A of A Q&A: PEDIATRICIAN ON AUTISM, PART 2

By Dan Olmsted

Editor's note: This is the second of a three-part interview. I first met Dr. Julie Buckley of Ponte Verdra Beach, Fla., at the NAA convention in Atlanta. The formal sessions had ended for the day, but as usual some interesting discussions were going strong at the hotel bar. It was too crowded and noisy to have much of a conversation, but I picked up enough nuggets from Dr. Buckley that I wanted to hear more. So the next day we sat down in an empty conference room and had a proper talk. She touched on many key topics, from the relative health of never-vaccinated kids to the struggles of DAN! doctors helping children with autism recover. Sometimes, those children are their own.

AOA: What possible role could vaccination against deadly illness play in somehow bringing on more illness in kids? What's going on? Do you have a theory?

Buckley: I do. There is no doubt in my mind that the environmental exposures that kids are subjected to play a huge role in triggering off a chronic illness, and when we talk about autism and really when we talk about so many other illnesses – the autoimmune diseases, the allergy, the asthma -- we're talking about a generation of kids who have had something shift. This beautifully delicate balance in the immune system, where it's just tremendously delicately hanging …

AOA: And it's taken a long time to reach that kind of equilibrium, millions of years …

Buckley: God did a pretty good job. It took him a long time to get it right but it works really, really well. It's there and it's functional. And we know that when you give infinitesimal doses of mercury, when you give aluminum to this immune system, you will push it out of balance. That's documented in the scientific literature – UC Davis, UC Irvine – they're publishing (that when you) give teeny tiny doses of mercury to the immune system, it's not going to work very well.

And yet we continue to do so, because even the quote "thimerosal-free" vaccines, which were once upon a time manufactured with much larger doses of mercury, those vaccines are still manufactured with the "fat-free salad dressing" amounts – you know, "We don't have to declare it. It's so small it doesn't matter."

AOA: But it does matter?

Buckley: It's documented in the scientific literature that it matters. How can you show me in the published literature that says 20 to 100 nanomolar concentrations are all it takes to disrupt this balance, and fix it so it will not work, and give you a propensity to TH-2 immune system – how can you do that, and then still say, well, let's go ahead and do it anyway. You're going to breathe that stuff, why go ahead and deliberately inject it as well when it's unnecessary?

AOA: I guess a counter-argument would be yes, but it's still a lot less thimerosal than they were getting just a few years ago, and yet in California we still see the rates going up, So how does that fit with your belief that vaccines are playing a role in this?

Buckley: Well, they continue to play a role, and there's still a dose of aluminum, and there's still enough mercury to disrupt … if there's enough mercury in the vaccine to disrupt the immune system, then I think we as physicians have an obligation to say, Where can I minimize the exposure? It's going to be very difficult for me to change the air that these kids breathe, it's going to be very difficult for me to change the water that they drink, but I can work really hard to change what I'm injecting into them.

AOA: Have you had a kid with autism who was not vaccinated? Because I know there are some.

Buckley: I have two, and both of their mothers had tremendous mercury environmental exposure. One of them had tons of tuna fish and flu vaccines and I think the other one had flu vaccines as well. And they're Rh-negative as well – there's the whole RhoGAM story. I'm Rh-negative.

AOA: So vaccinations are there in the picture, then?

Buckley: Absolutely.

AOA: Do you think the actual vaccine itself – the infectious agent whether it's dead or attenuated or combined or whatever – is that setting something up, too? If you're messing with the immune system and then you introduce something that is then essentially designed to get an immune response, is that part of this?

Buckley: Well, yeah. Let's take an immune system that works perfectly, or presumably works perfectly if it's sent to Earth the way it's supposed to be, take that system and fix it so it does not work properly, and then challenge it to do what it's supposed to do when it IS working properly.

AOA: By "challenge it" you mean with …

Buckley: Challenge it with live viruses that are attenuated that in truth we have no actual idea how they really work and what long-term process they're going to have. The human body doesn't actually get rid of any virus that attacks it. You and I have every virus that we've ever had. But what we do is stick it in the recycle bin. And as long as no "spyware," as long as no viruses, as long as nothing gets into that computer to prevent that from staying there, that's what we do and we handle it like we've never had it. It neutralizes it, it keeps it at bay. We always have a little antibody to anything we've ever had,.and that's because it keeps it walled off in that corner and we're good.

It's when the immune system breaks down that whatever's been left over in that quarantine bucket is allowed to come back out and play again.

Witness shingles – you get chicken pox when you're a little kid and you get it naturally and your body sticks it off in a corner, and then all it takes is a little bit of cancer, a little bit of Hodgkin's disease, a little bit of something that's wrong with you, or old age or whatever it is when your immune system starts to say, "Whoa, I'm not working quite as in balance as I was, I'm not working quite as well" – and that virus is allowed to come back out and play again and it wrecks havoc on the human body.

Well, if we do the same thing to our children's immune systems, however inadvertently and however unintentionally it may be, however that may happen, you have to start to say to yourself, "You know what? These kids are sicker than they've ever been. What have we done? What's different?"

AOA: And what is it? I take it it's the toxins or the metals that are tossing the immune system into some kind of turmoil?

