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    November 05, 2009

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    AnaB

    Just another excuse to say that people now need a chicken pox booster every 20 years. Instead of letting kids get this normal childhood illness, they'll have to get more shots as adults to keep from getting seriously ill from shingles. More money in the till for vaccine companies and that's what matters most, right?

    John Stone

    A further report is now available on ChildHealthSafety:

    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/chickenpoxadultdeaths/

    Kristina

    "Mom23boys," I found my chickenpox parties on a Yahoo groups for chickenpox parties. There are several such groups on Yahoo Groups.

    It took several parties for my kids to catch it. It works best to get exposed at the very beginning of the illness.

    Sunshine

    Vaccines beget more vaccines... a child vaccinated for chicken pox needs a booster and will next need a shingles vaccine. Plus the herpes virus was spread through a vaccine in my childhood... it was in the oral polio vaccine which may have explained why I got shingles at age 13, which is a very young case, again, probably from the oral polio vaccine which had the herpes virus found in it. Its time to go back to nature. Get our troops out of wars. Bring back the family and neighborhoods. Get big corporations out of our lives.

    Sorsha

    maurine, we get that. no matter what the exposure, natural or vax, same virus, still stays in the body, still creates risk for shingles. however, being reexposed to the herpes zoster through chicken pox in children tended to stave off shingles in all but a very small percentage of the elderly. not only is chicken pox being pushed into the older-aged children, the protective effect for the elderly is declining. in fact, Merck just did a study that showed since 1996 (beginning of varicella vax in the US) the recurrence rate for shingles in the elderly rose 3 times the expected rate. so what's your point? the vax is making what used to be a very innocuous childhood occurrence something that requires cradle to grave boosters. Bully for Merck!

    Mom23boys

    Desperately seeking wild chicken pox for two un vaxed kids. Would love natural immunity.

    Garbo

    My daughter's motor regression happened after VAR and DTaP at the same visit; there was a charge sent to the IOM (I think) last year to consider adding cerebellar ataxia to the VICP injury table for varicella vaccine, so it must be a fairly consistently reported adverse event. Don't know what ever happened with the charge, though.

    If you look it up in FDAble database, there are numerous reports of varicella vaccine failure. I know one of my daughter's friends was fully vaccinated and got chicken pox last year. At first the pediatrician refused to believe it. So on top of causing neurological problems and creating an epidemiologic shift that makes shingles more prevalent, the darn thing doesn't always work!

    Stagmom

    My sister in law got Shingles after having her second child. My grandmother had them horribly as an elderly woman. They are unbearably painful and debilitating. I guess that's a case of where the children really DO protect the elderly by virtue of their illness. I'm sorry for your friend, Mark.

    Maurine Meleck

    For those who are confused: getting the chicken pox naturally and having lifetime immunity does not exclude one from getting the shingles at any time in life. In fact, having the chicken pox(no matter what way you got it)is the prerequisite for getting the shingles. Sorry.
    maurine

    JenB

    The chicken pox vaccination history might be a good case-study for Vaccination Considerations 101. The initial justification in adding it to the burgeoning U.S. vax schedule was that children would only need ONE dose (even though they have been "boostering" all other vaccinations), and keeping care-givers from losing that week at work because of the pox would be worth the cost.

    They happily fund Dr. Goldman's (I hope I have the correct name) research while his data was showing a decrease in cases of naturally acquired chicken pox, but when he starts reporting an increase in shingles in older populations (including adolescents) his funding is cut off. Never mind that shingles is far more dangerous and costly and the general public and doctors who swear to "First do no harm" might need to know about this.

    At some point supposedly physicians were advised to not to give the varicella vaccination in combination with the MMR because they were seeing an increase in NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE (my child received both at 12 months and she has neurological damage although some of her damage occurred before 12 months). Then sometime later the ProQuad vax is approved (Maybe they thought combining it into one syringe, even with the 10 times greater varicella antigen dose, would be safer?). ProQuad production is then halted, after a certain REAL investigative reporter informs us of undocumented cases of children developing autism in the trial groups, but the announced reason was something to the effect that they don't have enough antigen for both ProQuad and the now "useful" shingles vaccine.

