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EMAILS FROM CDC AND FDA ON VACCINES AND MERCURY

Shell_game By Twyla Ramos

Has Mercury Really Been Removed from Vaccines?

Last month I emailed the CDC to ask this question:

From: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:19 AM
To: CDC Public Inquiry
Subject: mercury in vaccines

I understand that thimerosal is no longer used as a preservative in most vaccines, except for most flu shots and vaccines shipped to other countries.

But, I believe I heard someone say that mercury is still used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but it is removed and only "trace" amounts remain in the finished vaccines.

Can you confirm whether or not there is any mercury used in the manufacture of thimerosal-free vaccines?  If the above statement is true, how much is a "trace"?

Sincerely,

Twyla Ramos
concerned parent


I received the following response:

From: "CDC-INFO" <CDCINFO@cdc.gov>
To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: YBFW: Mercury in vaccines

Thank you for your inquiry to CDC-INFO.  In response to your request for information on trace amount of thimerosal in some vaccines in the United States, we are pleased to provide you with the following relevant information.

Thimerosal is an organic mercury compound. It works very well as a preservative. It has been used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930s.

Thimerosal is made up of about 49 percent ethylmercury. The other 51 percent is a chemical that contains sulfur.

There is no evidence that the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines can cause any serious harm. However, it may cause minor allergic reactions, such as redness and swelling where the shot was given.

In July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or removed from vaccines. They did this to be extra careful, not because there was proof that thimerosal is harmful.

Until 1999, several vaccines given to infants in the United States contained thimerosal. These included vaccines against:
* diphtheria,
* tetanus,
* pertussis (whooping cough),
* Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), and
* hepatitis B.

Today, some influenza (flu) vaccines and the Td (tetanus and diphtheria) vaccine still contain thimerosal. However, thimerosal-free flu vaccine is available for both children and adults.

None of the other vaccines used today in the United States to protect infants and toddlers against infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal still may be used in the early stages of making certain vaccines. However, it is removed through a purification process.  When this process is complete, only trace, or insignificant, amounts of thimerosal are left (less than 0.3 mcg) and these amounts have no biological effect.

For more information about mercury and vaccines (thimerosal), please visit the CDC website:
http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/concerns/thimerosal.htm

For more information about thimerosal content in some US vaccines, please visit the website:
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

Links provided to non-Federal organizations are provided solely as a service to our users. These links do not constitute an endorsement of these organizations or their programs by CDC or the Federal Government, and none should be inferred. CDC is not responsible for the content of the individual organization web pages found at these links.

Thank you for contacting CDC-INFO Contact Center. Please do not hesitate to call 1-800-CDC-INFO, e-mail cdcinfo@cdc.gov or visit http://www.cdc.gov if you have any additional questions.


I emailed them a follow-up question:

From:  Twyla Ramos

Sent:  11/9/2007 09:24:08 AM
To:  <cdcinfo@cdc.gov>
Subject:  Re: YBFW: Mercury in vaccines

Thank you for this info.  I have a follow-up question.  You said, "Thimerosal still may be used in the early stages of making certain vaccines. However, it is removed through a purification process."  Does any government agency monitor and test to ensure that this purification process is effective, and that the final product contains only "less than 0.3 mcg"? Or do the pharmaceutical companies have sole responsibility for the testing and monitoring of this?


The CDC responded:

From: "CDC-INFO" <CDCINFO@cdc.gov>
To:  Twyla Ramos
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Re: YBFW: Mercury in vaccines

Thank you for your inquiry to CDC-INFO.  In response to your follow-up request of information regarding monitoring the effectivity of the purification process of thimerosal in vaccines, please call the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) at 1-888-INFO-FDA. FDA is the federal agency that regulates vaccine licensure and manufacture.

You may also want to visit their website about thimerosal in vaccines at:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

Thank you for contacting CDC-INFO Contact Center. Please do not hesitate to call 1-800-CDC-INFO, e-mail cdcinfo@cdc.gov or visit http://www.cdc.gov if you have any additional questions. 


