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    October 21, 2008

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    I am retracting my original statement that this study is good. I am now of the opposite opinion as my child SERIOUSLY regressed from an expired product. There are several children who have had serious to mild reactions from the expired and new products being offered and endorsed through this study. These children have been ignored by Dr. W. John Martin and he made it quite clear during a recorded conference call on Nov, 23, 2008 that he was not committed to these children and would only provide one charge to their system and that is it. No other product can be obtained. I would also strongly suggest that people beware of BJ McKelvie as he has maliciously slandered me and others all over the ACE Pathways website and through emails and telephone calls which are all blatant lies.

    This is not different than offering one treatment of chemotherapy, then shoving a cancer patient out the door and telling them they are on their own.

    I was a study monitor and I was told in writing, on the site and from Dr. W. John Martin & BJ McKelvie that this study was approved by Health Canada and the FDA. I have NOT been able to find anything to support this and would strongly advise that anyone looking at the study use extreme caution before proceeding.

    I have read, with interest, your article about SV40. I am an attorney that has had cases involving polio vaccines, both as to paralytic poliomyelitis as well as SV40. As to the paralytic poliomyelitis cases please see Berkovitz v. United States, 486 U.S. 531; In Re Sabin, 743 F. Supp. 410, 763 F.Supp. 811, 774 F. Supp. 952, aff’d 984 F. 2d 124 (CA4 1993); Baker v. United States, 817 F.2d 560 (9th Cir. 1987); Loge v. United States, 662 F.2d 1268 (1982); Griffin v. United States, 351 F. Supp. 10, aff’d 500 F.2d 1059 (CA3, 1974); Campagna v. American Cyanamid, 767 A.2d 996 (NJ 2001); Williams v. American Cyanamid, 591 F.Supp. 381 (1984); Cortez Strong v. American Cyanamid Co. et al., Cause No. 99-08880 (Circuit Court of the City of St. Louis, 22d Judicial Circuit) fn; berk sup crt, in re sabin, loge, griffin, baker Williams ohio, strong, campagna). As to SV40 cases please see Horwin v. American Home Products, Inc., No. 00 CV 04523 (C.D. Cal., May 12, 2003); Rivard v. American Home Products, Inc., 391 N.J.Super. 129, 917 A.2d 286 (App. Div. 2007).

    I have also published in peer-reviewed journals on this issue - Anticancer Res. 20/6C (2000) 4745-4750; J. Natl. Cancer Inst. 94(3): 229-229 (2002). As you are aware, oral polio vacien is no longer manufactured in the United States. It was my position, both before the Institutes of Medicine (Immunization Safety Review: SV40 Contamination of Polio Vaccine and Cancer,
    http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10534.html. I have testified before Congress; Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness, 108 Cong. 1st Sess., Nov. 13, 2003, Serial No. 108-127, available at
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108
    _house_hearing&docid=f:92772.pdf
    as well as in litigation, that the oral polio vaccine was contaminated with SV40 up until it was last sold in 1999. There was some early contamination with SV40 in IPV but I have no indication one way or the other whether the recent IPV vaccine was or was not contaminated. The process for getting rid of SV40 in IPV vaccine was much easier than an OPV vaccine.

    If you are interested in reviewing any of these mateiarls you can find most of them in reported decisions and in the published material. If you have any information on SV40 and autism I would greatly appreciate you furnishing me the same.

    Thank you,
    Stanley P. Kops

    Tony Bateson,

    It sounds like you might be new here.

    Welcome!

    Lots of people are working independently, and now (more and more) together and uncovering truths about autism, including the fact that vaccines can, and frequently do, cause autism.

    It's seems not quite correct to say "No vaccines=no autism," since there have been a few cases mentioned here of unvaccinated children with autism. But you are working on a very central truth, which has also been stated as "more vaccines=more autism."
    Lots more.

    Another study, done by Generation Rescue, on vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children may also be of interest to you (www.generationrescue.org). You may also be familiar with, or interested in, the work of Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD.

    The most important thing, in my opinion, is to work together (politically, grassroots, or both) to get real information out to the people who need it most. And then to CHANGE what's happening!

    I've looked briefly at your website and I'm impressed by what I've seen so far. I very much hope you will join your energy with those of us here at AOA--we don't agree on everything--see some of the recent political comments :)--but we have *plenty* of common ground to move forward!

