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Olmsted on Autism: Man Kills Ten, Self. Why?

Aluminum poisoningf By Dan Olmsted

It's way too early to conclude anything about the reason behind yesterday's rampage in Alabama, in which a man killed his mother, 9 others and himself. But it is not too early to point out a couple of facts.
 
First, the place he chose to end his life was the parking lot of a former employer, Reliable Products in Geneva, Ala.
 
Second, according to Reliable's Web site, "Reliable Products is the leader in louver manufacturing for the thru-the wall a/c and heating industry." All these products -- grilles, louvers, vents -- appear to be made of aluminum. Reliable is, in essence, an aluminum products manufacturing facility.
 
Aluminum, as we know, is toxic -- see Kent Heckenlively's post right below this. Numerous sources say it can trigger violent outbursts and irrational behavior. There is a debate over whether it is behind the rise in Alzheimer's -- in which violent unprovoked outbursts can occur -- as well as its use in vaccines.


The reason I'm putting this out there right now is I can guarantee you it will be the LAST thing anyone looks at when they try to figure out what sent this deranged man went on a horrible rampage. They'll conclude it was the full moon before considering whether workplace exposure was a factor.

For what it's worth I keep reading about cases of autism -- especially Asperger's -- among children of sheet metal workers.

Weirdly, just before watching the news last night on which this awful episode was the lead story, I'd been watching Law & Order S.V.U., in which a young man committed murder but was acquitted when his behavior was finally attributed to its actual cause: Lead poisoning.
--
 Dan Olmsted is Editor of Age of Autism.

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Robin

The mass murderer in the shooting spree in Binghamton, New York two weeks ago had a remarkably high level of Cadmium. Perhaps occupational heavy metal neurotoxicity was a contributing factor in his descent into paranoiac delusions and violent madness. Job loss and occupational toxic effects must have compounded his schizophrenic tendencies. Lead, mercury, cadmium and other heavy metal neurotoxic effects include poor impulse control and violence.

Gatogorra

German editorial on the Winnendon school shooting by Tim Kretchmar on Tuesday and the potential link to antidepressants:

http://tinyurl.com/ceu95c

According to Wikipedia, nearby Stuttgart is considered the "cradle" of the automotive industry, with Mercedes, Porsche and Maybach produced there and neighboring towns. The city has one of the lowest crime rates in Germany.

Jenny W

For Chobbs,

While I appreciate your comments, and I do. We have to look at the vaccine issue in the same light... You have worked at that same plant for ten years and are fine.

My son and my best friend's son got most of their vaccines from the same lots.... One is fine, one is not. It is all in how our individual bodies handle toxins.

What we do know is that mental illness stems from real problems in the brain... chemical imbalances, brain damage.
Wanting to go on a killing spree is not normal. This man certainly owned his actions, but we as a society need to consider what toxins are doing to us in general.

No, we cannot blame toxins for killing sprees... we need to deal with those who are set to harm others... but how is the big question... this question echos in my head 24/7 as my son gets bigger and more aggressive.

But yes, we do need to start cleaning up our bodies and brains so that they function as they are supposed to.

Stagmom

Krys, thank you so much for talking to us - I'm sorry you have to, you know what I mean. I was reading the NYT this morning and here are some of the things they are reporting about Michael.

1) Quiet
2) Shy
3) Fascinated with guns since childhood
4) Carried a gun where ever he could
5) Made lists of people he worked with who had done something to him. One said, "Made me clean out the meat grinder for 4 hours."
6) No expression on face during spree
7) Recent difficulties with family

They did this sort of reporting when the boy at VA Tech shot so many people. I suppose they'll do it in Germany too, where a boy shot so many people the other day - despite their strict gun laws.

It's the victims we need to think about, of course. But if there's any way to prevent another of these tragedies (wishful thinking...)

Best,

KIM

Krys Wilson

I sat and watched as he fired numerous rounds at a police officer and some say he shouldn't be blamed until a tox screen has been done. I know why our justice system is so screwed up now. As for Michael's family I don't think they will be asking many questions because he took most of them with him. Heavy metal poisioning is a serious issue and a very important one at that, but there is no threat of it at my work place. The *fabrication* mentioned on the website is the assembling of different shapes of extruded aluminum together with pop rivets or screws. We saw it to length, punch if needed, press certain pieces into others and then attach it all together. There is no fine dust or particulate. We can also bend and shape sheet metal to customer specifications. There is not any melting or molding of the aluminum at our facility. We merely assemble it all together. Michael's exact motive will never be known. We can only guess and theorize. It died with him. He will be held accountable for HIS actions. He is in God's hands now and I don't think a tox screen could change the outcome of that.