    That shingles vaccine with its high antigen count is unsafe to get if you have not had the chicken pox (What if you've only had the vaccination?), and those vaccinated for shingles may be an exposure risk for infants/immune compromised individuals for approximately a month? Has anything been made better through all this experimentation with this vaccination?

    John Stone

    I fear that shingles is more often than not a big deal - it made my dad's life a misery for two years (by which time he was in his 90s). If we had made sure he was exposed to the children when they had chicken-pox he might have been spared that (but we didn't know at the time). Now people who have had chicken-pox or have had the vaccine will be far more likely to get shingles because the natural infection has been suppressed in the community. People will get shingles more frequently and younger.

    Mark Blaxill

    I'm not sure everyone is getting the point about shingles. If you catch the chicken pox virus, varicella zoster, you alway have it. It's a herpes family virus. But a normally functioning immune system is able to prevent outbreaks; they're analagous to a genital herpes outbreak.

    The core concern is that because children are no longer getting chicken pox, the natural immune boost that adults receive through exposure is reduced and that adults are therefore more vulnerable to a resurgence of the virus in the form of shingles.

    Shingles in adults is more serious and now rising because natural chicken pox is declining and with it the opportunity for the natural immune boosts that prevent shingles. I have a personal connection to this. My boss for 20 years at my old consulting firm retired. On a vacation in Florida, he came down with shingles. He died.

    Kathy Blanco

    All four of my kids, two with autism got chicken pox within a week. It was a wondeful time to reconnect, bathe, soothe and comfort and complain of the itchies, and boom, it was over. I think mothers forgot about mothering through these innocuous diseases. I kept giving my kids CLO and VIT A, and whala, it was a very handible disease. Now I know they have lifetime immunity, and no chances for shingles in later life. And my kids have immune deficiencies...so there you go.

    mgnyc2009

    Guys (and Ladies),

    Let's not let this one get out of hand. I had the chicken pox when I was 8. Then, I got the shingles when I was 20, after a very stressful few weeks (shingles comes on due to acute stress they say).

    It lasted about 5 days, and after day 3, I got the zovirax and felt all better. It was not a big deal.

    Mercury stuck in the brain permanently would have been a far bigger deal.

    Benedetta

    What?
    There is trouble with the chicken pox vaccines!
    I saw them tested in the 90's by our pediatrician. It looked like scenes out of the Norman Rockwell paintings.
    Happy mothers, children, and Dr. Block all taking blood samples, giving the shots, discussing, and talking gayly.
    While I and my kids were slinking in the shadows like a whipped pups licking our wounds.
    Dr. Block at the end of the study had his name and what he had tested so proudly displayed in the local paper.
    How can this be?
    That I and my kids are ?????

    4bobby

    bensmyson:
    My nephew developed juvenile diabetes after ProQuad. Amazing that they have suspiciously stopped making that particular vaccine...

    John Stone

    We shouldn't, of course, forget the remarkable series of 'Pox' articles that Dan wrote back in 2006, all curated by Sandy Gottsten here:

    http://www.vaccinationnews.com/age_of_autism.htm

    I well recall the little boy round the corner who was one the Royal Free's early MMR cases having repeated recurrences of chicken-pox. It just kept coming back.

    Jack

    A little off-topic but speaking of CDC numbers the latest MMWR shows 59 cases of measles so far this year. So, if the shocking rise to 140 cases last year was due to Jenny McCarthy and the like, why the drop this year? Haven't we just gotten louder and more dangerous this year?

    And where the hell is the headline, "Measles Rates Drop More Than Two-fold in 2009"

    Rosie

    If you look at the research showing that people who are exposed regularly to chicken pox maintain their immunity levels to prevent shingles, and you put the suggestion into the company's suggestion box that if you wipe out kids having chicken pox with a vaccine would you win pharma employee of the month for creating an enormous need for shingles vaccine and boosters?

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