Stealth Viruses - The Secret Face of Autism?

By Kent Heckenlively, Esq.

In November of 1995, Dr. W. John Martin, chief of the Immunology/Molecular Pathology Unit at the Los Angeles County Medical Center, as well as a Professor of Pathology at the University of Southern California,  presented findings to the Institute of Medicine suggesting that the polio vaccine had been contaminated with simian cytomegalovirus from African Green Monkeys.  (The polio vaccine was cultured in kidney tissue from African Green Monkeys.)

Dr. Martin was concerned because his research suggested that the virus was spreading from infected individuals and causing a wide range of neurological problems. Yet the virus was not activating any of the typical inflammatory markers, thus causing medical practitioners to miss the problem.  He referred to this virus as a “stealth adapted virus” because of its ability to evade the body’s immune responses.

According to Dr. Martin, his unsolicited proposals to the FDA and CDC to test polio vaccine lots for the simian cytomegalovirus were so threatening to the medical establishment that his laboratory at USC was closed and his research funding confiscated.  Despite the great toll this research had taken on his professional life, Dr. Martin continued to pursue these stealth adapted viruses.

Using his own personal support, Dr. Martin was able to identify the presence of a stealth adapted virus in the brain biopsy of a child with neurological problems, who later died.  An account of this can be found in the article “Complex Intracellular Inclusions in the Brain of a Child with a Stealth Virus Encephalopathy” and is available online at www.sciencedirect.com.   

Looking at the samples from this child under a high-powered electron microscope, one thing which was immediately apparent was that these stealth viruses were damaging the mitochondria, the body’s powerhouse for cellular energy.

Dr. Martin first became interested in autism as a result of treating women with chronic fatigue syndrome.  He noted that some of these mothers had children with autism.  Could an infectious agent be passed from mother to child?  Dr. Martin was led further along this path by the reported observation of abnormal head growth during the first year of life in children who were subsequently diagnosed with autism, as well as abnormal neuropeptide levels from cord blood. 

It was apparent to Dr. Martin that these children were entering the world with significant challenges, which may have been exacerbated by their vaccines or other environmental exposures.

Early in his research Dr. Martin worked with Zaki Saluhuddin, a co-discoverer of the HHV-6 virus. They realized that stealth adaptation could potentially occur with all types of human and animal viruses, but that the use of vaccines had likely greatly increased the prevalence of infections caused by such viruses.  Dr. Martin published a study along with Dr. Tom Glass showing that patient-derived stealth-adapted viruses caused severe neurological disease when inoculated into animals, without any accompanying inflammatory reaction, the accepted hallmark of an infectious disease. 

Based on numerous virus cultures, and confirmed by Zaki Salahuddin, direct evidence for a stealth adapted virus infection was seen in the vast majority of patients with autism. A research article describing this finding was published in 1995. In his opinion “an autistic or severely learning disabled child should be considered as being stealth virus infected unless a negative culture shows otherwise.”

Martin believes that these stealth viruses strike at the mitochondria, causing the severe damage of autism and other neurological problems. The mitochondria insufficiency renders the child susceptible to environmental challenges that can place further demands on the body’s energy needs. Unfortunately, the immune system is relatively powerless to deal with stealth adapted viruses.

However, the body can potentially respond through what Dr. Martin calls the alternative cellular energy (ACE) pathway. Martin believes that in addition to food metabolism via the mitochondria, the body has another means of acquiring cellular energy that is somewhat similar to photosynthesis. He compares the ACE pathway to an electrical system of batteries, switches, and currents.

With the help of Mr. BJ McKelvie, Dr. Martin is supporting a transparent double-blind investigational research study to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of a non-drug approach to activate the body’s ACE pathway. Parents participating in the study are openly reporting on their findings and many are seeing quite remarkable improvements. 

The therapy is performed in a child’s home, and consists of putting a dye activated ACE-like material on a thin paper towel placed upon a plastic sheet laid onto the child’s skin. The material is illuminated for 30-60 minutes with an ultraviolet light.  The procedure can be repeated over several days, with many improvements being noted even after the first treatment. The cost for those who can afford to pay for the study is $350, and includes the materials, including the light, training video and compilation of results. Tax deductible donations are being sought for those who cannot afford the present cost.

Parents are required to fill out very detailed weekly journals on their child’s progress and to provide summaries, which can be read in their entirety at www.acepathway.ca.  Parents are claiming that among the documented results are markedly improved social interactions with far better eye contact, verbal speech, reading ability, attention span, and in one patient, the control of previously uncontrollable seizures, allowing for the discontinuation of seizure medication.

Dr. Martin is confident that, although still investigational, this therapy promises a low cost and effective approach to treating children with autism.   Jump starting the ACE pathway can help suppress the underlying viral infection, allowing normal mitochondrial function to resume, along with normal development.  He is aware of reported recoveries of children from changes in diet, chelation, hyperbaric chambers, etc., but feels that these methods only rarely achieve the levels of recovery occurring with direct stimulation of the ACE pathway.

