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 Matt Carey Owns Leftbrain/Rightbrain! Well, almost...

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By Jake Crosby

Hours after my videotaped public comment to the federal Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC) was posted on Age of Autism – calling out Leftbrain/Rightbrain blogger Matt Carey for qualifying for his US federal committee appointment by contributing to a UK blog - I and others here at Age of Autism received the following email from Leftbrain/Rightbrain's owner and founder, Kevin Leitch:

To whichever of you fruit loops gives a shit, Kev

LB/RB is not a British blog. It is now owned and controlled solely by Matt Carey. It is now hosted on US servers. Similarly, control of the domain name leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk is now under the total control of Matt Carey and when I get around to sorting it out, it will be owned by him too.

I don't write about autism/vaccines/bad science any more because there's no point. You lot have become parodies of yourselves and you don't even know it.

Kev Leitch. (The photo was included with the email.)

In other words, LBRB is still a British blog because its URL is still a UK domain name which remains under the ownership of UK citizen Kevin Leitch – until he gets around to sorting it out.

Weeks after Matt Carey was first criticized for his appointment to IACC here on Age of Autism, Carey announced to readers that Kev's blog would be moving to the US-based blog host, Wordpress. The reasons cited by Carey were primarily technical, and the blog also acquired a Wordpress URL. What was never explained, however, was why the domain name remains a UK one. Typing in the Wordpress URL brings you to  the old UK domain name as soon as the site uploads.

If Matt Carey wants to legitimize his IACC representation after the fact by Americanizing Kev's blog, taking ownership of a UK web domain name is not the way to do it. Carey also ought to stop hiding behind the pseudonym “Sullivan” and start authoring blog posts under his real name.

Matt Carey is not just a blogger anymore, he is now a civil servant in our federal government. Civil servants don't gain legitimacy by blogging under fake names while taking ownership of foreign domain names for websites. In fact, that's a sure way to lose legitimacy, not that Carey has any.

Jake Crosby has Asperger Syndrome and is a contributing editor to Age of Autism. Jake is a 2011 graduate of Brandeis University with a BA in both History and Health: Science, Society and Policy. He currently attends The George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services where he is studying for an MPH in epidemiology.

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I heard John Best is coming back. He sure got the best of Kev. LOL! Ahhh... the good ol' days.

In her comment ...

http://bit.ly/Q1Z7Du

... Jen made a very interesting observation about the likely defense mechanism deployed by such oiks as Lawrence, Carey, Brian Deer/Rebecca Fisher, not forgetting Gorski of course.

Of course, now that "Sullivan" is the sole beast in charge at LB/RB, we can expect a true feast of material for the professional forensic psychologist to get their teeth in to. And "the festering nastiness, the creepy repetitiveness, the weasly, deceitful, obsessiveness" ... of all the Carey acolytes ... will continue to fascinate the psychiatric pathologist.


Sounds to me like all the more reason why the autism community in the U.S. should work in a concerted effort to get rid of the federal Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC)or if that can't happen, cut the funding to the bone. It is definitely wasting taxpayer dollars and not helping our kids that are vaccine damaged. Just another federal WPA project.

If that happens and there is a group collecting signatures of U.S. citizens, please count me in.

I can't believe you folks are letting this Lawrence guy get to you. Remember that this whole neurodiversity group has been "government approved" now with its inclusion into the IACC but it has been groomed for years now, cleaning up its act, dropping Autism Diva, Ken Riebel, Kathleen Siedel and the other Skeptic mouthpieces for a less offensive PR style presented here courtesy of Lawrence.

We all know their underlying agendas and they have not changed, but the presentation has changed.

"We are all human - please try to treat each other as such. And with that, I do wish you all a great rest of the weekend and my kindest regards to both you and your families, friends, and others close to you."

What a bunch of horseshit, coming from a group that tells parents to not treat their kids' autism and that it should be celebrated.

Methinks 'Lawrence' doth protest too much!!

Does it matter whether or not the LB/RB website is registered in the UK or the US? ....or whether or not the webside is owned by a UK or US citizen??

Well obviously it DOES matter ...A LOT!!

Lawrence

But someone else does care - hence the uncomfortable manoueverings, Kev Leitch's ire, and perhaps even yours.

@Jake - so, it seems to matter to you. Again, do you only read websites that are hosted on US servers with US domain registrations? (whale.to comes to mind - not a US website, by your definition)

Again, given the ubiquitous nature of the Internet, you bring up a very silly point as your sole argument against the appointment of Matt over yourself to the IACC.

If your only argument against Matt Carey, Jake, is that LR/RB was registered in the UK - despite the ability of anyone to type in any web address on the planet & potentially read news that is of interest to them, you are grasping at very thin straws.

I will reiterate once again - you are arguing about a web address.....If no one else cares, why do you?

(and before you throw back the "well, they wouldn't have changed it if it wasn't a problem trope" I would ask that you point out the Federal rules or regulations that prohibit the appointment of an appointee that posts on a website that happens to have a different country code suffix)

GH@"I feel an ever present burning to go back and change just one moment in time. It is perhaps unsurprising that there are some who are unable to face the truth for the horror that it holds."

You summed it up so well! Extremism so often stems from fragility. The same applies to fanatical claims by some parents that there is nothing wrong with their children, that autism (and discomfort and pain that goes with it) is just part of their personality and not caused by anything in particular and nothing should be done to change it. If you live and act that fantasy for a prolonged period of time there comes the point of no return, where admitting the truth would kill you.

Ahhhh, Larry:

Now what website is it that Matt Carey had something to do with???

What do they say on that website?

Does this website have as a proclaimation?


Does Matt Carey believe in this proclaimation since he runs it?

What will Matt Carey bring to IACC table?
Is he trying to bring Acceptance of a personality disorder?
But- but what about the other stuff that comes along with it?

You know the epilespy, tourettes, biopolar, mannia, depression, OCD and psychosis?

Then of course there is the actual body ache and pains. Will Matt Carey worry with them?

Speaking of body aches are they even recognized by the IACC>

Or is autism to the IACC nothing more than mental retardation?

"I would appreciate knowing exactly why you believe that the domain registration of LR/RB has anything to do with the appointment of Matt Carey to the IACC panel?"

Because it's domain registration is in the UK.

"Matt Carey is a US Citizen, active in the US Autism community..."

No, he's active in contributing content to a UK blog, which is all he has to show for his IACC appointment. It's what's written in his IACC bio.

Why would the blog's UK registration and ownership not matter if Kev had to turn control and ownership of the blog over to Matt Carey, move it to the US blog host Wordpress and acquire a Wordpress URL?

But!!!John!!Where is Bonnie when they need her!!!..Where??

Lawrence

It is rather de facto isn't it? LB/RB had to disband to allow Matthew Carey to take up a position on the IACC, hence Kev Leitch's angry note.

