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    March 27, 2008

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    could you please tell me, or direct me to some studies, if thimerasol can produce new genetic mutations. My some has tested positive for PTEN, and both my husband and I tested negative for this mutation. Is it possible that a flu vaccination by me when I was carrying him, or his vaccinations upon birth could induce this genetic mutation.
    would it be possible to email this answer to me? thank you,

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    Thinking about how ridiculous 'researchers' and 'scientists' make themselves look when they search for 'the gene' -- in this case, for autism.

    They've been looking a mighty long time, and what do they have to show for it?

    Ran across this comment from 1998. It was in a newsletter from the National Alliance for Autism Research (NAAR):

    "Within the next two years there's going to be some very hot and definitive information about specific genes involved in autism." -- Ed Cook

    Hot. Definitive.

    Right . . . so, 10 years have gone by. Which specific genes are those? And where's the cure?

    .


    Hi Mark,

    I am the father of a 7 year old son who has autism. My son and I had the "privilege" of meeting Dr. Schaefer at the Munroe Meyer Center at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. The visit did not go real well. He told me that he had no doubt that autism was genetic and that in time we will find all of these autism genes. He through out the 10-20% number who were easily identifiable as having a known genetic cause to their autism. I asked him point blank. "Why is there an autism epidemic?" His response floored me. "There is no epidemic. Autism is over diagnosed, a lot of these kids are not even on the spectrum, but are just little shits." At that point I told him that I believed that he was unprofessional and incorrect. I left his office stunned by his intellectual arrogance.

    Have you seen this study by Dr. Schaefer? It seems to concede that genetics and environment may interact to cause the cerebal palsy.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18342257ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

    Genetics considerations in cerebral palsy.

    Cerebral palsy refers to a collective of neurologic conditions that share in common disorders of motor function and posture. Traditionally, and still today in many circles, the term is considered almost synonymous with brain injury. Multiple lines of evidence, however, point to the fact that cerebral palsy is rarely caused by problems with perinatal management. In fact, a mounting body of evidence points to strong genetic influences on the occurrence of cerebral palsy. Like most neurogenetic conditions, cerebral palsy exhibits complex inheritance. The best descriptor of the inheritance of cerebral palsy would be that of "multifactorial inheritance." This implies etiologic and genetic heterogeneity with complex interactions with multiple environmental influences. This article reviews known genetic influences on the origin of cerebral palsy. A proposed scheme for the genetic evaluation in identifying the etiology of cerebral palsy is provided.
    PMID: 18342257 [PubMed - in process]

    Mark,

    Thank you for digging all this up and doing such a good job with the analysis. How about sending this to Dr. Insel and the IACC?

    Thanks Mark, once again, for running the stats and sussing out the logic for us. What would we do without your trained, analytical mind to guide us?

    My daughter is one of those who was sold the genetics pitch by an all too typical, run of the mill neurologist. Several years ago, before any biomed, she looked like an atypical Rett or Angelman girl -- acquired microcephaly, ataxic puppet-like walk, psychomotor retardation, nonverbal, hands clasping at the midline, etc. When she checked out negative for those syndromes, they ran a genome wide screen for sub-telomeric deletions, duplications and rearrangements. You should have heard the surprise in their voices when these came back negative -- they were so sure SOMETHING was going to come back weird, even if it wasn't pathogenic. “We all have these little glitches – you and I have them,” they said. “So we may never know if it is pathogenic or not.” Nope she was totally and utterly clean. And yet they all still believe that she is a genetics kid. Indeed, they pretty much through her in the genetics garbage can – “Come back in 3 or 4 years and we may have more sophisticated tests we can run on her.” Yeah right. Would love to see the look on their faces when they see her after years of biomed! HA! Nothing like a recovering child to throw the genetics folk for a loop.

    Well, come to find an article in the literature that shows that a perfectly healthy child developed an encephalopathy with a Rett-like phenotype after vaccination with a DaPT shot – and looking at the timing of publication, it most likely contained Thimerosal. Immunological sequelae presented within 12 hours of vaccine administration – a true encephalopathy. If you look at the Geiers follow-up study on DPT and Thimerosal, you notice that the risk of developing mental retardation with a Thimerosal-containing DaPT vaccine was higher than the risk for developing autism with one. So really, again, we are talking about so much more than autism, here.

    The relevant abstract follows.

    Best,
    Theresa

    J Child Neurol. 2002 Sep;17(9):700-2.
    Rett syndrome phenotype following infantile acute encephalopathy.
    Fiumara A, Polizzi A, Mazzei R, Conforti L, Magariello A, Sorge G, Pavone L.
    Department of Pediatrics, University of Catania, Italy.

