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    January 09, 2009

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    Karyanne

    "When hundreds of thousands of children are studied, the vaccinated children have the same rate of autism as the unvaccinated ones."

    Sorry to be posting so late after the fact but I read this months ago, and again today.

    Where are those studies of hundreds of thousands of children both vaccinated and unvaccinated???

    Anyone?

    I just made Apologia Science a fried on Facebook, now I'm seriously considering starting my 5th grader on their program next year. I have heard nothing but good things about Apolgia Science and I love the books I've read so far. I think it's the God haters who have a problem with Apolgia!

    I'm assuming that most vaccine pushers are God haters, since no one with ethics and morals could possibly push such wicked and evil science, not knowingly they couldn't!

    joe

    continued from previous post I hope

    Now as far as the Denmark study being a good study I will let someone more qualified answer that question than me Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto "As questionable as the US thimerosal study was, "it was an improvement on other studies, including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious weaknesses in their designs," Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Professor of Public Health at UC Davis Medical School and Chair of the NIEHS panel, told reporter Dan Olmsted at UPI.That leaves very little for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that thimerosal and autism are not associated in any way"

    It doe's appear this chair of the NIEHS panel doe's not agree with Paul profit or the Centers for the Destruction of Children get it CDC a little play on words there. and as far as any studies that was done in the VSD database by the CDC I will let the Dir. of the CDC herself take over from here "CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered a potentially explosive report to the powerful House Appropriations Committee, in which she admits to a startling string of errors in the design and methods used in the CDC's landmark 2003 study that found no link between mercury in vaccines and autism, ADHD, speech delay or tics.Gerberding was responding to a highly critical 2006 report from the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), which concluded that the CDC's flagship thimerosal safety study was riddled with "several areas of weaknesses" that combined to "reduce the usefulness" of the study". This is the Dir. of the CDC 's response to the allegations that their flag ship studies were fatally flawed according to congress and the NEIHS "CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote in an undated mea culpa to Congress, (provided to me through a Capital Hill staffer)this was from an article from superman reporter David Kirby this next line is from me, ( "That leaves them with nothing left! Nothing" ) Except the new fraud that is apparently is being devised as we speak This is the CDC Dir. admitting that they have no science left to refute the autism thimerosal connection, but give them some more time, and they will produce good quality studies. I believe when they were first warned the autism rate was 1 in 10,000 they chose to ignore the warning, and every piece of research that they did in their words, was well designed robust studies. We are learning that they were useless. So I guess we can say at the least, The Dir. of the CDC was incompatant, and at the worse the Dir. was involved in a criminal cover up. But I do believe we have given them long enough time to investigate themselves. after all would you let ENRON investigate ENRON also I'm afraid if we give them anymore time we won't have any children left. from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 82 and that's not even taken into account a 4 to 1 ratio boy's to girls we in the U.S. should have the same penalties that China has, they put people to death when they are this incompatant. I think if there were consequences (example from China) for this kind of incompetence I believe our children would not be for sell to the highest bidder from big Pharma. as high profit guinea pigs Dad of Colton a severely vaccine damaged child that was mercury poisoned by the standard of care set by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on immunizations

    joe

    JB I called the AAP journal when I found out that verstraeten work was changed 4 or 5 times to no link, I asked the woman that answered the phone how could they put his work in their journal in his name when he has been working at GSK for three and a half years and not the CDC. Also they were in thimerosal litigation at that time? I asked is that not a conflict of interest? then I said what if anything would be a conflict of interest at your journal? She said that's a very good question sir I will have someone contact you. At that time I was thinking, I would get verstraitens work removed like they removed Dr.Wakefield for his perceived conflict. What happened next was from the twilight zone. The rang phone when I looked at the phone it said unknown name unknown number. I answered it, the man said I am the top doc. of this journal and I am telling you If you call us back if you bother us again on this issue there will be a knock at your door, and you know what that means!. I was stunned and speechless then I thought you just threatened me! So I asked what did you just say to me? and he said you heard me, and he hung up. Man I was bewildered, why did he even call me? I was thinking, When he did not have to. It remained a mystery until I was reading an email from the CDC and a woman was saying we have searched frantically and can't find anything to support us and the IOM meeting is in weeks we will have to go over seas to get us a study and they did. They went to Denmark we all know that fraud. And later I was reading I think it was Dr.Cochi from the CDC he was in a Email practically begging them to put the Denmark study in pediatrics. So it dawned on me this guy was probibility angry that called me, because the CDC was wanting to put another fraudulent study in his journal so that day he took it out on me. I the dad of a very severely vaccine damaged child all I was doing that day was asking a legitimate question. continued next post

