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    April 21, 2009

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    David Greer/with Aspergers

    Thanks Michael And gatorra / mark & cliff

    ONE WORD I CAN SAY that sums up all of our comments are about. Is What my suport person
    Gave me two day That Word

    WAS - ''Eugenics'''
    Look it up on/in the encyclopedia.
    I had too!
    And thanks for veary bright peopel with comments you gies have brains and respect..

    David Greer/with Aspergers

    My suport person seid Im
    Geting respect from this (web blog)
    Thanks for the Respect....
    Not alould to talk about the Aids pamdemic and Red Cross!
    or holly cost (spelling funny) this sight might be cloased down like two others had been. I don't want that to happen to this one .I dont understand Emotion sorry!
    If I do just rember Im olny giving you stuff From an Autistic prospective Not disciplines to think one way to how- open my mind to subjects.Do know About
    cure for Controlling the Population this is called Bio-warfear even that
    skips generation past on to woman Then moves in to other parts of the wourld .
    Look at/// oh sorry..But Dr Gabriel Stewart, a specialist in chelation therapy for adults, who tells me he tries to dissuade parents from giving their autistic children intravenous infusions ‘not because it’s dangerous, but because it isn’t effective in clearing mercury from the blood’. Consequently, Archie was not suitable for treatment I will just say I had low zink in my daite and was heigh in mecury ..And did not speek till I was 7..And I think the Autism Dna skipy in 5 to 9 Depending on ratio of men an woman maybe peopel are living in parts that sartistics can't reach!.Aspergers syndrome individuals in jobs that involve architecture or design. Not only is their visual learning superior but their learning memory is more intact than other ways of remembering things. Aspergers individuals can create elaborate visual images of things as complex as computer programs and musical pieces and then can fill in the rest of their knowledge around that like I will (EX)What city has the heights air polution oh its the city with more houses -in 1986 ther was a new rule clean flow fires olny in the new city that ruel was applyed was the biggest!!.you prolby dont under stand me sience or the way I explaine ..I did an air study at 10 and still to day thinks the science peopel got it wrong . Do you think this is wrong!I do go by Most autistics, in fact, do not want to be cured because they've already accepted autism as part of their personality, identity and lifestyle
    The wourld smarters person has An IQ of 260 + HE is Autistic just rember That..
    from David rs greer / Aspergers love you peopel...

    Alison Davis

    John, regarding your response to "Michael"-
    Here is some useful information about the Department of Education autism numbers(used in the "1 in 67" article).

    As early as January 2008: The CDC has conceded that DOE figures may have been under estimated

    How many children with ASDs are being served through public special education programs?
    In 2006, 224,594 children ages 6-21 and 35,111 children ages 3-5 were served under the “autism” classification for special education services[2]. Not all children with an ASD receive special education services under the classification of “autism,” so the education data underestimate the actual prevalence of ASDs. For more information about children served through public education programs, go to the IDEA data website.

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/faq_prevalence.htm

    Alison Davis

    Thank you, John, for continuing to highlight and publicly ask questions to which our children deserve answers.

    John Stone

    Michael

    The US CDC figure 1 in 150 is way out of date.

    https://sites.google.com/site/angelawarnerproject/Home/when-1-in-150-is-really-1-in-67

    Presently, the UK schedule has 24 vaccines not even by 2 but by 13 months, and in places like Hackney and SE London which had target campaign infants may have had a second dose of MMR by 14 months bringing the total up to 27.

    http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Immunisation_Schedule

    But that is not admittedly the cohort under discussion. These would mostly have had DPT, Polio, Hib three times over by 4 months, MMR at 13-15 months - later ones Meningitis C as well. There are significant anomalies as well. Use of single vaccines in the 90s would have led to much greater mercury exposure for some infants, and also NHS record keeping was so chaotic that many infants got duplicate doses of vaccines.

    Overall I believe we are better in the UK at doing the schedule on schedule, whereas many US parents delay and spread it out, so their children meet educational admission criteria but are not necessarily so bombarded in the early months.

    As to Fiona Fox, the question is - given her science media influence - how credible is she? Once she denied the Rwandan massacre, now she has tried tried to sit on our catastrophic autism figures. Has she been just as gullible the second time around?

    Michael, how about we do studies comparing autism rates, other neurological disorders, allergies and diabetes in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, and see what we find out?

    David Greer/with Aspergers

    I see ther is Friction About the MMR thing!David rs Greer with asperges wrights /I'm sad to say!!!
    Its starting to Choke up the
    Autism Blog sights!>
    Many will cling to there Belief Nevethless I know of two peopel who have been paid out from a leanthy cort battel,Becoues of heigh zink levels /in the X6 and how it skips generation and the ratio between mail s and woman brains. Is that interp info extrap info or worked out on sheets of paper?
    I do know I ignore what the scientist have to say!. I have done more reading than any of you gies thats becoues I have ASD !
    The main point of studies with this how bigger there memory and IQ was .I gess the Goverment just would like smarter peopel!
    just not socail ones ..Sound like minoriity of girls are smarter than boys at teen age hood have you generalised that with your sartistics ! I gess your mind blind dont take that comment hardly im just been autistic and direct!hans aspergers is my hero!you gies let me in to this blog we are freinds...

    Clifford G Miller

    "Who needs conspiracy theories when you have proof like this. Nothing "theory" about it.

    And Autism Speaks UK were involved in funding Baron Cohen's study, which explains their connection.

    They must have had the 1 in 58 figure from long back, [and presumably also drafts of the paper and what has been submitted for the long delayed publication]. And here they are trying to kill the long delayed publication of the figures the day the Daily Mail was going to press with it, just like Fiona Fox did with The Observer in 2007.

    You can all make your own minds up about that. With friends like that ....... who can you trust?

    It will be interesting to see what is eventually published. Will it have a sentence added to a preamble which does not feature anywhere in the paper like that of the 2005 Cochrane MMR safety review? 'No credible evidence of an involvement of MMR with either autism or Crohn's disease was found. Or will something be done with a little more subtlety

    Epidemiology only finds 'associations', not "involvements", so whoever added that sentence to the preamble of the Cochrane MMR review does not look like one of the authors."

    mark h

    Simon's theory boils down to "you mom looks like a man"
    science at its best

    Michael

    So let me get this straight. You're admitting that despite the fact that the UK vaccine schedule for kids has over a dozen fewer vaccines than in the U.S. (24 in the U.S. to 11 in the UK by the age of 2), the rate of autism there is greater than in the U.S. (1 in 150 in the U.S.) and yet you're calling that a victory for your position that the greater number of vaccines leads to the greater rate of autism. Come again?

    And I have a question. What exactly is "a former denier of the Rwandan holocaust" anyway? Isn't that the same thing as a believer in the Rwandan holocaust?

    Oh, one more thing. What does one's beliefs about the Rwandan holocaust have to do with vaccines or autism? Thanks.

    Gatogorra

    We had no internet for most of the day and I knew I was missing something. Excellent report.

    Is Simon Baron-Cohen withholding public announcement of the 1/58 figure because

    A) The numbers are still going up?

    B) He hasn't yet concocted another strange genetic theory of rising prevalence which could account for such a steep hike yet?

    C) Someone in power doesn't like the number?

    D) All of the above?

    Hilary Gilfoy's email is oddly cheerful as she tinkers over the precise rate for the extinction of the species.

    I'm pretty stunned by all of this.

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