Chobbs

This is the very reason America is like it is. We make excuses for EVERYTHING. No one is held accountable for their actions anymore. It's always the guns fault or the environments fault or something else. People make choices everyday and that is what makes them who they are. Not all of this other stuff that everyone blames it on. Honestly, if we make guns completely illegal do you think the criminals are going to care. Criminals don't abide by the law so why would they care if their are gun laws? This boy clearly had problems but I don't think that Aluminum was the cause. I have worked at this same plant for 10 years and I know people who have been here over 40 years and they are completely healthy. We didn't have nearly the murders and violence back in the old days and there weren't nearly as many saftey rules and regulations back then. There is no telling what those people were exposed to. All I'm saying is that we need to quit making excuses for EVERYTHING and take some responsibility for our actions!

Teresa Conrick

It is time to stop the denial of what these toxic metals can do. As a society, we need to explore the mechanism of toxicity ie. genetic predisposition, age at exposure,synergy with other metals, amount of exposure etc. Thanks Dan for questioning the role of metals in occupational and in vaccine exposure as it is the only way the truth can be seen.

How long was toxic lead defended and of course, mercury in vaccines aka thimerosal? Discussing aluminum as a source of toxicity in some individuals and looking at the mechanism for it causing harm is not going to close down any jobs. My condolences to all of the families.

Zhonghua Yu Fang Yi Xue Za Zhi. 1998 Sep;32(5):292-4.Links
[Psychological and neurobehavioral effects of aluminum on exposed workers]

Guo G, Ma H, Wang X.

Department of Occupational Health, Shanghai Medical University.

OBJECTIVE: To explore neurotoxicity and the changes in psychological and neurobehavioral functions in workers exposed to aluminum. METHODS: Psychological status and neurobehavioral functions of 103 exposed workers and 64 controls were examined with Neurobehavioral Core Test Battery recommended by World Health Organization (WHO), and meanwhile, air concentrations of aluminum in the workplaces and urine levels of aluminum in the exposed workers were determined. RESULTS: Urine levels of aluminum in the exposed workers were markedly higher than those in non-exposed controls, with a statistical significance. Scores for tension, depression, anger, fatigue and confusion in the workers exposed to aluminum for more than ten years were significantly more than those in non-exposed controls. Scores of the performance of Santa Ana, digit symbol and pursuit aiming in the former were significantly lower, and no other changes in psychological and behavioral functions was found in workers exposed for less than ten years, except for their scores of pursuit aiming. CONCLUSION: Obvious changes in psychological status, neuromotor speed and their accuracy were observed in workers exposed to aluminum for a long term.

Heidi N

Having worked in prisons for years, let me tell you that nearly ALL of them would fit the criteria of a mental illness, and many are psychotic, which means lack of sense of reality. So, if you take away all the social stressors they had, you would still have moody, impulsive individuals lacking the same perceptions others have. So, yes, there is no doubt in my mind that they have pathogens and toxins effecting their thinking and personality. I am not saying they are not guilty, or that they should not be punished, but what I am saying is that if they were treated for pathogens and toxins, many would be quite different.

dan olmsted

on the issue of asperger's and metalwork: Daniel Tammet, the "Born on a Blue Day" savant, talks about how his father worked in the foundry and came home covered in "dust" -- heavy metals -- including the day that he took his pregnant wife to the hospital to deliver Daniel. this is one of a number of examples i've seen.
on the issue of looking at environmental toxins: if that had been done in the first 11 cases of autism reported in 1943, we could have prevented the next several hundred thousand cases. so much for leaving the guessing to the experts! i'm more than willing to be disliked if it prevents even one more environmentally triggered disorder.

Stagmom

My dear father was a dentist (handled mercury literally in his hands day in and day out in the 1950s) Then he became an orthodontist and handled more metals, including aluminum, and even soldered metals in his office. He has many of the signs of metal toxicity, including advanced kidney disease - and though I can count the occasions on less than a hand - his temper could be Vesuvian - to the point where I've said, "Thank God we don't have guns in the house." That said, if I were to ask him if he thought his career had posed him any danger, he'd say, "No." And he'd mean it. His brother, also a dentist, committed suicide many years ago. I adored my Uncle Eddie. My Dad is retired and 86 by the way - and a terrific grandpa to his girls.