    Rett syndrome is a progressive neurodevelopmental disorder with a well-defined clinical spectrum and course. Recently, mutations in the gene encoding X-linked methyl-CpG binding protein 2 (MECP2) have been identified as the cause of Rett syndrome. Along with the classic form, variant forms of Rett syndrome and Rett syndrome phenotypes are also recognized. We report on a girl who, at age 2 months, developed an acute encephalopathy with destructive brain damage 12 hours after acellular pertussis vaccination. Peripheral lymphocyte subset analysis revealed the existence of T lymphocytes double positive for CD4 and CD8 markers. This pattern normalized over the following 3 months. Months later, the girl manifested a Rett syndrome phenotype. DNA screening of the MECP2 gene was unrevealing in the child and her parents. This previously unreported association emphasizes the notion that Rett syndrome phenotypes can result from different (either genetic or environmental) causes.

    PMID: 12503649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    Thank you for this sleuthing. Even if we all suspect that those claims were false, it's a relief to see them exposed in such a clear way.

    The same slippery methods were also attempted to establish the genetic brain chemical imbalance theory for depression, which also-- of course-- had a sales pitch behind it. When the onion was peeled down by LaCasse and Leo, there turned out to be less foundation for the serotonin theory than even exists for the autism-gene link: http://tinyurl.com/8vywy

    Now a similar serotonin theory has been recycled to sell drugs for children with environmental injuries, which rests partly on the concept of a genetic basis for the conditions-- for which I'm sure these phone "OSOTENs" are quite useful.

    But if a disorder is either preventable or at least treatable by first identifying environmental cause-- whatever that entails-- what is there left to sell us?

    Keith,
    I agree with this comment wholeheartedly: "I would like to state though there IS value in looking at genetics appropriately. In my work I need to know if the variation I am seeing is due to genetics (G), environment (E) or some interaction of genetics and environment (GxE). Some papers I've read hint at possible E or GxE interactions but it seems very few within the total sphere are really looking at the problem this way."

    The key word in your comment is "appropriately," My objective in this series on gene science in autism is to separate the hype from the facts. There are useful findings that have emerged from all this work (for instance, it's very important to understand how the MECP2 gene and FMR repeats place affected individuals at higher risk for developing the features of autism) but if we interpret the findings in the wrong way, we'll never got to the heart of the problem. The issue is getting all autism science--whether genetic, environmental, or GxE--more productive, more quickly.
    Mark

    Mark,

    Good hunting! Very interesting and true. One could almost call it a lie that has been made true since no one actually called them on it. Money has a way of making this stuff happen. (go figure...)


    Thanks for not letting that "10%" off the hook-

    Perhaps, this might be an issue that could be addressed under the Federal False Claims Act "Qui Tam" if the OSOTEN was used on a grant application to NIH. If it is a false claim and the claim was material in grant application than the researchers would need to refund the grant money back to NIH.

    "They’re pitching their clinics to their referral source; they’re pitching their research ideas to the grant-makers; and they’re pitching their latest diagnostic protocol to their colleagues. Most of all, they’re pitching the grand experiment of explaining human diseases with genes. And because it’s a pitch that benefits major scientific constituencies, most scientists allow simply the pitch to pass by without challenge. After all, everyone benefits when they make another sale."

    It seems as though the entire medical community is uneasily resting on this very premise, or set of premises. Unable to diagnose and explain the human condition from the short-sighted perspective of the physiological aspect even, the extent to which reliance is placed on far-fetched claims of research does little to vilify the sustenance of the favored few who actually are able to see it for what it truly has to offer. It must be devastatingly frustrating to admit, oftentimes covertly and other times overtly, that it is impossible indeed to exactly know what it is that drives the human condition to do what it does - and why.

    Thanks Mark

    as a trained plant breeder I have seen through the scheme of this for years. It's like a career witch hunt in which they know they can continually look (job security?).

    I would like to state though there IS value in looking at genetics appropriately. In my work I need to know if the variation I am seeing is due to genetics (G), environment (E) or some interaction of genetics and environment (GxE). Some papers I've read hint at possible E or GxE interactions but it seems very few within the total sphere are really looking at the problem this way.

    Even taking aside the issue that I was the one who held my son and watched him regress in the hours following and I meet people who describe the same chain of events that I observed (even before telling them what happened in our situation) it seems like looking at these other components would be a given.

    My guess is there isnt any or as much money for looking at those other to elements of variation. Or those that provide the funding do not desire those elements to be considered.

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