I contacted the FDA and received this response:

From: Hill, Lanessa
To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:14 AM
Subject: RE: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Good morning Mrs. Ramos.

Thank you for your inquiry to FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) regarding regulatory oversight of vaccines. CBER, one of six centers within FDA, is responsible for the regulation of biologically-derived products, including blood intended for transfusion, blood components and derivatives, vaccines and allergenic extracts, and cell, tissue and gene therapy products.
 
Because of the complex manufacturing process for most biological products, each lot undergoes thorough testing by the manufacturer. The manufacturer performs specific tests as specified in their license application. The manufacturer submits samples of each licensed vaccine lot and the results of their own tests for potency, safety, and sterility to the Agency. The manufacturer may not distribute a lot of the product into interstate commerce until CBER releases it. CBER will also test the samples provided by the manufacturers for potency, safety and purity.  All vaccines are subject to lot release. The lot release program is part of FDA's multi-part strategy that helps assure biological product safety by providing a quality control check on product specifications.

The FDA continues to oversee the production of vaccines after the vaccine and the manufacturing processes are approved, in order to ensure continuing safety. After licensure, monitoring of the product and of production activities, including periodic facility inspections, must continue as long as the manufacturer holds a license for the product.

I hope this is helpful.
Best regards.
Lanessa Hill
Public Affairs Specialist
Consumer Affairs Branch
Division of Communication and Consumer Affairs
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
This communication is consistent with 21 CFR 10.85 (k) and constitutes an informal communication that represents my best judgment at this time but does not constitute an advisory opinion, does not necessarily represent the formal position of FDA, and does not bind or otherwise obligate or commit the agency to the views expressed.

I replied:
From: Twyla Ramos

To: Hill, Lanessa
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Thank you so much for this information.  Do these tests for safety include tests of mercury content?  My understanding is that removal of thimerosal is voluntary, so would this mean that testing for mercury content is not part of the agreed upon tests? 

Specifically, in cases where thimerosal is used in the manufacturing process but is removed by a purification process, is mercury content part of the safety testing?


I received this response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Harley, Patricia

To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines
Mrs. Ramos:
Thank you for your inquiry to FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) regarding thimerosal in vaccines. Your email has been forwarded to my office for reply.
The Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) regulates vaccine products. Many of these are childhood vaccines that have contributed to a significant reduction of vaccine-preventable diseases. Vaccines, as with all products regulated by FDA, undergo a rigorous review of laboratory and clinical data to ensure the safety, efficacy, purity and potency of these products. Vaccines approved for marketing may also be required to undergo additional studies to further evaluate the vaccine and often to address specific questions about the vaccine's safety, effectiveness, or possible side effects.

The FDA continues to oversee the production of vaccines after the vaccine and the manufacturing processes are approved, in order to ensure continuing safety. After licensure, monitoring of the product and of production activities, including periodic facility inspections, must continue as long as the manufacturer holds a license for the product. If requested by the FDA, manufacturers are required to submit to the FDA the results of their own tests for potency, safety, and purity for each vaccine lot. They may also be required to submit samples of each vaccine lot to the FDA for testing. However, if the sponsor describes an alternative procedure which provides continued assurance of safety, purity and potency, CBER may determine that routine submission of lot release protocols (showing results of applicable tests) and samples is not necessary. Information on the Vaccine Product Approval Process is available on CBER's website at http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/vacappr.htm.
Information on Thimerosal in Vaccines is available on CBER's website at http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#toc

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to call me.
Sincerely,
Patricia H. Harley
Consumer Safety Officer
Food and Drug Administration
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Office of Communication, Training and Manufacturers Assistance
Division of Communication and Consumer Affairs
phone: 301-827-2000 or 1-800-835-4709
This communication is consistent with 21 CFR 10.85 (k) and constitutes an informal communication that represents my best judgment at this time but does not constitute an advisory opinion, does not necessarily represent the formal position of FDA, and does not bind or otherwise obligate or commit the agency to the views expressed.