I think that many of us here would say that one of the most raw areas of our emotions is the thought that a decision we made, and which can not be undone, has had such tragic consequences. I feel an ever present burning to go back and change just one moment in time. It is perhaps unsurprising that there are some who are unable to face the truth for the horror that it holds, and when we read a convoluted argument that claims in one sentence that it is unethical to study the cumulative impact of the vaccine schedule, and in the next sentence that such studies have vindicated vaccines, it may be coming from somebody extremely fragile.

With that in mind I will just point out that children today suffer far more disorders of the immune system than their parents did at the same age, and the failure to study the vaccine schedule as a potential cause can not be justified in any scientific terms.

The photo supplied by Kev in my opinion represents the IACC well...It IS what it IS. He is the face of the IACC.
However Lawrence reminds me of Paul Offit...very concerned with how the public will respond to news regarding vaccines and the confusion of how to do a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study.

@Jake - by no means has my original point changed one iota (I responded to lots of other off-topic points). I would appreciate knowing exactly why you believe that the domain registration of LR/RB has anything to do with the appointment of Matt Carey to the IACC panel?

Matt Carey is a US Citizen, active in the US Autism community and happens to publish various opinion pieces online & yes, was appointed to a US committee on Autism.

So, if you have a point on anything other than the registration of a website, I would be very interested to hear it.

Totally appreciate the point about the thread hijacking but since some have seemed to wonder how the neurodiverse and people like "Sullivan", Brian Deer, Orac, can be so doubtful as to vaccines having any role in childrens' autism, I think 'reaction formation' could explain it- "excessive behavior exhibited to cover up something unacceptable by adopting an opposite stance. Extreme patterns can be found in persons with OCD. Usually a reaction formation is marked by showiness and compulsiveness." Can you imagine being in the health care field and having to face that vaccines may have injured your child, or working as a researcher taking monies from companies who are destroying children's health? How could you stand it? You don't- you display a reaction formation. Then again for some people it would simply be the case that they know vaccines are not well studied and poorly understood as to effects but they don't care -$$$$$. JMTC.

John Stone,
I agree with you that Lawrence is not Brian Deer. My point was that it's understandable for people to wonder if the two are the same in light of Deer's past behavior - posing as Brian Lawrence in order to deceive an autism parent.

Lawrence,
Are you a fan of Wizard of Oz? Because this is the biggest straw man I have ever seen:

"You are asking for what would amount to a massive double-blind research study, where randomly selected children would be given either a) the vaccine or b) a placebo.

2) The parents would not be told if their children had received a real vaccine or the placebo, so they would not know if their child was protected...."etc.

Lawrence, I've never heard of anyone ask for what you described above. Have you ever heard of retrospective studies? The health records already exist for researchers to determine if there's a relationship between vaccination (or lack of vaccination) and incidence of autism. (Much the way the Verstraeten study was conducted.)

However, it's very doubtful such a study will ever take place. Look what happened with Verstraeten's data. The CDC "lost" it after the results were altered multiple times.

Continue with your denial. It won't change the facts.

Lawrence, you've completely hijacked the comments away from the topic of the post after repeatedly failing to defend why a UK Blog should hold a seat on IACC - good job. As for the vindication of Prof. John Walker-Smith and Dr. Andrew Wakefield's paper, I will only very briefly set your falsehoods straight:

"As to the "vindication" of Dr. John Walker Smith - the findings showed that he believed he was treating the children in the Wakefield Study & not part of the study itself."

Bullocks, it showed the investigations described in the Lancet paper which were undertaken by John Walker-Smith were not undertaken for research purposes and were in the patients' best interest - vindicating both Prof. Walker-Smith and what you call "the Wakefield study."

"1) Wakefield did not present a defense during the GMC proceedings."

Bullocks, his defense has been described extensively on AoA by people who actually attended the hearings, unlike you.

"2) Wakefield refused to appeal the ruling of the GMC findings."

Bullocks again, he did not refuse; he did not have the money.

"3) Wakefield dropped his first defamation suit against Brian Deer & the BMJ - mind you, in a country where the libel laws are extremely plaintiff-friendly, resulting in his paying of all legal fees of the defendants."

He dropped his first defamation suit so he can defend himself in the GMC Hearing that Brian Deer initiated by his complaint, according to the judge presiding over the lawsuit.

"4) Wakefield was given the opportunity to continue his research in England to replicate his original study - and he refused the offer."

You obviously have not read the Lancet paper; it was a descriptive case series, not an experimental study.

"5) Wakefield, before his 1998 Study, was paid a large sum of money by an English litigator who was in the process of suing over a link between the MMR & autism. This conflict was not disclosed until after the study had been published."

Lies.
http://www.cryshame.co.uk//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97
http://www.cryshame.co.uk//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=98

And you still have yet to respond to what John Stone said to you earlier:

"No, the logic is that if LB/RB have been forced to disband in its old form because of Matthew Carey's appointment he should not have been appointed in the first place."

I take that to mean you've given up on your original argument.

Lawarence'
It is not our minds here that need to be opened.
Ours have been opened with a can opener.
It is yours that need to be opened.

Did you hear - at least acknowledge that parents have witnessed something after vaccines.

So you can not say you do not know what I mean
Here is what I witnessed

1st DPT shot at three months old - 105 temperature ; a week later a heart murmur was detected for the first time - he was born in a hospital, not a barn. He was taken to his peds right after leaving the hospital an once a month - that is four times and no detection of a heart murmur. A soft X ray showed a swollen left venticule making his heart boot shaped.

2nd DPt shot thirty minutes later he passed out, with rapid breathing, 105 temperatures

My mind still was closed but I did beg the ped to consider something was wrond and to break up the shots. He stood there with his hand on the door knob, impatient and short tempered and told me the shots could not be broken up. He was behind on his shots and I was to get it done that day.
My mind was still not opened.

Third DPT shot -Six hours after he ran 105, had a stroke like episode-- frozen into the same postion, not moving, pupils of his eyes became huge, he did not respond to me .

7 weeks later high fever out of no where, violent seizures.

another 7 weeks later another high fever out of no where with not even a cold or stuffy nose and seizures.

This is what you are up againest Lawrence

Some are smart enough to figure out the slower descents into autism - or if not autism other illness as in my daughter
I could give you blow for blow with her too.
I can also give you blow for blow what happened to my husband and 28 years old and 34 years old after a tetanus shot too.

Does it sound like I am the one that needs to open "MY" mine?

Why would someone this disrespectful ever be appointed to a federal government committee? He has hidden his 'opinions' under a fake name for what reason? Mr. Carey's appointment should be rescinded! He has called concerned parents of children with autism "fruit loops", (and the blog that keeps us informed). He expresses his disrespect because he is afraid of others opinion! Why is the committee appointing people that are hostile to the autism community? Why are they afraid of vaccine research? To a thinking person the answer a fairly clear.