For further information on this approach you can visit www.iminhere.ca. and www.s3support.com.

Kent Heckenlively is Legal Editor for Age of Autism.

Comments

[Cherie Autism ~ Mom]

I am retracting my original statement that this study is good. I am now of the opposite opinion as my child SERIOUSLY regressed from an expired product. There are several children who have had serious to mild reactions from the expired and new products being offered and endorsed through this study. These children have been ignored by Dr. W. John Martin and he made it quite clear during a recorded conference call on Nov, 23, 2008 that he was not committed to these children and would only provide one charge to their system and that is it. No other product can be obtained. I would also strongly suggest that people beware of BJ McKelvie as he has maliciously slandered me and others all over the ACE Pathways website and through emails and telephone calls which are all blatant lies.

This is not different than offering one treatment of chemotherapy, then shoving a cancer patient out the door and telling them they are on their own.

I was a study monitor and I was told in writing, on the site and from Dr. W. John Martin & BJ McKelvie that this study was approved by Health Canada and the FDA. I have NOT been able to find anything to support this and would strongly advise that anyone looking at the study use extreme caution before proceeding.

[Cherie Peattie - Cherie~Autism Mom]

Hi Interested...

Feel free to visit the website for more information http://www.acepathway.ca I am not sure about pre teen aspergers cases. My son is 5 and we have various children of different ages in the study. There is a young girl on the page named "Neathery" and her mother is Shari.

Neathery has done very well and is a young pre teen or early teen. Feel free to email mail me if you wish to speak further with this mom. I can ask her to email you.

Email me at: cherie@iminhere.ca

[Interested]

Does anyone have any experience using this treatment for a pre-teen with Asperger's? I'm quite convinced there is an HHV-6 connection with my son's ASD.

It seems that sometimes it can be more difficult to observe noticable changes with verbal and academically non-struggling children when doing various therapies. I'm interested in others' observations after the treatment with such things as reduction/elimination of eczema, OCD-ish type improvements, better able to stay organized, more capable of handling stressful situations, improvements with sensory challenges, and more ease with social interactions overall.

Anyone have an older child with Asperger's who has done this treatment and would care to share their experience?

Much thanks,

(Very) Interested

[Gabe's Gramma]

I recently visited my Grandson Gabe, I was worried that he might not remember his Gramma, (because they moved an hour away) boy was I wrong! He was so happy to see me, and so loveable. He used to only give his Mommy kisses, but now he gives them to me. I noticed quite a change in him. He makes more eye contact then ever. Jade sang "Old MacDonald Had a farm" to him, and when it got to the part(eieio) he said it right on cue. He really checks things out when were shopping. Before he was just in his own world. He's actually saying words that I can understand now. I am so glad that Jade and Mike are working so hard with this study. I truly believe it is helping him, and I'm excited to see how much more he improves with it. Keep up the good work Jade and Mike.

[Sara Iverson]

I my self have a child that has been to said to be austistic. I feel that what these doctors are doing is great. I want to have my son be as close to average as he can be like his sibblings. please keep up the good work and keep trying.

[G. Robert]

"I would ask that you simply leave this issue alone and not respond any further."
--> Calling in the troops, are you?

"I urge all participant’s not to respond any longer. Let’s maintain our dignity –"
--> Sorry, it's a little late for that.

"There are now 288 people who disagree with Grace and her/his followers."
--> Disagree with her on what exactly? Back up your statement. I dare you. You are completely delusional - and anyone with half a brain reading through these comments can see that, plain as day.

"Grace as this person claims to call themselves –"
--> A strategy you are quite familiar with. Isn't that right BJ and Cherie? Oops, I mean "Innocent Bystander" and "Leon Griffith". Do you actually think the readers aren't observant enough to recognize your writing style?

--> Based solely on the people involved with spearheading this study, I call it a SHAM.

[Sam Walden]

I would certainly say that Mr. McKelvie has proved his point beyond the shadow of a doubt.

[Grace]

"Grace and others here seem to have no interest in our children."

And yet another unwarranted slam from the generous Reverend (at least that's what "Rev." is usually understood to be, Mr. McKelvie) - Thank you for sharing with me!

Frankly, I would prefer to be a recipient of your virtual charity than your financial charity. I have been so impressed & encouraged at all of the compassion & concern - and interest - that you enthusiasts have shown for me, my situation & my children - how could I possibly continue to think negative things about you, let alone think those things that I have never actually thought in the first place...

I am amazed that you all have no time to skim thru what has actually been posted by others here or explain the fundamental information that you have learned about this theory & study, but you have plenty of time to run around pogo-posting & indulging in these creative writing efforts & criticizing a parent you know less than nothing about (that would be what happens when you have been given some info, disregard it, and start making up your own).