I responded:

----- Original Message -----
From: Twyla Ramos

To: Harley, Patricia
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Thank you for this information on your overall procedures.  I still don't know the answer to my question:  In cases where thimerosal is used in the manufacturing process but is removed by a purification process, is mercury content part of the safety testing? 

Could you please tell me whether a testing process is in place to ensure that mercury has been successfully removed from vaccines, after thimerosal is used in the early stages of making those vaccines.

Thank you very much,

Twyla Ramos


I received the following response:

From: Harley, Patricia

To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:19 AM
Subject: RE: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Twyla Ramos:
You can contact the manufacturer for processing procedures. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call me.

Sincerely,
Patricia H. Harley
Consumer Safety Officer
Food and Drug Administration
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Office of Communication, Training and Manufacturers Assistance
Division of Communication and Consumer Affairs
phone: 301-827-2000 or 1-800-835-4709

I responded:
From: Twyla Ramos

To: Harley, Patricia
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

My question is not for the manufacturers.  My question is for the agencies that regulate the manufacturers.  I started with the CDC, and they referred me to the FDA.

The CDC says:  "Thimerosal still may be used in the early stages of making certain vaccines. However, it is removed through a purification process. When this process is complete, only trace, or insignificant, amounts of thimerosal are left (less than 0.3 mcg) and these amounts have no biological effect."

Are you saying that the FDA does not play a role in ensuring that the final product is either mercury-free or contains only a "trace" amount of mercury?  Is this left up to the manufacturers?

I understand (as you stated in your email) that the FDA has procedures in place to "ensure the safety, efficacy, purity and potency of these products" and that "manufacturers are required to submit to the FDA the results of their own tests for potency, safety, and purity for each vaccine lot. They may also required to submit samples of each vaccine lot to the FDA for testing."  Or an "alternative procedure" may be agreed upon.  What I am asking is whether testing of mercury content is a part of this process. 

Manufacturers are saying that they have a process in place to purify out the mercury.  Is the FDA verifying in any way that this is true?

I did try calling you Friday, but you were out of the office.

Ms. Harley responded:
From: Harley, Patricia

To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Please call me.
 
Sincerely,
Patricia H. Harley
Consumer Safety Officer
Food and Drug Administration
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Office of Communication, Training and Manufacturers Assistance
Division of Communication and Consumer Affairs
phone: 301-827-2000


So, I tried calling Ms. Harley again, and this time I reached her.  She continued to make general statements about validating the manufacturing process.   She said the following:

•     She does not know whether a company does a specific test.

•     They cannot check every single vaccine.  (Like, duh.)

•     There is a lot release requirement.  The company submits testing procedures and samples.   The FDA verifies that the product is safe, pure, potent, functioning.

•     She can't guarantee that there is a test for mercury.

•     She is not sure whether the FDA is measuring the mercury content.   They check the process.  "We have the understanding that this has been done, that the manufacturer has done it.  I doubt if any company would be trying to get away with that.   The consequences are major for any violations.  If the product does not conform to specifications it would be unlicensed product."

I really tried to get her to be more specific.  I gave the example of, if you gave a person a recipe to bake a cake, and you wanted to see if it came out well, wouldn't you taste the cake, and look at it to see if it is mushy or burned?   "The proof is in the pudding."  It's not enough for the person just to verify that they bought the right ingredients and measured them and set the oven at 350 degrees.   

She suggested that I check with state agencies.

So, in summary, neither the CDC nor the FDA could or would say that they are testing to be sure that the process of removing mercury from vaccines is working.

Why should they test for mercury?  They don't believe that thimerosal is harmful.  It is admittedly still being used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but then supposedly is being purified out.   If the purification process is not actually working, why should the CDC and the FDA care?  They don't believe thimerosal is harmful.

Yet, we know that even miniscule quantities of mercury are in fact harmful. 