    Terri Lewis

    Willie,

    Thank you for your comments. I hope many, many people see them (and they will--readership here continues to grow).

    You say that you are a physician and your wife is a nurse, and yet you, too, were in the dark.

    What more will it take before people start looking at vaccines for their children like they look at any other medicine or medical procedure?

    Vaccines have risks, and the current "program" is doing far more harm than good.

    How stupid I feel, too, every day for not doing *any* homework and having no understanding of vaccines before we used them.

    Terri Lewis

    P.S. You are in good company. I met a doctor not too long ago with the exact same regrets--his son is quite affected with "moderate to severe" autism.

    MinorityView

    And all the babies who are dying of meningitis because the vaccines are causing serotype replacement...that is okay? In case you haven't heard of serotype replacement, it is a natural consequence of vaccines which displace bacteria that are a natural part of the human flora. Millions of people are carriers of these bugs, only a minuscule number become ill with meningitis (which is caused by a wide range of bacteria, but only if something goes wrong with the host). Humans cleverly remove one bug and, voila, another moves in and starts causing the same sort of problems in vulnerable hosts. So the real question is: do we keep adding more and more vaccines, or do we try to understand why some children are vulnerable to illness from bugs that usually are just part of the neighborhood?

    This is why Prevnar is going from 7 bugs to 13, just as soon as they finish the testing. And in another 5 or 6 years they'll be up to 25 or 30. Insane.

    Stagmom

    Susan, that's rather an incongruous thought. No one wants to see a child die. The fact is, the very people named in the article have shown no compassion for those of us with children profoundly affected by autism.

    And there are children who die from adverse reactions to vaccinations too. Equally tragic.

    This isn't a contest for "what's more deadly." Don't reduce it to that.

    Kim

    Susan

    Perhaps this author needs an anger management course. Or perhaps this author should attend the funeral of the seven-month-old baby who recently died of meningitis in Minnesota because his or her parents chose not to have him or her vaccinated, and explain to the parents that their baby is really, truly better off painfully dead than at a completely nonexistent risk for autism.

    Jack

    I'd really like to get my hands on those studies and be able to talk about them.

    where can I get a list of the references for them?

    Thanks in advance,

    Dad Fourkids

    I am going to disagree with Rachel concerning educational professionals being against biomedical and other therapies which can recover some kids because it threatens their bread and butter. While this may be true in some instances, in more instances these people would just as soon NOT be working with autistic kids, who can be very problematic being fully ambiulatory, perseverant to a fault, prone to complex behavioral outbursts including SIB and aggression, are at risk of eloping and very often do not respond to the types of therapies commonly taught at the colleges and universities these preofessionals were trained at.

    Sped has a very high level of burnout, and the extensive data keeping that a proper program for autistic children entails coupled with the increasingly complex rules and policies spawned by each successive tweak fo IDEA and NCLB and the physically exhauting nature of working with these kids can quikly take its toll and will drive many out of the field.

    This has only gotten worse as the number of children with autism has at least quadrupled since 1990.

    Rachel Ford

    "I have to agree with one of the posters here- A lot of people have got a lot of pleasure out of helping the autistic kids with THERAPIES !!!! Sort of like the song :
    "Because I think its just fantastic, to help this poor deeeeaaar spastic" The result has been delay in recognition of the true nature of autism."

