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    August 09, 2008

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    I just posted this on a message board of mine and I was directed to comment here, forgive me, but I am just going to copy and paste since its a long post and I havent even had a chance to eat dinner yet..LOL! So, here it is:

    Hi All!

    I just wanted to see if anyone else does anything similar...
    Since attending the Autism One Conference this past May in Illinois
    (for anyone who is thinking whether or not to go next year, GO, it
    was FANTASTIC! It was our first 'conference' and it was just GREAT! I
    wish we were all in our own little 'city' of people..it was so great
    to be with 'others' just like us, and with professionals that didnt
    have egos, but had BRAINS and HEARTS! Its sad to us at least that we
    felt more comfortable at the week long conference than with our own
    families..so THANKS everyone!)

    Anyway, since the conference, where we purchased shirts from the NAA
    and from TACA (Green our Vaccines shirt), I wear the t-shirts and the
    have one of my kids wear the one child's t-shirt we
    purchased..literall y at everychance I can, ESPECIALLY if I am going
    somewhere there is going to be a lot of people...(state fair, day out
    with Thomas, shopping, etc)...My favorite NAA shirt only lasted 2
    washing before it got a hole in the armpit...however I am going to
    try to sew it..it says on the front 'We are used to poop' and on the
    back 'its the crap we cant handle' and then some vaccine
    information. ..lol! Its great!

    So far, I have reached a LOT more people than before..I mean, I am a
    pretty outgoing person and usually spark up conversations with
    strangers if we are at a park/etc.... and usually bring up
    Autism/Vaccines/ Special Needs/etc... but with the shirts, it makes
    things much easier..most people approach me and ask questions... .even
    people who claim to start off being 'pro vaccine' end up really
    listening and taking the time to ask 'smart' questions...

    I have spent countless hours really added up from grocery store trips
    where the cashiers or customers ask questions, really helping to
    spread information, rather than false info that our 'news' has been
    focusing on...

    Someone from this list (THANK YOU, I can remember off hand right now)
    sent me a bunch of business cards with info all typed out because I
    thought it would be nice, if I was in a hurry to be able to hand it
    out if someone else was in a hurry or I was too much of a hurry, even
    though I have really never 'not' talked to anyone even in a
    hurry....but also for someone to take away a little list of info to
    lookup after...instead of me digging for a piece of paper in my bag
    to write things down..LOL! The cards are really handy, and almost
    gone! LOL! And I havent just approached strangers with it, I only
    give/talk if someone approaches me really..>I try not to be IN YOUR
    FACE, I think its a turn off..

    But, I really really really would LOVE LOVE LOVE A big car-magnet
    type thing where I could put one on each side of our van on the doors
    to 'advertise' even more...does anyone know, or is anyone on this
    list, a printer that can make something like that? I would need it to
    be really really cheap, or heck, even donated to help the cause
    because of our financial situation (I am sure everyone here can
    relate)....I would send the measurements of the door, and would like
    them as big as it can be made without being too over the top...and
    then have simple sayings like something like 'educate before you
    vaccinate' and listing ingredients and also website info....

    Please email me if you know of where I could go to get this done...

    Also, I would LOVE to hear others stories if they do this as well, or
    how you 'advocate' for our causes?

    I also would love to have a link to more t-shirts and clothing that
    is similar, because I 'live' in tshirts and casual wear, and would
    have NO problem having every piece of my clothing be an advocacy
    shirt for vaccines/autism/ special needs/DAN!/etc. ..so please post
    your links to places that have them.....well, I would LOVE to also
    know by the link if they are a for-profit company or non-profit, I
    would love to support companies that help support families like us!

    thanks for reading, sorry about spelling/grammar, our computer power
    is so weird lately it just shuts off with no warning and I want to
    type as fast as I can so I post before it 'cuts' off..lol!

    Angie
    Mom to Ethan, Alex, and Megan

    Almost every town has a weekly newspaper, (whether it's a liberal rag like my hometown or a "what's happening locally" type rag). I have wrote a letter to the editor EVERY WEEK for two years now, exclusively on the toxin/autism issue. Not only have the sales of the paper gone up, but Knox County Illinois has the lowest vaccination rate in the state and the Knox Co. Health Department blames me!Keep up the good fight! I've gotten so popular now, that the editor allowed me to write a full page and a half article entitled Autism and our toxic world 101. that just happened this week, I have yet to get feedback from the KCHD!