    Terri Lewis

    I started asking the many hundreds of parents of autistic children I knew from the point Andrew Wakefield indicated that vaccines might be involved in autism.

    I put up a web site, wrote to hundreds of medics and researchers, visited the USA in Nov 2002 when I told the Geiers of my search, then spoke at about 20 other conferences, total parent/professional numbers over 2,000, had more than twenty newspaper articles (including national press), a few radio broadcasts and so on. Results still no unvaccinated autistic people in this country where about two and a half millions of kids have not had childhood vaccines. Conclusion; no vaccines = no autism.

    Tony Bateson www.autismobserved.net

    My sister got CMV in the 70's which we now know came from the monkey virus. She was the first case known in New York City. She was horribly sick for a whole year and had to stay in bed.

    CMV IN BLOOD SUPPLY: in 1994 I got 2 units of blood transfused after a car accident. I turned orange and got very sick within 6 weeks. Although negative at first, a follow up HepC test was positive BUT in the meantime CMV tests were done. So it seems to me the profession considered this a routine contaminant in the blood supply. Tighter screening tests were implemented in 1998 so I don't know if CMV would be screened out after that. Just a real life experience that indicates viral contamination may be common in our population. And after the polio vaccine - is that why doctors suspect CMV when patients get sick after transfusion?

    Kent,
    Sorry for the error in the link. It should be:
    http://www.fda.gov/cber/minutes/0910evolv.txt

    Kent,
    http://www.fda.gov/cber/minutes/091evolv.txt
    SV40 did got into the scientific literature.
    But when they find contaminant, they never publish it in a scientific journal or anywhere. When they do not find a suspected contaminant they do publish that in a journal like Biologicals but not when they actually do find something.

    Amanda-I can't see for the life of me why it would make you sick that some people have had success and rid their children of what has to be for some children a "private hell"-sure some people with Aspergers and maybe even some people with autism are happy with the way they are and they can even express this. On the other hand, I think some recovered children are a lot better off now that they can more effectively communicate. Neurodiversity is fine-we all have different brains-but you can't tell me that some of these children with severe autism are o.k. with it. Yes, in SOME cases there may be a genetic basis.

    I usually don't comment on my own articles but I thought I should bring up a few important points.

    I checked with the California medical authorities before my first article ran and Dr. Martin is licensed to practice medicine and has no complaints listed in public records. The web-site which stated his medical license was stripped, is, to the best of my knowledge, false.

    As to Janine Robert's Book, "Fear of the Invisible", I'm currently reading it, although I understand it makes some claims the viruses are not to be feared, which I believe goes a bit beyond current evidence.

    However, on page 10 of the book I found the following passage:

    "I met also with Professor John Martin, who held the chair of pathology at the University of Southern California. He told me he was sure other monkey viruses must have been in the vaccine alongside SV40. He had tracked down one of these; it was cytomegalovirus (SCMV) from African Green Monkeys. He suspected it as having a role in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. This was getting more horrifying. SV40 might only be the tip of the iceberg. If one monkey virus got in, scores of others might have got in, too.

    How could this happen? Dr. Maurice Hilleman, whom I had interviewed previously about MMR made a presentation at the workshop on how they found SV40 in the polio vaccine back in 1961!"

    For the reader who commented that we should leave it to the experts, I've waited nine years for an answer to my daughter's problems. If you're comfortable to wait, be my guest!

    All the best,
    Kent Heckenlively

    Harold: didn't mean to ignore, I just got busy the last little while. I have to say that I haven't specifically looked up much to do with Dr. Martin-obviously there seems to be reason for caution (from reading some of the comments) Thank you for the link and I will try to delve into this. There are so many theories coming out now as to the causes of autism and I think it's good to keep an open mind with regard to them -I do believe one way or another that the vaccines either trigger or cause the problem.
    I find this SV-40 stuff intriquing because a few years ago when I was beyond exhausted I tested positive for cytomegalovirus (didn't even think to ask if it was the human or simian kind!! haha)
    I remember reading in one of those alternative health magazines about 15 years ago about SV-40 and I actually called up Connaught Laboratories and asked if it was true. The poor girl at the 1-800 desk took a few days to get back to me and she seemed shocked herself to look into it and tell me that, yes, it was true. I asked if there were any particular "lots" or batches that she could track and she said, "no, it was across the board."
    Bottom line for me these days its that there really isn't an impressive study out there (the Columbia one doesn't even have a proper control group) that says there is no link between vaccination and all the different problems (SIDS, ADHD,autism,asthma etc.) I just wish that more of the scientist and medical community would have an open mind.

