Vote For Jenny. Now.

Another site has pitted Jenny against Amanda. VOTE HERE.   The folks at Science Blogs have mobbed the site - to the point where the site actually calls them out on it:  [Update: Welcome Scienceblogs readers! Your poll mobbing is indeed impressive.] Bump her book up Amazon's chart HERE.

(PS) Ecorazzi is a combo of Eco for Green and Razzi for Paparazzi.  "News and gossip on celebrities and notables in support of the environment and humanitarian causes." Think Perez Hilton wearing Birkenstocks.  Everything that rhymes with Nazi doesn't deserve the name.  There's no reason to go after their site when they say they were "polled mobbed" which means a group comes in and stuffs the ballot box. All's fair in love and autism, friends. Michael, I'm sorry.  KS

Comments

[Lise Collins]

It's kind of ironic she is calling us parasites, when she is the one injected her young child with parasites, Hmmmm.

We can't judge her for being uneducated in the subject of vaccines. She is young and obviously oblivious on the subject.

Maybe we should just stop warning everyone and be quiet for awhile and see what happens. Take care, everyone, we know the truth...don't we.

Lise

[Twyla]

I guess I have been "feeding the trolls" at this "ecorazzi" site, and my question for Craig or any other AoA readers is what exactly is meant by the term "trolls" in this context? Is this a word that has taken on a specific meaning in relation to blogs, or is it just being used in a general sense to mean big ugly bloggers, so to speak?

I sometimes argue with these folks not in the hope of convincing them, but in the hope of conveying another side of the story to other readers and to the news personnel who manage the blog...

BTW, Jenny's votes went up to 11%. Still much less than she deserves, but a sizable increase anyway.

[Randy]

"And then it *hit me* like a ton of bricks: He's doing the 5,000 mile cross-country trek so he can avoid holding his wife's purse"

ok - just when i thought the purse thing dust had settled, there are 2 purse-holding references on this site today

first it was the man song
http://www.toilette-humor.com/the-man-song.html
now there's the "man bag"
http://www.manbag.com/

I thought that "we, the He-man Woman-haters club promise not to fall for this [purse] business because girls are the bunk."...?

Courage, my non-purse-holding friends...

[Michael]

"which think tank is behind the econazzi site anyway?"

Think Tank? Wow.

And Econazzi? Really? Did you just compare the site to Nazism?

Very sad play on words there, Barbara.

[Dan]

Re-posting Alan C's comment because I think it's very well thought out.

"I wonder why some people on this site are unhappy about people at a Science Blog (and I am one of them) taking part in the poll? After all, how we vote will be determined by what the scientific evidence says, which is why most of us voted for Amanda. If you think the scientific evidence actually supports Jenny then you should welcome the support of people who can be expected to understand that evidence more than the general population.

If we had voted the other way you would no doubt be very happy and use it as evidence that you are right, but when we don't you try to play it down as if it is irrelevant."

If the scientific evidence supported your side you would be welcoming the input of scientists from blogs they frequent.

[Trish]

To all of you Amanda Peet/Paul Offit followers:
Go ahead and vaccinate your kids... no one is telling you not to. Just don't tell me that my daughter is a parasite for withholding further vaccines after one of her children regressed following a single, thimerosal containing flu shot. Oh yeah, the vaccine was given just a week after he received his MMR, which caused him to spike a fever and break out in a measle-like rash! Maybe he would have come through it ok had his immune system not been on overload...who knows. But he changed from that day forward. A year later, the diet, supplements and chelation put him on the road back to us. Prior to his biomedical tratments, Speech, OT, Floor Time Therapy and a special needs pre-school did nothing to help him, developmentally. He was incapable of focusing enough to benefit. Today he is in a regular 1st grade with no supports... highly recovered. I really don't care if he never becomes fully "cured" or not, though I am happy to see that his progress is ongoing. Biomedical treatments healed him from the inside out! Once he began to feel better, his ability to learn, soared.

He will never receive another vaccine. It's up to my daughters whether or not the other children will continue to be vaccinated. But if this turns out to be the case, they have informed me that it will be done cautiously, sparingly and on a modified schedule. A single reaction from any of them, and any future vaccinations will be suspended as well.
See? Not all parents and advocates are anti-vaccine. Just damned cautious!!!! That's what happens when one of your own has been directly affected!!!

To Jenny McCarthy, I say "God Bless You, and don't ever stop advocating for our children!"

And to Amanda Peet... If Dr. Paul Offit, your vaccine advisor, offers to inject your child with the 10,000 vaccines that he claims are safe for an infant to handle, will you take him up on it
offering your child as the test case? I certainly hope not. She certainly deserves better than that. And if she has safely accepted the multiple vaccines given to her thus far, then great...continue to vaccinate her. Congratulations...she's among the majority of children who appear to effectively excrete toxins and possibly benefit from our aggressive vacination program. Just remember that for a subset of children, it's a game of Russian Roulette. Way too many of our kids have been the victim of the spin, my grandson among them.

"Educate before you vaccinate"

[BARBARA]

I AM amazed at how many dumb people there are on this subject. do some research for pete sake. do you know whats in your babys vaccine? YOU WOULD BE SHOCKED. I WAS. LOOK AT THE POISIONS THEY PUT INTO A NEW BABY WHO IS TRYING TO BUILD UP THEIR IMNUNITY. FOUR HOURS AFTER BIRTH. ANEW BORNED GETS A HEBITITUS B SHOT. TELL ME HOW CRAZY IS THAT? THIS BABY IS GOING RIGHT OUT AND HAVE SEXS.

[olerist]

which think tank is behind the econazzi site anyway?

[Kelli Ann Davis]

(Pssst Craig: I was literally thinking about you yesterday wondering where the heck you were.