Kim

jen

interesting. I do think that viruses and toxins (like aluminum) can obviously affect a person's behaviour. However, there are still other huge societal factors that come into play here as well. Weapons (especially guns) are far too available in the U.S. and can enable a person to kill many at one time (esp. semi-automatics). Also, our society really tends to glorify violence and there is way too much of it on t.v. / theatres, you tube etc (stuff like movies about serial killers). Our environment has to be "cleaned up" in more ways than one.
I'm not sure about the SSRI issue but there is evidence to show that by the time one is actually taking the SSRI some of them are in fact, already extremely mentally ill and that's when they commit suicide/harm people. Our lifestyles have become way too stressful.

yeahrightsure

People don't just up and decide to slaughter 12 human beings.
Environmental causes are rarely explored.
Heavy metal poisoning can drive people mad.
Did we not see the same excuse from the hog brain cleaning plant and workers ill from the process? Please, until you do a complete toxicology study on his brain you just can't blame the man.
If I were family, I would request an independent autopsy and do just that.
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Gatogorra

I have a foot in the camps of both types of tragedies and I'd trade places with just about anyone so that it wasn't so, but I wouldn't wish it on anyone else all the same. Six years ago, my cousin was stabbed to death by a woman who'd been taking Luvox and Ambien-- one of the same drugs that a Columbine school shooter and the Finnish school shooter had been taking and the same class of drugs which had been taken by virtually all the other mass shooters in the past two decades. Then, just a few months ago, my uncle died from metal toxicity in joint replacement, my dad died from metal toxicity in flu shots. My two children suffered from cognitive injury after thimerosal and aluminum laced vaccinations. My kids have both metals, plus lead, pouring out of them.

I never thought about the fact that the woman who killed my cousin had been a factory worker. If some exposure affected her mood which then dropped her into the clutches of a psychiatrist and the drugs made her think that my gentle cousin was the devil or something, I'd want to know the chain of events. It won't bring my cousin back but chasing the discussion away won't either.

By the way, anyone want to come to my family Christmas reunion next year? We have a few empty seats at the table and could use the distraction, frankly.

Sometimes the survivors of one type of preventable tragedy don't want to have survivors from another type of preventable tragedy in the same boat with them, but all can learn something from the other. People who are gripped by an ongoing tragedy can be so focused on trying to find a cause and halting the crisis to save lives that they might seem insensitive, but it's actually the opposite.

My heart goes out to the community in Alabama. I know first hand that it's going to take a long time to heal and that, at some point, some of the people who are the most directly effected are going to want answers.

Jenni Byrd



http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/statebriefs.ssf?/base/news/1227258934325230.xml&coll=2&thispage=2

Coal-fired plant in West Jefferson County puts more mercury in air than any other in nation

Emissions in Jeffco `extraordinarily high'
Friday, November 21, 2008
THOMAS SPENCER
News staff writer

Alabama Power's coal-fired plant in west Jefferson County released more mercury into the air in 2007 than any other power plant in the country, according to a report released Thursday by the Washington-based Environmental Integrity Project.

And the company's Shelby County plant ranked No. 8 nationally in mercury emissions for 2007, according to EIP's study of emissions information in the Environmental Protection Agency's Toxic Release Inventory report.

Alabama Power spokesman Michael Sznajderman said scrubbers being installed at all of the company's coal-fired plants will significantly reduce those emissions in the coming years.

Mercury, a toxic metal, is released when coal is burned. It can cause health problems, particularly in developing fetuses, infants and children. When they are exposed to high enough levels, they can experience neurological damage and developmental delays.

Demand for power:
The EIP study reports that the Miller Plant in Jefferson County released nearly a ton of mercury into the air, an increase of nearly 14 percent over the plant's 2006 reported emissions.

The Gaston Plant in Shelby County released 1,174.9 pounds of mercury, a 4.85 percent increase from 2006.

Sznajderman said the increases resulted from more power being generated at the plants during 2007. Additionally, at Miller, Alabama Power uses coal from Wyoming, which has a lower sulfur content but a slightly higher amount of mercury.

Mercury released into the air ends up in soil, lakes and rivers and eventually moves up the food chain into humans. EIP senior attorney Ilan Levin said the level of release from the Miller plant is troubling.

"That's an extraordinarily high number," Levin said. "There is a direct human health effect."

Alabama Power has two more plants in the top 30 in mercury emissions among the 108 largest coal-fired plants in the county. The Gorgas steam plant in Walker County ranked No. 28, releasing 642.6 pounds of mercury into the air in 2007, a decrease of 11.16 percent from 2006 levels. The company's Barry Plant in Mobile ranked No. 25, releasing 711 pounds of mercury, a 1.76 percent increase from 2006.