Now, I can go to ARI & DAN! and find tons of info on multiple theories, studies, etc, without a whole lot of effort as I sit here supervising my children's schoolwork. And one might think that Dr. Martin would find it more efficient to just make something the equivalent of a FAQ page than hanging out on the phone to answer each & every parent who wants more info, but the norm is an unreasonable thing here apparently.

Yes, feel free to move along, please. Hopefully, eventually, we'll find someone willing to shed light rather than heat...

[Rev. BJ McKelvie]

I would like to extend this to all participants in the study. Arguing the point here has become fruitless. I along with you so want to defend the accomplishments our children have made. I would ask that you simply leave this issue alone and not respond any further. It is evident to anyone that nothing you say and the hours we take away from our children arguing with these people will change their minds. It has been unfounded rebuttal after rebuttal with no true meaning or compassion. I for one will not defend myself against such foolishness any longer. I have gone from being called BJ to having my name reduced and mocked as “reverend”. This is a title that I hold dear to and worked hard for to even have that attacked. Our family members have been attacked and belittled and these people have tried to make a mockery of the study. It will not happen; our resolve will not be shaken because when you look at your child you seem to forget this foolish thread. People following this thread have seen what it has become and the lunacy of the arguments. Grace as this person claims to call themselves is out for a professional argument and it is obvious that her/his intentions are never to read or research the data. Please I urge everyone involved with the study to let these people move on to their next target. It is no longer a pursuit of information on their part and that is obvious. I do know that this will be proven by a stiff response by Grace and the few others so just keep watching. I have come to expect this and find it rather amusing now. Once again Grace, we go to Doctors to ask questions and hope they can find answers. John Martin is a Medical Doctor with incredible credentials. I would like to be confused as to why we would ask anyone other than a Doctor about medical issues but how can I, it is what we do. For full directions you go to the creator of something to discover how it truly works. I do know that the critics will spend time and energy to respond to this post in a most argumentative manner. I fail to see what can be argued about this but I am sure you will all see. To all, let's please focus on the children. Grace and others here seem to have no interest in our children. I would invite Grace once again to call the Doctor involved or myself. It has yet to happen. Grace or whoever you claim to be, when we get sick we go to Doctors not construction workers. As for having any other scientist or doctor call, interview or look at Rylie, I will gladly do so to prove a point. We are just about to have Rylie reassessed by a Peds team and I am excited for the results. You can’t argue what we have seen. This is a biomedical treatment that is now evidence based and the results come in daily. I must confess that this ongoing thread has driven registrations through the roof. There are now 288 people who disagree with Grace and her/his followers. It works…and nothing you can say will prove otherwise. I urge all participant’s not to respond any longer. Let’s maintain our dignity and enjoy our children.

[Jade ~Autism Mom]

So Grace, you don't have time to research and "track-down" info about that book for people, but you happen to have time to go back and scan 57+ entries on here for the questions for Cherie to answer? Hmmmm.....interesting.
I have a strange feeling that you and a few others posting on this site are affiliated in some way and are just trying to cling to anything you can to turn people against us. You claim to be a victim in everything you say or try to point out about this study. We are not horrible people and we are not here to argue with you about silly, petty things. We are here to HELP parents of children with autism and give them information about this study. Which is the whole point of this article. Even the editor of this article is now registering for this study and has written a new article explaining his thoughts about this forum.
If you aren't interested in participating then that's fine, but don't try to get other parents to jump on your bandwagon against us for doing something different and new. We have all told you that we researched this before signing up our children. We did.
I suggest you do the same......here is the website to get some information to answer your apparently "unanswered questions"... www.acepathway.ca . * Watch the video on Stealth Adapted Viruses by Dr. Martin himself. It literally explains EVERYTHING you are asking us. It will take you 30 minutes of your time to watch and you won't have to keep asking us the same questions over and over.

[Rachel Parcher]

I agree with innocent bystander.... enough with the bickering and rightiousness on both sides.

When I first heard about this study I went to the site and watched the videos and read the info and decided for myself that this was something that interested me and I wanted to try for my child. I told myself if it is half as good as they claim it will be worth it and the side effects are minimal and I do not have to drug my child, give him needles etc. So we went for it and have noticed many positive results.

Just to see my son smile on his own wihout being tickled is amazing. This is not a miracle treatment but I personally feel what we have gained so far was worth the risk in the end. But this is a conclusion each parent has to come to on their own if they think this is right for their child.

Anyway I hope people start to drop this hostility towards each other.... from both sides as it will just keep gong back and forth and more and more people will be offended, turned off and discouraged.

I believe both sides have fault in the arguing and trying to cover your butt afterwards and appear innocent is lame.

In the end we all have the right to our opinion.... it's called freedom of speech. sometimes it's beter not to scatch that nagging itch but to apply some ointment instead.....

just my opinion......