And then it *hit me* like a ton of bricks: He's doing the 5,000 mile cross-country trek so he can avoid holding his wife's purse.)

[kar23]

Craig, I was wondering what happened to you, glad you popped in. And how tantalizing you post is...can't wait.

Tom, why is it that studies that have ALL be debunked by heh CDC are still being held as truth to people like you? It's a joke. Except that it is not funny. The scientific evidence you speak of was recently debunked in a House of Appropriations Com, by none ote than JULIE GERBERDING herself.
Please, stop spreading useless info as fact!

[Terri Lewis]

Hey, Craig W.--

Nice to see you here again--you have been missed!

We're eager to hear about the study and results. . .give details when you can.

And, you're right, of course--don't feed the trolls!

Terri L.

P.S. Stagmom--love that cool head whilst all around you are losing theirs--and giving encouragement/hope/help for others as the nastiness and childish insults fly. Go, Kim :)

[PhillyLisa for Chris]

Chris, I got hit with comments similar to that on the LA Times site. But they were coming from one of those neurodiversity types who think it's just fine being "autistic" so therefore my child should have to be vaccinated so that she and others with impaired immune systems won't die. Uh, thanks to vaccines, my daughter now has an impaired immune system. Seriously, if any parent knew in advance that their child was going to have autism as a result of a vaccine, would that parent allow the vaccine and say autism is OK, it's not like it will kill you? No way. I'd rip out and donate my own organs for another child before I would knowingly offer up my own child. Her life and well-being are not mine to sacrifice, and had I known what vaccines would do to her she would not have received them.

[sdtech]

Michael

“I remain objective to hearing both sides -- especially as a concerned future father with a kid on the way.”

A must read is the Simpsonwood meeting transcript, June 7-8,2000.

[Stagmom]

When I hear from parents of older kids I want to tell them "It's not too late!" Do you remember the story of the woman at the NAA conference last Fall who put her 40 something year old son on the the GFCF diet and he spoke his first words? Reba McIntyre! It's tragic that these parents did have the benefit of a Jenny in their lives - and so they really believe with their hearts and souls that there was nothing they could have done for their own kids. To learn they were wrong must be a double kick to the gut. Imagine the pain? So we need to help them along. Share our knowledge. Older people with autism did not have a door slam in their faces when they turned 12 or 16 or 18 or 21. There is ALWAYS hope to make life better. Reach out to them. Don't be surprised if many bite your hand. The wounds and guilt are so deep. But if only a handful accept some new ideas and help their adult children that's a very good thing.

[Andrea for Nancy H]

Nancy,

You should have the last response patented (trademarked). You are sooooo right. Very well said. And this:

Whenever I read comments by parents whose ASD kids are 25+ years old, invariably they quote mainstream media and skewed CDC statistics that basically project their home situation onto others. Makes me wince, like seeing Grandpa do the Hustle.

...made me laugh out loud!

Thanks

[genesgalore]

it's high fructose corn syrup that is causing the epidemic. mark my words.

[nhokkanen]

Many of the "no link" writers here are clearly out of the inside game, and are either naive, underinformed, misinformed or pathologically incapable of sympathy.

Whenever I read comments by parents whose ASD kids are 25+ years old, invariably they quote mainstream media and skewed CDC statistics that basically project their home situation onto others. Makes me wince, like seeing Grandpa do the Hustle.

Or other reductionist letters ask for the vaccine/autism issue in a nutshell. But these hit-and-run message boards are not the place where one should decide whether vaccines are injuring some children.

I keep trying to find an analogy that will help people understand how deeply offensive and it is to have the medical history of a vaccine-injured child dismissed as a tall tale. (Not to mention counterproductive.) And to add insult to injury, the latecomers give their SAGE ADVICE.

Having someone advise me to "trust the real scientists and doctors" is so indicative of wishful thinking rather than reality. Who's the judge of "real" -- their trade organization, the AMA & AAP?

And puh-leeeez, stop telling us to love our kids, as if we don't already. How presumptuously offensive.

And good God almighty, if "anecdotal evidence is no evidence," then Jenner would never have invented the smallpox vaccine. Unbelievable what crappy generalizations people will spew.

[B8ovin]

I don't understand a single argument here in support of vaccination caused autism. Is the claim more or less true because the poll was mobbed? Is the claim more or less true because of the pictures of the non-expert celebrities? Is the claim more or less true because of the vehement attitudes of commenters?

Heck I don't even understand McCarthy's significance within the debate. I mean, I own a dog but that doesn't qualify me to be veterinarian. However, I particularly like the comment about the study that can't be discussed for legal reasons. That's a sure sign of real science- it is predicated on legality. And of course, if it's called a study it CAN'T be wrong!

[Alan C]

I wonder why some people on this site are unhappy about people at a Science Blog (and I am one of them) taking part in the poll? After all, how we vote will be determined by what the scientific evidence says, which is why most of us voted for Amanda. If you think the scientific evidence actually supports Jenny then you should welcome the support of people who can be expected to understand that evidence more than the general population.

If we had voted the other way you would no doubt be very happy and use it as evidence that you are right, but when we don't you try to play it down as if it is irrelevant.

[Craig Willoughby]

Hey all of my friends here at AoA.

Kim and editors, we have been targeted by one of the "ScienceBlogs" and they are attempting to provoke us, something that is completely typical of their childish and idiotic lot. Just thought I would warn all of you not to feed the trolls.

Oh, and a little something about my absense.
I am involved in an independant study that, so far, shows some very surprising results (well, not for some of us). I can't give details at the moment because of legal reasons, but I will say that all of those f-ing assholes on the "ScienceBlog" sites are going to owe all of us a HUGE apology soon. I'll keep all of you posted with details as soon as I am able.