My question is:  Is anyone out there testing today's vaccines for mercury?  Are the vaccines that are supposedly mercury-free really mercury-free?   How much mercury is actually in the vaccines which supposedly contain only a "trace" amount?

Do we trust the pharmaceutical companies to self-monitor on the issue of mercury content?

Supposedly mercury has been removed from vaccines, yet the autism rate is still high.  Possible explanations for this are:

•     Babies still receive an incredibly high number of vaccines, which include other potentially toxic and/or immune-system-disrupting ingredients such as aluminum and multiple live viruses.

•     There are many environmental pollutants, such as mercury from coal burning power plants, which are possible causes.

But perhaps we are overlooking another possible explanation:  Has mercury really been removed from vaccines?



Twyla Ramos and her husband have three children.  Their middle child, age 15, has both Autism and Williams Syndrome.  Twyla has a B.A. in English and works in the banking industry.  She serves on the board of the Foothill Autism Alliance, a nonprofit group providing support and information to the autism community.

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Call me simple but I have been chelating my kid for 5 years and he is eeking out the Mercury.
I cannot fathom how you would use it in processing and get this chemical known for locking in cells, to come right out. Of every batch.
They can't get it out of public water supplies.
I know that because I get a note from my water dept every month, saying it is impossible.
With no outright ban there is no risk of violating FDA or CDC standards.

As like all fantasies in America, Free is not Free and Zero hovers around 1.25 micrograms.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/95/PDF/095-0409.pdf

http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/MercuryExempt/Thimerosal_exemption010107.pdf

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-3-4/38899.html

Beware of anyone from the government who wants to talk to you on the phone. This means that either they are a whistleblower who wants to give you inside information by which to protect yourself and is non-confirmable because it is He Said/She Said, or they don't want anything in writing (emails are forever) that might be held against them.

Give up any expectation that the FDA or ANY branch of the government is working for you or your best interests. THEY ARE NOT. The FDA routinely gives blank paper to industry on which to draft rules for their own regulation. The FDA is funded by industry to 'fast track' drugs for market.

The question they distract you with is over particular ingredients of vaccines when the only question is what recent Third Party double blind studies demonstrate efficacy or safety for a systematic poisoning of the population that is not necessary with proper sanitation, hygiene and nutrition.

If you ask the wrong questions - it doesn't matter what the answer is.

Thank you for your work here. As a mother and concerned adult, I find that there are no physicians who support no vaccinations in North Carolina nor Virginia. I'm not only distressed. This is to mean that unless you give in and allow the drug companies and our government to inject toxic vaccines there is no where to take our children for regular care unless it is an ER visit. Any help is more than appreciated, if you know of anything.

Blessings and keep up the great work!

Twyla this means that when the CDC and the FDA claim that the mercury in the vaccines is out they are in effect LYING. Please tell me why we are not even remotely upset about this? Isn't lying under oath called perjury and you can go to jail for it? So should we wait for them to own up and take the blame for it or are they going to wait for us to take them to court? Do we give them about 10 days to come clean or is that too much? Let's see now, today is January 12th, 2008.

Here is a link to the tests for mercury in vaccines done by HAPI, as mentioned in the very first comment below: http://www.hapihealth.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=33

Here is a quote from an 8/13/2006 article by Evelyn Pringle on the "Best Syndication" web site. http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=081306_government_investigation_vaccines.htm

"To see if vaccines were indeed thimerosal free, last year the group, Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI), sent four vials of different vaccines to be tested for mercury content to Doctor's Data, an independent lab, which specializes in heavy metal testing.

"The tests found that all four contained mercury, despite the claim by 2 companies that their vaccines were completely mercury-free. According to HAPI, all four vaccines also contained aluminum which greatly increases the toxicity of mercury for causing neuronal death in the brain.

"In fact, during further investigation, HAPI discovered that mercury-based thimerosal was still being used during the production process for most vaccines. The drug makers claim that after production, they filter the preservative out of the final vaccines.