[Cherie Peattie - Cherie~Autism Mom]

Grace,

If you have enough time to respond to all of these posts, then you have a lot of time to read Dr. Martins research.

[Grace]

Jade, all I can guess is that you guys must be hopping forums or something. At least I am trying to find a way to rationalize these irrational posts reacting to things that have not actually been said (& somehow missing that which actually has been said).

You all keep dropping in to accuse people of stuff that is simply not happening over here in our little corner of the net. The worst thing I have said to "Aunt Doris" is that she should (1) actually read the posts here so that she knows who has actually said what & (2) she needs to support her accusations of insults with some facts.

I am not singling her out or insulting her - those are my general recommendations for your whole feisty little crew since I now have you claiming that I said "that since she doesn't personally have a child with autism that she doesn't "know" anything about them." Let me assure you that I never said any such thing - not even in a parallel universe - so either put up or hush up with that nonsense already.

Further case in point - Cherie, in attempting to answer some questions, states that this is the first she has seen of the questions I posed. Cherie, I went back thru all these comments here to get them - you have only to go back to the beginning & scan. It did not take any significant length of time to do.

I also did not ask anyone to provide us with a detailed thesis or defend a doctoral dissertation (or explain how to perform heart surgery). Some of us are simply trying to get a basic understanding of the hypothesis that Dr. Martin is working from. Surely you would not subject your children to any treatment without having at least a fundamental understanding of its purpose & what is being used on them *first*?

I appreciate that you at least made an effort to provide some info, so I am not going to comment on your answers other than to thank you for your attempt, though I would suggest that you might want to learn a little more about ARI & DAN! (Like the person who recommended "Children with Starving Brains" or Dr. Jepson's new book - copies of these are available at many public libraries) because your responses regarding those organizations indicate some misunderstandings about their efforts.

Hopefully, Dan Olmsted will be able to follow up on this article and provide a little more concrete info for those of us who are interested in getting some details, but don't have time to chase it all down, parse the research, & perform the interviews ourselves.

[Jade ~Autism Mom]

Also Grace,

I just saw that Cherie helped you to answer the "questions" that no one has answered for you this whole time. I'd like to mention that we have all in some way answered every one of those questions that you mentioned, except for the one about why boys are more affected than girls. That would be something you should talk to a medical professional about, like Dr. Martin.
My thoughts on that is that girls with autism are found to be misdiagnosed a lot due to the fact that they have less signs of autism than boys show. The language is usually more developed in most girls with autism than boys. I know at least 3 girls who show signs of autism but are not dx because their doctor rules it out since they have language development at an early age. Girls talk a lot more than boys in general so that could be a reason why it shows more in boys.
Just my thoughts on that question and like I said, I am not a medical professional and cannot answer some of the questions being asked by us parents in this study. This was an example of a great question that was asked, but unfair to ask a parent in this study and expect an educated answer from us. Like Cherie said, it's like asking a nurse how to perform open heart surgery.

[Jade ~Autism Mom]

Grace-

I'm going to make one thing clear here for you. My "Aunt Doris" is posting on here for ONE reason, because I asked her to. She is in no way mis-informed about anything and she has been %100 committed to Gabe, my autistic child, since the day he was born. She was just visiting him , if you had bothered to read her first post you would know this, at our house a few weeks ago and experienced the changes in him first hand since starting this treatment. I am personally offended that you would tell her that since she doesn't personally have a child with autism that she doesn't "know" anything about them. How wrong you actually are with that statement and I'm sure that a lot of grandparents who read that are completely offended as well. They baby sit, help raise and support, and love our autistic babies just as much as we do! I asked her and my mother to comment on here about what they have seen since Gabe has began treatment just to HELP other parents who might want to hear from others who aren't directly connected to this study like I am. Sorry if you have other views on that. I find it odd that you are so worried about my aunt commenting on this study and not knowing anything about autism, but soaked in everything BJ's relative (who is Riley's AUNT) and didn't tell her that she knew nothing about autism???
As for what you said about my Aunt just "jumping in" without reading the rest of the comments, I think you should take your OWN ADVICE on that and do the same.....you clearly missed the whole point of this article in the first place. It was to HELP parents and give information about a new autism study. Period.

As for all of us parents not answering the tough medical questions that are being thrown at us, why would we know some of those things we are not medical professionals, we are parents. The parents who are REALLY interested in participating in this study need to go to the website and watch the video by Dr. MArtin that explains ALL of his research about stealth adapted viruses and this treatment, read the research he has posted on the site, or look under contacts and call myself, Cherie, B.J., or Dr. MArtin himself. Our numbers are listed under contact us. That is what I did when I stumbled upon this study. I read and watched everything I could on the website so that I had as much knowledge as possible about this study, I googled Dr. Martin and B.J. to see what I could find on them, and then I called B.J. to ask him about the details of this. After talking to him about his own personal experience with Riley I was convinced that $350 was worth a shot for us to try if it made Gabe half as better as it has Riley. I'm not saying that everyone should throw $350 around like that, but that is what worked for our family. That is what we agreed to do for our son and I asked everyone in my family to read the website for the study and do their own research on it and let me know what they thought about it. Every person who checked it out said that $350 was worth it if we got the results that the other kids on there were getting.