    I have found that the twenty-somethings and grandparents tend to understand this issue more quickly than those of my generation.

    We are very excited about how well our three boys diagnosed with autism are doing with biomedical treatment. People are noticing. Their lives speak better than most of my words.

    What a great bunch of comments and ideas!! (Alison - Love the bumper stickers!)

    Thanks everyone for sharing. If there is one thing I hope is picked up on by readers it is the mom's who said either they wish someone had talked to them or were thankful that someone had.

    I want to reiterate the words I used:

    "..how we in the 'safer vaccines community' communicate and educate others.." and "...ideas that helps me facilitate conversation with others...."

    I never have the agenda of convincing anyone of anything, I just offer information and it sounds like we all agree on that. For instance with pregnant women I simply let them know I am working on legislation for mercury free vaccines and ask them to do me a favor by making sure they request 100% mercury free flu shots if they are offered and accept one, and then request 100% mercury free shots for their child when offered. No push, just educating them that there are mercury free options that they will have to ask for because their doctor is not required to make them aware there is still mercury in the vaccines. Their stunned silence is often my only reward.....

    This works well with the elderly as well - I simply mention that Boyd Haley discovered the same structures in the brains of rats exposed to thimerosal as is found in alzhiemers patients and it seems to get their attention.

    Lisa Jo Rudy, thanks for asking your questions (BTW, you gave me the highest form of compliment by confusing me with Kent Heckenlively!). You ask how I approach parents if I suspect autism - as if it is taboo. I do not see it that way. In many cases the parents already know something is up but do not know what to call it, or are thrilled someone else agrees with them. In fact, we tried for over a year to get our Ped to do something for our son. Then an 18 yr old daycare worker, after taking a night course to get teacher certified and got a 1/2 hr of info on autism built up the courage to suggest she supected autism - I said "Thanks, now tell our Ped" - who only then promptly suggested avenues of assistance. I am very grateful that she saw past her fear, that I might get "upset", and very courageously did what she knew in her heart was right.

    So Lisa Jo, I do not see discussing autism or vaccines as a "touchy subject" or scaring people - I perosnally have never met anyone who became upset and I have never wound up in a feud. I have met those who refused the information and I politely walked away - feeling good about having tried.

    As far as the discussion on your About.com site, that most people seem to feel that the direct approach I use is rarely as effective as I describe - I suppose that can only be described as an interpetation of the people who visit your site.

    The commentors here seem overwhelmingly in agreement, and only want to inform those who want the information.

    Thanks again everyone for the great response.

    Tim Kasemodel

    I made some bumper stickers, happy to give them away, send me your address....

    "Another family heartbroken by vaccine injury"

    "Hell hath no fury like the mother of a vaccine injured child"

    "Odds your child will have autism after vaccine:1 out of 150."

    davalinee@comcast.net

    The trouble is that we are dealing with belief systems, so it is as hazardous as trying to change someone's religion. It was a comic irony that Richard Dawkins attacked people showing caution over MMR vaccine as an example of irrationality, rather than examining the basis of his own faith:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemies_of_Reason

    In fact the Cochrane meta-analysis, underneath the bureaucratic pieties and doubletalk, had concluded that safety studies - both pre and post marketing - were "largely inadequate":

    http://mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD004407/pdf_fs.html

    Indeed, there was not really even, as it turned out, a proper evidence base for saying MMR was effective. Contrary to Dawkins there was no purely rational basis on which you could vaccinate your child with MMR at all.

    We are, of course, often posed the intellectual proposition - as an alternative to vaccination being utterly safe - that it is at least much safer than not doing it at all. There are two problems with this. One is that there is insufficient evidence base in many/most cases, and the other is that if you lose gamble then no one will be on your side - so it is not worth taking the risk for that reason alone.

    I think these are things that you can say to people, if you find the right context, but of course you are attacking their irrational belief systems, and it is delicate.

    I reread my post and realized that I missed something. Just to reinforce the importance all your individual efforts, I continue to give “Evidence of Harm" by David Kirby to friends and colleagues and I write letters to the editor. I agree that our individual actions to educate are vital. Also this site as a media of communication is awesome. Thank you.

    I began speaking up about the health issues surrounding ASDs (including vaccines, but also food etc) with close friends. That was a way to get my feet wet and to feel more comfortable. Suddenly it became apparent that my friends had talked to their family and friends, who had talked to theirs, etc. It amazed me how much information had spread like wildfire and how many people had been affected. Speaking up is powerful, and never underestimate it's power, even if you do it just once!