"However, heavy metal expert, Dr Boyd Haley, PhD, the Chemistry Department Chair at the University of Kentucky, told HAPI that its not possible to remove all of the thimerosal because mercury binds to the antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be filtered out completely.

"Experts says, a drastic decline in autism will not be seen due to the fact that the drug makers misled the public about when thimerosal was actually eliminated from vaccines. Because the FDA has never ordered a recall of the vaccines previously manufactured and shipped all over the country, many mercury-laced vaccines remained in the inventories of health care facilities and some had an expiration date as late as September, 2005." (This whole article is a good one!)

Thanks Twyla for staying on these bureaucrats to get to the truth, which is that vaccines still contain thimerosol in which ethyl mercury binds to the protein antigens within the vaccine. This is the reason why it cannot be eliminated entirely in the latter stages of production. It is used from start to finish and supposedly removed for 'thimerosol' or 'preservative-free' shots, the latter term used more frequently. Dawn of HAPI (Health Advocacy for the Public Interest) received test results from a certified, highly-reputable independent lab which analyzed 4 separate lots of 'thimerosol-free' labeled vaccines. Miniscule to large amounts of thimerosol were still found. Check out Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, considered one of the world's top immunogeneticists for his research on vaccine dangers. He conducted a 10-year study which found if one has 5 consecutive flu shots, they increase their risk by 10x of developing Alzheimer's. But you have to realize Alzheimer's, Autism, SIDS, MS, Cancer, are all businesses making big bucks and are not about to lose their funding if a 'cure' is found. Researchers who inadvertently come upon information that disproves their original goal are hung out to dry by their colleagues and superiors. They are threatened w/job loss, lack of credibility, etc. Also google search Harrison Coulter, who co-wrote 'A Shot in the Dark' w/Barbara Loe Fisher,founder of NVIC (Nat'l Vaccine Info Center) for his work on vaccine-induced social violence and educational failure. Fascinating!

Here's a note from same woman Patricia Harley answering a question about thimerosal. Notice how she states that all thimerosal is out of vaccines manufactured for the US market - she does not mention trace amounts which are in many vaccines if not most vaccines.

FDA's review revealed no evidence of harm caused by thimerosal as found in vaccines, except for local hypersensitivity reactions. Furthermore, since 2001, thimerosal used as a preservative has been removed from all vaccines manufactured for the US market and routinely administered to children 6 years and younger (with the exception, as noted above, of the inactivated influenza vaccines for which thimerosal-preservative containing and preservative free formulations exist). Moreover, much progress has been made in reducing or removing thimerosal from vaccines administered to older children and adults. Recent epidemiological studies conducted to examine thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism consistently provided evidence of no association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, despite the fact that these studies utilized different methods and examined different populations (in Sweden, Denmark, the United States, and the United Kingdom). FDA recognizes and supports the goal of reducing human exposure to mercury from all sources, and the desirability of ensuring the highest possible level of public confidence in the safety of vaccines. Sincerely, Patricia H. Harley Consumer Safety Officer

Where have all the Pullitzer-supported undercover Nellie Bly social reforming journalists gone these days? Not working undercover at the FDA, CDC, and pharmaceutical manufacturing plants for sure.

I would submit that those working for the FDA are paid by the pharmaceutical industry would not be inclined to require detailed information and would, therefor, be unable to answer your specific questions. What they do not know cannot harm the pharmaceutical companies from which they are paid handsomely.

twyla,

what good work, especially keeping your cool with these people.

what i would like to note, that i didn't see addressed, is that mercury is only one aspect of the vaccine question. from readings i have been doing, the very idea of vaccination is questionable. the idea that injecting a foreign protein directly into the blood stream, bypassing several steps of the body normal immune response, is in itself a frightening thought. some of the additives are there specifically to ensure cellular invasion and if it occurs in the brain then we have the neurological complications that often result in autism, add, amongst other effects. what about arsenic and lead that are in the vaccines?