    So true--when you talk to many autism therapists (speech, ABA/ABV, TEACCH, special educators) about how your child is reovering/has recovered from autism through dietary and biomedical interventions, they don't want to hear it. It threatens their careers and "expertise"! Not to mention the pleasure they derive from working with these children, many of whom, as we know, are exceptionally sweet, interesting, eccentric, and intelligent. A lot of ego gratification can be derived from "making progress" with children with autism--but *recovery*? That's not their goal!

    Jessica G

    Thank you, JB for taking the time to read the studies and write this. Are they ever going to resolve all this? I know my son was affected by vaccinations but don't have the documented evidence to take it to court. What do all of us in that boat do to turn the tide? Somebody else said it correctly - only legal action has a chance of changing things.

    anonymous antivaccinationist

    Giving false representation of facts that allow others to reasonably act upon those representations, is tortious. Plain and simple.

    While I agree, JB, that the lie needs to end - I fear that without legal action, it will not.

    AA

    John Fryer

    Let's not forget that the Verstraeten paper DID show a huge cause and effect vaccines/mercury/autism with the result that the regulators SAT on the paper for many years and DID NOT publish.

    Then they moved the junior and temporary researcher into a top position in a vaccine company.

    They doctored the figures many times until it came out right in the sense that it was ok for vaccines to continue.

    They published a fraudulent paper that said mercury improves your IQ.

    Than they LOST the data.

    Then they got US government to LIE. The paper is OK and there is no cause to think that it is FRAUD.

    The published paper CLEARLY states Verstraeten works for CDC but he was never fully employed there and had spent many years in his new job at Vaccine HQ prior to the paper being published with NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of this simple fact.

    How many top officials in the Vaccine HQ are going to say our vaccine; no ANY vaccine is a HEALTH HAZARD and if you repeat it enough times ANAPHYLAXIS is bound to occur.

    ANAPHYLAXIS = SUDDEN UNEXPECTED DEATH

    How many of these do we get each year?

    Answer: TENS OF THOUSANDS

    RIP: LITTLE CHILDREN

    ROT IN HELL: MURDERING LYING you know who you are.

    John Fryer

    THAT BRISTOL STUDY

    Yes, I would agree it is four X rubbish and I had a stand in row with people that brought the accelerated vaccine schedule to the UK.

    It goes like this:

    People are dying at 3 months from SIDS.

    We got to do something.

    OK here's 180 000 pounds look through some papers publish your results and we will ACT.

    3 months later this LADY publishes the recommendation that you vaccinate at 2 months.

    And WOW it WORKED HOLY MOSES.

    No one dies at 3 months, ALLEHULIAH!

    Today everyone in the UK dies at 2 months.

    What the four X are we doing to our little children.

    I GOT IT!

    WE are FOUR X KILLING THEM.

    jen

    Loved your analogy with the chocolate chip/no chip cookies. This really helps to explain the fundamental problem with the studies. I just saw an interview with an ex-researcher and vaccine developer on "vaccine liberation" and that was a pretty interesting piece to read ( he wouldn't reveal his identity out of fear).
    I agree with someone who mentioned that it would be soooo great to have some kind of summary of all the lame studies claiming no link (mercury to autism or vaccines to autism) with a short explanation as to why they are lame. My letter got into the Calgary Herald (anti- Garasil) which was a nice surprise. I basically said that probably the Catholic parents had spoken in shunning the vaccine at private clinics because they may have heard of all the horrible side effects on VAERS and that maybe they are beginning to question ingredients such as MSG and aluminum. They are too many kids out there with seizures, asthma, ADHD, autism, aspergers and learning disabilities.

    Cherry Sperlin Misra

    Friends, I dont live in the U.S., so I cant really follow the trend- Has there been an increase lately in claims that vaccines are safe? If so, you have to wonder about the timing- It is likely to be related to the coming Vaccine Court decisions.

    In India, the opposite is happening and I wonder why- We have a full page in my daily newspaper that covers science topics. Up till a few months back a week never passed without an article about autism-naturally it was all the "Gene Found" and "Early Diagnosis" line. In fact, articles were as common as thrice a week. Now, I think about two months have passed with almost no autism articles . It has become a challenge for me- Each morning I open the paper and find no article. What does this mean I wonder? From where do these articles eminate ?