With those combined emissions, Alabama ranked among the report's "Dirty Dozen" states: Texas, Pennsylvania, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, Indiana, North Dakota, Missouri, Kansas, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Arkansas.

Georgia had four plants in the top 50, all in the western half of the state near Atlanta.

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, coal-fired power plants are the single largest source of mercury air pollution, accounting for roughly 40 percent of all mercury emissions nationwide.

Krys Wilson

I know there are real concerns about heavy metal poisionings and the damage to our environment, but this event did not stem from either. We have OSHA guidelines and environmental regulations we abide by. Our facility doesn't extrude the metal we use. It comes from suppliers who melt, extrude and form the shapes of metal we need. The exposure level is minimum at best. I don't think what we do at our plant is being fully understood. To say that his exposure to aluminum set him on this rampage is just plain shocking to me. Micheal will never go to trial for his crimes. He pleaded guilty when he took his own life. Something was wrong with Micheal and it could have been influenced by outside factors, but none of those factors were Aluminum. Diluting the truth with excuses and scapegoats doesn't make anyone feel any better about the devastating events yesterday. It was Micheal's choice. Lay blame on him.

karenatlanta

When I go back into my way back machine...
Back when I was doing my early research on chelation, I recall reading that aluminum miners suffered aluminum poisoning from the chalky dust.
Your assertion does not seem off to me in the least Dan.
Our brain chemistry is delicate, breathe in toxins and it is like freebasing them straight to the brain.
Who knows, maybe he reached his tipping point on "Free Flu Shot" day.
I'm sure the health department will find some way to blame the genocide on the economy.

nhokkanen

Occupational toxins abound; no one should discount that reality. For just one example, read about the damaged lungs of people exposed to aerosolized popcorn oil; search online for "popcorn lung disease."

To "jane" -- Let's not "leave the guessing to the experts." Consumers and employees have a responsibility to request scientific investigation by experts. But as others have pointed out elsewhere, investigations often are blocked when the expected results have inconvenient implications.

No job is worth dying for. No job is worth ruining your health. More employees should familiarize themselves with OSHA, and much more environmental testing should be done in the workplace.

Dor

As an employee of this wonderful company that currently is one of the only businesses keeping our small community afloat after loosing several manufacturing jobs in the recent years, I am concerned with what I am reading. At a day and time when everything that is sold in California has a product listing that may be harmful to you and cause cancer, there is no label on slandering a respectible company and causing long term negative effects. Only American jobs!!We have warning labels on everything this day and time but I am guessing that toys painted with lead paint in China doesn't stop the parents trampeling others to death at a local Walmart. What causes that? Greed, supidity, or hard economic times? Someone will never know just as no one will ever know the real reason why Michael did all of the things that he was responsible for. Not the metal that he worked with, the spoon or fork that he ate with, the tinfoil that his mother may have wrapped left overs in for him or the canned vegetables that we offer to our own children everyday!!!

kathleen

Jan, honestly,no one here would "use" the pain of anyone to "promote" their cause. Unfortunately metal exposures are a risk to health.
I am very sorrry for the events of late that have affected your lives and community, very tragic. BUT, no less tragic than what we believe has happened to our children. Both mercury and aluminun have known devastating effects on human health. I live near TVA in Kentucky. We, too, have exposure concerns. There are a lot of "shakes" in teh towns around the plant, and what I find most intersting is that they have the same story (at least the people I know). They go to the doctor for their shaking and are basically given medicine and are told..."if the meds work, it's parkinsons...if they don't it is something there is no cure for or no known meds for, but presents just like parkinsons.

From my pov, truly am sorry for your tragic time, but that does not affect my need to continue to try and figure out, or learn more about, anyhting that has affected my son's life.

Your town is in my prayers.

Adding, it isn't the amount of time an exposure happens necessarily...I think one's ability to rid themselves of the toxins is equally as important.

NO disrespect intended.

hera

Whatever the cause of this horrible tragedy, I would like to respectfully send the deepest sympathy to all who lost loved ones. In particular the policeman whose toddler daughter and wife were killed, and who has one remaining child; my prayers are with you all.

Sarah

Anti-depressant meds can cause psychosis and suicidal thoughts. Came across this posting on Youtube.. how many times must these stories be played out b/f this madness stops?

horrifying, tragic.