    @ Amanda,
    Yeah, I'm sure my son would like us to accept the fact that he's in constant pain from severe bowel disease and just tell him to suck it up. Wouldn't life be easier if we ignored the fact that he has severe immune dysfunction and is at risk for greater health issues later in life because of it.
    Who are you to judge what other people are doing for THEIR children? You'd rather we ignore our son's cry for help when he's had his 3rd accident of the day because at 10 he's not potty trained due to uncontrollable bowel movements? You want to talk about making someone sick??
    You ignore your child's needs all you want but keep your opinion out of what I'm doing to help my son. He deserves the best treatment we can get in order for him to live a healthy full life.

    I have the same concerns that Harold and other "naysayers" have about Dr. Martin's theory - and especially his treatment protocol. I don't think Harold will ever get his question answered after having asked several times - because I don't think what he's looking for exists. That's worrisome, but I am open-minded and can understand why Dr. Martin's theory would not be embraced - especially by mainstream science and medicine.

    I am intrigued by this study, but I am not yet ready to make the plunge. My "snake oil radar" is going off. I hope I'm wrong. I am thrilled that Kent is putting it to the test and will be able to report back with an unbiased, analytical methodology. As an AoA editor, I think he's the perfect candidate!

    Kent, Here is interesting website.
    http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com

    Jennifer

    I am glad that you are "one of those" who have researched the subject. I have also done some research, particularly on Dr. Martin's theory and treatment. The only articles I can find are those by .... Dr. Martin. See:

    Autism and Stealth-Adapted Viruses - Science or Non-Sense?

    http://autisminnb.blogspot.com/2008/08/autism-and-stealth-adapted-viruses.html

    Can you provide some references to articles in credible journals that have reviewed and commented on Dr Martin's work ... or take it seriously?

    How insulting. When will you people just accept that our children are autistic because that is who they are - genetically? And be proud of them for who they are?
    Honor neurodiversity. You make me sick.

    Very interesting, Kent! Don't worry about the naysayers. From your posts on AofA, I believe you to be a very concientious dad who would only do the best for his children. In addition, if we don't investigate the theories, we'll certainly never find the answers to why our kids are so sick. Kudos to you, and good luck. I look forward to hearing your results.

    I loved reading The Vaccine and the Virus! Compelling to say the least. Shortly after I finished it, I saw a documentary called The Origin of AIDS on cable. Being so involved in vaccine issues/safety I was interested in watching the process the doctors used in making the polio vaccine...It was so barbaric, disgusting and literally made me sick to my stomach just to hear them tell it. The movie has stayed with me as much as the book, I encourage anyone to see it.

    I am reading another good book right now called Poisoned Profits: The Toxic Assault on our Children by Philip and Alice Shabecoff. They address our autism issue (with the Blaxill family right there in Chapter 10!) in addition to chilhood cancer, asthma, birth defects, adhd, and the other usual suspects making our kids sick.

    Kent, I read the book a couple of years ago and what repeatedly struck me was the wall of denial built around the vaccine program by our governemnt and modern medicine. The same thing is happening with the link between autism and vaccines and neurological damage in 1:6 kids and vaccines.

    The pattern is clear that the federal agancies and Pharma will lie, lie, lie, in order to save the vaccine program at any cost.

    Harry Hofherr

    It's interesting that finally I see the monkey viruses mentioned related to autism. Our daughter is on the autism spectrum. For the past 3 years we are using energetic medicine, and she has been improving by clearing the monkey viruses, which have been hard to get rid of.

    I am wary of this theory and treatment, and I am into biomedical. I tend to tread the safe, conservative edge of alternative treatments for autism.

    If you go on facebook, you will easily find marketing-like sales pitches for this treatment. It feels like someone is making money on this. Something smells...

    We chelated our son after months and months of personal research and preparation, so be aware that I'm not automatically against alternative theories, but you "hear things" (that's all I can say publicly) that this may not be all it's pushed as being, and possibly dangerous.

    Sorry editors of AoA, but you should really speak to someone with science knowledge who you trust, because this topic merits scrutiny.

    Due to the (deserved!) mistrust of the mainstream medical community, I wonder if then make mistakes in the other direction in being too trusting. We sometimes jump to back up iffy therapies too quickly?

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