    Can we get a site to monitor Congressional votes so we can alert each state's citizens where their representatives in the House and Senate stand? Maybe this is already being done.

    i was pregnant with my first baby and shopping for cloth diapers on ebay, and the seller in her email mentioned that she didn't vx. she was a nurse too, and that really surprised me. so i looked it up just out of curiosity...that was the beginning of the journey that has taken me to 2 completely unvaccinated children (ages 4 and 1.5)
    what was really effective about how that girl introduced the topic, she never tried to tell me what to do. she just shared that she herself decided not to.

    Great ideas, Tim, and thanks for all the activism you and Laura do for ALL our kids!

    Good article and thanks for your hard work in Minn.
    Our family stories are compelling. And they are also exactly what ECBT, AAP, CDC, etc, etc, DONT HAVE! They can never overpower us with all their rhetoric, denial, status quo, "everything is fine" trash.
    I've found that most parents can't help but listen to what I have to say on this subject. What is more scary that your child descending into autism? Not alot. So when I casually say how painful it is (I could never actually put it into words), I have to follow up with-IT IS WORTH IT to take steps to PREVENT it from happening! Slow down on the vaccines! Dr's don't know what causes autism, so just in case vaccines DO happen to trigger autism, protect your baby!


    I thought this complemented Tim's article very nicely.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robyn-o/when-courage-and-conscien_b_117787.html

    When Courage and Conscience Collide
    Posted August 11, 2008 | 07:29 AM (EST)

    I was raised on capitalism and the Wall Street Journal. In my family, the Reagans had an almost royal status -- to watch them dance, with Nancy in her red dress, gave me the feeling, as a child, that I was watching some magnificent combination of Frank Sinatra and a foreign prince with his graceful companion on his arm.

    And I trusted that the political values that my family had instilled in me would serve me well.

    And then one of my children got sick. With a blood condition that no one could pronounce and a pediatric mandate requiring immediate enrollment at a Children's Hospital. And I awoke.

    Suddenly, everywhere I turned, there were sick children. Children with diabetes, cancer, obesity, asthma and allergies. What had happened?

    As headlines in the paper warned me of environmental dangers, I began to pay attention. What was in the food? Wasn't organics a left-leaning thing? And what about the plastics and the baby bottles and the vaccines? Should I worry? Doesn't our system protect us from these dangers?

    And without realizing it, an internal battle began.

    I lay awake at night after conversations with my father who dismissed my concerns and growing awareness of our system's shortcomings.

    I had been raised to support the system, to believe in it, and certainly to never speak out. Activism was something that "radicals" did, certainly not conservative, soccer moms.

    But I couldn't shake the internal dialogue. So armed with an MBA in finance and my four children, I began to investigate the expanding role that corporations had taken in our system. And I was stunned.

    There were new insecticidal toxins in crops to increase profitability for the world's largest agrichemical corporation, chemicals engineered into our children's milk to enhance the profitability of the dairy industry, colors allowed in their snack packs that had been banned by government agencies around the world. How had we ignored the health risks associated with capitalism's profits?

    As I struggled with the responsibility in learning this information, I couldn't unlearn it, and I realized that it was now my responsibility to act.

    And I reluctantly stepped forward.

    With the words of another crusader in hand, I found my voice: "Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls." (Robert F. Kennedy).

    I launched AllergyKids to give parents the tools to protect the 1 in 3 American children that now has allergies, autism, ADHD or asthma, I volunteered to serve on the advisory panel for the Show of Hands Campaign and other organizations, and I learned that one mom can make a difference.

    We must not be daunted by the enormity of the task at hand, but dare to dream that it is possible to affect this change. In doing so, we will be inspired by hope and find the courage and capacity to act. Together.

    Robyn O'Brien is the founder of www.allergykids.com, an organization designed to protect the 1 in 3 American children with allergies, asthma, ADHD or autism. Robyn has appeared on CNN, Good Morning American and in the New York Times as "food's Erin Brockovich". She lives in Boulder, CO with her husband and four children.

    Tim, thanks for this important primer on consumer education. More people need to be telling others how the CDC, AAP, AMA and pharma front groups are withholding information on vaccine injuries.

    For most people, at first the concept that vaccines can cause harm is pretty radical. I recommend they read books and articles by doctors such as Dr. Stephanie Cave, Dr. Donald W. Miller and Dr. Bob Sears. I think that's especially important when approaching pregnant women.