Antidepressants and School Shootings, Suicide, Addiction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHNJyti1gE

Melanie's Voice (MOTHERS Act/Antidepressants/PPD/psychosis)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qble_vQEC7M

Julie Swenson

Metal toxicity affects people in different ways. Suggesting that because no one else has done something like this before in that community does not negate the fact that it might be possible that aluminum poisoning may have played a part, pursuant to this man's particular brain chemistry and toxic load. Some people have an outright inability to naturally excrete heavy metals from their systems, causing a build up and toxic overload on the brain. Dan is not promoting any 'cause', he is simply offering some possible insight into what might have happened.

Krys Wilson

I have known of people who have never smoked a day in their life developing lung cancer, but that isn't a very good example. That is like saying that anyone who suddenly gets violent or has irratic behavior can blame it on aluminum whether they worked around it or not. Obviously something was seriously wrong with Micheal. I worked in the same dept. with him all those years ago and would have never thought he could do something such as this, but it had nothing to do with exposure to aluminum. Promote your cause some other way, enough damage has been done to my community.

Stagmom

To newcomers - keep in mind, that the phrase "Mad as a hatter" came from the felt industry used to make hats - the felt was treated with mercury, which caused neurological damage that looked like "madness." In Danbury CT, also known as "hat city" for it's now defunct hat factories, workers were said to have the "Danbury shakes" as a result of their metal toxicity.

These are real workplace issues. Even today. I don't think we can afford to ignore them.

Kim, Managing Editor

Thanks to David Kirby for his tutorial on Danbury.

Managing Editor

Krys, thanks for commenting. We all know 80 year old smokers who never got lung cancer, and then Dana Reeve, who never smoked, died from lung cancer. I hope that your health remains well - and should you take ill, that your doctor will take into account your work environment.

There's a logical question to ask about the interactions of metals on the brain. If only to start the conversation.

It's in no way to take advantage of pain or suffering, Jon.

Dan Olmsted broke the story about how the Malaria Drug Lariam given to our military men and women caused them to go berserk and commit murder suicide. LLariam is no longer in use, I believe. As an investigative journalist, it makes sense for Dan to ask these questions. And SSRI's are known to cause rages in some users.

Perhaps someone else can be spared the agony of what's happened by looking at all ideas?

Thanks to both of you for commenting.

Kim

ElizaCassandra

From "across the pond",
Dan, One thing that is often overlooked is that aluminium saucepans were very popular from just before WWII and carried on being popular until stainless steel and non-stick coatings came into use (please date this someone?). I know that, in the U.K. during WWII, aluminium saucepans were donated by housewives to be recycled into war materiel. In the 1950s/60s I remember my late mother cooking up slightly acid fruit or rhubarb in an aluminium saucepan to "clean it out".

You might also care to google "Camelford"+"aluminium hydroxide" (I think that's the chemical) for accounts of an English Government cover-up when an entire tankerload of AH was accidentally tipped into the water purification system of a Cornish town.

Krys Wilson

I have worked at that same metal facility for 10 years and know countless others who have worked here just as long and longer. This man worked here for only a few years and that was 6 years ago. How could the metal have any effect on him after that long a time frame? The toxicity of the aluminum had absolutely nothing to do with this tragic event. It is absurd to even suggest it.

Jon

Congratulations on using the pain and suffering of others to promote your agenda without the slightest hint of evidence.

Rob Smith

Can someone please tell me how this plant could be open for 50 years and not have one case of this happening, then all of the sudden you are going to blame an isolated incident on aluminum.

Julie Swenson

Very thought-provoking. I have often wondered what makes otherwise average, everyday people sometimes do totally insane things like this- this is a take I had not considered and I am very glad you brought it up, Dan. This is a tragedy that probably could have been avoided. I wonder what a heavy metals test on the shooter would show?

Jena

Dan - I would love to hear more about the link between sheet metal workers and kids with Aspergers. My father, brother, and grandfather were all sheet metal workers and my son has Aspergers.

Sarah

Makes me wonder what these stories have in common? Anyone know if the gunman was on/ off meds?

The AP just reported a teen in Germany just gunned down 16 people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_school_attack

Two weeks ago a chimp taking meds went on a ramgpage and brutally attacked a woman.

http://soompi.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=275992

There's been talked that the Columbine killers were both on meds... could this make plus stress them psychotic?

Very frightening.