do people know that in 2004 a Dr. David Graham, assoc director of science in the FDA's Office of Drug Safety testified to the Senate that the FDA was incapable of protecting the public and that dangerous drugs were being sold. although the senate was investigating statin drugs the comment was a generic one that would apply to all drugs being approved. major editors of the JAMA in 2004 also noted the faulty fda monitoring system due to voluntary reports of adverse effects and reliance on the drug manufacturers' self-reporting. they noted it was like having the fox watching the hen house. Graham took a big hit by the FDA for his candid reporting and the Senate took specific action to censure the FDA as a protection of Graham.

i like the idea of developing some independent testing of vaccines for mercury content. i think that would not be that difficult to do. however, as a word of caution, there might be some thought about counterpressure from the drug companies or the fda to interfere with the testing labs or the procurement of the vaccines to be tested once they get wind of the project. it is not beyond their ability to try and silence any opposition.

The FDA lied! They assured us that all vaccines no longer had Thimerosal. Even trace amounts of Thimerosal can cause side effects. Lets put a small amount of thimerosal into the FDA's coffee and see of it makes a difference in taste.

I wonder if anyone here could give me some insight. When my son was 6 months old I asked the pediatrician to test his Ig's for allergic reactions. I told him I believed his constant sinusitis, ear infections and thrush were due to an allergic reaction. Well, he ordered an Ig E,A and G blood panel. The Ig E and G came out somewhat normal but the Ig A came back in negative numbers. The doctor told me that was fine because my son was still developing his immune system, so he dismissed the possibility of allergic reactions or immune system problems.

Anyhow I followed my gut instinct and kept milk, soy and wheat protein of his diet. My boy improved from his gastrointestinal, eczema, sinus, thrush and ear infections quite some until I reintroduced these proteins in his diet at 14 months and even worse a couple weeks after getting his MMR shot. By 23 months he had a confirmed diagnosis of autism. Now he's 3 yrs old and improved a whole lot with gfcf, probiotics, supplementation, and lately even more with sensory integration therapy.

To conclude, I believe I was on the right track from the begginning being concerned about the possibility of allergic reactions and an immune system disorder. But a closed-minded doctor (like most are) did not want to assess the origin of the symptoms, only hide the symptoms. Blood Ig A's on the negative numbers... I did not think it was right. Do you think so? Where can I find out what is the normal range of blood Ig's for a 6-month-old?

I would love to help out with getting some vaccinations tested to see the mercury content.. Especially since the CDC and the FDA are not doing it for us (or at least disclosing it)

It’s ludicrous for anyone to assume that manufacturers are going to use the “honor system” on something that could cost them billions in fines, etc.

Twyla -- Sorry for the confusion. This WAS NOT directed at you or anyone in our community. It was directed towards our "buddies" at the FDA. Sorry I didn't make that clear when I wrote it.

Agreed about the fact that we can't "assume" the thimerosal has been reduced just cuz the manufacturer says so (the whole Boy Scout Honor thingy :)

Several years ago, this whole issue came up in a thread. I believe Dawn at HAPI had done some preliminary testing and we (the thread) were trying to figure out how to continue the process....

I can't remember what the end result was....maybe someone else remembers???

Kelli Ann -
I certainly was not expressing any confidence in whatever testing might be taking place -- whether by the FDA or pharma companies. I was just saying that we don't know. Either the FDA is not testing for mercury at all, or they are doing some (presumably inadequate) testing which they would prefer to keep secret.

Clearly the CDC and FDA are bulshitting us on this issue. They are NOT our friends who would say, "Yes, we understand the importance of removing mercury from vaccines and we can assure you that it has been done."

The parallels between autism and mercury poisoning are so compelling, as spelled out in David Kirby's book "Evidence of Harm" and in the paper "Autism, a Novel Form of Mercury Poisoning". Yet many people today are saying, "Well, thimerosal has been removed from vaccines but the autism rate is still high, so guess it wasn't the thimerosal."