John, diverting the topic indeed. Lawrence, did you miss the parts where the GMC's longest (and one would presume most carefully done?)' fitness to practice' panel was overturned, quashed by a high court judge. He found the disciplinary panel had 'superficial and inadequate reasoning... Wrong conclusions.' There was a call for key changes to be made in their procedures -presumably to involve actual legal people instead of pharma-interested thugs. Your logic sure is selective!

Lawrence

About Wakefield:

1) You state as a fact that Wakefield did not present a defence at the GMC. This is a falsehood: Wakefield spent 21 days on the witness stand.

2) No, he did not appeal because he did not get financial backing.

3) He did not continue the libel suit against Deer but he had to prepare his defence at the GMC. We await optimistically the result of his action in Texas.

4) The were several follow up papers examining the issues raised by the Lancet paper. It is hard to see what Prof Pepys, GSK's favourite scientist, was on about. Some people have called for the retraction of these papers too, but to deny they exist is ridiculous.

5) Wakefield was not personally paid a large some of money prior to publication of the Lancet paper, which had nothing to do with the litigation. He did receive substantial sums over an extended period at a standard rate for expert court work. It was not the convention in the UK in 1998 to disclose expert court work as a conflict, but this matter was known to the Lancet in April 1997. That the Lancet paper was not part of the litigation was a finding of the Walker-Smith appeal earlier this year.

So please stop making up falsehoods, innuendo and half-truths when you don't even know the documents.

Of course, what you have succeeded in doing is diverting the conversation from the topic.

I'm not sure why anyone would be under the impression that Wakefield didn't present a "defense" during the GMC proceedings. At the end Wakefield didn't present testimonials.

Lawrence, your point about increased dx of autism and decrease of mental retardation dx has been discussed here. I worked in an institution before de-institutionalization and visited several as a PASS student on a Wolfensberger course. Etiology of most kids there was known- Down syndrome, cerebral palsy, hydrocephalus, child abuse damage, other syndromes (of which more have now been identified, yet funnily enough genetics only explains a small percentage of cases to this day. Granted this was no formal study, just anecdotal observations and I did have acces to files. I do believe there were a few kids back then who may have had autism because, wait for it- I do believe that some disease can cause brain inflammation and subsequent neurological damage. On the other hand some of those children may have had vaccine damage due to vaccines having been given now for many decades.
The whole vaccine schedule seems to be nothing more than a money grab now- how can you see hep b series at birth justifiable as a true health measure? They are poorly studied as to safety and I believe parents like these are pushing pharmaceutical companies and researchers to increased standards of integrity and better surveillance. They are being dragged kicking and screaming. Our kids need this- far too many of them are suffering and genetics isn't what ails them. Vaccines are doing more harm than good.

Lawrence, for your information, according to latest figures less than 5% of people with autism ever stand a chance of living independent lives and making a contribution to society. And these figures come from a very rich, developed country, where ASD individuals get more support than in most other countries etc etc

Children with autism are 12 (TWELVE) times more likely to die before reaching adulthood than their typical peers. These statistics also come from rich countries with universal health care (so can't be put down to lack of insurance etc etc).

I have lots more FACTS that very nicely show why autism is not alright. Autism is very very bad, and those affected suffer and die much more than healthy people (and this hasn't anything to do with parents looking for someone to blame, or with lack of understanding blah blah blah), and very very rarely can live without relying on others for support, let alone make a contribution to society.

I could feed you those facts all night that show that autism is a serious medical disease that causes suffering and shortens life expectancy, and is not good for anyone, but I don't think (call me cynical) that you would be interested in those ugly facts now would you? I have a feeling you like your sky pink.

@Zed - Just as those doctors "observed" the African American study participants slowly die of syphilis.....there is overwhelming evidence that vaccines are effective in preventing the spread of disease - to purposely without them in a double-blind study (as has been requested - here and elsewhere), is unethical.

The kind of population study you also ask for has been done - and the results were conclusive that vaccines were not related to an increase in autism diagnosis.

As to the "vindication" of Dr. John Walker Smith - the findings showed that he believed he was treating the children in the Wakefield Study & not part of the study itself. His lawyer also admitted in Court that the question of the MMR - Autism link was "settled," meaning the results of the study were not in any way related to showing a vaccine-autism link.

In no way does what happened to Dr. JWS have a bearing on the overall judgement against Wakefield. His case was unrelated to the results of the study, since his defense was that he was only treating patients, not studying them. If that was truly the case - then it was right that he get his license back.

In the case of Wakefield, certainly truths remain:

1) Wakefield did not present a defense during the GMC proceedings.

2) Wakefield refused to appeal the ruling of the GMC findings.

3) Wakefield dropped his first defamation suit against Brian Deer & the BMJ - mind you, in a country where the libel laws are extremely plaintiff-friendly, resulting in his paying of all legal fees of the defendants.

4) Wakefield was given the opportunity to continue his research in England to replicate his original study - and he refused the offer.

5) Wakefield, before his 1998 Study, was paid a large sum of money by an English litigator who was in the process of suing over a link between the MMR & autism. This conflict was not disclosed until after the study had been published.

It was my sincere hope, that when Wakefield's abuses were finally exposed, that the anti-vaccine community would "do the right thing" and disown him. Very much like I had hoped that the community here would rapidly disassociate itself from vile alternative autism treatments like Chemical Castration & MMS - Bleaching, which have not a single shred of Science that show that they help (or have any way to help) autistic children.

There are "bad actors" on both sides of the house. I get mad every time I see an abuse by the medical establishment - but at least there are mechanisms in place to both catch and punish those that break regulations, cause purposeful harm, etc - the system isn't perfect, but it does work.

Unfortunately, there are few ways to deal with those that continue to push false hope and quack cures - they seem to be embraced even harder whenever their abuses are exposed (like Mercola & Null).

I hope, at least, that I've presented a rational point of view - perhaps one that has been stated before and rejected out of hand because it doesn't fit into the AoA worldview - I won't be changing any minds here, but I do hope that we can at least try to elevate the conversations around fact and Science, and not resort to mudslinging (and my writings regarding Wakefield above are not designed to smear, only relate the facts of the case) - so please, take them in the spirit with which I write them - not to denigrate or attack anyone here, you all have your viewpoints - which although I disagree heartily with, but please try to at least keep an open mind, that those that do not agree with you are not monsters, not in the pay of some giant conspiracy, and not trying to cause harm to anyone, either accidentally or on purpose.

We are all human - please try to treat each other as such. And with that, I do wish you all a great rest of the weekend and my kindest regards to both you and your families, friends, and others close to you.

I agree with Jonathan Mitchell in that Carey's involvement in a UK blog (and whether the blog is still based there) is of hardly any importance. I personally could not care less.