Sarah Collins Honenberger

Truth in Vaccination is the only appropriate advocacy position for Americans who believe that government should facilitate and protect, not dictate. The misinformation about vaccine safety is deceptive and knowing, and ought to be condemned. Instead they fixate on the fear of an epidemic and take advantage of the general public's willingness to believe that no medical person would knowingly hurt another human. Have they forgotten the atom bomb and Agent Orange? Read WHITE LIES for the real truth about the compensation fund and how the government and the manufacturers are hiding the whole truth by spouting half-truths and inciting old fears.

jane

Why do we need a reason? Maybe this person just had a screw loose. He may have been on some kind on illegal drug(they have many meth house bust in this area}, and he may have just been having a bad day. It was a full moon, warewolf? If we are going to guess without any facts lets just go crazy. Reliable is a place of business and in this day and age talk without facts could ruin what few jobs people have. Lets leave the guessing to the experts. PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Gatogorra

I tend to think it's the psych drugs causing these specific types of mass murders (scroll down to "school shooters": http://tinyurl.com/cfxx8f ) but I also believe that metal toxicity and other environmental injuries are what brings some people in for the wonders of "mental health" treatment to begin with, which is the entree drugging.

My dad is a fairly good example. My dad died last fall after years of flu shots and his symptoms were consistent with metal toxicity and consistent with some of the symptoms of vaccine injury in the military. Aluminum and mercury were obvious culprits. This did nothing for his mood, which then exposed my dad to a certain type of institutional elder abuse: when he checked into a nursing home after peripheral neuropathy lead to an injury, he was given-- without consent-- Prozac, benzodiazapines, Luvox and a sleep med all at the same time. My dad had been "anxious" before but my mother couldn't figure out why my dad had suddenly become so out of it, irritable and withdrawn until we demanded to see the medical records and found the drug orders. My parents had NO idea. My dad hated mind-altering *anything*-- rarely ever drank. The easiest way to solve the problem was to tell my dad. He said "I don't want this crap" and we arranged for the nurses to withdraw him from all the meds at a safe, slow rate. After that, his sense of humor came back. He knew he was dying and wanted to remain lucid so he could spend meaningful time with his family at the end.

My dad was in the home for a broken hip and malignant heart rhythm and was instantly stuck on these drugs quite stealthily-- what does anyone suppose that all the Alzheimers patients in the facility were put on, with or without family or individual consent? The rise in violence among elders associated with Alzheimers may have a duel cause. Interesting that both potential causes are probably courtesy of pharma.

People without psychiatric histories have been given these drugs for headaches and have gone nuts, so drug reaction doesn't hinge on another cause of preexisting emotional disturbance (such as metals), but just imagine what the combination of emotional symptoms of metal poisoning and drug reactions can create. The drugs also open up the blood-brain barrier-- you know, just to make sure that all the aluminum, mercury and dash of lead from the shots gets right to the brain.

What's clear about these specific types of mass murders is that this type of crime is new so the causes clearly have to be. Mass murders by an individual who acted alone (or in two instances, with a single partner) without specific, long-cultivated political/religious brainwashing just never happened before in history. There were serial killers who acted with stealth in order to not get caught. There have been psychotic leaders who ordered mass killings and soldiers who carried them out. But the self-motivated, non-political, broad-daylight mass murder thing is brand new.

There was another, not unsimilar report out of Germany which appeared just a short time ago: http://tinyurl.com/aogc2z

I don't know if we'll be informed about whatever drugs this indivual was on. Some global drugmakers have German divisions and Germany suppressed this info about another school shooter there in the recent past. Finland, which has no drug industry, was quite open initially that their school shooter, Auvinen, had been on SSRIs.

Here's a report on the man who killed his pastor just the other day which brings up the issue of brain virus vs. the drugs as cause violence:
http://tinyurl.com/c5zvqm

Stagmom

I found this question on a mainstream medical question site:

have been taking prozac for about 5 plus years now and in the past year or so
I have felt what I originally thought to be anxiety. But what would be an average
annoyance to one has become instant irritation to complete rage. I see red and
have a hard time calming myself down and focusing on something else. Not
to mention other issues like self consciousness, ocd, and anxiousness become
heightened while feeling so angry. It sounds sick but I daydream about smashing
into cars that drive rude during traffic- like repetitively smashing. A warped
fried-green- tomatoes reenactment. Am I alone on the 'prozac makes crazies'
boat or has anyone else dealt with this. ps- my doc seems to think i need a higher
dose, we tried it, and it was worse...

Julie Obradovic

Interesting take, Dan. My first thought was, "I wonder how long ago he got off his anti-depressant?" How truly awful.

Stagmom

Dan, this is an interesting review of aluminum toxicity:

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview

Kim

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