WE HAVE. I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but my son is getting better. He has gained 10 new words where before treatment he was non-verbal. He is sitting and attending activities at school with other kids in class. His teachers, therapists, and doctors are noting improvements and asking how we have made so much progress in a few short weeks.

I am a mom, like any of you, who is a skeptic until convinced otherwise and I am convinced that this is WORKING FOR US. The parents in this study have been perceived and accused of being a "cult" following B.J and Dr. Martin. That's fine, believe what you want I still sleep at night either way, but I can assure you that is not the case. I barely talk to B.J. or Dr. Martin because they are so busy trying to help other people with this study. We live in totally different parts of the US and Canada.

Grace, Did it even occur to you that BJ told you that he would still, even after the mean things that have been said about him and this study, send you a kit at HIS EXPENSE if you could not afford one after all of this?? I'm paying for mine STILL in payments each month, because we wanted to try it but couldn't come up with all the money at once. They don't care about the money. Me paying for my kit is helping another parent who can't afford it at all, get one. I don't know why you feel the need to post things on this site and others about us like you know us personally and we are horrible people.

I don't care what you think of me, but don't slam my family members like they don't have just as much of a right to be on here as YOU do. They, unlike you, are trying to put information out there to help parents who are truly interested in trying this study for their child. All you are doing is making it a shouting match between people.

There are not two sides here and you don't have to "choose" a side to this. It is meant to be a forum to leave your thoughts on this study and check out the website to gain information if you are interested in joining. The parnts of this study thought it might be nice for people who read this article to see how much progress our kids are making so far by reading OUR own personal thoughts and stories. That is why we all got on here and posted our thoughts. It wasn't to try to "hypnotize" people to think that every is miraculously "cured" after this study. No one's child has been "cured". It is however, helping to bring my sweet precious baby boy out of his autism world and in to OUR WORLD finally!!

SO to those parents who may want more information to join this study and don't want to risk getting attacked on here from people not involved, please feel free to contact myself Jade@iminhere.ca, cherie@iminhere.ca, or bj@iminhere.ca and we would be more than happy to talk with you about any questions or concerns you may have. Have a wonderful day! :)

[Cherie Peattie - Cherie~Autism Mom]

Grace,

An answer to your questions...

~Why is Dr. Martin the only one researching this after almost a decade?

Dr. Martin is not the only doctor researching stealth adapted viruses. If you look at some of the articles and publishing's surrounding Dr. Martin, you will also find at the end of his papers, the doctors involved with the study and research behind stealth adapted viruses.

I could list them, but that would not help you to educate yourself. By allowing you to read his papers, allows you to read the names of those involved. Happy reading!

(ARI & DAN! have been pretty open to at least looking at all credible theories - has Dr. Martin talked to anyone from these or other autism organizations?

Dr. Martin has spoken with several organization and autism groups and has in most cases walked away after seeing them ask their patients for insane amounts of money. He is not looking to profit, but rather to treat. The small $350 fee is a true reflection of this. Some see this as expensive; however, what can you get for therapy for $350 that actual works right away??? Also I have seen the invoices. You literally pay cost and that is it. No profit is being made but I can supply you with the bills that it is costing many of us to educate, info and help others along in the study.

The second half is that DAN is a biomedical approach where drugs and chelation are administered to the body. This procedure is non invasive. So the two are not on the same playing field.

ARI... again ask Dr. Martin.

Who has he sought funding from?)

You need to ask Dr. Martin this personally. I do know he is very specific about not allowing others to profit from this. He is also not allowing others to throw huge sums of money into this; therefore, controlling the study and how and who can be treated.

The money to support the families of the children who cannot afford the fees to date have been paid for solely by Dr. Martin & BJ McKelvie. Both men have endured great financial hardship from this.

~Is there any independent verification of Dr. Martin's ACE pathway theory?

Yes, the evidence being presented by those in the study.

Also there are various scientists who have tested for stealth adapted viruses and have proven they exist. Trust me, this information is coming soon, but again you can see those who are listed at the end of his notes.

Have other doctors and scientists tested for stealth adapted viruses?

Yes. They have defiantly been researched and continue to be proven. If you need more specifics, please contact Dr. Martin. Also Dr. Martin can also tell your doctor how to culture for stealth adapted viruses.

~How does Dr. Martin's theory address the fact that autism predominantly affects males?