What is very relevant is that the Combating Autism Act was designed to combat/eradicate/cure autism. Could whoever appointed a person who is very openly opposed to combatting/eradicating/curing autism to sit on a pro-cure panel be legally responsible for this blatant and UNAUTHORISED changing of direction, ultimately the mishandling of funds?

I feel that Insel & Co are slowly moving from being merely despicable to downright criminal.

Any lawyers in the house?

Is there any way to bring this to the attention of people who voted for Combatting Autism Act, would they be interested to know how the money is being misappropriated by those they put in charge? I wouldn’t mention anything about IACC being useless and not accomplishing very much, just hammer the point of them repeatedly appointing people to the panel who are very openly and publicly opposed to Combatting autism.

Lawrence, "science" doesn't presume the outcome. If you already "know" that vaccines produce a healthier outcome, or that not vaccinating produces a less healthy one, the research is biased from the start. The task of legitimate science is to OBSERVE. Our money is on legitimate science, which has never been conducted.

Lawrence

You have to look at health outcomes for those who have been vaccinated against those who haven't. It does not have to be a double blind trial - I don't think anyone was suggesting that. But your faith that those who have been fully vaccinated according to the schedule will certainly be the better off is not well founded.

http://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e3769

Yes Lawrence, it doesn't stand to reason to rely on GMC panel findings on Wakefield, because that same panel was found (by a real judge, mind you!) to have twisted, bent and minced all facts, to finally base their 'findings' on nothing much at all. According to that judge, there was no rhyme or reason to the conclusions of that panel, to put it mildly. They really came out looking like a bunch of village idiots.

As this GMC panel was stupid, bent and twisted when it came to Walker-Smith, why on earth would you believe their judgement when it came to Wakefield? I've seen the facts and have seen that the 'findings' of the panel were based on fantasy, not facts.

One thing I know is that I would never employ any member of that panel as my personal detective ;-) I don't think you would be suitable for the job either, sorry.

@John & Christine - I appreciate the opportunity to participate here. The Autism question is never going to have an easy answer and I am certainly willing to look at any and all evidence as to the ultimate cause.

Unfortunately, the evidence that has been provided to date, shows that vaccines are probably the least likely cause - and the study that Christine would like to perform (and harped upon by the group here and anti-vaccine groups across the spectrum) is inherently unethical, for the very same reasons that the Tuskegee Study is held up as the height of unethical behavior in medical studies.

1) You are asking for what would amount to a massive double-blind research study, where randomly selected children would be given either a) the vaccine or b) a placebo.

2) The parents would not be told if their children had received a real vaccine or the placebo, so they would not know if their child was protected.

3) If there was an outbreak of vaccine-preventable disease, those same parents would face the difficult choice of either quarantining their children or taking a chance on them catching the disease - with the attendant risk of side-effects, including deafness, blindness, encephalitis, sterility, or the host of other medically-proven and historically known real side-effects of vaccine preventable diseases (which occur at several orders of magnitude greater than any proven vaccine-side effects).

Just like the Tuskegee Study, where African-American men were purposely not given life-saving antibiotics to chart the differences in their reaction to syphilis, you are asking that random children not receive vaccines and take the risk of contracting these diseases, without any real evidence that you are going to get the results you want.

Various international treaties, including the very one cited by Rob Schneider in his opposition to AB2109, prohibit governments and medical professionals from performing the kind of study this would have to be. You can't self-select people who don't vaccinate today - that is against the rule of medical research (selection bias).

Of course, the very population studies that are useful in determining this, in hind-sight, including the Danish study that you reject because of the "outside the study" activities of a secondary researcher, still do not show any increase of the levels of autism between vaccinated or un-vaccinated populations. And this has been looked at more than a few times, and the evidence isn't there (in fact, the evidence points to vaccines preventing the onset of autism in these population studies).

Besides that, and we could argue in circles around the current crop of population studies all day (and all night, I'm sure), at the end of the day, the kind of vaccinated vs. unvax study you are advocating is very unethical - for the very reasons that I have stated - you cannot purposely not give someone a potentially life-saving treatment, drug or procedure, in place of placebo - not now, not tomorrow, not ever.

I do hope that civil discourse can continue - that we can disagree, but also examine the evidence, and not get down in the mud - that doesn't help anyone, and it certainly does not help those who are dealing with autism today.

Cheerio!

I think it is a coincidence that this particular 'Lawrence' first showed up here to defend Deer and BMJ after AW's action was announced and so people may have drawn an incorrect inference - I am sure it isn't he. He has a little bit too much manner apart from anything else.

Lawrence

It is fact that there have been findings against Wakefield, but that does not make them true and the basis of all the key claims in regard to conduct of the Lancet paper have been shown to be false in the High Court judgment on Wakefield's colleague John Walker-Smith. If Walker-Smith was not guilty of fraud as senior author of the paper it is hard to see how Wakefield could be as lead author.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/04/the-lancet-should-reinstate-the-andrew-wakefield-paper.html

The Texas case is still pending but here you are still peddling lies. If you want to produce an argument for fraud in that paper let's see it, but stating a falsehood as if it was fact will not do.

The Shattuck paper looks silly bearing in mind California was the location with the controlled data, which he acknowledges does not fit the hypothesis. I haven't time to do your research for you, but I know from my experience on the ground in N London that the substitution hypothesis does not work.

Lawrence:

Thank you for the feedback. As you may have assumed or hopefully not- we may have to agree to disagree with one another. But as you have pointed out you are a concerned parent like the rest of us. I applaud your efforts to seek relevant information regarding the modern scourge of autism. What it must take to be a parent of an unaffected child to research the important health debates centered around the more than disturbing rate in autistic children?

You are braver than I would be. Honestly, I would not have participated in these forums or "GoogleU" had my children not been so ill as to warrant the need to find plausible answers to an unacceptable epidemic. Yes, I may be callous in this regard but it's the truth. How many parents must breath a sigh of relief and think, "better them than mine? How horrible. Someone must do something about those children. Can I give at the office? Don't we already celebrate autism awareness in April? Isn't a month more than enough?" Luckily for me, there has been heated and critical debate over the causation of autism for as we know, there is scientific proof to point towards an environmental factor in triggering said genes (which genes?) . AoA is one of many sites asking for a no-brainer study on vaccinated/unvaccinated children in relation to environmental triggers for this life long disability.

Why is this study not conducted? I'd like to have these reasonable concerns answered once and for all. 1 out of 6 children in our nation (Yay, U.S.A. is the greatest county on earth!) labor under allergies, learning disabilities, psychiatric disorders and general ill health. Why? AoA asks these pertinent questions and more not just for our children but for all children affected and yet to be affected.

"When you stop talking about the Science and instead vilify your opponents - making them "less than human,"..."

Lawrence, is a Fruit Loop human? Have you not vilified AoA or its readers in nearly every post you've written here?