Of course, there are other sources of mercury in the environment, and people are still receiving flu shots containing thimerosal, and there is other bad stuff in vaccines, and babies continue to receive more and more vaccines on the mandated schedule. But it is also very important to answer the question of whether the vaccines which are supposedly "thimerosal free" or contain only "trace amounts" of thimerosal are really so.

I just don't know how to do that. But perhaps some of our readers who work in fields related to medicine or toxicology do. And I am wondering whether anyone on our side of the fence has already performed such testing.

I didn't mean to imply that the "boy scout honor" thing would work -- I was just expressing appreciation for your sarcasm.

Happy and Hopeful New Year to all!

Twyla

I think the previous poster has the right idea-Order some vaccines and get some testing done! Great article-very informative and scary all at the same time!

Like "Mr. Anonymous", I too was thinking that it is possible that the FDA is checking for mercury, but that they don't want to say so because:
1 - That would give the appearance of admitting that thimerosal is bad, and/or
2 - They fear our next question would be to ask for the test results.

Twyla,

I’d have a tendency to agree with this IF it were the FDA who was collecting the samples and running their OWN INDEPENDENT tests.

As it stands right now, it’s a lot like a box of chocolates – take a bit out of each one and if you don’t like it, heck, just put it back until you find the one you like.

I heard that during the manufacturing process, they actually CHELATE the mercury back out. I think that’s the “purification process” they were talking about in your e-mails. Interesting that they didn’t use that term, isn’t it?

Plus, if they have this HUGE vat and the mercury settles, wouldn’t the “SAMPLES” (blink, blink) from the top contain less mercury than the ones from the bottom?

It’s ludicrous for anyone to assume that manufacturers are going to use the “honor system” on something that could cost them billions in fines, etc.

I view all vaccines with suspicion whether they have thimerosal (mercury) in them or not or trace amounts.
Our son, Eric and others were put over the edge with the MMR vaccine and thimerosal is not listed as an ingredient. Our son tested positive for myelin basic protein antibodies and elevated measles titer antibodies in the blood (indicating the measles virus was abnormally high from the vaccine).

My wife, Helen got the rubella vaccine in the hospital while Eric was there. Like the MMR vaccine it is a live virus vaccine, so Eric received the MMR 14 months after birth after being exposed to the live virus of the rubella vaccine in the hospital.
In 1992-1993, Eric received 3 hepatitis B vaccines that contributed more vaccine damage and also contributed to Eric's aggressions.

I know of a case of a child receiving just the hepatitis B vaccine and regressing into autism. There are 200,000+ cases of adverse reactions to vaccines in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) kept by the FDA and CDC. In my mind no vaccine is safe if it can create an adverse reaction and can cause autism. If a child is damaged by a vaccine and gets more vaccines they are damaged further.

The US Constitution guarantees our God-given freedoms. Unfortunately, in the USA that is being violated with various state mandates on vaccines. The abomination of the slave trade was abolished years ago. Unfortunately, we have a new slave trade in the USA under the guise of state mandated vaccines. Parents are not allowed to make medical decisions that effect their families, only state public health authorities are. When something goes wrong like an adverse reaction to vaccines, then families only are stuck with the responsibility.

Ray Gallup
highnoon@gti.net
http://www.vaproject.org/

AMAZING Twyla!! Thank you!

Like "Mr. Anonymous", I too was thinking that it is possible that the FDA is checking for mercury, but that they don't want to say so because:
1 - That would give the appearance of admitting that thimerosal is bad, and/or
2 - They fear our next question would be to ask for the test results.

At any rate, one thing for sure is that there is no transparency -- just doublespeak. It certainly seems that someone in our community should be checking vaccines for mercury. I'm just a mom who reads stuff and writes occasional emails, so I truly don't know how or where or by whom, or even whether this has already been done?

Kelli Ann, good idea about the "Boy Scout's Honor"!