    I have to agree with one of the posters here- A lot of people have got a lot of pleasure out of helping the autistic kids with THERAPIES !!!! Sort of like the song :
    "Because I think its just fantastic, to help this poor deeeeaaar spastic" The result has been delay in recognition of the true nature of autism.

    Bob

    Thanks for the great article. There is one aspect of this debate that has me baffled. It is clear that the CDC, NIH, and AAP have no interest in sponsoring a study that compares vaccinated with never vaccinated children. However, why hasn't such a study been performed by an independent not for profit organization such as Autism Speaks? Well, O.K. maybe not Autism Speaks but certainly there must be an entity somewhere with the resources and desire to learn the truth.

    Willie

    Your peice is well written JB however, and I have said this on this post several times now, you could have simply stated that there has never been 1 single prospective randomized double blind study done with vaccinated and unvaccinated children not one and this is the gold standard (EBM)evidence based medicine and everybody knows it
    I am sorry for your loss JB. MMR and other vaccines cause autism. This really is not debatable anymore the circumstantial evidence is huge. People, lay people and many physicians simply choose to ignore the scientific evidence which in my opinion is overwhelming and will not acknowledge that the proper studies clearing vaccines have not been done and will never be done because they cannot be done because vaccines cause autism. I too was in the dark and I am a physician and my wife is a nurse we are both tortured by our previous lack of knowledge and the injury to our precious daughter. I am suing my pediatrician though as well as the hospital where my child was given the vaccine. I am a serious person and I will defend my child and my family and I will make sure this pediatrician and the hospital get an education no matter what it cost me.

    JB if you really want to get pissed off look into why they are pushing the vaccines because it is not for child safety it is to get more research money for the AIDS vaccine that they will never get. Should you have any doubt about the voracity of this claim read the work of Liam Scheff. Do you really think that there is a coincidence between the David Tayloe being chief of pediatrics and him being pro vaccine? All government Gays are pro vaccine, Donna Shalala, Hillary Clinton and the republicans that are pro vaccine are being paid off. That is why to have any effective discouragment for participation in this massive lie there has to be private voter legislation ( as opposed to waiting for an elected official to promote legislation) that not only repeals and overturns what congress has done to protect the drug companies but also provides for jail time. Once you put 1 of these people in jail the canaries will start singing my friend, loud and clear. This requires team work and courage but we can do it.

    Raymond Gallup


    The following information:

    SSI RECIPIENTS
    COUNTS FOR ADULTS AND CHILDREN
    RECEIVING BENEFITS
    FOR AUTISTIC & OTHER PERVASIVE DEVELOPMENT DISORDERS
    AS OF DECEMBER IN 2002 - 2006



    Year Total *


    2002 45,684
    2003 53,358
    2004 63,031
    2005 73,126
    2006 84,240


    * INCLUDES PERSONS AGE 65 AND OVER WITH CLAIM TYPE AND CHILDREN 21 AND UNDER

    Birgit Calhoun

    I have read most of the studies you cite. I agree completely with everything you say. I hope your article is not just preaching to the choir. I am equally as frustrated as you with the lack of understanding of the science behind why the vaccine connection is as plausible as it is. Which brings me to a comment on the comment about Picchichero's investigation of measurements of mercury after vaccination and there not being very much detectable mercury. I have read that study as well. An answer to that is that Picchichero may have measured, but he didn't measure correctly. There is a Canadian researcher, Graham George, who I think is now back in Calgary Canada. He used to work at the Stanford Linear Accelerator where he did studies on mercury and specifically ethyl-mercury. I heard him lecture on the subject at SLAC. He found that it takes less than half an hour for ethyl-mercury to reach the brain. As some of us know organic mercury goes to the brain very easily, but it takes a very long time coming back (20 years) because of the nature of the blood-brain barrier and the conversion of it to inorganic mercury once it gets there. What I am saying is that Picchichero didn't measure the mercury after vaccination soon enough. I don't believe Picchichero took Graham George's study into account. Graham George is from Canada, and our liars don't read things coming from outside their peer group, large as it may be. Sincerely Birgit Calhoun

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