Perhaps some think you're Brian Deer because he used his middle name "Lawrence" as his last name to deceive the parent of a severely autistic child, in order to weasel an interview without his identity being recognized. If your name is giving you a problem on the autism boards, complain to your friend Brian, not us.


GH said I will get dirty!

Lawrence;
First of all they do have science here sometimes very mind boggling bio pathways -- they even list reference from the NIH themselves. You must have missed them, in your haste to blog.

Second; You and others like minded whinnnny all the time about not being able to comment what ever comes across your little wee minds on this website. And many of us here don't care a whit about your problem because we have tried on other websites - to explain what went on with our kids - things we have actually witnessed as the years click by and to our suprise those websites don't want none of that kind of stuff. Besides what you have to say bogs down the real discussions..

Third; Developmental Delays - these kids will get better and have just a few minor problems! Yes, yes, brain injuries if it don't out right kill you as a baby does heal some what. But not if the vaccines are continually added, and the brain injury continues. Minor problems would be to you???? bipolar, heart problems, depression, mitochondria disfunction - well anything that has to do with the metabolism/immunity -- minor problems alright.

Yes let us do go there --- Has mental retiredation decreased as autism has risen --- please - let us go there. With eagerness!
My school's district starting in the early 90s increased their special ed programs because every year the population of kids needing special education services increase 6 percent. They had it down to the percentage. Notice the school district did not divide up autism and other mental retardation dignosis -- .

@John - I understand the need to keep dialogue civil, but to delete a comment that Andrew Wakefield was found guilty of having committed fraudulent research, an established fact, is suppressing open and honest discussion.

That particular issue has been done to death, so no need to bring it up again. You will believe what you believe, regardless of the evidence to the contrary.

As to the discussion of the "substitution" issue - I would love to see which studies and information were used to "refute" the idea. Because here is a good one going the other way:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/117/4/1028.full

Please provide other studies that would refute this one? And I would hope that you would not use the organization of publication as a refutation (i.e. COI gambit).

Lawrence

1) There have been nearly 5,000 posts on this blog to date and many will have addressed your substitution hypothesis in one way or another.

2) I suspect this blog would be impossible to operate if there wasn't pre-moderation. I personally was witness to how JABS Forum was overrun in 2007 after I submitted an embarrassing Rapid Response about Dr Ben Goldacre, which was later published. http://www.bmj.com/content/335/7618/480?tab=responses
But if people are reasonably courteous there is not usually a problem. Yesterday I deleted a comment which slipped through, asserting that Andrew Wakefield is guilty of research fraud. We've always known here the accusations were a fabrication and this is now even established in the High Court.

3) We have frequently been grateful to Joe Mercola and Gary Null for supporting our concerns, but I am not sure that they have ever been cited here as authorities.

Perhaps Kristina hasn't noticed the legions of parents who are now participating in dozens of Facebook groups that oppose mandatory vaccination of our citizens. These groups are concerned about many things--safe vaccine policies topping the list--and they are tenacious, vigilant, determined and ANGRY. There are many thousands of parents who would love to have attended the IACC meeting, though, if not for the impossibility of leaving their homes due to the 24-hour vigilance required to care for vaccine-injured children. Do not fear, they are Not going Away, quietly or otherwise.

@Christine - I appreciate your reasoned response & honest appreciation of honest dialogue, which is not the norm on this website.

Despite comments to the contrary - this is a very heavily moderated online community. Perhaps a very small number of contrary viewpoints are allowed to be posted, but the standard response is not an appreciation of the fact that there are legitimate reasons for being concerned about this "anti-vaccine everything" viewpoint, but instead accusations that anyone that disagrees with the party line must be "part of the conspiracy" or in the pay of "Big Pharma."

I, myself, stand accused of being Brian Deer - solely because his middle name just happens to be Lawrence & I disagree with the position that AoA has staked out for itself.

Instead, I am just a parent that is concerned that parents are making decisions, based not on actual Science or by discussing their concerns with their chosen pediatricians, but by spending their time on "GoogleU" or listening to individuals who have a financial stake in alternative medicine (Mercola & Gary Null spring to mind).

Somehow, these individuals are viewed as "experts" and above the financial COIs that doctors are routinely accused of, despite the fact that they profit directly from what they sell to parents that are desperate for anything to "fix" their children.

And lastly, AoA ignores that Autism is about "developmental delay," not "developmental stasis." Autistic children can make stunning progress, in fits and starts, to be sure, but many autistic children grow up to live very normal lives, with some continued challenges - but as very functional members of society, with families of their own.

100 years ago, children that were considered different - retarded, freaks, etc, were packed quietly away to government and private institutions or just ignored by society. It is impossible to say, without the knowledge we have today, that even a majority of these individuals would be considered "autistic" today - but throughout history you find individuals of singular skill, but extremely socially inept, who today would be considered autistic under the DSM definitions.

Today, with 24/7 access to information, news, and people all over the globe, we are all more aware of society in general & it is no longer acceptable to hide these children away - we are mainstreaming kids more often than ever before, and making progress in allowing these children to live more normal lives.

It is also interesting, yet not discussed here, that typical diagnoses of "mental retardation" have decreased in very similar rates to the increase in diagnoses of autism and autism spectrum.

The claim is that you want an open discussion - and if that is the case, that are many areas which should be considered - but the decision has already been made that AoA will blame vaccines, regardless of the evidence presented - and that's not an open dialogue. When you stop talking about the Science and instead vilify your opponents - making them "less than human," (the Thanksgiving cartoon comes to mind) you have lost the moral high ground and ability to effect the conversation.

AoA should not be afraid of allowing alternative opinions - unless they are afraid of parents being exposed to perhaps better methods for helping their children, instead of laying blame.

To Cherry S. M. - It's out of the University of Melbourne

Here is a link to the Eurekalert story:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-07/uom-vvf071212.php

Here is where it's published:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/337/6091/188

"We alerted the Australian Pesticide and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) to our findings and they are now working closely with our research team, vaccine registrants and the poultry industry to determine both short and long term regulatory actions,"

How interesting that Australia has an agency that lumps pesticides and vet meds together, though it's probably not surprising to Mark Blaxill & Dan Olmsted and others on this site after discussions about the origins of polio and the LeRoy, NY medical issues.

"Short-term measures include risk assessment of all live virus vaccines currently registered by the APVMA in regard to the risk of recombination and could include changes to product labels, which may result in restrictions on the use of two vaccines of different origins in the one animal population."

Makes me wonder, for instance, what doctors are doing to the evolution of diseases when a child starts a shot series with one vaccine, but finish up with another. And it certainly makes me wonder what happens in the real world when an MMR from 2 different manufacturers overlap in the same animal population (we, being the animal).

"Live vaccines are used throughout the world to control ILT in poultry. For over 40 years the vaccines used in Australia were derived from an Australian virus strain. But following a vaccine shortage another vaccine originating from Europe was registered in 2006 and rapidly became widely used," Dr Devlin said.