Honestly... ask Dr. Martin... you are asking me questions that only he can answer. Why haven't you contacted him?

~What is the point of the luminescent dye being applied to plastic on the skin - what is it supposed to be affecting or accomplishing?

Again, contact Dr. Martin. It is quite silly for you to ask me to defend his theories and research. Does it make sense to ask a nurse how to do heart surgery? No, you need ask the expert... again please allow me to redirect you to Dr. Martin.

But from my observations... we are charging the immune system through ACE pigments found in the body. The poly film sheet is a barrier between the skin and the neutral red dye and EPIONE spray. To be non invasive, this must be done. The light is what provides the charge, much like the sun penetrating the body and causing the body to tan.

For example: try sun bathing when it is cloudy and rainy. It will not work, but sun bath when it is sunny and use sun tan lotion and your results will be far greater. Certain pieces are needed in order to make the entire process successful. Do you understand? If not, please ask Dr. Martin... I am sure he can give you a better analogy.

What is the dye & how safe is it?

The dye is a neutral red dye. It is completely safe. For ingredients please contact Dr. Martin; however I highly doubt he will give you the ingredients to any of this as it is all patented.

I never saw any of these questions posted on this board before. The majority of this information can be found on ACE Pathways websites under research. If their is anything else that you would like to know about the study, then please feel free to contact Dr. Martin personally.

The treatment is 100% non invasive and nothing comes in direct contact with the skin. There are no pills and no needles.

I hope this has helped to answer your questions and if not, then your going to need to contact Dr. Martin personally.

[Grace]

Aunt Doris said, "I can understand people having questions about the study, but there are a lot of emotional, angry posts from people accusing these parents of being too stupid to make decisions for their own children and I find that very insulting."

So far the angry, emotional, accusational posts here have been pretty much from Dr. Martin's followers. Even the mysterious Harold L. Doherty has made his comments in a calm, level fashion. Would you like to hazard a guess as to who ends up looking the most rational at this point?

Please stop flinging around accusations unless you are finally ready to start substantiating them - this is beyond monotonous & cluttering up discussion space that could be (she said hopefully) used more productively. Like by answering questions about this mysterious treatment (she said hopefully). See my last post to Cherie if you actually want to help the discussion along (she said hopefully)...

[Aunt Doris]

Hi Kama
I'm sorry if my testimonial about Gabe's progress after the first treatment upset you. I assure you I'm not part of an evangelical cabal, and I agree I'm not qualified to endorse the study, other than my observations of my great-nephew's progress. I have seen positive change in him and that was all Jade asked me to relate here. I'm sorry if you feel I'm intruding.

No, I'm not the mother of an autistic child. I'm the great aunt of one and I love him like a grand child. I care about him and want to see every step taken to help him become able to vocalize. His parents haven't abandoned traditional methods of treatment, merely added this one to what they've already been doing.

I can understand people having questions about the study, but there are a lot of emotional, angry posts from people accusing these parents of being too stupid to make decisions for their own children and I find that very insulting. I really don't care if you choose to participate in Dr. Martin's study or not, but I do ask you to stop criticizing those who HAVE chosen to participate, putting a pall over their enthusiasm and happiness at the noticeable changes in their children's behavior.

Frankly, I don't understand why anyone with an autistic child would turn against others with autistic children just because they've chosen to do something not accepted by the mainstream medical profession. I have a daughter who uses homeopathic remedies for many of her digestive problems. She has to pay for it out of pocket because her insurance doesn't recognize this type of practice. Do you also rail against chiropractors? They've done wonders for many people, despite an attempt by some mainstream physicians and insurance companies to paint them as quacks and deny coverage for years.

I'm shocked and appalled at the number of people writing here to disparage the parents participating in Dr. Martin's study. Most have been people like you who claim to only be interested in finding information, but it seems many of them spend a considerable amount of time criticizing the parents, the doctor, the preacher and now the family members. What's next--the kids themselves?

[Grace]

Cherie,
Thank you for your offer to help clarify things without attitude or insult!

Some of the questions posed were:
~Why is Dr. Martin the only one researching this after almost a decade? (ARI & DAN! have been pretty open to at least looking at all credible theories - has Dr. Martin talked to anyone from these or other autism organizations? Who has he sought funding from?)
~Is there any independent verification of Dr. Martin's ACE pathway theory?
~How does Dr. Martin's theory address the fact that autism predominantly affects males?
~What is the point of the luminescent dye being applied to plastic on the skin - what is it supposed to be affecting or accomplishing? What is the dye & how safe is it?

P.S. Innocent bystander, I suggest you scroll down to the bottom of the comments and read thru each one till you reach the top. That way you will develop a better grasp on the conversation than you appear to have currently.

[Cherie Peattie - Cherie~Autism Mom]

Grace,

I have answered every question ever asked of me about ACE Pathways Investigational Study.