    The listener may be skeptical initially, but most find the topic important enough to follow up on. I wish that someone had introduced me to the possibility of vaccine injuries and the genetic predispositions eleven years ago....

    Tim, gotta say I love it. Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to use some of them in the future.

    I'm a true believer in getting the word out about the damage done by vaccines on a one to one basis. It's particularly effective when I have Eric with me. I always tell people he used to be a regular little kid, just like his big sisters. That always draws people out and makes them ask more questions.

    Great post. Keep it up.

    Harry

    Andrea,

    Your comment: I don't do it to scare people. I do it to spare people.

    What can I say, pefect. I do the same thing. I mean, all I needed to hear was if a kid craved dairy, they could be allergic. So of course, I removed it and saw positive change, made me delve in further. There are many parents who aren't like me though ... they accept and move on and I always wonder .. what could be?

    I agree with you, I tell my story and let people make their own choices. I knew about the vaccine autism talk back in 1999 and discussed with my ped and he so assured me and I so trusted. Never again. Never. I mean he should have seen the signs before 2 ... my son wasn't diagnosed until 5 and that was probably because he was verbal.

    All we can do is spread the word ... I had an aide my son had in kindergarten 3 years ago come to me in tears just before school got out "What happened to him? He just had a conversation with me, looked right at me, told me a couple of jokes he made up, even his tone of voice is changed! OMG!"

    The proof is in the recovery.

    Great post Tim.

    I write my letters to the Editor faithfully. I've had more than a few people when they meet me for the first time say "Are you the lady who writes the letters about autism-vaccines in the paper?"

    I've had strangers call me and want to talk about this issue. I just want people to think. Think for themselves. We are not perpetrating internet rumors. We are relaying what happened to our children. We are sharing information with those who need it the most. Knowledge is power, right?

    I also talk to pregnant women and moms of little ones. My neighbor has a little boy that is about 18 months old. I talked to her when she was pregnant and I have talked to her since he has been born. I don't push. It's the parents choice what they want to do about vaccines. About a week ago she stopped over with him and he seems to be fine. I never asked what she did about vaccinating. She did tell me lately he is walking very close to walls and looking out of the corner of his eyes. She's scared now to get anymore vaccines. I didn't say much- what can I say? She is seeing her son do some odd things. She's worried.

    I have always felt "I wish someone had alerted me". I wish someone would have said somethng so at least I would have researched it myself. I'm intelligent enough to draw my own conclusions - I assume most people are. I don't do it to scare people. I do it to spare people. I have always thought "I wish someone would have said something to me". I blindly did what I was told and watched my child slip away. I'm telling the truth about what happened to my son- I'm not lying or embellishing.

    Last night I bumped into an old friend from High School. I see her ocassionally and I knew her neice was getting married this month. The wedding was last weekend. She comes from a large family- 10 kids- no autism in the family. I asked her if her neice wanted to have children. She said "Yes", but the young man she married is worried because all of his nephews have been diagnosed on the autism spectrum. All of his sibling's boys have autism. They all attribute the autism to vaccines.

    How can we pretend this is normal?

    How can we not say something?

    I am in sales and at least 20 to 30 people hear from me in person a day. Then I am kind of crazy on the web. I know that there are many more like us out there Tim. It is only a matter of time. It felt good to have a discussion with a co-worker that had her baby this summer and worked with her docotor to use an alternate schedule. What bothers me now is how the mainstream is trying to convince people that those that recover do not really have autism and the whole "Autism Like" thing. I would love to see a site or page dedicated to being the Everyday Autism Activist

    I carry around a stack of Educate Before you Vaccinate business cards. When I see an infant seat in a parked car, I put one on the windshield. When I see an idle stroller, I drop one on the seat. My best was pinning Green Our Vaccine Rally buttons to a choral of strollers at the amusement park.

    Kent, I have to ask - how do you decide which moms to approach on the playground, and how to approach them?

    The "should I mention it?" issue has been discussed more than once on my site, and most people seem to feel that the direct approach you used is rarely as effective as you describe. In fact, some parents have wound up in feuds with their own sisters and brothers when they brought up the possibility that "something" might be amiss in a niece or nephew's behavior - and that, just maybe, an evaluation might be in order.

    Other peoples' kids are such a touchy topic - and the word "autism" can upset parents tremendously if it hasn't already been brought up...

    Best,

    Lisa Rudy
    www.autism.about.com

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