"Shortly after the introduction of the European strain of vaccine, two new strains of ILT virus were found to be responsible for most of the outbreaks of disease in New South Wales and Victoria. So we sought to examine the origin of these two new strains."

The team sequenced all of the genes (the genome) of the two vaccines used in Australia, and the two new outbreak strains of the virus. Following bioinformatic analysis on the resulting DNA sequence, in conjunction with Dr John Markham at NICTA's Victoria Research Laboratory, they found that the new disease-causing strains were combinations of the Australian and European origin vaccine strains.

"Comparisons of the vaccine strains and the new recombinant strains have shown that both the recombinant strains cause more severe disease, or replicate to a higher level than the parent vaccine strains that gave rise to them," Dr Lee said.

Professor Glenn Browning said recombination was a natural process that can occur when two viruses infect the same cell at the same time.

Kristina says:-
"As Lawrence points out, what difference does it make that an American citizen uses a UK web address."

I think this comment begs another question, since Kristina also states she is pleased to be updated about the Wakefield v BMJ court proceedings. A main plank of the BMJ's stated defence arguments, is that Dr Wakefield is from the UK and the BMJ is also registered in the UK and therefore any litigation should be carried out in the UK, rather than Texas.

Of course the BMJ website, like the LB RB one is a worldwide entity. In the case of the Jan/Feb 2011 Deer BMJ articles, which accused Andrew Wakefield of fraud and apparent theft of legal aid money, the UK press and media were mostly silent, regarding this material as libellous. Not so in the US where Dr Wakefield was metaphorically 'lynched' by the media-in particular a vicious attack by CNN presenter Anderson Cooper.

I find it very strange for US citizen Matthew Carey, aka Sullivan, who has now apparently bought the LB RB website from Kevin Leitch, and has updated and changed it to suit himself, to insist on Kevin Leitch being the 'nominal' owner and to also keep this website registration in the UK.

This discussion shows how low the anti-vaccine believers have to fall to make a point. As Lawrence points out, what difference does it make that an American citizen uses a UK web address. You are making yourselves ridiculous by suggesting that the anti-vaccine contingent represents 100,000 people or 10,000 families, or whatever large and non-sensical number you choose to put to it. The fact is that over 2000 people on FB were invited to this event, and only a very few showed up - you have posted the pictures yourself. You are part of a dying movement that has to cling to trivial arguments to keep their flag flying.

And I would like to thank Matt Carey for posting recent news about the Deer/Wakefield/BMJ case. Strangely, AoA has been very quiet about it - can't be going to well, I expect.

To GH and loveyour vet, Thanks a lot, for the info. Can you give a link to the research? I had always wondered why the scientific establishement was so quick to tell us how a bird sat on a pig in Guadalaoaxacauatl Mexico and made the swine flu.
Another topic- I had always wondered just what are the names of the architects of our autism tsunami. Since I dont have any inside contact in the CDC, I can only watch and guess from afar. Obviously two of the culprits are Tom Insel and Sebelious OR their handlers. Please send in your dollars to get their names etched in the black granite wallof shame at the Autism Museum. Do these people actually sleep at night?
Their message is loud and clear: Autism parents - You are on your own! Dr. Boyd Haley had stated many years ago that these people have their backs to the wall, fighting against the truth of autism causation. Now we begin to see what that means

Lawrence:

I've read your posts and the many responses to your input on this site. I would like to inquire as to your personal stake in this heated discussion. As I have learned through commenting on this site, passions run deep and there is much give and take in our particular community. I have been welcomed, challenged and informed. We may not all agree with one another but that is the point of this forum. AoA is thought provoking, informative and open to all.

Your particular reason(s) for visiting this site are your own- as are mine. Your voice is heard and responded to within this community of parents, young adults on the ASD spectrum, physicians, special ed providers, activists and everyone and anyone in-between.

I am grateful to AoA, The Canary Party, Barbara Loe Fisher, TMR, Anne Dachel et al. for their tireless research and boots on the ground. I am the mother of two autistic children - both regressive- looking for intelligent answers to the many questions/answers I seek. I do not wake up every morning thinking, "I can't wait to muddy the waters of these sites." believe me, I have had some missteps but have never been bullied and turned away. I find a forum which most of us never hoped to be a part of or would choose to be a part of. However, here we are and supporting one another and challenging one another to think outside the box. For that I am most grateful.

Angus;
The name Sullivan is a big deal on the game "Uncharted" which my son will gladly tell me ever detail about. He is Drake's mentor.

Sullivan I am sure is used by more than one blogger, Bonnie included once it got started.

Cheers;
Thanks for the rescue; I lost it totally on the crazy comment to the point of being inarticulate at all.

Not only is it a depressant but you are not suppose to mix alcohol with prescription medications.

Oh,by the way, Jake Crosby, YOU ROCK!!!

To answer your question Billie : I wonder every day how there could be so many people placed in high places who think it is ok for children to be sick for life. It's really strange.

Actually it's not strange at all, just criminal and inhumane. Big Pharma/Big Gov. (one and the same)want sick children for life so they have a revenue stream for life.

Sure it ain`t Bonnie


...http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/11/is-paul-offits-wife-internet-trollautism-father-sullivan.html

Carey writes in two speak .one like Bonnie and another like a thick doctotor..doh!!!

Angus

The 'new improved' LB/RB website is much 'blander' than the previous version. It seems the 'animal' has been castrated in order to make it acceptable to the IACC. I only ever visit this bastion of pro vaccine trollery to gain information about their tactics and stances, but I was pleased to find this 'update' on the BMJ's anti SLAPP motion against Dr Andrew Wakefield, written by Matthew Carey.

Brian Deer has put in an amended version of the BMJ's anti SLAPP motion. The new version is 'only' 86 pages long and seems to have been completely rewritten. Amongst other things, Deer's defences include his own assertions about what he assumes are the thoughts of other persons, including Professor Walker-Smith and Richard Barr, rather a peculiar way to defend his own journalistic hogwash!!

Carey now rambles on about the money this is all costing, money which in his opinion could be better spent on other things. Presumably he means yet more attempts to blame genetics, or claim that autism is just another version of normal-YAWN!!
http://briandeer.com/solved/slapp-amended-declaration.pdf
AMENDED DECLARATION OF BRIAN DEER
IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS’ ANTI-SLAPP MOTION TO DISMISS

"Again, how does the domain registration of a website have anything to do with qualifications of an American citizen to serve on the IACC panel?"

Lawrence, why don't you ask Matt Carey or Kevin Leitch that question. They seem to think it does or Leitch wouldn't have handed his website over to Carey and alerted AoA of that fact on the day IACC met.

This is eighth grade logic. Maybe seventh.

