the lightest flu season since vaccines for flu were introduced. In fact, the vaccines CREATE the epidemic. Read the FDA-approved inserts. There is not one shred of evidence that we are being menaced by a new tide of Swine Flu danger this coming flu season. The FDA has announced that a NEW H1N1 vaccine, untested, will be incorporated into this season's worthless and dangerous ‘seasonal flu vaccines’.” Doctor Rima Laibow MD

“Several epidemiologic investigations were conducted over the summer of 2009, and the results are now in. Seasonal flu shot DID increase the risk of catching swine flu Shockingly the US Public Health Service has COMPLETLEY ignored these findings and the flu shot that will be given in the US this fall will be combined with H1N1, which based on the findings above, will actually INCREASE the risk of flu and its complications.” Doctor Joseph Mercola MD ,Note well folks that sure makes the decision on getting the “Flu Vaccine” easy

“ … Estimates from all four studies (which included about 1,200 laboratory-confirmed pH1N1 cases and 1,500 controls) showed that prior recipients of the 2008–09 TIV [seasonal flu shot] had approximately 1.4–2.5 times increased chances of developing pH1N1 illness that needed medical attention during the spring–summer of 2009 compared to people who had not received the TIV.” Health Canada PLoS Medicine:

"Wow?? You don't think those flu shots could have had something in them - special - do you?"

You mean something BESIDES the mercury, monkey viruses and other NORMAL "vaccine" toxins?

Oh something like the the live H5N1 bird flu virus that Baxter Labs put in the 2009 "Seasonal Flu Vaccine" or the mycoplasma that induces AIDS.

Yeah it had crossed my mind.

Sadly, actor Tom McLaughlin who starred in the 70's movie "Billy Jack" died this week. Our kids need a Billy Jack!

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/tom-laughlin-star-billy-jack-dead-82-212410321.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

Good show John Gilmore!!! Quoting medical journals and sounding reasonable and representing brilliantly. Kudos!!!

Rick Smalley:

You said "Vaccines can't be causing autism according to science."

To the contrary, looking at statistical evidence for associations between mercury preserved vaccines and brain injuries in children, studies on mercury induced animal brain cell damage, studies on animal brain cell mercury accumulation, in vitro studies on mercury induced human brain cell damage--mercury preserved vaccines can cause autism.

None the less in addition to mercury preserved vaccine induced brain injuries, electromagentic radiation from cell phones have not been proven safe for children or pregant women.


Vaccines can't be causing autism according to science. See www.whyAutismHappens.com

This is criminal, pure and simple Nazism. NY preschools are being turned by Blumberg and his mafia to death camps.

Parents still have the right to take a vaccine exemption for the children, don't they? I guess at this point it would be good to focus on everyone being aware of the existence of religious or philosophical exemptions in 48 states.

Dr. Marc Siegel flu shot wisdom again...

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2930422292001/should-kids-be-forced-to-get-flu-shots/

Per Dr. Siegel, "Study after study" by indicted epidemiologists from Denmark... prove that the mercury in the infant flu shots is harmless...

They never give both sides of the argument, the "same side" simply tells why the "other side" is wrong

I read this week's NEJM influenza publication. One concern with it is they used Hepatitis A vaccine as a "control" hence watering down the adverse effects data. Most clinicians don't read through the study to realize that there is no placebo.

So who is on the mandatory board that is going to profit from the vaccine manuacturer for getting it mandated?

Cause that is the bottom line - really - isn't it?
They have to go back to 1918 or something to point to some deadly flu.

Sure was not the swine flu of 1977 - that did not make it big time on to the scene or even that bird flu (they saved us though didn't they - but burning and killng flocks of chickens over in Asia and Europe, and then the Mexican Swine flu deal - did not come to pass either.

Which makes you wonder about the flu back in 1918.
Started in Arkansas, at the barracks of soldiers getting ready to be shipped over seas in WWI. They had had flu shots.

Wow?? You don't think those flu shots could have had something in them - special - do you?

Actually, what is the basis for mandating for some and not all citizens? Not that I want to see a wider mandate, but isn't that blatant discrimination? Why force only babies? Because they're easy prey?

THE VACCINE HAS BEEN SHOWN, IN SCIENTIFIC STUDIES, NOT TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS AGE GROUP.

It doesn't work.

John keep saying it. He cited studies from prestigious medical journals to back this up. It didn't matter to Butler. She refused to address the issue.

Shouldn't that have been the first question everyone asked, including Bloomberg? Telling us about babies who die from the flu or end up in the ICU is not relevant here. Mandating the shot wouldn't make any difference.

I have to wonder if Bloomberg had any idea what he was proposing. Did he think that mandating only daycare and preschool kids wouldn't be noticed? Was this supposed to be just the beginning? Is the long term goal here a universal flu shot requirement for public school students in NYC? Will that come from the next mayor of New York?

Anne Dachel, Media

Excellent job by John Gilmore going up against the wet behind the ears RN. I hope that she doesn't have to learn the hard way.

John was a great advocate and spokesman for our community .. and .. for all parents who the unanimous vote of the NYC Board of Health .. at the urging of outgoing Mayor Bloomberg .. have been denied their right to decide for themselves (INFORMED CONSENT) which vaccines their precious child will receive.

I think it safe to assume that Mayor Bloomberg's soon to arrive first grandchild will probably not be enrolled in a NYC licensed pre-school or day care center .. having the financial resources to choose other .. more expensive .. probably more reliable .. care-takers for his grandchild.

If the Mayor believes his grandchild should receive annual flu vaccines .. it will be HIS choice to do so.

So .. it seems a little "unfair" to deny parents their right to decide .. simply because they don't have the Mayor's unlimited financial resources that allows HIM to avoid licensed pre-school or day care centers.

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