Perhaps you are missing the answers because your not reading them. So here is your opportunity to ask your questions. Don't give an opinion, just ask the question. I will answer them, but the attitude and insults need to go. I am more than willing to have a debate with anyone, but if your not going to fully educate yourself first... then this conversation is over!

[an observer]

again, whats with all the name calling???
let me begin here with the fact that i am not, repeat not attacking any one individual, what i say is general.

why shouldn't people "follow" dr martin?? or others.
thats how one gets information, duh
oh, is it because some people don't like their viewpoints that they should be classified as stalkers??? did you once consider that they are gathering information?????? to see what current results are??? how do you even know that they could even possibly change their viewpoints down the road. possibilities do exist. many a person has changed opinions later after extensive investigation, are people not allowed to do this anymore?????

attacking them publically by name isn't going to help
this just makes one look like an idiot.
please stop acting in such a jeuvenile manner while posing as intelligent adults
this mindset is degrading to all.

[an observer]

Ok people, lets do away with all the hoopla of name calling, etc. That is soooooooo juevenile. Isn't this supposed to be about the kids afflicted with Autisim? about the trials that the parents are faced with daily?? as well as what the kids themselves face?????? what about milestones?????
People, (maybe i missed the new ruling about freedom of speech) are ALLOWED to have reservations concerning any new study, treatment that comes out. This does NOT make them bad parents, parents who don't love their kids, etc.
what parent in their right mind would just go willy nilly over every thing that comes out , without first checking it out to their best ability, whether this is via the internet due to financial restraints, to those who actually have the ability to travel to check things out.
come on , give everyone a break.
enough with the name calling and judgmental attitudes.
My grandson is moderatly autistic. He is the sweetest boy i know. He has made tremondous leaps of progress. I applaud his mom, my daughter for all the sacrifices she has made over the years so that her son, her child, came first. she goes without so the children have.
Not every treatment that is out there works for every autistic child. This is a disease that is different for each and every child afflicted with it. Child A may react quite the opposite than Child B in any given treatment. or as sometimes happens, nothing occurs and things remain stagnent.
With any clinical trial, there MUST, absolutely, MUST be set standards and enviornments to conduct these in , in order for any credibility to be ascertained.
just because someone goes off to get information and equipment does not qualify them with the approved creditials to conduct trials. if this were the case , then i guess anyone can do it and be certified. not! this is not how the real world works.
who is to really say yes or no about the ace pathway trial??? no one. if in fact it actually does have long term results that are accredited by recognized medical/clinical organizations, then that is a bonus. but to just jump for anything that happens to be out there without looking at the long term results is just plain dangerous. one has to keep in mind that many new things are coming out in the scientific world of medicine for "cures" help aids, etc. but the one thing they all share is: time in research before being put out to the public to have advantage of.this includes publishing results, both positive and negative .
if one cannot or refuses to take the time to have the proper research time conducted, then i seriously question it.
has anyone been able to produce results showing long term affects with the ace pathway ???? not that i can see. i only see the beginning of it,
are there any published negatives of this?? i have only seen just the positive comments and only judgements against people who have questions about it(and why shouldn't they question if they are reasonable & responsible parents) would any parent just automatically give their child medication without wanting to know exactly what possible side affects could occur,..... not really.
i completely understand why parents want their kids to be like everyone else. what parent doesn't????????????
every child is a blessing and wonderful, but not all children are perfect. that is life unfortunately.
i agonize with parents who hearts break because their child can't articulate emotion, wants, etc due to autisim or any other neurogolical disorder. its disheartening, no arguement there.
i don't demoralize those who want to find a way to provide the best for their children either. but for goodness sake and most importantly, the sake of your kids, use common sense .
and please people, be mature and adult enough to leave personal attitudes out of it. by throwing negative statements out there against others, this leave little credibility to your cause, it actually detracks from it and causes others to think that you may possibly be delusional or worse.
NO ONE has the right to defame another parent about whether they love their child or not. that is just plain evil minded.
as humans, we will never always agree on any subject.
let people have the right to their own opinions here, whether you agree or not.
this blog should be solely about what is available (treatments) and if they have been tried and tested and the SHARING of this with others.
unfortunately, this like many other blogs has become just another place to put out negativity towards others .
so what if you don't agree with someone elses opinion. is it costing you anything??? no it isn't. are they attacking you personally, hardly, as most who blog have never met others, so how can it be personal. only you yourself allows it to be.

how can anyone with the brains that God gave them say that if a person doesn't echo their viewpoint that its a personal attack against them. duh, that is what happens in the schoolyard when you are in grade school.
grow up people and get over yourselves.
focus on what is important.
i read the comment made by a lady named Laurena and what she said was very good, articulate, well thought and i could not see for the life of me (read several times to ensure i wasn't just jumping to conclusions) where she was attacking anyone. its quite obvious that the person who commented back to her in such a negative fashion only read/saw what they chose to and didn't really comprehend all that she said.
one shouldn't take things out of context, that relults in mis-meaning.
i seldom comment on blogs just for the very reason that most seem to attract vendetta minded individuals.
why is everyone tearing everyone else apart??? is not the purpose to help each other, share what seems to be making a difference? and to ALLOW individuals to make their own conclusions without censure???? if not, then we really are in a very sad state.