Reading the contributions of Brian and this Reuben fellow, I am reminded of the saying about wrestling with a pig: you both get dirty and the pig likes it.

Lawrence

No, the logic is that if LB/RB have been forced to disband in its old form because of Matthew Carey's appointment he should not have been appointed in the first place.

I can't really see the point of Carey's appointment (except packing the committee with yesmen): his main issue seems to be the defence of the vaccine industry. I can see why a US government body would favour him but his credentials don't look very good, and evidently they didn't think so either, hence the furtive manoeuverings, and Kev Leitch's indiscreet squawk of pain.

Reuben Gaines;

Have you seen U tube videos of those with autism - with their bellies pressed againest a big ball, or an arm of a chair?

Take a good hard look with a heart and a care and then tell me where you really think Dr. Wakefield is in this mess.

The wrong side of hard and not caring
or
the right side of caring a great deal.


Well it is clear that the Govt has no intention of ever admitting that there is an actual increase in autism, regardless of what their data tell them. The addition of neurodivisity bloggers to the IACC, plus the upcoming DSM-5 changes make it a foregone conclusion that they have gone all-in on denying an epidemic.

No matter how many people complain, once the government bureaucracy shifts is titanic bulk there will be no way to stop it. There WILL be less autism is the next few years, and our masters... public servants, will declare that we overestimated autism in the past and that the new numbers are the true numbers that have been here since the stone age, when hunter-gatherers obsessed over lining up rocks and wandering off into the forest alone.

Not much to do but mock them all, mercilessly... At this point, showing respect to Insel, his cronies, LBRB and the rest is like slapping oneself in the face while they laugh. Mock them and disrespect them to everyone you know with kids on the spectrum or who knows kids on the spectrum, which at this point is about everyone. Since nobody has even heard of the IACC or Kev Leitch before, this will be their only exposure to their names.

"Continually playing "six-degrees" to attempt to connect anyone you don't like to some sort of giant conspiracy isn't journalism,"

Like when Jake connected Seth Mnookin to Alison Singer? Even Brian Deer said "if the family connections are true, then again I thought it was rather good." (And Deer can't even grasp that the brain is connected to the gut.)

"It just makes you look crazy."

...coming from Lawrence, a person who looks up to Kevin Leitch.

(If Leitch has been hospitalized for bi-polar, then someone needs to tell him that alcohol is a depressant. This isn't advanced neuroscience.)

@John - you use this word "logic" - I don't think it means what you think it means....

Again, how does the domain registration of a website have anything to do with qualifications of an American citizen to serve on the IACC panel?

@Bernadetta - that doesn't even make any sense.

The gist of Jake's piece, as written, is that Matt Carey isn't qualified to serve on the IACC because he writes for a blog that happenns to have a ".uk" domain registration. Not only is that completely irrelevant to his qualifications or appointment, but qualifies as a non-sequitur argument.

Again, that would be the same as arguing that Andrew Wakefield isn't qualified to speak about US autism concerns strictly because of his British citizenship (and I would love to know when he received his US citizenship, if he is in fact a citizen).

If Jake wants to put forth actual arguments and not "six degrees" conspiracy connections, it would be a welcome change.

Actually Larry the crazy comment has just plain made me mad to just furious.

Let me tell you what it crazy;
Crazy is me paying the univerisities to teach and train me, in the truth, and I did not get it. I listened to lecture after lecture about how safe vaccine were becaue --- they just are! I swear that is what the professor said - to students that were studying biochemical pathways.

Crazy is that in one class that was also a nursing requirement -some little nurse that had come back for more training; bravely holds up their hands and tells the professor what is going on in the real world out there.
And I was embarassed for the nurses. I should have been embarrassed at the stupid professors toeing the line.

Crazy is 20 plus years later my vaccine damaged daughter that had Kawasakis as a child from her vaccins is sitting in the same classrooms hearing the same dam lectures. She has a vaccine damaged brother, a vaccine damaged husband, and before she was done with her degree in which she is paying for - she must and did submit herself for a Hep B to be further damaged by a vaccine. Hep B is only one of two others that they have no vaccine for like AIDS, and Hep C. She will still have to take the same precautions of gloves and so forth even with the Hep B vaccine.

Crazy is that she and her friend/ fellow student have to sit there together during these lectures and - her friend also has a little boy damaged by a vaccine, and who was a very sick little boy.

Crazy; is that no one --- for sure not you; wants to know the details of how any of us parents just knows our kids are vaccine damaged. Not listening to what we have witnessed as you yell crazy.

If LB/RB had to be dismembered in order to legitimise Matthew Carey's appointment to the IACC as Kev Leitch's foolish email proves - he must have been appointed on a false basis. The logic is inescapable.

It should just be pointed out - for information - that Andrew Wakefield is a US citizen.

Larry/Lawrence;
Is Mr. Carey is sitting on a a United States of America federal agency committee or not?
I know no one respects our borders and we have become like some international country with no borders inviting everyone in--- in the name of diversity but not in the name of someone who has sworn their total alligence to America but----
I don't see Dr. Wakefield on that agency
and by the way his parents were doctors, he is a doctor, he has been trained to read stats --- were as Carey???
Well you brought it up and it was
CRAZY COMPARISON!

Larry Lawrence technical problems -- oh please!

"And sadly his erratic writings indicate he's in urgent need of a thorough lab workup at the Pfeiffer Treatment Center.

Kevin describes himself as having a mental illness, but rather than treat it he prefers to wallow in it."

Kev Leitch has been quite open to the fact that, yes, he has mental disease (in the form of bipolar disorder). He has also been quite open to the fact that he is in treatment, that he has been hospitalized, and that he is doing well now.

How and why that makes anything Matt Carey has written and experienced about autism wrong is beyond me. Ah, I get it! We're playing Jake's game of association.

Jake, I hope you're not in any way related or working with anyone with mental disease, because that would invalidate anything you've written in the eyes of your readers.

Kevin Leitch's LB/RB blog is distinctly British and has been for years. He's been the primary mouthpiece. And sadly his erratic writings indicate he's in urgent need of a thorough lab workup at the Pfeiffer Treatment Center.

Kevin describes himself as having a mental illness, but rather than treat it he prefers to wallow in it. Sad that he takes the low road, indulging in abusive rhetoric rather than sharing useful scientific information with other families.

I suppose all this shuffling around by Sullivan and his cronies suggests that they or the IACC have been greatly embarrassed. Why should Sullivan have to dissociate himself from Leitch, Cox and Stanton? If it wasn't embarrassing, why are they doing it? Why is Leitch being so brittle?

@Jake - you are the one harping on the ".uk" domain signature in the URL, not me.

"In other words, LBRB is still a British blog because its URL is still a UK domain name which remains under the ownership of UK citizen Kevin Leitch – until he gets around to sorting it out.