Buckley: Right. And we're giving metals at the exact same time sometimes, depending on which vaccine schedule a practice opts to use. It's not just the ones we inject – it's not just mumps, measles, rubella and chickenpox – most children will develop somewhere in their first two years of life a roseola because that's what they do. It's  human herpesvirus 6, and they will have that illness. Sometimes you will never know they had it. But I will get a child who's 10 or 12 or 13 years old and find levels of antibodies that suggest they're just now having it or just had it recently, and that tells me they don't have that virus off in their recycle bin.

AOA: Where is it?

Buckley: God alone knows. When we get a kid in with autism we look at their viral levels and I'm just flabbergasted at how their bodies are still at war with viral illnesses. Now these are the ones I know how to test – there are a bazillion viruses out there. I don't know how it affects all of them, but I know that their immune system is disrupted, because I can measure and get evidence of that. And then I have to go to war with trying to restore some balance, some sort of equilibrium in their bodies.

AOA: Is there a place for immunization in our society and in our kids, and if so what would we need to do to get to a point where it's not, in your view, making things worse than it is for kids who are never vaccinated?

Buckley: Thimerosal was never in vaccines originally. We can go back to doing it that way. Yes, it's more expensive, but the cost of doing it that way is so infinitesimal compared to the cost of managing the consequences of unnecessary exposure that it becomes ridiculous really to contemplate doing it any other way.

And then there's aluminum. It is my understanding that we are capable of making vaccines that use calcium as an adjuvant.

We can make vaccines differently. It's not difficult to do. It will be expensive, but it will be much less expensive than managing a generation of very, very, very sick children when they grow up.

A mom says to me, "Why do I have to vaccinate my baby with Hepatitis B, which is a disease we get through sex and drugs." Why can we not rethink the order in which and the way in which we go about giving vaccines? Why do we need to use a one-size-fits-all thinking, because one size doesn't fit all.

Dan Olmsted is Editor of Age of Autism.

Tomorrow: Part 3

Comments

[Gayatri]

I wanted to clarify that it wasn't my intent to denigrate Dr. Buckley and all the other DANs out there helping our kids, if it did indeed come across that way on reading it a second time. I was commenting on homeopathy as a system of medicine understanding vaccinosis, versus mainstream medicine doctors who are still apparently clueless about the disorder and continue to blindly vaccinate the entire populace without discrimination.

Heard a pediatrician this morning claim that obesity in American kids was now at 19%, and there was no mention of the obesity link to undermethylation or even an attempt to take a look at hypothyroidism. The 12 year old child was now 200 lbs and began gaining weight at 7 years of age. Don't kids get vaccine boosters at 4-6 years, shouldn't it be the pediatrician who is supposed to make this connection? Or the collective AAP?

Nitpicking over nanomolecular concentrations when the evidence is out there to "see" -assuming you really do want to "see" it - seems redundant.

[Raymond Gallup]

This is an excellent article. Dr. Buckley is right on about everything she says about the dangers of vaccines.

One thing I can add is that if there is an adverse reaction to vaccines, further vaccination can lead to more damage.

Ray Gallup

[Heidi]

Thanks Dan and thanks Julie! For standing up and speaking out and trying to help right the wrong. I'm grateful.

[Dan Olmsted]

Dear Passionless ... Here's an example of a published study -- I found this 2006 write-up at speciation.net (nano is the same as parts per billion).
"Thimerosal, a mercury-containing organic in the past used as a preservative in many pediatric vaccines, can disrupt certain antigen presenting cells and may affect the immune response to external factors, reported investigators from the University of California at Davis. ...
"They found that at concentrations of 20 parts per billion, exposure of the dendritic cells to thimerosal altered the normal cross-talk between the calcium channels RyR12 and IP3R1, thereby 'garbling the normal signaling system between them.' In addition, exposure to the compound resulted in irregular secretion by the dendritic cells of the pro-inflammatory cytokine interleukin-6. When they ramped up thimerosal concentrations to 200 parts per billion, they found that it induced apoptosis of dendritic cells before they had fully matured, thereby preventing T-cell activation.
"The finding suggests that in addition to its known neurotoxic properties, ethylmercury may also be an immunotoxicant, the authors said."

[Gayatri]

Homeopathy is a 200 year old system of medicine and classical homeopaths are far ahead of the curve in their understanding of the inherent dangers of vaccines.

Here is an excerpt from David Little.

http://www.simillimum.com/education/little-library/case-management/pedh/article.php

"It has been noticed by homœopaths that vaccinations may lead to changes of personality, sleep patterns, eating patterns, bowel patterns and other alterations of natural cycles. Each vaccine has acute symptoms, latent symptoms and chronic symptoms. The acute symptoms are those that are mostly recorded by the orthodox school. They do not look for or wish to acknowledge the fact that immunization may produce latent states that create chronic organic pathology over the long term. When such states appear they view the pathology as a new independent disease, and do not see the connection between the distant cause (vaccination) and the recent events (new diseases). Each vaccine has the potential to produce an insidious syndrome of symptoms somewhat similar to the diseases from which they are made."

[passionlessDrone]

Hi Dan Olmsted -

"How can you show me in the published literature that says 20 to 100 nanomolar concentrations are all it takes to disrupt this balance, and fix it so it will not work, and give you a propensity to TH-2 immune system "

I'm curious if you, or Dr. Buckley, can provide a reference to this study. I'm a believer in biomed, but quotes like this need to be backed up.

Thanks!

- pD