[Innocent Bystander]

I came across this article and hoped it would be a positive read, and it was but the comments give me great concern.

It is clear that the message has been lost and now I am just reading personal attacks and am confused by the interpretations of others.

Could someone please answer the following?

- Why has no one contacted the doctor mentioned in this article? I can see that an invitation has been offered, but no one has actually done so.

- Where and when did religion become a part of this? No where did I ever read anything about religion being a factor in this treatment. Is this just an attack because Mr. McKelvie is a reverend?

- Why are you attacking each other when you all have children with autism and obviously need support from each other?

- Why was this person removed from the study? We can all speculate, but I would have to wonder what the person did in order to be removed from the program.

- Does anyone here have proof to suggest these parents are all lying?

- Does anyone have proof to suggest these children are being harmed or that this treatment is dangerous?

- Did anyone else notice that this treatment is approved by the FDA, IRB and Health Canada?

- Does anyone here understand what a study consists of?

- Have any of you who are are so angry and against this treatment, signed up for this treatment and been denied?

- Has anyone really researched this doctor and looked at the accusations someone mentioned? (I just did and I found nothing to support he has ever been stripped of his license, charged with misconduct, negligence or has ever caused harm to any patient). I did however read about a woman who has a mental illness and has a few other issues that demanded Dr. Martin treat her and when he refused, she tried to sue him several times and she lost every time.

- Where is it mentioned that parents do not love their children, if they do not do this treatment?

- Where is it mentioned that parents must spend every dime of their money to treat their children?

- Is anyone here even remotely qualified to educate any of us about the body and the damage these viruses allegedly cause? I will take the doctors information before anyone else.

I am constantly bombarded with information from parents who want a cure for autism, who want the government to provide better funding and services for their children, safe vaccines and mandatory ABA therapy etc; however, my concern is that if you don't take each other seriously, then why in the hell should we?

Your killing your own cause by attacking each other. At this rate you will alienate and offend everyone and no one will ever take anything seriously about Autism. We are already being desensitized towards Autism because it is so prevalent that autism sounds like cancer and you feel sorry for a moment, but really do not care because at least it's not you who has to deal with it.

I suggest the personal attacks stop and the core reason for this article to be examined.

I am reading about a treatment for autism to counteract stealth adapted viruses as being a core cause for Autism. Thank you for that information and it certainly gives me food for thought about the various complexities that a virus can present to the body.

For the parents, thank you for sharing your experiences. You credibility is noted and it is nice to see a variety of family members backing up the claims of progress these children have made.

For those just expressing an opinion because you like to argue... SHUT UP!

[Grace]

Leon Griffith,
Just as I did Rev. McKelvie the courtesy of giving him examples of the statements he made that were being perceived negatively, I invite you to do me the same courtesy of explaining where I have attacked anyone.

Cherie,
I could understand refusing to respond to the so-called naysayers, I'm just waiting for someone in y'all's group to actually answer ANY of the questions that have been asked.

Thanks for your help!

[Leon Griffith]

I personally am thrilled that parents have found an option. I am thrilled that there is another study to try to find answers. I am outright repulsed by the critics on this site and submit you are a complete embarrassment to all parents fighting for answers. You have done nothing to prove you are not ignorant; on the contrary have proven points by the parents time and time again. Grace, I am very concerned at your vicious attacks while trying to maintain this essence of innocence as some sort of victim of autism. You are a true embarrassment to all parents who are fighting for some answers. Mr. Doherty is what he is...an embarrassment, uneducated, ignorant and the funniest of all is that he calls himself a lawyer. I am certain he must not be overly successful in his cases if this is how he presents. Ms. Kingston, once again an embarrassment to all parents. I have read through all of this and will side with the parents who have proven their case over and over. If they say their children are getting better then you have no right what so ever to argue this. This makes you uneducated, since you openly refuse to call or speak with them...this is nothing shy of a Jerry Springer episode. I have visited the website and it is a very credible study, done in a unique way which happens to be yielding good results. I am excited to hear more about this treatment in the months to come. I have certainly noticed one thing...Ms. Kingston & Mr. Doherty seem to be following Mr. McKelvie and Mr. Martin around everywhere. In some circles this is considered stalking. Just let the parents be and allow them to enjoy their children. Can you not resist following these people around and go find another avenue to help your child? This treatment is obviously not for you. It is time you just simply be quiet and leave the STUDY alone.