Weeks after Matt Carey was first criticized for his appointment to IACC here on Age of Autism, Carey announced to readers that Kev's blog would be moving to the US-based blog host, Wordpress. The reasons cited by Carey were primarily technical, and the blog also acquired a Wordpress URL. What was never explained, however, was why the domain name remains a UK one. Typing in the Wordpress URL brings you to the old UK domain name as soon as the site uploads."

I understand that you are upset that you were rejected, despite your "stellar" qualifications - can you let us know what those are again, exactly?

You are the one waving the "straw man" flag by continuing to highlight the "foreign" nature of an internet domain, regardless of the now ubiquitous nature of the Internet.

Continually playing "six-degrees" to attempt to connect anyone you don't like to some sort of giant conspiracy isn't journalism, it isn't research, and it isn't helping the cause of getting the appropriate attention focused on autism.

It just makes you look crazy.

Oooh Snap! Crackle! Pop! The Cornwall Flakes have their dander up! Let us bid them Cheerio as they rearrange the deck chairs for Captain Crunch.

Seriously, how great would it be if that new performance artist/comedian guy on the IACC came to the next meeting dressed as Frankenberry?

Insel et al have seriously jumped the shark. In their zeal to stick it to us, they have made themselves into an obvious laughingstock. Or is that oblivious laughingstock?

"yet a key position on the IACC has gone to Matt Carey despite his background being in computer hardware, and his primary connection to autism being his writing on the LBRB web site which falls far short of the standards of professionalism than ought to be expected from somebody occupying his position."

I thought Matt Carey's "primary connection to autism" was the fact that his child is autistic.

"Standards of professionalism"? Please. Jake's standards of professionalism are not exactly something to be proud of. I mean, a blind man being led by a donkey would have figured out that the web address being .uk means nothing. What, bit.ly should be banned because its domain is in Lybia?

Poor Jake. He thinks he knows the internets.

Jonathan,

Of course those have relevance. But what also has relevance is that Matt Carey qualified for a federal US committee by bolstering content for a non-US registered, non-US owned blog while using a pseudonym. Civil servants ought to be chosen for federal committees on the basis of transparency and for their service for US organizations, neither of which Carey lives up to.

@Lawrence:

No, because I never said Carey had no standing to discuss US autism concerns - only that he should not be appointed to a US federal committee. Take your straw men elsewhere.

Jake you kill me! How do you know all this! It is hilarious. "The Americanization of LBRB!" The whole thing is so absurd. LBRB has a seat but NOT the NAA. Wendy Fournier represents 12,000 families, they provide all kinds of emergency services, parent mentoring, cash grants, educational advocacy a giant annual science and behavioral intervention conference.....Wendy spearheaded the AWARE anti-wandering program that has, thankfully, save so many lives.

The fact that Wendy was not appointed a seat is all about censoring our families and denying them the voice they deserve, the voice they have earned through all of NAA's service. NAA is a huge, national autism organization with chapters in all major cities. Insel should be ashamed of the obviously political decision to deny NAA an IACC seat.

Carey's involvement in a "UK blog" and the fact he writes under the name "sullivan" does not have relevance, I don't believe. What does have relevance is that the combating autism act was desgined to ultimately cure autism, he has an anti-cure perspective, defends Ari Ne'eman and neurodiversity and uses the strawman that those of us who don't like neurodiversity are opposed to human and civil rights for autistics.

Who appoints these people?

I wonder every day how there could be so many people placed in high places who think it is ok for children to be sick for life. It's really strange.

Jake,

Thanks for sharing this shocking experience. Kevin Leitch's disgusting e-mail highlights how poorly represented the autism community is by our government. How humiliating that families who need so much support are dependent on these creeps! Why would a person who has no interest in autism be hired by an agency that serves autistic people? What an absurd joke; only it's not, it's a tragedy.

Brian - you are missing the point. The US has many of the greatest universities and research institutions in the world, yet a key position on the IACC has gone to Matt Carey despite his background being in computer hardware, and his primary connection to autism being his writing on the LBRB web site which falls far short of the standards of professionalism than ought to be expected from somebody occupying his position.

"You lot have become parodies of yourselves and you don't even know it."

L
O
L
!

The irony is so palpable it's amazing Kev couldn't detect it as the words sprang forth from his fingertips.

Jake Crosby you are awesome, I love everything you write. You have a hard time ignoring the obvious (that is a jeffism) I wish there was more people that had a hard time ignoring the obvious. And I love how you take no prisoners, pull no punches, just tell it like it is.

The appointment of Matt Carey to the IACC (=International Autism Cover-up Committee) is criminal.

YOU ROCK!!!!
Jeff

Matt Carey - Sulivan is only doing what most people of low moral character do.
It is the people that are suppose to be of high moral character that are in charge of a federal agency that I am once again amazed.

I am confused. Across the internet, server farms and domain registrations can exist anywhere - China, Europe, South Africa, Northern Virgina, etc, etc.

Matt Carey has a blog that just happens to have a domain listed in the UK - but he is a US citizen & resides in the United States & writes about issues that are important in the United States, as well as issues with international significance as well.

By your logic, since Andrew Wakefield is a British citizen, he should have no standing to discuss issues relating to US autism concerns.

It is a bit of tortured logic & relies on simple semantic issues to allow you to criticize someone that you dislike.

I've always thought of myself as more of a Sugar Pop. ;)

Jake:

Well, this "fruit loop" would like like to keep up the cereal theme by invoking Tony the Tiger when I say, 'You're GREAT!" Your reportage on this individual and others has been more than informative.

Mr. Carey should resign from the IACC.

Yes, I also received this unpleasant email from Leitch, suggesting a more than fragile disposition. From memory - at the time Carey's appointment was announced - three of five LB/RB editors were British: including Anthony Cox who works for the British medicines lincensing authority, the MHRA, and Mike Stanton. I don't know whether any legitimacy was gained by the presence of Milwaukee based Public Relations man, Ken Reibel. Of course, Carey was unknown until he was unmasked as 'Sullivan' a few months ago. But Leitch reminds us that they can only operate on the basis of personal abuse, half-truth and innuendo.

Dang, I was really looking into hearing their take on this one: Vet med research shows 2 different vaccines in animals combine into new infectious diseases. Cue the drumroll as the idiots come out to reassure people it can't happen in humans . . .

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120712144754.htm

Sometimes it feels as if we are players in a late night low budget tv drama.

In the real world recombination from attenuated strain vaccines needs to be investigated:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/337/6091/188

Jake .. you are absolutely right:

"Civil servants don't gain legitimacy by blogging under fake names while taking ownership of foreign domain names for websites. In fact, that's a sure way to lose legitimacy, not that Carey has any."

Unfortunately, as the appointment of Mr. Carey to the IACC clearly suggests .. once again .. the "leadership of the IACC" has bestowed "legitimacy" upon someone who clearly is undeserving of it.

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