The problem for the CDC and FDA is that if they acknowledge that they are infact testing these vaccines to ensure they only have trace amounts then those testing results would be subjest to FOIA requests. Notice that they did not explicitly state that they DID NOT test the vaccines for mercury levels. Perhaps they are not testing for mercury levels but testing for thimerosal levels. It might be work a FOIA request...

Great job Twyla! The comment about "huge violations" is amazing.

Doctors can order vaccine vials directly from distributors. For example:
Daptacel (DTaP) Thimero Free SDV Ped 0.5ml 10/Bx (5461136)
sanofi pasteur (4928128610)

1box @ $324.49
10box@ $322.49 per box
20box @ $318.39 per box

If you want to raise money to purchase vaccines and then have them tested, I would be glad to do the purchasing. If these vials have high amounts of mercury...or even more than on the package insert, I know a BIG SHOT atty in DC who would take on this case. In fact, he is looking for a way to get at Merck....and take them out about the vaccine manufacturing.

To do it right (ie get enough vaccines to make it significant) and lab fees, I'm estimating it would cost between $10-20,000. BUT, if this pans out, it would cost them BILLIONS....and the FDA would, once again, have egg all over it.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. You can email me at info@drtenpenny.com

Sherri Tenpenny, DO
Cleveland, Ohio

Twyla – You Rock!

In a nutshell, the crux of the problem:

CDC: There is no evidence that the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines can cause any serious HARM.

FDA: The manufacturer submits samples of each licensed vaccine lot and the results of their own tests for potency, SAFETY, and sterility to the Agency.

CBER will also test the samples provided by the manufacturers for potency, SAFETY and purity.

The FDA continues to oversee the production of vaccines after the vaccine and the manufacturing processes are approved, in order to ensure continuing SAFETY.

First Point: Someone from the FDA may want to send a copy of the regulation over to the CDC:

The law for the regulation of drugs including vaccines and other biological preparations classified as drugs, explicitly require that all drugs (as the term is defined in 21 U.S.C. Section 321(g)(1)13, including any component used in a drug [21 U.S.C. Section 321(g)(1)(D) must be SAFE (based on the definition of SAFE in 21 U.S.C. Section 321(u)14) and effective in human and animals.

Second Point: Thee ultimate form of stupidity -- Relying on MANUFACTURER for SAMPLES and asking them for the RESULTS OF THEIR OWN TESTS!!!

Gosh. I hope the FDA got them to give ‘em the Boy Scout’s Honor just to make double sure everything’s on the “up and up.”

Nice Work!

I suggest the following path forward.

Setup a program (under some non-profit) that acts a sort of Vaccine Bank. Similar to a tissue bank, the program would bank away a vaccines for future testing by independent researchers. The program would market to doctors office to get the doctors to donate the soon to be expired vaccines to the vaccine bank in exchange for a tax deduction of the fair market value of the vaccine. Most doctors offices don't pay for their vaccines as the local county health dept provides them. When the the doctors offices have expired vaccines they send them back to the health department. Therefore, if the doctors get the vaccines for free and then donate them for tax deduction their would be some motivation for the doctors to make the donations.

Great work Twyla,it is truly amazing how little the government does to insure that mandatory vaccines are safe!!!!!!!!!


Richard

Awhile back, I asked Andy Cutler, PHD Chemical Engineering how he thought the manufactures were removing the mercury from the vaccines. I have also asked a PHD who works at Wyeth developing vaccines. I never got any answers and that has always scared me.

Outstanding Twyla! Keep those e-mails coming! Next steps? Sounds like it's time to do a couple things: Shall we collect a few funds together and have an independant lab take a look-see at those thimerosal free vaccines? (I recall HAPI did this a few years back and found that 3 of 5 "thimerosal free" vaccines actually contained thimerosal.) Perhaps check the content of those "25 mcg flu shots" and see if it's REALLY 25 mcg's? Then, let's ask the vaccine manufacturers to provide their independant analysis of each lot, and explain their testing procedures? I think that falls under public disclosure?

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